Re: PES 2013 Discussion Thread .......
I tend to agree or agree with the both of you.
I'm not the person to analyse a game on the basis of a 10 minutes demo, but after having played both the demo of PES13 and Fifa12, here is what i'm thinking.
You have to play PES like real football. A goal in PES is build like when you play real football.
But (and this may seem a strange conclusion) FIFA12 is clearly the better GAME. One of the reasons is the fact that it is less frstrating than PES (even if IMO PES13 demo is a big step forward).
I buy both games, and as a customer i feel better treated by FIFA (and now i'm comparing with the last retail version: PES12, for me an extremely frustrating game after the good PES11). I'm 50 years old (yes) and i have a very busy professional life. Hence i can't be bothered to edit all the teams, for me the license thing is a big asset for FIFA (at the time of the very good PES games and the very bad FIFA games it never was an issue). Besides that i see all these post of the big PES fans and it strikes me that most of them play PES with patches...Conclusion: PES' retail version and this demo is not good enough for them, otherwise they would play it out of the box.
Am i biased? Yes, people on this forum tend to think i'm a big PES fanboy.
What do i think? I want both games to be as good as possible since i buy them both. But this year me and my kids played FIFA12 for 90% of the time. Last year we favoured PES11. Do i influence my kids? I don't think so...
I think you completely nailed it, Gerd.
The license thing really hurts indeed. As you say, FIFA is a finished product in this aspect, it's ready out of the box. Whereas with PES you need to give it a month or so to have this awesome community produce the patches for us. I patched a WE7 once, but I had time on my hands. Today I don't, and I completely depend on others creating the patch for me.
But Konami doesn't have the money to compete in terms of licences (Seabass has declared that they're excluding PES out of licences with all the investment). So the least Konami can do is leave the game sort of "open source", so patchers can do their thing.
But talking about the gameplay itself, I think the feeling of a well earned goal is coming back with this PES 2013.
IMO PES 2011 was really good, but PES 2012 was horse shit. It tried so hard being a game that is "hard to beat" that it felt arcadey as ever and I actually found myself resorting to things I wouldn't normally do to score in a PES game.
I have been a big fan of PES through the years, and even a "fanboy", I must admit. Not in the sense that I would flame FIFA and its fans, but in a sense that I wouldn't even give FIFA a chance anymore.
After the horrendous, disastrous and dismal PES 2012, I bought FIFA 12 and enjoyed it a lot more than PES. I didn't really play neither of them frequently, didn't have a league campaign in either. But when I wanted a casual and pleasing footie game experience I was turning to FIFA instead.
This year I was pending more to FIFA to be honest, but this PES 2013 demo was a breath of fresh air. I will still test the retail version before purchasing it though, and if Konami screws it up somehow I will turn to FIFA again, no doubt about it.
, so u rather play two shortcomings than only one?
