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gomito#10 said:
Yeah people never lie about finances, just sayinh
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Higher Sales=Higher Tax

People lie about financial statements for basically two reasons either increase their expenses or decrease their profits.There are other cases aswell but they're unrelated with sales numbers..Thus, in financial statements pretending that you sold more units than your actual numbers is a stupid move which also has no benefit..
 
Matty_17 said:
no, i was pointing out how much PC sales make.

out of 13million Konami games sold in 1 year, PC equals 1% of that... even the PS2 is higher at 3%
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Ohh ı got it..I think if we add Pirated Pes 13 numbers to total sales numbers, that could be 10 millions + ..
 
Proevolone said:
You're missing the point. I'm not saying I want to play through balls all the time! I'm saying it's not realistic when your attackers constantly run ten yards past the offside trap, often carrying their marker with them.

Look at the video I posted. That does NOT happen in football.

In real life, attackers are mindful of the offside line and when they're caught they try to jump back onside instead of running all the way to the goalmouth. And the defenders are also aware of the defense line and don't just keep running with their marker to the corner flag when they see the other defenders trying to hold a line. When attackers are caught offside it's because the defenders executed the trap well or the forward mistimed his run ... not because he just put his head down and kept running toward the adboards!
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I saw the video again, I think your massively overreacting. He took a while to get back onside walking back which can be very annoying, but your didn't allude to this, instead your thinking players should know to the split second when they are offside and track back.

This isn't about "balance". This is a lack of positional awareness for AI and we tried for months in the modding thread to come up with patches to fix it.
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Why? I have not had issues with players running offside and spiriting in the six yard box standing there at all. The bigger issue is when your caught offside by 1mm or where the line shows your dead level, which is rather annoying playing vs a team with a high line or like I said, the players taking forever to get back onside.

There is room for improvement but I don't think you shown this point well.
 
Guys i read in some sites that the PES 2014 wont be next gen...

And the FIFA 14 will be next gen...

I watched PES 2014 which isn't next gen and FIFA 14 next gen and i think that the PES 2014 graphics are 10 times better than FIFA 14...

So what the hell is next-gen game?
 
Torres_Liverpool said:
Guys i read in some sites that the PES 2014 wont be next gen...

And the FIFA 14 will be next gen...

I watched PES 2014 which isn't next gen and FIFA 14 next gen and i think that the PES 2014 graphics are 10 times better than FIFA 14...

So what the hell is next-gen game?
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PES 2014 is only for current gen. It is assumed that PES 2015 will be on next-gen.
 
Wow where have you have you been mate...... :SHOCK:
But yeah... FIFA will be released on the PS3/Xbox360, PC and PS4/Xbox1.... PES will "Only" be on PS3/Xbox 360 and PC!!! :))
 
What I want to say is that I disagree with the term next gen games..

I agree with term next or new consoles...

If the PES released on the new consoles would be different?
 
Torres_Liverpool said:
What I want to say is that I disagree with the term next gen games..

I agree with term next or new consoles...

If the PES released on the new consoles would be different?
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To some degree yes, because you would have to adapt to a new system. But also no, because they are using a new engine (FOX Engine) to release PES 2014 on current gen and this engine is already on next-gen consoles.
 
Torres_Liverpool said:
Guys i read in some sites that the PES 2014 wont be next gen...

And the FIFA 14 will be next gen...

I watched PES 2014 which isn't next gen and FIFA 14 next gen and i think that the PES 2014 graphics are 10 times better than FIFA 14...

So what the hell is next-gen game?
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klashman69 said:
I saw the video again, I think your massively overreacting. He took a while to get back onside walking back which can be very annoying, but your didn't allude to this, instead your thinking players should know to the split second when they are offside and track back.

Why? I have not had issues with players running offside and spiriting in the six yard box standing there at all. The bigger issue is when your caught offside by 1mm or where the line shows your dead level, which is rather annoying playing vs a team with a high line or like I said, the players taking forever to get back onside.

There is room for improvement but I don't think you shown this point well.
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Complete nonsense. You're not understanding the point and wasting my time. If you don't see this flaw or don't have a problem with it, I really have to question your understanding of the sport.

Did you ever visit the modding board? We spent months with Yair and Nesa trying to fix the defense-line and offside runs that I'm talking about here. So don't act like I'm the only one pointing this out.

I'm not saying players should never be offside; I'm saying in football the players don't just put their head down and keep running for the adboards without checking to see the defense line. Offsides happen in real life when the defense plays the trap well or because the forwards mistime their run in relation to the pass, not because the attacker has run to the six-yard-box while the defense line is near the edge of the penalty area!

In football when a player has the ball outside the box, the attackers try to position themselves near the defense line to make timely runs or receive a pass or one-two. They don't just run toward the goalmouth!

This happens way too often in PES 13 and plenty of knowledgeable players complained about it here. If you really can't see how ridiculous and unrealistic this is, I can't help you.
 
Routinely in recent PES titles, you see players who aren't simply straying offside, but who are clearly MILES offside and have been for the duration of the attack in question. It's not a case of them not reacting the split second they are offside; it's a case of them completely forgetting the offside rule exists, and, from a position where they're looking down the line and should be able to see they're 4 yards offside, proceeding to run forward to maintain the gap between them and the backline.

There's plenty of room in football games for an attacker to have poor intelligence or be careless about the offside rule/slow to get back, without taking things to ludicrous and artificial extremes. It's important now that PES is looking to grow up, that the more absurd 'techniques' used as a quick and easy way to create individuality or balance the play are cast out together with the old-gen tech.
 
Matty_17 said:
next gen = next generation of consoles

pes 2014 is not a next generation game

fifa 2014 is
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And yet, PES 14 looks so much better.

I hate this whole idea of generations either way - basically gaming gets stuck in a timewarp for six years at a time? It's daft.
 
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romagnoli said:
Routinely in recent PES titles, you see players who aren't simply straying offside, but who are clearly MILES offside and have been for the duration of the attack in question. It's not a case of them not reacting the split second they are offside; it's a case of them completely forgetting the offside rule exists, and, from a position where they're looking down the line and should be able to see they're 4 yards offside, proceeding to run forward to maintain the gap between them and the backline.

There's plenty of room in football games for an attacker to have poor intelligence or be careless about the offside rule/slow to get back, without taking things to ludicrous and artificial extremes. It's important now that PES is looking to grow up, that the more absurd 'techniques' used as a quick and easy way to create individuality or balance the play are cast out together with the old-gen tech.
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what i really hope the new game addresses is the full back bug from all PES games this gen where the right or left back will stay 10 yards behind everyone else in the defensive line and thus play all attackers onside for the tru ball, its really bad from what i can remember when playin the ai on a harder difficulty level and always goes in their favour:RANT:
 
Proevolone said:
Complete nonsense. You're not understanding the point and wasting my time. If you don't see this flaw or don't have a problem with it, I really have to question your understanding of the sport.

Did you ever visit the modding board? We spent months with Yair and Nesa trying to fix the defense-line and offside runs that I'm talking about here. So don't act like I'm the only one pointing this out.

I'm not saying players should never be offside; I'm saying in football the players don't just put their head down and keep running for the adboards without checking to see the defense line. Offsides happen in real life when the defense plays the trap well or because the forwards mistime their run in relation to the pass, not because the attacker has run to the six-yard-box while the defense line is near the edge of the penalty area!
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Why are you so hostile?

You just haven't explained your point well at all is what I'm saying. How far do the players run on without checking exactly on average on the game? The example you showed didn't look nearly as bad as you made out it to be.

I feel offside awareness for Attackers has much room for improvement, adding in awareness so players look at the lines before they run and more curved and more dynamic paced runs from players.

but it's not gamebreaking in its current state, I'm sorry.

In football when a player has the ball outside the box, the attackers try to position themselves near the defense line to make timely runs or receive a pass or one-two. They don't just run toward the goalmouth!

This happens way too often in PES 13 and plenty of knowledgeable players complained about it here. If you really can't see how ridiculous and unrealistic this is, I can't help you.
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How many times have I said here is room for improvement! I don't have to say I 100% agree or do +1 ups, just because I feel your overreacting doesn't mean I'm attacking you as a person? Are you stressed or something? really, can I not just have a discussion without someone getting so defensive?

This is exactly my point about overreacting, you find something you see its odd and put too much emphasis on seeing it in the way you think should be correct, and forget about the rest of the game entirely.

I guarantee you PES 2014, 2015, hell 2030 will have aspects which will be off or not programmed to the optimised level, we can obsess over the instance, or lose sight of the rest of the game. For me something which is more of a gamebreaker than this is the crossing, its good, I like it but in general, just too accurate for me and the CPU. You don't see enough crappy, under or over hit crosses.

All that negative energy on something which wasn't a game-breaker in the first place!

Ironic in the the gameplay optimization and PES global tweaks along with tactics threads we all know the effects with tactics and defensive lines play, from what I have seen I'm assuming this happens most when playing teams which have Quick Counter (high line) setup as their strategy.

Maybe I'm not seeing this because I always edit all the CPU tactics so their defensive lines are always varying so one set way of playing isn't happening over and over again.

Why all this hostility to other people online who don't agree with you. What the fuck is wrong with this world. Really don't understand why when you just want to discuss something nice and friendly they get so annoyed.
 
Matty_17 said:
it's a label used to define something. whats so daft about it?
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I don't want to turn this into PC v consoles, so I won't elaborate. I'm sure you can figure the rest out. ;)

Besides which, I didn't say the 'label' is daft; no, the fact that gaming gets stuck in one place for six years is daft.
 
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romagnoli said:
Routinely in recent PES titles, you see players who aren't simply straying offside, but who are clearly MILES offside and have been for the duration of the attack in question. It's not a case of them not reacting the split second they are offside; it's a case of them completely forgetting the offside rule exists, and, from a position where they're looking down the line and should be able to see they're 4 yards offside, proceeding to run forward to maintain the gap between them and the backline.
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I know, Proevolone just didn't explain that well at all and when overboard, I said the bigger issue in the video for me was the player walking back onside when the ball is live on his side of the pitch, lack of urgency and awareness to stay onside and participate in the attack.

There's plenty of room in football games for an attacker to have poor intelligence or be careless about the offside rule/slow to get back, without taking things to ludicrous and artificial extremes. It's important now that PES is looking to grow up, that the more absurd 'techniques' used as a quick and easy way to create individuality or balance the play are cast out together with the old-gen tech.
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Paced runs and more dynamic off the ball running system would help since players wont be running at full velocity, making them stop, take time to turn around. Programming and animations showing players looking across the line and jogging/sprinting at various speeds on their toes looking the time the run right.

That will help them in turn of understating their offside and rejoining the play asap.

You can see on PES now with player runs, players just focus on their sprint and charge up the pitch.

However, King Thierry Henry used to regularly stand extremely far offside on purpose at times, it was to play with center backs mind into simply forgetting about him in the duration of the build up, to give himself space free of his marker.

goalgerd said:
what i really hope the new game addresses is the full back bug from all PES games this gen where the right or left back will stay 10 yards behind everyone else in the defensive line and thus play all attackers onside for the tru ball, its really bad from what i can remember when playin the ai on a harder difficulty level and always goes in their favour:RANT:
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I agree.

It happens a lot in real life though:

I think this happens because most fullbacks have a rather low defensive rating.

I noticed when playing with Some of the teams I'm creating for the World Cup patch that full backs where better defensively in yesteryear, mainly because it wasn't obligatory like nor for full backs all to bomb forward so much. so they tackle more naturally and position themselves far better.

A lot of the rubbish defending we see really just comes from the low ratings in general for defenders, I played a few times with a France 2002 team with Desailly/Lizurazu etc... they very solid and organized because of high ratings.

I feel the balance isn't right, the full backs do this far too much, every player concedes goal like this which just annoy you because you can't do anything about it.
 
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The Doctor76 said:
I don't want to turn this into PC v consoles, so I won't elaborate. I'm sure you can figure the rest out. ;)

Besides which, I didn't say the 'label' is daft; no, the fact that gaming gets stuck in one place for six years is daft.
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gaming doesnt get stuck in anything, what are you talking about

generation = next iteration of console hardware

there is nothing metaphysical about this. its just a term used to define something
 
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