PES 2013 Discussion Thread

[gerd]

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100 % agree ! FIFA is good game, fun game , kids love it . Good online modes, cool tricks... is just fun . But if you want more realistic experience, you play on PES. Its easy !
This year ... Konami try to make realistic and fun game , that why PES 2013 is easier , they must make better online mode and better FL mode .

I never implied that. This is a fine example how biased some people are (with all respect).
It's not because you have think football that PES is more realistic.The game has too many flaws to be realistic (you only have to look at the animations who are not realistic).

 

[zeemeister]

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I'd be interested to know if online will actually work this year. Last year I couldn't even play an online game against my mate who lives less than a mile away without terrible lag and disconnects!

LOL I live in south africa and play leagues in the UK daily. I have a modest 4MBPS connection at my place in cape town that's at the southern most tip of africa and experience lag free games. I don't think its the servers fault that you experienceing issues mate.

 

[Ameppe]

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is zero bar manual? I noticed that passes now have a yellow power bar like pressing L2 with the other bars, and it also applies to long balls too. Only crosses are assisted. The passes go exactly where i want and there is a greater emphasis on hitting the power right. I'm kinda confused, people are saying that zero bar isn't fully manual. Either way, it really opens up the game for me, especially with everything else manual, even with off-the ball controls.

zero bar is manual in passage power, semi assisted in direction

the real full manual is with L2

 

[henrys hand]

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zero bar is manual in passage power, semi assisted in direction

the real full manual is with L2

Exactly, but in the full version maybe there will be an additional option to have full manual (with stats-influence) without using L2.

 

[AIR92]

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Oh right, well it's good enough for me! Much better than the other bars thats for sure. If Konami decides for one pass setting for MLO, this should be it! It takes stats into consideration since its direction is semi-assisted while giving the person enough freedom, it would be perfect. Actually stratch that deciding factor, Konami MUST put only one setting for online.

 

[zeemeister]

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i think those cards are stupid and not nessecary

it should be the managers choice to tell his player if he should be over lapping or not. NOT the players choice.... he should be judged on his stats and thats it

the only reason, say, dani alves over laps in real life a lot is because HE IS GOOD AT ATTACKING... and so barca use him to be attacking. simple

the difference you ask? well if you ask john terry to be overlap a lot as a RB compared to dani alves, then since terrys atacking stats are bad he will fail as an attacking RB but alves will not... thats the difference

Off with his head. INDIDUALITY seeing as you lkike to use capitals I N D I V I D U A I L T Y.

The way it is prompts you to play to players strengths. I am sure Pep or Tito would love Alves to sit a little deep and not attack.

 

[Rantboy]

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I tend to agree or agree with the both of you.
I'm not the person to analyse a game on the basis of a 10 minutes demo, but after having played both the demo of PES13 and Fifa12, here is what i'm thinking.

You have to play PES like real football. A goal in PES is build like when you play real football.

But (and this may seem a strange conclusion) FIFA12 is clearly the better GAME. One of the reasons is the fact that it is less frstrating than PES (even if IMO PES13 demo is a big step forward).

I buy both games, and as a customer i feel better treated by FIFA (and now i'm comparing with the last retail version: PES12, for me an extremely frustrating game after the good PES11). I'm 50 years old (yes) and i have a very busy professional life. Hence i can't be bothered to edit all the teams, for me the license thing is a big asset for FIFA (at the time of the very good PES games and the very bad FIFA games it never was an issue). Besides that i see all these post of the big PES fans and it strikes me that most of them play PES with patches...Conclusion: PES' retail version and this demo is not good enough for them, otherwise they would play it out of the box.

Am i biased? Yes, people on this forum tend to think i'm a big PES fanboy.

What do i think? I want both games to be as good as possible since i buy them both. But this year me and my kids played FIFA12 for 90% of the time. Last year we favoured PES11. Do i influence my kids? I don't think so...

I think you completely nailed it, Gerd.
The license thing really hurts indeed. As you say, FIFA is a finished product in this aspect, it's ready out of the box. Whereas with PES you need to give it a month or so to have this awesome community produce the patches for us. I patched a WE7 once, but I had time on my hands. Today I don't, and I completely depend on others creating the patch for me.
But Konami doesn't have the money to compete in terms of licences (Seabass has declared that they're excluding PES out of licences with all the investment). So the least Konami can do is leave the game sort of "open source", so patchers can do their thing.

But talking about the gameplay itself, I think the feeling of a well earned goal is coming back with this PES 2013.
IMO PES 2011 was really good, but PES 2012 was horse shit. It tried so hard being a game that is "hard to beat" that it felt arcadey as ever and I actually found myself resorting to things I wouldn't normally do to score in a PES game.

I have been a big fan of PES through the years, and even a "fanboy", I must admit. Not in the sense that I would flame FIFA and its fans, but in a sense that I wouldn't even give FIFA a chance anymore.

After the horrendous, disastrous and dismal PES 2012, I bought FIFA 12 and enjoyed it a lot more than PES. I didn't really play neither of them frequently, didn't have a league campaign in either. But when I wanted a casual and pleasing footie game experience I was turning to FIFA instead.

This year I was pending more to FIFA to be honest, but this PES 2013 demo was a breath of fresh air. I will still test the retail version before purchasing it though, and if Konami screws it up somehow I will turn to FIFA again, no doubt about it.

 

[Tim7]

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This might be a silly question, but I'm goin to ask it anyway:

How have people managed to add loads of club sides to the PC demo? And make the game last longer? Are they all in the demo already but Konami locks them?

 

[Bingham67]

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This might be a silly question, but I'm goin to ask it anyway:

How have people managed to add loads of club sides to the PC demo? And make the game last longer? Are they all in the demo already but Konami locks them?

Look in patch section on forum on here im using jenkey 36 team patch.

 

[P34SEMM]

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PES 2013 could be released two weeks before FIFA 13, a retail source has suggested to the gaming site VideoGamer.com.

The source - who has asked to remain anonymous - claimed that the October release window for PES 2013 hinted at by a recent advert was no longer relevant.

Instead, the source claims that the date carried by Blockbuster's website, September 14, is "more accurate".

If true, this would be the first time a PES title has gone on sale before FIFA since the launch of Pro Evolution Soccer 3 way back in October 2003.

PES typically goes on sale in October following FIFA's late September slot - this year, EA's date is September 28.

Konami's CEO "is personally involved to ensure all licensing is resolved in time for this date," the source added.

VideoGamer.com has contacted Konami for comment.

 

[Lami]

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Konami's CEO is personally involved?

He must mean business.

 

[henrys hand]

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Very interesting and a good move if the game is really finished by that date and doesn't get released with glaring bugs still not fixed.

 

[gerd]

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But talking about the gameplay itself, I think the feeling of a well earned goal is coming back with this PES 2013.
IMO PES 2011 was really good, but PES 2012 was horse shit. It tried so hard being a game that is "hard to beat" that it felt arcadey as ever and I actually found myself resorting to things I wouldn't normally do to score in a PES game.

I have been a big fan of PES through the years, and even a "fanboy", I must admit. Not in the sense that I would flame FIFA and its fans, but in a sense that I wouldn't even give FIFA a chance anymore.

After the horrendous, disastrous and dismal PES 2012, I bought FIFA 12 and enjoyed it a lot more than PES. I didn't really play neither of them frequently, didn't have a league campaign in either. But when I wanted a casual and pleasing footie game experience I was turning to FIFA instead.

This year I was pending more to FIFA to be honest, but this PES 2013 demo was a breath of fresh air. I will still test the retail version before purchasing it though, and if Konami screws it up somehow I will turn to FIFA again, no doubt about it.

That could have been written by me rentboy. I also bought FIFA10 and liked it, but i completely agree. To be honest i've lost all confidence in Konami since last years. I rather liked the demo's but the retail version was completely different and horse shit like you said.

I like this demo, but it is very well possible that the retail version will be worse. Last year i felt ripped off after having enjoyed PES2011 quite a lot...IMO that was a gaint leap in the good direction despite obvious flaws and PES12 was an enormous step back...

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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umm.. i think youre missing my point. im saying there shouldnt be a 'overlapping card'... it should all be done by stats... so if he has things like good stamina, good crossing, pace etc. then he will be good as an attacking full back... and that is why you would buy him

the overlapping card actually makes NO sense because, like i said, the only reason players like alves attack is BECAUSE of they are good at it(their stats) and so their managers INSTRUCT them to attack.... they dont just attack on a whim... the manager sees that strength and uses it... to have this arbitary card is pointless.... IT SHOULD BE DONE BY MANAGER INSTRUCTIONS.... what if you DONT want alves to attack? and want to be ultra defensive? why should this stupid card of his make him defy your tactics? the only reason he has this card is because of in real life he is INSTRUCTED to attack... the card is pointless!!!


it should all be about stats and your tactics... no silly power ups

guys...lol, it was all perfect in pes010, u cud set up a players work rate off-def-balanced, u can turn off or on playstyle cards

lets say trainer on the go during match says guys we 're leading alves dude stop the overlapping, boom u go to tactic menu and switch it off
simple
playstyle cards is a good idea but now we have no control over it, they removed it..

I gave pes13demo once again chance yesterday and after few matches I came back to fifa12 - and I have to tell you this was like a bomb on my head ... once again I see how far away is konami - this pes maybe looks nice but I cant feel real football match when playing, I dont want to play it again like fifa. For me this year for pes is another fault. I dont think that konami will make a big step when they will release full pes13 (however they tried to make something good - gameplay is a little better than last 7 years). I know how many of us (milions of players) would like to change pes ourselves because we have idea and know how to do it, but, lets say it - konami are stupid programists: for 7 years they moved back instead of developing pes 6.
And, oh yes, I was a big fan of pes6 and I have to repeat - the only way to have great pes and to beat fifa for years is to take gameplay engine from pes6, make small corrections and take graphic and look from pes13 + totally new sound made by someone who know what is match atmosphere (not another konami stupid programist - after goal little ,,yeah'' like 70 year-old grandmothers crowd).
Thank you and wish you many great hours playing amator-evolution-soccer, I wish myself another great weeks with fifa12 and fantastic new season with fifa13 ... crying of what happend to pes6 (it was a big possibility for konami to have pes07...13 from another planet).

theres so much fail in this post i cant even start to pick it out
*multiple facepalms*

 

[Me!TheRaven]

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I to fear the Retail version of the game. Pes 11 and 12 had both great demos compared to the final product. This 13 gameplay, at this moment, is superior to anything they´ve accomplished this gen, so let´s hope the final code tweaking doesn´t unbalance this great footie game. I´m also curious about the Fifa product, for i also buy both games since 08, and could never, ever ,only choose one, because of each one´s flaws and shortcomings...

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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I to fear the Retail version of the game. Pes 11 and 12 had both great demos compared to the final product. This 13 gameplay, at this moment, is superior to anything they´ve accomplished this gen, so let´s hope the final code tweaking doesn´t unbalance this great footie game. I´m also curious about the Fifa product, for i also buy both games since 08, and could never, ever ,only choose one, because of each one´s flaws and shortcomings...

yes, full release is where its at!
your last sentence, so u rather play two shortcomings than only one?
interesting
better play one and leave the other in my opinion :p

 

[hitmanuk]

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PES 2013 could be released two weeks before FIFA 13, a retail source has suggested to the gaming site VideoGamer.com.

The source - who has asked to remain anonymous - claimed that the October release window for PES 2013 hinted at by a recent advert was no longer relevant.

Instead, the source claims that the date carried by Blockbuster's website, September 14, is "more accurate".

If true, this would be the first time a PES title has gone on sale before FIFA since the launch of Pro Evolution Soccer 3 way back in October 2003.

PES typically goes on sale in October following FIFA's late September slot - this year, EA's date is September 28.

Konami's CEO "is personally involved to ensure all licensing is resolved in time for this date," the source added.

VideoGamer.com has contacted Konami for comment.

Interesting I'm pretty sure that was last years FIFA 2012 demo date, definitely around that time..maybe pushing for early sales just in case FIFA comes up with something outstanding. If that is the case then nothing much is going to change in the next 6 weeks, im pretty sure they have to get it to microsoft for validation way before that time so its more like a 4 week window to work on from now. Really hope they fix the ball movement only thing thats stopping me from really enjoying it..way to floaty and stil "on a string" when dribbling at times

 

[Tim7]

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Look in patch section on forum on here im using jenkey 36 team patch.

Oh yeah, I know patches are available. But I'm wondering how they are done. Are all players already in the game? Or have the patch makers created them and created all the new teams?

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

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I think you completely nailed it, Gerd.
The license thing really hurts indeed. As you say, FIFA is a finished product in this aspect, it's ready out of the box. Whereas with PES you need to give it a month or so to have this awesome community produce the patches for us. I patched a WE7 once, but I had time on my hands. Today I don't, and I completely depend on others creating the patch for me.
But Konami doesn't have the money to compete in terms of licences (Seabass has declared that they're excluding PES out of licences with all the investment). So the least Konami can do is leave the game sort of "open source", so patchers can do their thing.

But talking about the gameplay itself, I think the feeling of a well earned goal is coming back with this PES 2013.
IMO PES 2011 was really good, but PES 2012 was horse shit. It tried so hard being a game that is "hard to beat" that it felt arcadey as ever and I actually found myself resorting to things I wouldn't normally do to score in a PES game.

I have been a big fan of PES through the years, and even a "fanboy", I must admit. Not in the sense that I would flame FIFA and its fans, but in a sense that I wouldn't even give FIFA a chance anymore.

After the horrendous, disastrous and dismal PES 2012, I bought FIFA 12 and enjoyed it a lot more than PES. I didn't really play neither of them frequently, didn't have a league campaign in either. But when I wanted a casual and pleasing footie game experience I was turning to FIFA instead.

This year I was pending more to FIFA to be honest, but this PES 2013 demo was a breath of fresh air. I will still test the retail version before purchasing it though, and if Konami screws it up somehow I will turn to FIFA again, no doubt about it.

All I know is that every year I buy PES and FIFA, and every year I initially play FIFA a lot more. Then, every year, I find myself playing FIFA less and less until I end up never playing it at all, and then wind up playing PES exclusively. Every single year.

Having played this demo however I'll be sticking to PES2013, still absolutely love it so far.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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kinda having the hope that this one new lead designer wont fuck up the retail

 

[pepper63]

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I am playing with the Unlock 36 Teams Patch and finding it very hard to score. The shooting my have been toned down because they don't seem to have the zip that the unpatched Demo has. But CPU shots are like rockets. I hope the retail version has the same freedom as the demo because i remember the last two versions being a big let down when i purchased them.

 

[_anderson]

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It's all down to the player stats. Players like Ibra, Ronaldo, Balotelli and Rooney have rocket launchers instead of feet.

 

[Matty_17]

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I have also a little aversion to the whole cards-system, but I think it's in the game to make it easier to set up a team. Not everyone is capable and willing to take enough time to do all the micro-managing themselves and tell all players exactly how to play...

and so they wont have fleshed out tactics

you think because people dont want to spend time doing tactics so the game should force pre-made tactic cards on their players to help them? its a terrible system!

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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its not just the sheer speed of it, i scored 3-4 long range efforts with ronaldinho outside the box after the opponent team gave away the ball due to pressing
ball was passed into nothing i run into that space pick up the ball run a few meters and start to shoot(holding sprint button) @ about 24 meters range and the ball is not fast but accurate and goes to the long down corner, keeper looks OK but cant get it

now i dont know the shotpower stat of him but it seems that in some situations there is a script like "good long range effort now avalaible" or something

@above
yes i miss the freedom enabling cards or not from 010, every trainer is capable of doing changes on the go during match but we cant anymore
lets say a CM has the roaming card, very offensive card, now u want him to stop coz u subbed in another CM or u put that player as RM u dont need that card u cant turn it off
it suxx

edit2
another example, some players got not only one playstyle card
u want one but not the other, u cant change
versatile players can change the way they play, coach can, we cant

example#3
schweinsteiger has got the allrounder card
now hes not the type of box to box player anymore, its khedira beside him
u cant switch if off
khedira has it too, now u are forced to play with 2 same playstyle cards if u like to keep that pivot in th central
suxx
konami big mistake

 

[Matty_17]

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The way it is prompts you to play to players strengths.

it should be up to MEEEE to decide wether i want to play to his strengths, not some pre determined card.

I am sure Pep or Tito would love Alves to sit a little deep and not attack.

you mean follow their instructions? YES. if the situation called for it, then yes, absolutely. what i know they dont love is to be winning 2-0 5 mins on the clock and decide to go ultra defensive and tell alves to always stay in the back line and then think 'no, wait, alves is an individual and will look to get forward no matter what because he has that card... damn you card!! defying my tactics'....... that they dont love

 

[Jamezinho]

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All I know is that every year I buy PES and FIFA, and every year I initially play FIFA a lot more. Then, every year, I find myself playing FIFA less and less until I end up never playing it at all, and then wind up playing PES exclusively. Every single year.

Having played this demo however I'll be sticking to PES2013, still absolutely love it so far.

Same here. FIFA tends to shoot its load early whereas PES is quite underwhelming to start with, but gathers steam over the next few weeks/months.

I'm not going to bother with FIFA this year as it always ends the same way, plus PES2013 is pretty damn good. I'm enjoying it more with each match, which is a good sign.

Anyway, good news about a possible early release date. Many of us having been saying Konami should do this for years.

 

[pepper63]

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Does anyone know if the WE13 Demo is available on Pc?

 

[Chuny]

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I am playing with the Unlock 36 Teams Patch and finding it very hard to score. The shooting my have been toned down because they don't seem to have the zip that the unpatched Demo has. But CPU shots are like rockets. I hope the retail version has the same freedom as the demo because i remember the last two versions being a big let down when i purchased them.

You know what? I have the same feeling!
Before using the Unlocker and Jenkey's 36 teams patch, I could score a little bit easier and build up many more scoring chances. I'm not saying I would win 4-0 but I could score 1 or 2 goals each match. Now it got harder after that patch. However it could be just a placebo effect because I doubt Jenkey would tweak the gameplay and not state it somewhere for us to know that.

Also, the ONE thing I do not like at all in this game is players speed. I can't believe that I cannot outrun any defender with Messi or with Neymar or with CR7. They all catch me up. It's like the infamous catchup bug but a little different now, because it's not like your player slow down and the AI catches you up, it's more like your attackers are always slower than AI defenders so it's obvious they will catch you up no matter how good the through ball was or how far the AI defender was from your attacker.

 

[zlac]

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Oh yeah, I know patches are available. But I'm wondering how they are done. Are all players already in the game? Or have the patch makers created them and created all the new teams?

Stats for all players already exist in 2013 demo database, but their appearances (faces, kits, etc.) are missing from the original demo, in order to make the demo smaller to download. Luckily, this year almost everything related to appearance can be imported from PES 2012 into 2013 - hence the overwhelming number of patches ... and teams in them.

 

[henrys hand]

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and so they wont have fleshed out tactics

you think because people dont want to spend time doing tactics so the game should force pre-made tactic cards on their players to help them? its a terrible system!

The card-system is not a terrible system, it's a nice time-saver and help for those not capable and wanting to go that deep into the tactics.

The problem is only that the cards are enforced and can't be switched off.

All Konami has to do is to introduce two switch-off/on-mechanisms, a global one, switching on/off all cards of the team you are playing with and a local one inside the player-menu so that you can switch on/off for every player separately.

On top of that Konami needs to introduce a system to specifically instruct players how to play for those switching off the cards.

That's all.