PES 2013 Discussion Thread

[Thespeedster84]

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yeah calcio, i remember on the demo.. having decent sideback that is clever and has tendency to overlap when the situation needed compared to average one that sometimes just jog slowly and does not overlap enough.

If we have such an instruction to reduce the decent one from performing frequent overlap, so what would be different in terms of player individuality then ?

I would prefer konami fine-tuning to differentiate player individuality even more. But can make a good balance from team instruction. At least, i have tried to play around with attack/defense minded (LT + Dpad up/down) it works quite well so that my overlapping SB would come back quicker if possesion change. At the same time other player too.

In above situation, if individuality is boosted even more, we can see which SB has better awareness, hence we'll keep looking at transfer window to find the one that fits us.

 

[Matty_17]

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If we have such an instruction to reduce the decent one from performing frequent overlap, so what would be different in terms of player individuality then ?

i think those cards are stupid and not nessecary

it should be the managers choice to tell his player if he should be over lapping or not. NOT the players choice.... he should be judged on his stats and thats it

the only reason, say, dani alves over laps in real life a lot is because HE IS GOOD AT ATTACKING... and so barca use him to be attacking. simple

the difference you ask? well if you ask john terry to be overlap a lot as a RB compared to dani alves, then since terrys atacking stats are bad he will fail as an attacking RB but alves will not... thats the difference

 

[AntrAcsA]

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I agree with people who claim that the game is bit easier compared to previous two games. I think this is due because of improved defense system , better responsible , better shots and less scripting .
But I think this is demanded by Konami, a game as it is accessible, well absorbable, it appeals to more people is available to more players. PES 2011 - 2012 lost many players, fans, consumers here and lost lots of money because of theirs unjustified difficulty, difficulty achieved by scripting, cheat A.I, and to some lack of logic .

 

[Thespeedster84]

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i think those cards are stupid and not nessecary

it should be the managers choice to tell his player if he should be over lapping or not. NOT the players choice.... he should be judged on his stats and thats it

the only reason, say, dani alves over laps in real life a lot is because HE IS GOOD AT ATTACKING... and so barca use him to be attacking. simple

the difference you ask? well if you ask john terry to be overlap a lot as a RB compared to dani alves, then since terrys atacking stats are bad he will fail as an attacking RB but alves will not... thats the difference

Okay, so if this sb stats is not good enough for ovelapping but we force him to.. he is not going to do it properly, yes ? See, it is simply the same.

By default, decent SB with overlapping skill will do it better, then if we have this SB why should we limit his ability to do less overlap when attacking by manual instruction ? Isn't his overlapping skill one of the reason we buy him in transfer in ML for example ?

I am guessing it is merely the idea of Konami removing this arrow, so that by default the individuality shines and we instruct the team as a whole.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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ISNT THE POINT OF A MANAGER!?!!!?!?!!!? to shape the team how he wants?

but you cant!!!!!! you have to play to your players strengths!!!! thats the point of tactics!!! only bad managers are going to instruct their iniestas to play like their carrolls.... aka... NOT play to their players strengths i think you are completely missing the point of what tactics are meant to do...

Yes - the manager shapes a team how he wants them to play. There ALREADY are team tactics, albeit limited. What you guys are asking is specific player instructions. Now while a coach might tell players what to do, once out on the field, players have to make split second decisions and they don't always align with what the coach has asked of them. This is why their stats are more relevant than specific instructions.

Iniesta play like Carroll...well you're the one wanting to implement the ability to make that choice aren't you?

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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Okay, so if this sb stats is not good enough for ovelapping but we force him to.. he is not going to do it properly, yes ? See, it is simply the same.

By default, decent SB with overlapping skill will do it better, then if we have this SB why should we limit his ability to do less overlap when attacking by manual instruction ? Isn't his overlapping skill one of the reason we buy him in transfer in ML for example ?

I am guessing it is merely the idea of Konami removing this arrow, so that by default the individuality shines and we instruct the team as a whole.

That's right. Otherwise, what's the point of player ID...it's not just for the animations.

 

[hitmanuk]

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With the patches and the camera mod this came is enjoyable..First PES in years..my only wish for the final version is that the ball becomes more freer when dribbling...it occasionally just stops when in flow for the player whos on the ball to catch up

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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i think those cards are stupid and not nessecary

it should be the managers choice to tell his player if he should be over lapping or not. NOT the players choice.... he should be judged on his stats and thats it

the only reason, say, dani alves over laps in real life a lot is because HE IS GOOD AT ATTACKING... and so barca use him to be attacking. simple

the difference you ask? well if you ask john terry to be overlap a lot as a RB compared to dani alves, then since terrys atacking stats are bad he will fail as an attacking RB but alves will not... thats the difference

And I ask, why would you want the ability through sliders to have John Terry go forward when you know very well he doesn't do that well?

It's killing the sense of realism just because users want full choice.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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With the patches and the camera mod this came is enjoyable..First PES in years..my only wish for the final version is that the ball becomes more freer when dribbling...it occasionally just stops when in flow for the player whos on the ball to catch up

Show us a clip of your camera angle. I'm jealous

 

[Matty_17]

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By default, decent SB with overlapping skill will do it better, then if we have this SB why should we limit his ability to do less overlap when attacking by manual instruction ? Isn't his overlapping skill one of the reason we buy him in transfer in ML for example ?

umm.. i think youre missing my point. im saying there shouldnt be a 'overlapping card'... it should all be done by stats... so if he has things like good stamina, good crossing, pace etc. then he will be good as an attacking full back... and that is why you would buy him

the overlapping card actually makes NO sense because, like i said, the only reason players like alves attack is BECAUSE of they are good at it(their stats) and so their managers INSTRUCT them to attack.... they dont just attack on a whim... the manager sees that strength and uses it... to have this arbitary card is pointless.... IT SHOULD BE DONE BY MANAGER INSTRUCTIONS.... what if you DONT want alves to attack? and want to be ultra defensive? why should this stupid card of his make him defy your tactics? the only reason he has this card is because of in real life he is INSTRUCTED to attack... the card is pointless!!!


it should all be about stats and your tactics... no silly power ups

 

[Matty_17]

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Yes - the manager shapes a team how he wants them to play. There ALREADY are team tactics, albeit limited. What you guys are asking is specific player instructions. Now while a coach might tell players what to do, once out on the field, players have to make split second decisions and they don't always align with what the coach has asked of them. This is why their stats are more relevant than specific instructions.

Iniesta play like Carroll...well you're the one wanting to implement the ability to make that choice aren't you?

yes, you are entirely correct. i totally agree with that.

 

[Matty_17]

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And I ask, why would you want the ability through sliders to have John Terry go forward when you know very well he doesn't do that well?

It's killing the sense of realism just because users want full choice.

what, you mean to have full control over player selections and instructions? why WOULDNT i want that?

if someone is using johnn terry as a wing back then they have made a terrible choice and will be punished for it - LIKE IN REAL LIFE.

 

[CalcioCalabrese]

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But you can put him there already. The team instructions and where you drag him on the pitch will have an impact as well.

Don't think the current engine would allow that extra push but who am I to know what it's capable of.

 

[michael4321]

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I gave pes13demo once again chance yesterday and after few matches I came back to fifa12 - and I have to tell you this was like a bomb on my head ... once again I see how far away is konami - this pes maybe looks nice but I cant feel real football match when playing, I dont want to play it again like fifa. For me this year for pes is another fault. I dont think that konami will make a big step when they will release full pes13 (however they tried to make something good - gameplay is a little better than last 7 years). I know how many of us (milions of players) would like to change pes ourselves because we have idea and know how to do it, but, lets say it - konami are stupid programists: for 7 years they moved back instead of developing pes 6.
And, oh yes, I was a big fan of pes6 and I have to repeat - the only way to have great pes and to beat fifa for years is to take gameplay engine from pes6, make small corrections and take graphic and look from pes13 + totally new sound made by someone who know what is match atmosphere (not another konami stupid programist - after goal little ,,yeah'' like 70 year-old grandmothers crowd).
Thank you and wish you many great hours playing amator-evolution-soccer, I wish myself another great weeks with fifa12 and fantastic new season with fifa13 ... crying of what happend to pes6 (it was a big possibility for konami to have pes07...13 from another planet).

 

[Thespeedster84]

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And I ask, why would you want the ability through sliders to have John Terry go forward when you know very well he doesn't do that well?

It's killing the sense of realism just because users want full choice.

Agree, in perfect realisation of individuality it is very nice indeed in the end. But man, i just tried to exchange terry and cole for the sake of discussion with default tactics.

It seems that pro active ai still has limitation in the sense that whenever john terry look at empty space in the sidelines he will run high at the sideline but only at slower pace. Issues will arise in this situation :

1. If the individuality by itself define that terry should not frequently go up high if he found empty space, we'll probably end up with annoying thing and swearing to him hoping that there is a run button. But, pro active ai eliminates the need of run button already.

2. If we can prevent him from going high through manual instruction, we'll end up having to pause the play going into gameplan to readjust. If it's possible to have on-the fly instruction to increase the tendency for a player it might be nice to have but end-up with too much button combo configuration.

Note that i have not tried adjusting team attacking/defensive minded as we speak regarding those situation, i will play around later with available tactic,strategy, player positioning to look at the effect.

umm.. i think youre missing my point. im saying there shouldnt be a 'overlapping card'... it should all be done by stats... so if he has things like good stamina, good crossing, pace etc. then he will be good as an attacking full back... and that is why you would buy him

the overlapping card actually makes NO sense because, like i said, the only reason players like alves attack is BECAUSE of they are good at it(their stats) and so their managers INSTRUCT them to attack.... they dont just attack on a whim... the manager sees that strength and uses it... to have this arbitary card is pointless.... IT SHOULD BE DONE BY MANAGER INSTRUCTIONS.... what if you DONT want alves to attack? and want to be ultra defensive? why should this stupid card of his make him defy your tactics? the only reason he has this card is because of in real life he is INSTRUCTED to attack... the card is pointless!!!

it should all be about stats and your tactics... no silly power ups

Okay, make sense to me

 

[Lons]

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I gave pes13demo once again chance yesterday and after few matches I came back to fifa12 - and I have to tell you this was like a bomb on my head ... once again I see how far away is konami - this pes maybe looks nice but I cant feel real football match when playing, I dont want to play it again like fifa. For me this year for pes is another fault. I dont think that konami will make a big step when they will release full pes13 (however they tried to make something good - gameplay is a little better than last 7 years). I know how many of us (milions of players) would like to change pes ourselves because we have idea and know how to do it, but, lets say it - konami are stupid programists: for 7 years they moved back instead of developing pes 6.
And, oh yes, I was a big fan of pes6 and I have to repeat - the only way to have great pes and to beat fifa for years is to take gameplay engine from pes6, make small corrections and take graphic and look from pes13 + totally new sound made by someone who know what is match atmosphere (not another konami stupid programist - after goal little ,,yeah'' like 70 year-old grandmothers crowd).
Thank you and wish you many great hours playing amator-evolution-soccer, I wish myself another great weeks with fifa12 and fantastic new season with fifa13 ... crying of what happend to pes6 (it was a big possibility for konami to have pes07...13 from another planet).

How many times you will write the same BS on Pes 2013 thread? Ok we know you are FIFA lover. Fifa is the best football game ever. Go to FIFA thread or Fifa forums. It's looks like you have very big complexes of the Pes It's ridiculous when FIFA lovers come here all the time and want tell us in which game we should play and which game is the best ever. What a BS

 

[michael4321]

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name of thread - ,,PES 2013 Discussion Thread''.
I can write even 1000 times what I feel about pes13, dont be master of this forum, respect others opinions. I read other posts and dont even say s**t about them (even when I see 5th time similar opinion).
End of this subject (dont reply).

 

[ccshopland]

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After hours of demo gameplay, it still falls short of my modded PES 2012 with Jenkey's. It's a wait for demo 2 for me, but I can't see anything being overhauled drastically. If this is the case then I'll be happy to play 2012 until the new engine.

 

[avok23]

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I'm not moaning at constructive criticism. But there's a thread for that. This to me sounds like thinking out loud. I'm sure I read Adam saying something quite anti "arrows" on the WENB thread.

Of course I want the game to progress - but posting a wish list is different to telling Konami where the demo is good and where it is bad.

Adam is not the messaih. I tend to disagree with him all the time. WENB fans are not the standard either. Football is the standard and what ever design implementation that helps convey the best for of foot ball is always welcomed. And i do not give a rat's behind what that site thinks.

avok23 - what you're asking for is removing all player individuality though. To go against all their natural tendency just because you want them to do something.

FIFA has options like that in custom tactics and I never see a player getting to the edge of the box lol. Forwards who press defenders but never drop back will more than likely get caught offside a lot. If you've told them to never drop back and the AI pushes up - you're overriding your forwards intelligence in recognising where the defensive line is.

You're right - big target men don't really make runs. That's why you play to their strengths. Maybe a CM doesn't make runs into the box because he can't shoot well or because it's not in his natural game. What you want is to make players play EXACTLY the way you want, instead of respecting their personality.

Master League and MLO would be boring this way wouldn't it? No longer would you look for a forward with particular strengths, if you can mould anyone into the style of player you want.

What? Dude wtf are you saying? so when managers move to a club they dont tell the players to play a specific way cos they fear they will loose individuality? I dont get where you come up with all this crap. Have you ever played Football manager? If you have you would know that instructions are not carried out 100% like robots and the stupid trait cards in pes that never understands context. Instructions are often carried out to the best of the players ability unless something else comes up. Physical, technical and mental attributes will inhibit the effectiveness of the instruction also.
BTW never speak of fifa's custom tactics cos that thing is more useless than Konami's and it is not individual either. You are just hell bent on disagreeing and keep coming up with fluff to counter my argument. Its silly. think about it before you reply.

 

[AntrAcsA]

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I gave pes13demo once again chance yesterday and after few matches I came back to fifa12 - and I have to tell you this was like a bomb on my head ... once again I see how far away is konami - this pes maybe looks nice but I cant feel real football match when playing, I dont want to play it again like fifa. For me this year for pes is another fault. I dont think that konami will make a big step when they will release full pes13 (however they tried to make something good - gameplay is a little better than last 7 years). I know how many of us (milions of players) would like to change pes ourselves because we have idea and know how to do it, but, lets say it - konami are stupid programists: for 7 years they moved back instead of developing pes 6.
And, oh yes, I was a big fan of pes6 and I have to repeat - the only way to have great pes and to beat fifa for years is to take gameplay engine from pes6, make small corrections and take graphic and look from pes13 + totally new sound made by someone who know what is match atmosphere (not another konami stupid programist - after goal little ,,yeah'' like 70 year-old grandmothers crowd).
Thank you and wish you many great hours playing amator-evolution-soccer, I wish myself another great weeks with fifa12 and fantastic new season with fifa13 ... crying of what happend to pes6 (it was a big possibility for konami to have pes07...13 from another planet).

This is ridiculous And lies ... If you are play a lot PES 2013 demo and after that turn to FIFA 12, you will shock how FAR IS FIFA FROM REAL FOOTBALL ! I'm was !
God, not even a basis for comparison ... Speed​​, control, plays, thought,ball physics , vision for football in PES 2013 is several times better than FIFA ... Yeah, FIFA is great fun game. Has fun tricks, funny impact engine bugs with kick my ass from laugh but... its not football
With this simple statement telling how far are you from the PES and football .

 

[gerd]

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This is ridiculous And lies ... If you are play a lot PES 2013 demo and after that turn to FIFA 12, you will shock how FAR IS FIFA FROM REAL FOOTBALL ! I'm was !
God, not even a basis for comparison ... Speed​​, control, plays, thought, vision for football in PES 2013 is several times better than FIFA ...
With this simple statement telling how far are you from the PES and football .

I tend to agree or agree with the both of you.
I'm not the person to analyse a game on the basis of a 10 minutes demo, but after having played both the demo of PES13 and Fifa12, here is what i'm thinking.

You have to play PES like real football. A goal in PES is build like when you play real football.

But (and this may seem a strange conclusion) FIFA12 is clearly the better GAME. One of the reasons is the fact that it is less frstrating than PES (even if IMO PES13 demo is a big step forward).

I buy both games, and as a customer i feel better treated by FIFA (and now i'm comparing with the last retail version: PES12, for me an extremely frustrating game after the good PES11). I'm 50 years old (yes) and i have a very busy professional life. Hence i can't be bothered to edit all the teams, for me the license thing is a big asset for FIFA (at the time of the very good PES games and the very bad FIFA games it never was an issue). Besides that i see all these post of the big PES fans and it strikes me that most of them play PES with patches...Conclusion: PES' retail version and this demo is not good enough for them, otherwise they would play it out of the box.

Am i biased? Yes, people on this forum tend to think i'm a big PES fanboy.

What do i think? I want both games to be as good as possible since i buy them both. But this year me and my kids played FIFA12 for 90% of the time. Last year we favoured PES11. Do i influence my kids? I don't think so...

 

[Tim7]

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Got PES 2013 demo working on my MacBook Pro! Runs surprisingly well too. Looking forward to applying some patches and tweaks tonight to play with more teams and longer matches and make it look a lot nicer!

 

[henrys hand]

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it should all be about stats and your tactics... no silly power ups

I have also a little aversion to the whole cards-system, but I think it's in the game to make it easier to set up a team. Not everyone is capable and willing to take enough time to do all the micro-managing themselves and tell all players exactly how to play...

Of course there could be an automatic manager to do that, but without the cards specifically noting the strenghts and best plays, the automatic manager would probably not make the right decisions.

But I see your point that some people want actually to do all micro-managing/coaching themselves.

So I suggest that the card-system stays intact but that there should be an option to switch it off in the menu if one wants to instruct the players themselves. Maybe there should be two switches, one global to switch on/off all cards at once and one for every individual player in his menu so that one can decide to switch off the cards only for specific players and instruct them while keeping the rest on default...

How about that?

 

[hitmanuk]

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How many times you will write the same BS on Pes 2013 thread? Ok we know you are FIFA lover. Fifa is the best football game ever. Go to FIFA thread or Fifa forums. It's looks like you have very big complexes of the Pes It's ridiculous when FIFA lovers come here all the time and want tell us in which game we should play and which game is the best ever. What a BS

You can also argue the people on this forum who call the game "perfect" .which it clearly isn't

 

[hitmanuk]

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Show us a clip of your camera angle. I'm jealous

I'll upload one later ..its like the FIFA dynamic camera with a bit more angle

 

[henrys hand]

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After hours of demo gameplay, it still falls short of my modded PES 2012 with Jenkey's. It's a wait for demo 2 for me, but I can't see anything being overhauled drastically. If this is the case then I'll be happy to play 2012 until the new engine.

Yes, but I imagine that PES 2013 with all the mods later on will be quite a bit better than PES 2012 with all the mods.

 

[henrys hand]

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You can also argue the people on this forum who call the game "perfect" .which it clearly isn't

Perfect? There is no game on this planet that is perfect, all have issues. PES 2013 has issues and Fifa 12 has them and Fifa 13 will have them as well. The point is only which issues everyone individually can tolerate and which not and decide accordingly what to play in the long run. There is no right and wrong, it's all subjective.

 

[AntrAcsA]

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I tend to agree or agree with the both of you.
I'm not the person to analyse a game on the basis of a 10 minutes demo, but after having played both the demo of PES13 and Fifa12, here is what i'm thinking.

You have to play PES like real football. A goal in PES is build like when you play real football.

But (and this may seem a strange conclusion) FIFA12 is clearly the better GAME. One of the reasons is the fact that it is less frstrating than PES (even if IMO PES13 demo is a big step forward).

I buy both games, and as a customer i feel better treated by FIFA (and now i'm comparing with the last retail version: PES12, for me an extremely frustrating game after the good PES11). I'm 50 years old (yes) and i have a very busy professional life. Hence i can't be bothered to edit all the teams, for me the license thing is a big asset for FIFA (at the time of the very good PES games and the very bad FIFA games it never was an issue). Besides that i see all these post of the big PES fans and it strikes me that most of them play PES with patches...Conclusion: PES' retail version and this demo is not good enough for them, otherwise they would play it out of the box.

Am i biased? Yes, people on this forum tend to think i'm a big PES fanboy.

What do i think? I want both games to be as good as possible since i buy them both. But this year me and my kids played FIFA12 for 90% of the time. Last year we favoured PES11. Do i influence my kids? I don't think so...

100 % agree ! FIFA is good game, fun game , kids love it . Good online modes, cool tricks... is just fun . But if you want more realistic experience, you play on PES. Its easy !
This year ... Konami try to make realistic and fun game , that why PES 2013 is easier , they must make better online mode and better FL mode .

 

[Wilko22]

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*points to signature*



If anything people should be pointing out the positives of the alternative game and seeing if they can be implemented into "their game" (Oh, but that would be copying and that is forbidden!), but instead they're more intent on doing the opposite.

 

[AIR92]

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is zero bar manual? I noticed that passes now have a yellow power bar like pressing L2 with the other bars, and it also applies to long balls too. Only crosses are assisted. The passes go exactly where i want and there is a greater emphasis on hitting the power right. I'm kinda confused, people are saying that zero bar isn't fully manual. Either way, it really opens up the game for me, especially with everything else manual, even with off-the ball controls.