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klashman69 said:
but it's not gamebreaking in its current state, I'm sorry.

...All that negative energy on something which wasn't a game-breaker in the first place!
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So your attacker running 15 yards past the offside line all the time and just staying there even when you're facing him and looking to make a pass does not make it a game breaker for you? This takes a crap all over the simulation aspect of the game. If a footballer had such poor positional awareness more than a couple of times in a match he'd be substituted, and if he did it two matches in a row he'd be released!

You can talk about negative energy all you like, but after reading this stuff I can't take you seriously as a knowledgeable fan of the sport.
 
romagnoli said:
Routinely in recent PES titles, you see players who aren't simply straying offside, but who are clearly MILES offside and have been for the duration of the attack in question. It's not a case of them not reacting the split second they are offside; it's a case of them completely forgetting the offside rule exists, and, from a position where they're looking down the line and should be able to see they're 4 yards offside, proceeding to run forward to maintain the gap between them and the backline.

There's plenty of room in football games for an attacker to have poor intelligence or be careless about the offside rule/slow to get back, without taking things to ludicrous and artificial extremes. It's important now that PES is looking to grow up, that the more absurd 'techniques' used as a quick and easy way to create individuality or balance the play are cast out together with the old-gen tech.
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!
 
The Doctor76 said:
Can't agree with that; for me, since Fifa went 'NG' on the PC, the game has been significantly better than the PES equivalents. Now of course, Fifa 14 on PC will be using the same old engine, so PES 14 should be a much better game.
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i don't play the games on PC but as for consoles we would have to agree to disagree on that.
does it really make that big a difference if you play a FIFA game on PC or console?
cause on console i think its crap.
 
Proevolone said:
So your attacker running 15 yards past the offside line all the time and just staying there even when you're facing him and looking to make a pass does not make it a game breaker for you?
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Your talking like a sensationalist now. They run, 4-5 yards offside (not 15 :CONFUSE:) since like I said, they just sprint forward with no awareness of the trap itself, then stop and take forever to get back onside. They certainly don't do that all the time either, every single attack either.

You say your in the modding .exe thread, maybe you have made it worse or something but its no way as bad as you explain.

Look at what I'm saying, its no different to what you say, I'm just not going, way, way over the top.

You can talk about negative energy all you like, but after reading this stuff I can't take you seriously as a knowledgeable fan of the sport.
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You need to calm down and stop making an argument when there doesn't need to be one.

I will talk about negative energy because your biting at people because you have got so emotionally annoyed over something which isn't that big of an issue.

Why should I take you seriously if you behave so aggressively for no reason? Why should anyone take you seriously. You don't even explain things properly. You spoke as if your doing the same attack, over an over again. rather than explain in general the issue with players just running forward, forgetting everything being 5 yards offside and take ages to get back in sync with the play.

If you has explained the issue properly we can avoid this happening.

If that is not negative energy, I don't know what is.

You seem to have forgotten this a computer game This a program, responding to commands, there will be stupidness, because well it;s a computer, not organic conscious organism which can perceive and think, no, they will be
 
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klashman69 said:
They run, 4-5 yards offside (not 15 :CONFUSE:)
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OK! Let's say 4-5 yards. It's still way offside and the player makes too late an attempt to get back onside, which effectively sabotages the attack. How is this not a game-breaker when it happens so often?

since like I said, they just sprint forward with no awareness of the trap itself, then stop and take forever to get back onside.
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Which is what I said originally and you tried to argue for no reason! That's why you annoy me. If you acknowledge this, then you should also acknowledge how unrealistic and stupid it and how much it ruins the simulation experience. End of story.

This is my last post wasting time on this pointless exchange.
 
Proevolone said:
OK! Let's say 4-5 yards. It's still way offside and the player makes too late an attempt to get back onside, which effectively sabotages the attack. How is this not a game-breaker when it happens so often?

Which is what I said originally and you tried to argue for no reason! That's why you annoy me. If you acknowledge this, then you should also acknowledge how unrealistic and stupid it and how much it ruins the simulation experience. End of story.

This is my last post wasting time on this pointless exchange.
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Why are you being a dick?
 
gomito#10 said:
Why are you being a dick?
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Who the heck needs next gen when you have a gaming PC... That's why PES is going to rock...

Next gen is just a pretend label to market/sell outdated (truth be told) hardware to console fanboys, nothing more.
 
profit90 said:
Who the heck needs next gen when you have a gaming PC... That's why PES is going to rock...

Next gen is just a pretend label to market/sell outdated (truth be told) hardware to console fanboys, nothing more.
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In my opinion, next gen console's gpu is pretty decent for the price it'll be sold.
 
Realistic? Where? In the league of amazon forest? :) (*C Joey Barton) I haven't seen these nets anywhere in europe. About liga do brasil I don't care - I don't watch it, I don't enjoy it. Football without tactic doesn't make sense anymore at all.
If they put this kind of nets as option, that we are able to choose before the game - I totally support this idea.
If that might be the only net we have in game - I totally decline.
 
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goalgerd said:
what i really hope the new game addresses is the full back bug from all PES games this gen where the right or left back will stay 10 yards behind everyone else in the defensive line and thus play all attackers onside for the tru ball, its really bad from what i can remember when playin the ai on a harder difficulty level and always goes in their favour:RANT:
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That happens in PES?

Interestingly, there's a similar thing in FIFA where the right-back very often takes up a position about 15 yards behind the rest of the back line when the opposition has a goal kick. It even happens in multi-player online matches. An unbelievably glaring bug that I'm amazed has been fixed by patch.

Looks like EA and Konami copy each others bugs now.
 
matinx said:
Realistic? Where? In the league of amazon forest? :) (*C Joey Barton) I haven't seen these nets anywhere in europe. About liga do brasil I don't care - I don't watch it, I don't enjoy it. Football without tactic doesn't make sense anymore at all.
If they put this kind of nets as option, that we are able to choose before the game - I totally support this idea.
If that might be the only net we have in game - I totally decline.
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+ 1 :D
 
matinx said:
Realistic? Where? In the league of amazon forest? :) (*C Joey Barton) I haven't seen these nets anywhere in europe. About liga do brasil I don't care - I don't watch it, I don't enjoy it. Football without tactic doesn't make sense anymore at all.
If they put this kind of nets as option, that we are able to choose before the game - I totally support this idea.
If that might be the only net we have in game - I totally decline.
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I agree.
 
Matt1234 said:
WENB Community day impressions

http://winningelevenblog.com/blog/pes2014-community-day-impressions/
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sigh, this bit irritates the fuck out of me:-

An area of the game that I was not impressed with were referees. There was far too many yellow cards for small fouls that would never be considered a bookable offense in a real match. In a game I observed there were 5 red cards, which clearly shows that there are some issues when it comes to the referees decision making. There was also an instance, although it was only once, where a player was very clearly offside and yet the decision wasn’t called. Wether that is a part of the game, error in decision making is common in real football as many know, or just a bug, we don’t know but it is something that should be removed before the final release.
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Yeah, nice one WENB, another year of referees hardly booking anyone, or not giving fouls when you blatantly get taken out by the CPU :/
 
Matty_17 said:
gaming doesnt get stuck in anything, what are you talking about

generation = next iteration of console hardware

there is nothing metaphysical about this. its just a term used to define something
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OK. I really didn't want to drag this into PC vs consoles, but you clearly can't get the point, so I'll explain more clearly; unfortunately that will result in PC vs consoles:

Gaming is held back by the consoles. Many games are released on PC as well as consoles, but the PC versions can never really show what they can do because the consoles are unable to replicate it. Even the 'NG' consoles do not stack up against a proper top of the range gaming PC. And those consoles' specs do not change for their entire lifetime, while the PC manufacturers develop more and more powerful hardware - which barely gets used unless the game is a PC specific title and there aren't many of those around. PC specific titles look 'NG' already; they've done so for years.

Look at Xcom Enemy Unknown. The default graphics are very cartoony, but once the PC modders got hold of them, they looked crisp and gritty. Textures were improved, lighting improved, everything improved.

Understand now?

RAMAXWY said:
i don't play the games on PC but as for consoles we would have to agree to disagree on that.
does it really make that big a difference if you play a FIFA game on PC or console?
cause on console i think its crap.
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Out of the box, perhaps they're rather similar but once modded, the PC version is massively improved. Fifa 13's default speed was ridiculously fast; thank God for the sliders. Fifa 14's speed doesn't look to have been slowed down at all, whereas PES 14's pace looks right on the money to me.

profit90 said:
Who the heck needs next gen when you have a gaming PC... That's why PES is going to rock...

Next gen is just a pretend label to market/sell outdated (truth be told) hardware to console fanboys, nothing more.
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That's completely true! You've only got to compare the screens from Fifa 13 with Moddingway patches to the so-called 'NG' Ignite engine: the Moddingway graphics are superior. Several people posted comparisons on the EA forums, asking people which one was the 'NG' one and not one person chose Ignite. What does that say about so-called 'NG'?

This is why I hate the term 'generations'. All games start life on PC for God's sake - so why not make the best version possible on the PC, and scale it down for the sodding consoles? Instead of that, they make them on PC, scale them down for consoles and port the results (usually badly) back to the PC. I will argue the point with Jesus Christ himself: it doesn't make any sense at all for gaming progress to be tied to the slowest machines. Sure the consoles will be on a reasonably level footing with most PCs for a short period of time, but that will last a year or two at most; my planned next upgrade will already put my PC back out front.

Sorry for the off topic, but it was the only way to make the guy understand what I'm trying to say.

Back on topic:

An area of the game that I was not impressed with were referees. There was far too many yellow cards for small fouls that would never be considered a bookable offense in a real match. In a game I observed there were 5 red cards, which clearly shows that there are some issues when it comes to the referees decision making. There was also an instance, although it was only once, where a player was very clearly offside and yet the decision wasn’t called. Wether that is a part of the game, error in decision making is common in real football as many know, or just a bug, we don’t know but it is something that should be removed before the final release.
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Why can't anyone, be it EA or Konami, ever get the referees right??

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As an option only; not by default.
 
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