PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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Maybe the boots did the same thing in PES2012 but we never really noticed it? In PES2012 edit mode if you change boots you can see their stats (accuracy, acceleration, swerve etc.) :P
 
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why this all fifa BS talk in here? this is PES thread if you want to say how great fifa is go to fifa section and say what ever you want.
 
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It's all opinions guys, beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. For me, this iteration of PES is mind blowing. If you watched the Real-City game last night you'd understand that Pro Evo is replicating the game of football, almost to a tee. I'm not talking about fun here guys, I'm purely interesting in the replication of real life football. It is not end to end, it is fast sometimes, and it's also walking pace at others. A sim also needs to have an element of frustration in it, otherwise it wouldn't be a sim.

FIFA may be 'fun' this year and yes it gets the pulse racing with it's end to end action fest. BUT - PES has it beat in so many areas on the pitch especially replicating patterns of attack, positional play defensive units pressuring/not pressuring that it is truly not only on another level, but on another world.

FIFA is like this - A to B to C to D and with each pass of the ball you create another field position of individual battles. Because of its grid like one on one structure, it completely overlooks issues of utmost importance in football, the tactics and player positioning both in attack and especially in defence.

Watch the game last night. It's not one on one battles strewn all over the pitch, it's players passing to players and the entire defensive structure of the defending team moving with the pass, one guy may pressure, he may not. The group may pressure, they may not. It's purely contextual in PES this year with an appreciation of a multitude of variables - the pass, the pass accuracy, where the receiving player is on the pitch, whether they have been stretched or not etc etc. You pass the ball quickly up to the front this year (both for the human and the CPU) and you'd better be prepared to come back infield and look for support or you'll get hounded out.

PES' defensive AI really is streets ahead, so is the attacking AI for that matter. Merge these two things together and you have a game that is moving all the time both structurally (again both for the CPU and the human) creating a different field picture with every pass, with every body shift, with every sprint into space.

FIFA is just static. So, so static. I could close my eyes and know exactly where the players will be on the pitch. It's this static/fixed nature of FIFA, that lets it down badly thus creating the ease of which players and CPU can just get through the midfield. All the sugar coating, all the graphics/animations, all the little add ons still don't fix the problem that KONAMI has just nailed the positional play in PES with regards to pressuring and non-pressuring and positional play. It's what makes PES so non-linear.

An example would be, if I pass the ball to Robben in the wrong context say on the wing, the initial CPU defender (his marker) will try to get on him like a flash if the context is all wrong for me to take him on, pressure would be ramped. If I haven't worked the move correctly Robben would have his marker coming towards him, then behind him two or three of his team-mates waiting giving the defender support. I either try and foolishly take him on and two others behind him or play the ball backwards and try and create another opening. So I play the ball back.

But, if I engineer a nice midfield move that allows Robben some space on the wing, it's a totally different ball game. Robben may now be one on one, and there is no way the CPU defender will pressure and come towards him, he has to drop back, and back, and back maybe risking a challenge but almost certainly trying to steer the player into a non-threatening position.

Positional context guys.

You may only get this chance one a game (much like Ronaldo had space finally last night to hit the winner), but it is so satisfying because it is purely contextual.

In FIFA, this never happens. Ever. The spacings all always the same. The pressure levels are always the same. There is no variation in pressure levels or defending intelligence in terms of where the player is on the pitch and the context which got them there. It's just grid 1-2-3-4-5 until you, or the CPU, works its way to the edge of the box.

Until FIFA replicate the structure of a football match, which is in essence the biggest part of the game, I can only see myself playing PES. I cannot put this demo down. You can play slow or fast, you can play patient small passing or long ball. You can press high or drop deep. Tactically, the sliders I believe this year will come into their own with the game forcing you to play a certain way against the top sides.

I can't wait til release. I really can't. A current change of house has also seen my living room structure change and I'm now closer to my 50" plasma than ever....the game looks, feels and plays so good.

If KONAMI fk the retail version up this year I'm personally going to KONAMI HQ to blow the lot of them up. I don't even mind going to jail for it.
 
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For me, the final code is more like PES 12 than the previous two demos. It's still a great game but cant help feeling a little disappointed since I loved demo 1 so much. PS3 user btw
 
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Rossi1000 said:
covering option was good from old pes gen

if your right back or centre back were out of position and you had covering dmf he would slot in take control of that position till your rb woke up and realised he was far to up the field

good option that one from old gen pes
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One of the most important, effective and over looked features during the PS2 days, I still miss it.
 
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The general feel of the play...it's odd, my two best mates both agreed too. We played a full game on retail, demo 2 then demo 1 then back to retail. For me demo 1 should have been the direction this year.
 
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CalcioCalabrese said:
In what ways is it like PES 12?
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cpu AI - straightforward and lacking of variety in attacking. In a different way tho. Also quite messy defenders positioning, lack of covering wing of overlapping side back.
 
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So we need to make Demo 1 gameplay and apply to retail? Well done KONAMI!!!
 
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shopto have sent my game!
Will be here tomorrow
 
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bluemonkeymagic said:
For me, the final code is more like PES 12 than the previous two demos. It's still a great game but cant help feeling a little disappointed since I loved demo 1 so much. PS3 user btw
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If this is true. Then Ill go mad. I hated PES12 with a passion.
 
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ccshopland said:
It's all opinions guys, beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess. For me, this iteration of PES is mind blowing. If you watched the Real-City game last night you'd understand that Pro Evo is replicating the game of football, almost to a tee. I'm not talking about fun here guys, I'm purely interesting in the replication of real life football. It is not end to end, it is fast sometimes, and it's also walking pace at others. A sim also needs to have an element of frustration in it, otherwise it wouldn't be a sim.

FIFA may be 'fun' this year and yes it gets the pulse racing with it's end to end action fest.
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We must be playing different versions of these games. PES AI still wants to play basketball and flat out charges up front whenever it gets the ball, whereas FIFA AI does knock it around a bit and look for space.

I can't agree with people who watch real matches and say PES reflects that. Maybe playing against humans, but certainly not the AI. To me, it's the equivalent of playing a 10yr old online who chooses Real Madrid just to pass it to Ronaldo and sprint the whole way down the pitch.

I'm not a bad player either, so it's not that I'm leaving space. The AI just refuses to keep the ball. Passing lane blocked? Forget passing to the centre-back who's open, I'll just put my head down and run into you instead.

Obviously people see things differently but I find it odd when people say FIFA is pure arcade/action/end-to-end where I find PES is more that way nowadays, against the AI anyway.

If Konami fixed the AI to be more patient, then it'd be superb. But, for me, it's just a very good game.
 
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It's still a very good game but...for me, they've buckled and gone with the "tried and tested" rather than stick with what would have been a new direction. Shooting is a bit too easy at the moment, I am all for spectacular goals but we scored four 30 yarders in one game last night....with that being said there will be a patch day one so I am not going to start moaning too much
 
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The AI on PES could knock the ball around more - there's no question of that. But you can get it to play with more patience than PES 12 by the way you let your teammates cover spaces etc. It's not anywhere near perfect but if you don't chase players around trying to win the ball back at all costs, the AI does back off a bit.

p.s. if you played enough of Demo 2, you'd find that improved a lot over Demo 1, with the exception of toning down the R2 shots too much. Not sure if they're still lacking a bit of power in the final release?
 
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DagsJT said:
I can't agree with people who watch real matches and say PES reflects that. Maybe playing against humans, but certainly not the AI. To me, it's the equivalent of playing a 10yr old online who chooses Real Madrid just to pass it to Ronaldo and sprint the whole way down the pitch.

I'm not a bad player either, so it's not that I'm leaving space. The AI just refuses to keep the ball. Passing lane blocked? Forget passing to the centre-back who's open, I'll just put my head down and run into you instead.

Obviously people see things differently but I find it odd when people say FIFA is pure arcade/action/end-to-end where I find PES is more that way nowadays, against the AI anyway.

If Konami fixed the AI to be more patient, then it'd be superb. But, for me, it's just a very good game.
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Agree with all of this. Been playing it since yesterday now, really is a good game but annoying at the same time. CPU still just looks to attack 90% of the time, gets the ball and runs straight forward. It's actually more annoying this time becuase it does demonstrate the ability to play football. At least once or twice a game it'll start to knock it about for 3/4/5 passes. I've noticed this happens when it has the ball in defence, as soon as the ball goes to a central midfielder it's head down and charge time.

Played Barca and ended up with 60%-40% possession on Superstar level. To be honest the game feels better when I play on Professional and bring the game speed down, this seemed to make the CPU pass a little more.

From playing a number of different teams I've seen the CPU play, the diagonal ball trying to get over my FB, the charge through centre mid which can be defended by my last CB by standing still and waiting for the opposition to run into me, the shot from distance, the through ball where my CB has run out to the FB position and my FB has decided he's a CM and finally after they have passed it around in their half for a bit the hoof upfield. That's about as varied as the attacks get. Playing Barca you see some nice flicks and lay offs, but the attacks are the same.

The CPU really does play like it has a shot clock installed.
 
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I've gt full version and i only played demo1. It's very little like demo1 thats for sure. It's much faster & more responsive. the shooting isn't as spectacular as demo1. But the AI play better than in demo1.

I'm delighted with this game. I never like a PES from the start but i did with this one, it's deep fun and entertaining.

With that being said, all PES games get better with time on top of it.
 
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PS Konami cup in cup mode is amazing! it brings the fun and fantasy back to PES with all the options it gives you. allowing you to play club & country knockouts etc/
 
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RockyJJP said:
PS Konami cup in cup mode is amazing! it brings the fun and fantasy back to PES with all the options it gives you. allowing you to play club & country knockouts etc/
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mate this has been in virtually every ISS/PES game since the PS1
 
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bluemonkeymagic said:
It's still a very good game but...for me, they've buckled and gone with the "tried and tested" rather than stick with what would have been a new direction. Shooting is a bit too easy at the moment, I am all for spectacular goals but we scored four 30 yarders in one game last night....with that being said there will be a patch day one so I am not going to start moaning too much
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youre complaining about long shots being easy buy say demo1 was much better ? :CONFUSE:
 
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Matty_17 said:
youre complaining about long shots being easy buy say demo1 was much better ? :CONFUSE:
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the gameplay was better in demo 1...shooting aside. I am not complaining, I love the PES games and have always stuck with them. Please don't get me wrong about that. I am just a bit disappointed as I was very excited when I played the demos...does that make sense?!?
 
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the only - is shooting in the final game, other then that the game is much better now.

this is my opinion :)
 
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bluemonkeymagic said:
the gameplay was better in demo 1...shooting aside. I am not complaining, I love the PES games and have always stuck with them. Please don't get me wrong about that. I am just a bit disappointed as I was very excited when I played the demos...does that make sense?!?
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yeah makes perfect sense mate. no biggie for me though seeing i love demo2 :P just feels moe refined overall, much more contextual and less arcadey, so the fact retail is largely like demo2 is great for me
 
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yair25 said:
tuned down a lot , now the ball is to slow.
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i can't understand
you say the ball is too slow, bluemonkeymagic says that shooting is too easy because he already scored four 30 yarders in one match.

As always reading on forum about release time is extremely confusing.
 
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