PES 2013 Discussion Thread

[Tim7]

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I play with pass assistance on 2 bars and manual shooting always on. I think because I've played F*FA for the last few years on fully manual, when I tried normal shooting on this PES every shot went straight at the keeper! So I prefer to be in total control of my shots.

The passing LT manual modifier I think is a really good idea. I mainly use normal A button passing but sometimes I will use the manual passing to pick out a through ball or play it into space.

I think the system works really well as it is.

 

[romagnoli]

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Why are you two arguing about such an easy topic?

*sigh* We weren't arguing were we though henry? Matty was agreeing with me but making it sound like we were at odds, because he wasn't clear on where I stood.

As I said earlier, as far as I knew 0 bar was the same as holding L2. I couldn't care less whether it is or not. Surely me saying FIFA could do with a manual modifier should have made it obvious I'd be fine with the option for fully manual controls.

 

[henrys hand]

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*sigh* We weren't arguing were we though henry? Matty was agreeing with me but making it sound like we were at odds, because he wasn't clear on where I stood.

As I said earlier, as far as I knew 0 bar was the same as holding L2. I couldn't care less whether it is or not. Surely me saying FIFA could do with a manual modifier should have made it obvious I'd be fine with the option for fully manual controls.

I see, so it was just a miscommunication between you two.

Personally I like the combination of 1-bar-passing with L2-manual passing for more manual passes in certain situations.

But I would also like to see an additional option to have manual passing on all the time without L2.

In the demo zero bar is not the same as L2-manual passing, but that may well change for later code.

By the way in the demo throughballs are sort of scripted to go most of the time to the opposing defenders, so manual passing as a sort of manual throughball is much better.

 

[joeryan]

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Yeah, they need to make moves a bit more. At times they'll break off a good run, but the AI teammates need to make themselves available in space a bit more. I don't think that would be too difficult to achieve.

I've never tried the manual teammate control, just seems like it would give me too much to think about.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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they dont need to run more, i dont want a rushers game
playing them south am. teams they run upfront all the time even ronaldinho..
its a bit over the edge tbh

if u like more moving trigger the runs u need, simple(fussy sometimes yes but still, theres enough movement)
and no need to complain about broke up runs, if they start a run and u dont make the pass a player obviously will stop the run

its good as it is
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@henry
havent felt any difference regarding through balls going to defenders more or less compared L2 to normal passes
then i switched to 2 bar and it was way better(both L2 and normal)

btw the description line text on the pass assistance is saying that the player getting the ball is running more into direction, it has not much impact on the pass itself
so manual pass is only with L2, there cant be a manual pass with 0 bar but no L2
but if u make L2 and 2 bar its still manual but just adjusting the direction maybe slightly but mainly its adjusting the player getting the ball
atleast thats how i feel

 

[avok23]

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I said this like 10 pages earlier. Auto through ball magnets to defenders, forces your player on rails behind the defense hence why we need a complete manual button layout cos i will never use assisted passing till i die. I stopped assisted crossing since pes 5 (all heil option 5 in long pass settings)

 

[joeryan]

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they dont need to run more, i dont want a rushers game
playing them south am. teams they run upfront all the time even ronaldinho..
its a bit over the edge tbh

if u like more moving trigger the runs u need, simple(fussy sometimes yes but still, theres enough movement)
and no need to complain about broke up runs, if they start a run and u dont make the pass a player obviously will stop the run

its good as it is
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@henry
havent felt any difference regarding through balls going to defenders more or less compared L2 to normal passes
then i switched to 2 bar and it was way better(both L2 and normal)

btw the description line text on the pass assistance is saying that the player getting the ball is running more into direction, it has not much impact on the pass itself
so manual pass is only with L2, there cant be a manual pass with 0 bar but no L2
but if u make L2 and 2 bar its still manual but just adjusting the direction maybe slightly but mainly its adjusting the player getting the ball
atleast thats how i feel

I didn't say they need to run more, I said make themselves available through space. There's a difference there.

I want to see players move about in an intelligent fashion, such as a winger feigning a run inside to go outside, or vice versa. Make a move and then drop back into the space created as the defender reacts.

Runs are part of it, but there's so much more to it than that. It also doesn't have to be rush football, creating space is usually done best by the most subtle of movements. It's another reason why more walking type animations should be included, so players can be a bit more subtle in how they create space for themselves.

 

[Redhat]

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I didn't say they need to run more, I said make themselves available through space. There's a difference there.

I want to see players move about in an intelligent fashion, such as a winger feigning a run inside to go outside, or vice versa. Make a move and then drop back into the space created as the defender reacts.

Runs are part of it, but there's so much more to it than that. It also doesn't have to be rush football, creating space is usually done best by the most subtle of movements. It's another reason why more walking type animations should be included, so players can be a bit more subtle in how they create space for themselves.

Completely agree.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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its hard to code this
what u can do is trigger a run and that one player will take a defender with him, so u can use that created space the defender has left

and some other twists are possible, like holding the ball in one area a bit longer than usual and the AI will try to find space u can pass to
i have no problem with AI off the ball movement

2012 was "active" AI but sucked in my opinion, CFs in particular
now the "proActive" AI is doing way better

 

[avok23]

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WTF!?! no its not hard to code that. The problem is that you might run the risque of looking scripted and PES is also notorious for no showing skill difference in making runs.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

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if its not hard why we havent got it?

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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About the players making themselves available all over the pitch. If all teams did this well, more teams would play like Barcelona. Coaching and playing ability, or lack thereof, means not all teams or players do this well enough in real life. Yes they do it, but not like robots for 90 minutes.

What we DO need is the ability of tactic sliders that make a difference so that if we desire a lot of support when we carry the ball, the pass support option activates forwards, backwards and lateral movement to support the ball carrier.

The sliders must work according to how we choose to play the game. If I have a lead and don't want my players taking many risks, I might tweak the tactics accordingly.

 

[avok23]

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if its not hard why we havent got it?

Cos they are human. Design over look? Current system my be clogged and might be overriding current ai. they have limited time and they want max profits . If it was EA i would say cos they want to sell it to you next year.

 

[fanolato]

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About the players making themselves available all over the pitch. If all teams did this well, more teams would play like Barcelona. Coaching and playing ability, or lack thereof, means not all teams or players do this well enough in real life. Yes they do it, but not like robots for 90 minutes.

What we DO need is the ability of tactic sliders that make a difference so that if we desire a lot of support when we carry the ball, the pass support option activates forwards, backwards and lateral movement to support the ball carrier.

The sliders must work according to how we choose to play the game. If I have a lead and don't want my players taking many risks, I might tweak the tactics accordingly.

Also high support require a lot of off the ball running when you don't have many players with good passing, first touch and dribbling skills. So playing that way should deplete player's stamina considerably more than normal.

 

[avok23]

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We need individual player instructions plain and simple. Give us arrows or Football manager insrtuctions. Even Pes manager allowed you to script senarios and runs. No team plays with one mindset for all 11 players unless you are Barca or a team playing all out attack/defense

 

[Lami]

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Guys,

Please do not post anything other than feedback in the feedback thread. Posts will be deleted then. If you have anything to say apart from feedback either do that in here or pm me.

Thank you.

 

[Avareee]

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would this PC spec be enough to serve me well with PES 2013 and future releases?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaming-Co...t=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2320319af1

Bulldozer Processor is very bad, if you ask me. Take Intel i5 2500/2500k I would recommend you only i5 2500, as you said you buy it for PES, 2500k version is for overclocking only.

And Graphics Card I can recommend you HD Radeon 7850 or 7870 ..very good and one of the cheapest cards. As I have one(HD7870).

And 16gb Ram is overkill atm..as noone reallly need it its only for excessive file editing and so on, 8gb is more than enough. Here also I can recommend you something: Any of Corsair or G.Skill as they are very good (8gb)

 

[Lami]

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Please use this thread for any PC inquiries. You'll find much better quality help in there.

 

[joeryan]

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I've come to the conclusion that shooting needs to be reigned in a bit. With a mate the other night, we both scored some right corkers. 35 yard half volleys with the laces, inch perfect chips, curled shots from the edge of the area.

It's nice in an arcadey sense, but not as satisfying once you're used to it. Given enough space around the box, nine times of out ten the better players will smash it into a corner. Is this true to real life? Maybe it'll balance out if defenders got a bit tigher, but at the moment I reckon it could do with toning down somewhat.

Absolutely loving dribbling btw. It's pure joy ripping the piss out of someone with a nutmeg. I disagree with the 'stumble bug' accusations, there's a good level of control when you're knocked off balance, and most of the time you're able to retain possession.

Was that with the manual shot turned on?

 

[joeryan]

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We need individual player instructions plain and simple. Give us arrows or Football manager insrtuctions. Even Pes manager allowed you to script senarios and runs. No team plays with one mindset for all 11 players unless you are Barca or a team playing all out attack/defense

Excellent idea.

Is there anything close to that in the game? The menu system on team set up is a little haywire for my liking, I never even bother to go through it all.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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It's an interesting argument and I think it parallels the manual controls argument. People are wanting full control over everything where I think that the beauty of PES is building a team around the strengths of your players stats. Whether that is their attacking tendency or through their passing/shooting stats.

It's not basketball where there's 5 players..and even then they defend and attack as a unit. Players generally don't get individual instructions. I'd rather leave that for BAL mode.

 

[avok23]

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What are you talking about Calcio?

 

[Matty_17]

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People are wanting full control over everything where I think that the beauty of PES is building a team around the strengths of your players stats. Whether that is their attacking tendency or through their passing/shooting stats.

obviously player stats come into it, but as the manager (the guy controlling the formation and tactics) you should be giving your team instructions on how to play. right now you have the sliders for width/support and whatnot, but they could easily go a lot more in depth with that stuff to make your instructions more specific.

Players generally don't get individual instructions.

that is simply not true.

 

[joeryan]

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obviously player stats come into it, but as the manager (the guy controlling the formation and tactics) you should be giving your team instructions on how to play. right now you have the sliders for width/support and whatnot, but they could easily go a lot more in depth with that stuff to make your instructions more specific.



that is simply not true.

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Agree with you, Calcio. Players in some sense know their role, which can be encoded into the individual player, with the better players have a better sense of what they're supposed to do. Yet, there's always an instruction for each individual player about what their role should be.

I like the idea. I really hope they make the new menus for that more user friendly in the coming years. The old ones on PS2 were much more so.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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obviously player stats come into it, but as the manager (the guy controlling the formation and tactics) you should be giving your team instructions on how to play. right now you have the sliders for width/support and whatnot, but they could easily go a lot more in depth with that stuff to make your instructions more specific.

that is simply not true.

It is in the sense of what I'm talking about. I think what you want is to have arrows pointing around the ground for where players should run, right?

Coaches don't give players instructions that specific. They might have man marking jobs, they might tell them to overlap when possible or to try getting in behind. But once the game kicks off, depending on how the opposition sets itself up and wha the result is, players will fall back on their instincts rather than blindly following an "arrow" of where to run.

What kind of sliders are you guys wanting?

One for telling a player how often to foul? One for telling a player how to eat his lunch?

And this is not a management game. It's a football game. So most of the time you're on the field playing. Just because another game has a great feature, it doesn't mean every game should adopt it.

Instead of people appreciating that we have an early demo to play, they're here asking for 100 new features which clearly won't be implemented for the retail version.

 

[Matty_17]

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I think what you want is to have arrows pointing around the ground for where players should run, right?

yes and no. more precise to say 'places where players are more inclined to run'. if you have a back arrow on your CF he should look for that option, doesnt mean he has to do it every time - that IS type of instructions which is given in real life.

What kind of sliders are you guys wanting?

things that effect how your team will play. if you have all barcelona players in a team they wont play like barcelona unless you can have tactics telling them to... thats what a manager does, decides how the team plays.

so what sliders? things like

how often FB's look for the overlap, width of team on offense, width of team on defense, what kind of runs players should be inclined to make, type of passing your team plays (short play your team mates look for ground passes and come closer to the ball)... individually, how much freedom to roam? stay in position out wide to create space? make runs inside?

just think for yourself... really not hard to come up with basic ideas like this... i dont know how you can miss out things like this that will make your team play how you want it to play as much as possible

Just because another game has a great feature, it doesn't mean every game should adopt it.

if it works for the betterment of the game, then yes, of course it should aim to adopt it.

Instead of people appreciating that we have an early demo to play, they're here asking for 100 new features which clearly won't be implemented for the retail version.

i do appreciate the demo. who says i dont? certainly not me, because ive sang its praises numerous times on this forum.

and of course every possible good feature isnt going to be implemented within the release date... but thats what the game should be striving towards... do you want a game to just stall in progress? you must be glad for the past 5 years of pes where it was bad game after bad game.... maybe with some of these ideas they wouldve been a lot better.... so maybe you should stop moaning at people giving constructive criticism and fresh ideas that would take the series even further

 

[avok23]

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I actually dont want arrows i want to tell a player to stay in the middle go out wide or cut in from out fiwde.
I want to tell players never to drop back or to drop back.
I want to tell my FWDs to press defenders but not to drop back
I want to tell them to make runs often or not at all (Big target men dont really make runs).
I want to tell my CM to make late runs into the box just like Frank lampard.
These are simple things that could be applied as tweaks to the currents system and you dont have to force casuals to use it. Just have it has an option.

 

[Matty_17]

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I actually dont want arrows i want to tell a player to stay in the middle go out wide or cut in from out fiwde.
I want to tell players never to drop back or to drop back.
I want to tell my FWDs to press defenders but not to drop back
I want to tell them to make runs often or not at all (Big target men dont really make runs).
I want to tell my CM to make late runs into the box just like Frank lampard.
These are simple things that could be applied as tweaks to the currents system and you dont have to force casuals to use it. Just have it has an option.

yes exactly... these things are called ideas.. which peoeple can discuss.. amazing

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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I'm not moaning at constructive criticism. But there's a thread for that. This to me sounds like thinking out loud. I'm sure I read Adam saying something quite anti "arrows" on the WENB thread.

Of course I want the game to progress - but posting a wish list is different to telling Konami where the demo is good and where it is bad.

avok23 - what you're asking for is removing all player individuality though. To go against all their natural tendency just because you want them to do something.

FIFA has options like that in custom tactics and I never see a player getting to the edge of the box lol. Forwards who press defenders but never drop back will more than likely get caught offside a lot. If you've told them to never drop back and the AI pushes up - you're overriding your forwards intelligence in recognising where the defensive line is.

You're right - big target men don't really make runs. That's why you play to their strengths. Maybe a CM doesn't make runs into the box because he can't shoot well or because it's not in his natural game. What you want is to make players play EXACTLY the way you want, instead of respecting their personality.

Master League and MLO would be boring this way wouldn't it? No longer would you look for a forward with particular strengths, if you can mould anyone into the style of player you want.

 

[Matty_17]

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Of course I want the game to progress - but posting a wish list is different to telling Konami where the demo is good and where it is bad.

yeah i know... and the 'good and bad' thread is over there >>> This is the DISCUSSION thread

avok23 - what you're asking for is removing all player individuality though. To go against all their natural tendency just because you want them to do something.

ISNT THE POINT OF A MANAGER!?!!!?!?!!!? to shape the team how he wants?

Master League and MLO would be boring this way wouldn't it? No longer would you look for a forward with particular strengths, if you can mould anyone into the style of player you want.

but you cant!!!!!! you have to play to your players strengths!!!! thats the point of tactics!!! only bad managers are going to instruct their iniestas to play like their carrolls.... aka... NOT play to their players strengths i think you are completely missing the point of what tactics are meant to do...