PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Enlil said:
This game is awesome. I love how Messi is trying to stay on his feet after being teackled by 3 defenders. Playing on professional is the most satisfying, but a bit to easy. Goalkeepers have some weird stops and they sometimes let goals pass easily. overal pes has finally become a decent football game. compared to pes 2012 which is utterly shit imo.
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Yeah, it's great when I can do it with a fast winger like Walcott. This game, like 2011 before it, makes 2012 look so static in comparison.
 
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Watch and cry nHL 13 goal keeper.

This is actually the same tech from current gen FIFA for the animation and the logic is from old gen FIFA PS2 era.
I used to do gameplay mods for FIFA and they had 2 things very simple code that always amazed me (remember they were super human except for low ground balls).

First logic: Catch or punch
This logic was 100% based on ball speed.
Slow ball are grabbed fast balls are punched absolutley simple code

Ball catch logic:
Reaction time/Distance
-Time from when GK starts calculating ball trajectory. allows late dives but did not have old gen PES style no reaction cos ball was too fast.

Primary and secondary treat
-Allowed GK to cheat (move) and account for multiple players making tap ins and rebounds not as easy.

I think there was one for recovery as well.
They had code for charge distance and angle too based on distance to the goal.


Game difficulty scaled GK ability from 40%-110% They were all super human so it sucked.
 
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Dribbling in Pes just looks silly and unrealistic suprised they aint fixed that, its been same for years
 
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Matty_17 said:
but having passing assistence represents modern football? fact is trying to recreate real life only goes so far, this is a VIDEO GAME and you have to find the balance between real life and playability. do you arrows above player heads in real life to? no, but you need something there to tell you who you have control over.
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It's a trite and flawed straw man, so I'll make this quick. Let's ignore the fact I clearly stated manual AND assisted is more realistic than assisted OR realistic, and let's set aside the idea that having manual controls is balancing in favour of rather than against playability.

Let's just focus on your analogy. Removing the arrow/player name would lead to players running around in circles/off the pitch into the stands/away from the ball while the user tries to work out who they're controlling. Removing the arrow/player name would be *less* realistic.

Similarly (if that wasn't clear enough an example) not having a power bar would be less realistic - of course a real player can tell how much power they're trying to apply to every contact with the ball - the muscles they use across their entire body feed information back to them near instantly, and with far more precision and information than a power bar ever could. You could argue that the time you hold the button down does the same job, but that doesn't tell you that your button press has even been recognised, nor if it was recognised at the exact instant you pressed it.

but thats the thing, they HAVENT allowed us to choose fully manual. manual players still need a manual button, which is ridiculous.
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Not convinced this isn't psychoseumatic, but then I haven't actually bothered with fully manual precisely because realistic football needs the best of both worlds, as I said twice now.
 
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danhammer said:
would this PC spec be enough to serve me well with PES 2013 and future releases?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaming-Co...t=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2320319af1
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Coming up with a potential malware hazard for me that site....

Has anyone experienced the button error playing on PC?

I can't seem to press R1+L1 together to change the kick style. It's like it doesn't register.

It happened on the last one too.

I don't think you can sprint and switch player too, it's like some buttons can't be pressed at the same time.

I'm using wired xbox 360 controller to pc with up to date drivers.

Thanks in advance.
 
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kevano22 said:
Has anyone experienced the button error playing on PC?

I can't seem to press R1+L1 together to change the kick style. It's like it doesn't register.

It happened on the last one too.

I don't think you can sprint and switch player too, it's like some buttons can't be pressed at the same time.

I'm using wired xbox 360 controller to pc with up to date drivers.

Thanks in advance.
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I'm using the same controller, no problems at all. Have you tried using the X Input option in the controller settings (settings.exe)?
 
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Matty_17 said:
um, but on manual passing it IS easy to make easy passes (like between your centre backs), but when in the final third its harder because you have less time and need to be more accurate - that is a much better balance between realism than having heavey assistance passes, because no matter how 'easy' they are in real life they still actually require effort and aim.
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whats the point using manual pass for CB to CB passes?
just push normal pass and thats it

thats the point, u know
and again, BUT if u like to do it, lets say some CF is pressing u, u still can and push L2
thats a much better balance mate
 
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danhammer said:
would this PC spec be enough to serve me well with PES 2013 and future releases?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Gaming-Co...t=UK_Computing_DesktopPCs&hash=item2320319af1
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Should be good enough. Actually, it's even too much for PES 2013 ... but for longer period of exploitation, looking at next gen era, graphics card (ATI 7750) seems to be the weakest link here, it could hinder the raw power of CPU/RAM in years to come.

By all means, ask in PC building thread too ... they will give you better and more accurate answer.
 
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Bitter Rivals said:
guys i am playing on full manual and i am passing the ball around nicely and creating good possession openings and i will push the ball into space for a certain player to run on too however it completely chooses my wrong player and i find i am running out of position with someone else and the guy nearest to the ball it was intended for leaves it..

is this a common problem?

i have it on semi-auto switch at this moment in time...

annoying the F out of me
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Have the same problem moreso with 2013 than 2012. Its annoying as hell. Also when my players clash.
 
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romagnoli said:
It's a trite and flawed straw man, so I'll make this quick. Let's ignore the fact I clearly stated manual AND assisted is more realistic than assisted OR realistic, and let's set aside the idea that having manual controls is balancing in favour of rather than against playability.
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you said fifas control scheme is 'not accurate representation of real football'. my whole point is that 1:1 realism doesnt matter if practicality is bad (how it actually works inside the game).

having the options to inidivudally change passing, shooting, crossing etc to assisted/manual/semi is GOOD!

romagnoli said:
Not convinced this isn't psychoseumatic, but then I haven't actually bothered with fully manual precisely because realistic football needs the best of both worlds, as I said twice now.
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its not realistic that one second you have heavily assisted passing and the next you dont. but THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT anyways... if you want to play the game that way, fine. but i want to play fully manual (like i said, to me that means the perfect balance freedom and player stats... right now FULL manual on this game is closer to that than 0/1/2 etc pass assistance)
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
whats the point using manual pass for CB to CB passes?
just push normal pass and thats it

thats the point, u know
and again, BUT if u like to do it, lets say some CF is pressing u, u still can and push L2
thats a much better balance mate
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not for me

why do i want assisted passing? like i said, in real life even the 'simple' require effort... with assited control in game it requires NO EFFORT.... in real life a a 'simple' pass can be messed up if you arent putting enough concentration in... manual passing better represents this in game than assisted passing

even in real life a Cb > Cb pass can be messed up, different each time.... with assisted passing it cannot
 
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Matty_17 said:
you said fifas control scheme is 'not accurate representation of real football'. my whole point is that 1:1 realism doesnt matter if practicality is bad (how it actually works inside the game).

having the options to inidivudally change passing, shooting, crossing etc to assisted/manual/semi is GOOD!



its not realistic that one second you have heavily assisted passing and the next you dont. but THAT IS BESIDE THE POINT anyways... if you want to play the game that way, fine. but i want to play fully manual (like i said, to me that means the perfect balance freedom and player stats... right now FULL manual on this game is closer to that than 0/1/2 etc pass assistance)
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It really doesn't seem like you know what you're arguing for or against.
 
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romagnoli said:
It really doesn't seem like you know what you're arguing for or against.
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its pretty clear

im arguing against the need for a manual button because you should have the option to have every thing manual in the control settings.... basically, like fifa... which you said is a bad idea
 
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i woul like to pass with the dpad and move with face buttons
 
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No I didn't - so obviously it isn't clear. I said being stuck with what you've chosen in the controller settings is not as good as being able to choose which you use on the fly AND having the controller settings. Hitmanuk seemed to think that when I said FIFA should have a manual modifier, I meant instead of FIFA's control settings. I said nothing of the sort.
 
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romagnoli said:
No I didn't - so obviously it isn't clear. I said being stuck with what you've chosen in the controller settings is not as good as being able to choose which you use on the fly AND having the controller settings.
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i agreed with that already. but you dont need 'on the fly' if you're all manual in the first place! thats what ive been saying..
 
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IN pes 2012 I always played on 0 bar passing, but in this demo I feel that 1 bar is more confortable. IMO, on zero the game simply does not flow right, the user imput to get the right power is not right, it doesn't feel right. Even making simples passes towards player's feet on zero bar you have to hold down pass button more than it would be enough to reach him, that's why I'm using 1 bar, the game flows better.
 
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You agreed with it but carried on arguing against it, by raising points in its favour. At least you're back on track now.

Giving manual players an extra button would defeat the entire mantra of having that manual button in the first place - giving people access to more possibilities via a simple modifier, rather than isolating control. It would make more sense to get rid of the need for supercancel in those situations to begin with (you'll always need super cancel in a football game, but not at the exact point of contact that causes this conflict) or by improving how you perform a knock-on. That way you fix the problem for everyone, not just the tiny minority.
 
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I've come to the conclusion that shooting needs to be reigned in a bit. With a mate the other night, we both scored some right corkers. 35 yard half volleys with the laces, inch perfect chips, curled shots from the edge of the area.

It's nice in an arcadey sense, but not as satisfying once you're used to it. Given enough space around the box, nine times of out ten the better players will smash it into a corner. Is this true to real life? Maybe it'll balance out if defenders got a bit tigher, but at the moment I reckon it could do with toning down somewhat.

Absolutely loving dribbling btw. It's pure joy ripping the piss out of someone with a nutmeg. I disagree with the 'stumble bug' accusations, there's a good level of control when you're knocked off balance, and most of the time you're able to retain possession.
 
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Also, has there been any word on MLO or general online improvements? Konami tend to be hushed about these type of features, but I'd be interested to know if they've taken on any criticism from last year.
 
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DuduBR9 said:
IN pes 2012 I always played on 0 bar passing, but in this demo I feel that 1 bar is more confortable. IMO, on zero the game simply does not flow right, the user imput to get the right power is not right, it doesn't feel right. Even making simples passes towards player's feet on zero bar you have to hold down pass button more than it would be enough to reach him, that's why I'm using 1 bar, the game flows better.
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exactly, basically everybody will agree and some posted it already.
i made a point in the feedback thread lami started
 
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I'd be interested to know if online will actually work this year. Last year I couldn't even play an online game against my mate who lives less than a mile away without terrible lag and disconnects!
 
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romagnoli said:
No I didn't - so obviously it isn't clear. I said being stuck with what you've chosen in the controller settings is not as good as being able to choose which you use on the fly AND having the controller settings. Hitmanuk seemed to think that when I said FIFA should have a manual modifier, I meant instead of FIFA's control settings. I said nothing of the sort.
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Why are you two arguing about such an easy topic?

Obviously there are people like Matty who like to have manual passing (with stat-influence) for all passes, ie. as an option without the use of L2.

And obviously there are people like you who would like to have assisted passing (0-4 bars) with manual passing on L2.

So all Konami would have to do is to offer the options for both of you and all are happy.
 
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Bet you'd pick a secondhand tower up for 200-250 on ebay that would play pes2013 if not cheaper. New you'd be looking at 250-300.
 
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henrys hand said:
Why are you two arguing about such an easy topic?

Obviously there are people like Matty who like to have manual passing (with stat-influence) for all passes, ie. as an option without the use of L2.

And obviously there are people like you who would like to have assisted passing (0-4 bars) with manual passing on L2.

So all Konami would have to do is to offer the options for both of you and all are happy.
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exactly lol

its just a matter of more options in the controller setting

plus with the way i play it'd free up a button because the manual button would be useless
 
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