PES 2013 Discussion Thread
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I am feeling exactly the same and will also not bother with FIFA this year. So does anyone know the official release date for PES 2013 or is there not a definite one yet?
Look in patch section on forum on here im using jenkey 36 team patch.
I am feeling exactly the same and will also not bother with FIFA this year. So does anyone know the official release date for PES 2013 or is there not a definite one yet?
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
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Several sites seem to be pointing for a 14th September release
Several sites seem to be pointing for a 14th September release
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i disagree with you. they just need to implement tactics so you can tell if your player if they should be attacking or not. much simpler than any cards.
i disagree with you. they just need to implement tactics so you can tell if your player if they should be attacking or not. much simpler than any cards.
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue
Banned
- 9 October 2010
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that was in pes010 too with off-def switchy i wrote about
but u miss a point that there are several ways to go forward, hence the cards
overlapping, roaming, allrounder, that one card that reus from germany has, ...
that was in pes010 too with off-def switchy i wrote about
but u miss a point that there are several ways to go forward, hence the cards
overlapping, roaming, allrounder, that one card that reus from germany has, ...
henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
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You don't get it, the cards have much more intricate tactics involved than only "attacking/defense", it's a big timesaver and help. Not all people know or care that much about football to set these things themselves up.
The cards should stay as they make players on default behave similar to their real-life-versions. But I'm all for making it switch-on/off-able and for the implementation of a mechanism to instruct players individually.
You don't get it, the cards have much more intricate tactics involved than only "attacking/defense", it's a big timesaver and help. Not all people know or care that much about football to set these things themselves up.
The cards should stay as they make players on default behave similar to their real-life-versions. But I'm all for making it switch-on/off-able and for the implementation of a mechanism to instruct players individually.
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but they only act like that in real life because of their skills (stats) and that their manager chooses to use them that way. there is no magic card that makes a player play certain way at all times
so a player like messi who has say 99 awareness and positioning etc... if you put 'roaming' tactic on him then he will play that tactic very well.... put that roaming tactic on andy caroll and he will fail because his stats are bad
but they only act like that in real life because of their skills (stats) and that their manager chooses to use them that way. there is no magic card that makes a player play certain way at all times
so a player like messi who has say 99 awareness and positioning etc... if you put 'roaming' tactic on him then he will play that tactic very well.... put that roaming tactic on andy caroll and he will fail because his stats are bad
henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
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Yes, I agree, but what is your point?
I know that it is the coach (or more realistic a combination of coache's instruction and the inherent player's attitude) that makes players behave in a certain way on the pitch.
You want to be able to do the same in the game, to instruct players individually as a coach.
I understand and support that wish.
But what you don't get is that there many players out there not capable nor willing to do that coach-instruction-process. For them, it is a big convenience and help that there is the card-system that sets up the player on default to act similar to their real-life-version.
So it's best to keep the card-system and tell Konami to offer global and local switch-on-off-functions for the cards and to implement a system to instruct players individually.
That way everyone is happy.
Yes, I agree, but what is your point?
I know that it is the coach (or more realistic a combination of coache's instruction and the inherent player's attitude) that makes players behave in a certain way on the pitch.
You want to be able to do the same in the game, to instruct players individually as a coach.
I understand and support that wish.
But what you don't get is that there many players out there not capable nor willing to do that coach-instruction-process. For them, it is a big convenience and help that there is the card-system that sets up the player on default to act similar to their real-life-version.
So it's best to keep the card-system and tell Konami to offer global and local switch-on-off-functions for the cards and to implement a system to instruct players individually.
That way everyone is happy.
avok23
Championship
- 12 July 2005
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The card system was the dumbest way to implement individual instruction.
Anyone remember Wayne Rooney in the 2009/2010 season and before that? Before that he was basically a left midfielder who dropped back a lot always hard to work stupid hard to get goal scoring opportunities. When ronaldo left, Fergie said in many interviews that he told him to play more central and less back tracking Rooney went on to score bucket load of goals.
In pes right now when i play as England and i loose the ball in the final thrid Rooney sprints back to any random position on the field one time he ran from the opponents box to the right back position and i just turned off the stupid game.
In football manager i can tell him (not that i ever play England or ManUre) to position high up the feild not to press too much and not to drop back. He will do it 99% of the time.
In old pes i can control his defensive mentality. i can tell him what directions to make runs in. I can position him on the field and he will try to keep it. The team strategies also work (L2 + button), team settings like counter attack rate, pressing, offside frequency and defensive line where simple A,B,C options that you could always see the difference.
I can tell my players to man mark or cover. I can stop my midfielders from always making fwd runs and i can stop my DM from becoming a center back sweeper or the last man back. I can stop my SB from always running to the center when we loose possession and are being countered.
The game was not perfect but add the manual player select, responsive super cancel, manual goal keepers, option 5 manual crossing ad R3 manuals passing and lob (which you can use for set pieces and throw-ins as well), you could use your team to its full potential.
Pes 2008 you can control who went up for corners and players were often positioned well. Pes 2012-13 i cant get stupid sagna out of the box and podolski always at halfway line. I cant remove the stupid D wall. Just a bunch of dumb things konami do all the time. I never feel sorry for them. They dug their grave and its people like Adam and the WENB crew that a so blind that they'll keep on promoting it regardless.
The card system was the dumbest way to implement individual instruction.
Anyone remember Wayne Rooney in the 2009/2010 season and before that? Before that he was basically a left midfielder who dropped back a lot always hard to work stupid hard to get goal scoring opportunities. When ronaldo left, Fergie said in many interviews that he told him to play more central and less back tracking Rooney went on to score bucket load of goals.
In pes right now when i play as England and i loose the ball in the final thrid Rooney sprints back to any random position on the field one time he ran from the opponents box to the right back position and i just turned off the stupid game.
In football manager i can tell him (not that i ever play England or ManUre) to position high up the feild not to press too much and not to drop back. He will do it 99% of the time.
In old pes i can control his defensive mentality. i can tell him what directions to make runs in. I can position him on the field and he will try to keep it. The team strategies also work (L2 + button), team settings like counter attack rate, pressing, offside frequency and defensive line where simple A,B,C options that you could always see the difference.
I can tell my players to man mark or cover. I can stop my midfielders from always making fwd runs and i can stop my DM from becoming a center back sweeper or the last man back. I can stop my SB from always running to the center when we loose possession and are being countered.
The game was not perfect but add the manual player select, responsive super cancel, manual goal keepers, option 5 manual crossing ad R3 manuals passing and lob (which you can use for set pieces and throw-ins as well), you could use your team to its full potential.
Pes 2008 you can control who went up for corners and players were often positioned well. Pes 2012-13 i cant get stupid sagna out of the box and podolski always at halfway line. I cant remove the stupid D wall. Just a bunch of dumb things konami do all the time. I never feel sorry for them. They dug their grave and its people like Adam and the WENB crew that a so blind that they'll keep on promoting it regardless.
henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
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It's not dumb, it's just not well implemented. The card-system should be switch-on/off-able and a comprehensive system for individual instructions for those willing to use it should be in place.
It's not dumb, it's just not well implemented. The card-system should be switch-on/off-able and a comprehensive system for individual instructions for those willing to use it should be in place.
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so your arguement is not about my opinions on the system... but that people who cant be bothered manually changing things should have some help.
i still disagree on your point. if they need help then fine, put in an auto-select button with auto tactics or something - the card system is still a bad way to go about that.
personally i think if someone puts absolutely no effort into changing their tactics to how they want/to play to certain strengths, then they DESERVE the disadvantage in game. that is totally reasonable.
tactics are a big part of football... if someone totally leaves that out of their gameplan they will be at a disadvantage, just like if someone spends 100 hours on tactics but is actually still crap at the game itself then they will still be at a disadvantage... totally logical
so your arguement is not about my opinions on the system... but that people who cant be bothered manually changing things should have some help.
i still disagree on your point. if they need help then fine, put in an auto-select button with auto tactics or something - the card system is still a bad way to go about that.
personally i think if someone puts absolutely no effort into changing their tactics to how they want/to play to certain strengths, then they DESERVE the disadvantage in game. that is totally reasonable.
tactics are a big part of football... if someone totally leaves that out of their gameplan they will be at a disadvantage, just like if someone spends 100 hours on tactics but is actually still crap at the game itself then they will still be at a disadvantage... totally logical
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henrys hand
Premier League
- 2 September 2010
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Exactly.
Yes, many people need help with that. But an automatic coach can never get it right, as it's a very difficult process to set up the player's individually, the CPU is not clever enough to do that for us. That's why the card-system is necessary as with that Konami can set up the players to be similar to their real versions without needing the CPU to figure things out.
That may be reasonable for you, but for Konami it is not. They don't want to discourage the mass from playing and enjoying the game. It would be economic suicide.
Really, there needs to be a compromise, the card-system needs to stay, maybe better implemented, and it should be swith-on/off-able, editable... and a comprehensive mechanism to instruct players individually needs to be in place.
Exactly.
Yes, many people need help with that. But an automatic coach can never get it right, as it's a very difficult process to set up the player's individually, the CPU is not clever enough to do that for us. That's why the card-system is necessary as with that Konami can set up the players to be similar to their real versions without needing the CPU to figure things out.
That may be reasonable for you, but for Konami it is not. They don't want to discourage the mass from playing and enjoying the game. It would be economic suicide.
Really, there needs to be a compromise, the card-system needs to stay, maybe better implemented, and it should be swith-on/off-able, editable... and a comprehensive mechanism to instruct players individually needs to be in place.
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avok23
Championship
- 12 July 2005
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100% agree. If you dont want to read the mannual or put some brain into the game then the game should stop helping you by trying to simplifying its settings. You should lose by default all the time.
100% agree. If you dont want to read the mannual or put some brain into the game then the game should stop helping you by trying to simplifying its settings. You should lose by default all the time.
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its what football is about... tactics and then on field play
its not like if you have good tactics then you will win 10-0 every game, it just means you will have an extra weapon available, which if you are good enough you can use
pes has always been a game to me where its easy to play but hard to master... if someone spends the time on their tactics, or spends time mastering the R3 off the ball runs, or spends their time mastering manual shooting, then they will reap the benefits... likewise.. someone who puts in absolutely no effort will reap the disadvantages.... it only logical
its what football is about... tactics and then on field play
its not like if you have good tactics then you will win 10-0 every game, it just means you will have an extra weapon available, which if you are good enough you can use
pes has always been a game to me where its easy to play but hard to master... if someone spends the time on their tactics, or spends time mastering the R3 off the ball runs, or spends their time mastering manual shooting, then they will reap the benefits... likewise.. someone who puts in absolutely no effort will reap the disadvantages.... it only logical
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue
Banned
- 9 October 2010
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@henry(the other guys kinda dont get it)
i see only one good point about not switch-able cards, on MLO if u dont look at the cards u can build up a team that looks monster on paper but plays like crap due to cards not matching each other well, so its about team building
if ones dont care be prepared to have a not balanced team
havent playd MLO in 011 nor playd 012 at all, but im sure its like it
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on a side note, its sad they removed man mark and covering card
@henry(the other guys kinda dont get it)
i see only one good point about not switch-able cards, on MLO if u dont look at the cards u can build up a team that looks monster on paper but plays like crap due to cards not matching each other well, so its about team building
if ones dont care be prepared to have a not balanced team
havent playd MLO in 011 nor playd 012 at all, but im sure its like it
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on a side note, its sad they removed man mark and covering card
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Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
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Just pre-ordered PES 2013 (PC) on ShopTo.net for £18.85.
Good price, I think.
Just pre-ordered PES 2013 (PC) on ShopTo.net for £18.85.
Good price, I think.
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AntrAcsA
Banned
- 8 November 2006
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Yea, that is.. 25 euro ?
I will wait first online mode news before buying .
Yea, that is.. 25 euro ?
I will wait first online mode news before buying .
ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue
Banned
- 9 October 2010
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after the (player switch - crossing abuse) glitching online mode PES2010 which occured weeks after release, i dont buy pre release, not even at release
better wait atleast half a month and look in forums hows online going
after the (player switch - crossing abuse) glitching online mode PES2010 which occured weeks after release, i dont buy pre release, not even at release
better wait atleast half a month and look in forums hows online going
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cracking price, think i'll have to do the same
cracking price, think i'll have to do the same
zeemeister
foxy engine
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LOL you played PES at all?
Allout defense
its in the tactics menu press start mid game to change it, or you can put it on an assigned formation and use it on the fly.
Or there's another plan - substitutions. It works pretty well to bring on another player who concentrates on defence.
Please, please, please don't mess with PES individuality or take us back to the dark ages of PES 6 where you could buy a 16 year old CB and have him flying up and down the flank with gay abandon not needing to sign another for many years.
Also did you know there is shaded areas that players have a tendency to operate in? It is a remarkable tool to ensure you play players in the right positions and not wonder why your players tend to the middle rather than overlap on the wings.
All part of that wonder word I N D I V I D U A L I T Y
LOL you played PES at all?
Allout defense
its in the tactics menu press start mid game to change it, or you can put it on an assigned formation and use it on the fly.Or there's another plan - substitutions. It works pretty well to bring on another player who concentrates on defence.
Please, please, please don't mess with PES individuality or take us back to the dark ages of PES 6 where you could buy a 16 year old CB and have him flying up and down the flank with gay abandon not needing to sign another for many years.
Also did you know there is shaded areas that players have a tendency to operate in? It is a remarkable tool to ensure you play players in the right positions and not wonder why your players tend to the middle rather than overlap on the wings.
All part of that wonder word I N D I V I D U A L I T Y
avok23
Championship
- 12 July 2005
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Slaps zeemeister
Slaps zeemeister
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yeah and alves would still be running up the wing thanks to his card
so instead of individual instructions we should just sub players? terrible comprimise
why would that happen? a 16 year old is presumably rubbish stat wise and so could never achieve this
isnt that what stats are for?
LOL you played PES at all?
Allout defense
yeah and alves would still be running up the wing thanks to his card
so instead of individual instructions we should just sub players? terrible comprimise
why would that happen? a 16 year old is presumably rubbish stat wise and so could never achieve this
isnt that what stats are for?
zeemeister
foxy engine
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*looks - blinks - rubs eyes - scratches arse - walks away*
*looks - blinks - rubs eyes - scratches arse - walks away*
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my eyes were itching but my arse was fine mate
my eyes were itching but my arse was fine mate
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i do not think that was ever possible in PES. The only games I have seen this work is 2k hockey and basketball.. even in dynasty
i do not think that was ever possible in PES. The only games I have seen this work is 2k hockey and basketball.. even in dynasty
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It could be a Placebo so i'm going to switch to PS3 and have a game, but i think the patch has made it harder, on console demo if i'm CR7 and i get the ball i can out run almost any player. Not on unlocked 36 patch. So i will try it and post back.
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
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Don't drag him into this, he never visits the PES section.
Don't drag him into this, he never visits the PES section.
romagnoli
Misses Retri
- 7 August 2004
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You probably don't even need to be able to switch cards off - you need to be able to tell a player to rein in their particular playing personality, but their tactical discipline (which at the moment would probably be a combination of attack, defence and teamwork) should determine how well they listen.
This. The card system is used in both FM and FIFA, in ever so slightly different guises.
You probably don't even need to be able to switch cards off - you need to be able to tell a player to rein in their particular playing personality, but their tactical discipline (which at the moment would probably be a combination of attack, defence and teamwork) should determine how well they listen.