Re: PES 2013 Discussion Thread .......
This is getting off topic, but i'll give it one more try. Normally, i'm very rarely getting into argument with people. This time, somehow, it struck the nerve.
So, the tone of your posts is condescending, because i'm afraid that i might be wrong?! That's your answer...? I'm sorry, but this is bullshit. Makes no sense whatsoever.
I've been wrong so many times before, i stopped being afraid of it long time ago. Will never dismiss a point of view just because it's different from mine. However, i do take exception to the manner in which something is being said. And that's the problem with your posts. If you read carefully, you'll notice i'm not the only one here calling that out.
You haven't actually said anything here. This seems to be politically forum correct rant.
It's 'struck' a nerve, why so? Getting angry and emotion doesn't make you right.
No, not because of what you say, but because of how you say it. I already explained - see above.
Now, about your point that maybe we are being too negative:
I think this is such a broad and generic statement, that it almost has no real meaning...
This is my point, your doing the same as info, you seem to think everything is an argument. Your trying to combat everything i say without understanding and entering a friendly debate, as if like you said about it's all 'bullshit' what i say.
I can say to anyone that you are being too negative, however that is my opinion, what i ask is the intention and how the intention for you opinions where formed. If you saying the same things, over and over again, there's something people are simply not accepting, to find the correct conclusion to move and build from.
Thats is what questioning yourself is about, it's something many people don't do, not something you should feel threatened by since you will still be forming your own opinion, just with more balance and substance.
I like to discuss more than argue.
Do you take into account every single person who posted their opinion here? Yes, some are very negative, and without much substance, but mostly emotion. Some other posts, on the contrary, are very substantial, with good detailed explanations and suggestions for improvement. Yes, those are negative as well, because people are frustrated, and rightfully so.
I said before, i pointed out the way LTFC listed faults in PES, along with Zee just a few pages ago fit this category, Jamez does this well, along with many others. What is your point here?
You seem to be promoting this approach of "it's just a game, chill and enjoy what you've been given". Of course, that's one way to look at things. But many people take a different point of view, and when they see that year after year the game they spend their money on is not getting any better, and that their feedback is largely being ignored, they don't hold back the criticism.
Throughout my posts i have said if you do not enjoy the game, you have a right to complain about it, throughout i have said i'm not forcing you to like anything, it's your money, you do what you feel with it and you can complain if you want.
I simply remind and present to everyone the important of remaining objective and balanced through their wishes, be mindful when your negativity takes an entity itself. It doesn't just help you, it helps everyone else.
Sorry again if i sound condescending when i see people calling out and looking to belittle anyone who doesn't share their negative opinion. Throughout you have refuse to acknowledge how people who are upset with the game will have unknowing even to them the intention to make others unhappy with the game so they can 'feel' their disappointment. How else am i supposed to say this exactly?
One perspective never talked about is how old problems requested apart from keepers have been fixed and Konami have specified them by fans to do so. However new elements being added cause new problems.
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