PES 2013 Discussion Thread

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info0 said:
I know. I love both.

2nd even better, but... Gut feeling tells me KONAMI will do something stupid and what Lami posted above doesn't help getting rid of this feeling.
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i agree that second demo is even better, and i am worried like you that Konami could ruin everything with the retail game but i think we should enjoy what we have right now.
 
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Ameppe said:
I still think there's a lot of overreacting like when they announced the introduction of feint linking, or when there was the run forward bug

You just have to play to judge it. If it's a disgrace or not you must feel it.

@info0, you have two demos to judge the game, there's no need to use previews over youtube
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"you need to play it to know that magical boots are a bad idea"

the excuses people come up with never cease to amaze me
 
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In ML having to play online to get certain stuff, boots and other stuff magically boosting a single player's stats?

Let's think this through: Training-stuff like poles and other things indeed help to improve player's capabilities in real life, cause it helps set up focused training-scenarios. And good shoes (compared to bad shoes) can make moving and dribbling a little bit better, it's true and real.

But, and this is a big but... these things only matter when you are a trainer/manager of an amateur-club or even lower where money is so limited that you have to constantly worry about how to finance the most basic stuff.

And even there when you buy training-poles it benefits all players in the team.

Teams that are higher than amateur-level usually have the money to finance the basic stuff, all players have good boots, training-poles are there for all... Money there plays only a role in buying good players and coaches...

So, this nonesense, including buying stuff to heal injured players much faster... needs to be completely abolished, unless Konami wants to introduce some hobby-/amateur-level-football-managing and even then the magic-style-things need to go.

This is a really big disaster for ML-players, it's like the iceberg that nears the Titanic, it's catastrophic and I don't need to wait for the hit to happen and the ship to sink before getting worried and warning the captain.
 
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Ameppe said:
It's a game. Even in its gameplay Pes has some clear arcade elements like ping pong passing, unrealistic stamina system,unrealistic pace, etc. Now why don't you complain about that? That is much more important to me than having a player recover faster because of some treatment or some micro boosting because of a pair of boots.

Yes, it's unrealistic. But, in the end, it's a game.
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Its just another thing they screwed up! I will deffo play it, but it's not something I like, yet!

Sure it's a game. Then it must be me, wanting something that just can't be done in 2012. Maybe I have to wait like 10 more years to have that experience on telly that suits me 100%.
 
In fact Adam seems to just want the attention that he has the game now.... Ohhhhh I'm going to talk to the devs about this. Why didn't you fucking talk to them about adding more second divisions? Football manager like functionality? Other job offers? Etc... WTF
 
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From WENB the best post I read so far:

The problem is you see EA using the same match day format as Sky even down to touch line interviews mid game now and a Soccer Saturday approach to results etc then Konami bring in a forgive me on this 'SUPER POWERS ' twist to individual players making the not only unlicensed leagues, teams, kits and what like to now have a street fighter like power boost to a player for a period of time. The sooner the London studio is opened the better.

If Pes was an arcade game or like a mega drive game from years ago where there were players with cannonball shots where fire propelled onto the ball etc then yeah but it is supposed to be authentic and simulation alternative to Fifa . I totally agree with Adam this is bullshit.

If that was the case in real life we would all be wearing Ronaldos and Messis Nike boots when we play five a side.

I am sorry still getting the game but how are they ever gonna listen to the fans and win back the declining sales in the UK with fantasy ideas like that.

I could understand if you train up a youth player over a period of time and unlock say a special ability card choice that I agree with as any youth player with the right training will improve overtime but this is stupid.
I have never seen a Nike advert where they actively promote a certain boot that will help performance. The only boot I can remember was the Adidas predator that had a slight shooting advantage but certainly not make u run faster etc.
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KONAMI definitely doesn't help with how PES is viewed.

And similar situation to last year when Jon said they don't have time to implement stuff, etc. Guess what someone noticed:

Like someone mentioned, they say they don't have time to incorporate everything requested, yet find time to royally mess up in a way nobody asked.

It's a joke.
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That's right. Sad joke at that. Not funny.

And one more thing:

ML needs tweaking a little not a drastic change. They've acquired all these new licenses like the Brazilian League, Spanish Stadia etc. But yet they're moving away from authenticity in the MAIN mode ML. I don't get it.
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This. I don't get it either now... O_O
 
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Konami commited Hara kiri with this move. They prove they don´t give a f*ck about simulation/realism, and are trying(?) to please some 6 year old demographic or the sorts, with those Master League Fantasy Totori Boost Pimping bullshit. This, proved definitive, will be the last straw for me. I´m too old to forgive Konami, and don´t have the money to keep buying both. Football is invented already, Konami. Stop inventing yourselves and just use real things from this magnificent sport.
 
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gabe.paul.logan said:
now u just want Seabass back :) at least there was no chaos when he was around
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Haha. Seabass wouldn't allow such farce in most important game mode people play.

However, the gameplay did improve while he is gone.

So, feck tough choice :P.

But then you have to read this:

http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1835898.page

Even if you hate EA and FIFA in general, Career Mode does look far superior to anything KONAMI ever produced in PES.

This is what KONAMI should be aiming for and not arcade-boot-stats-micro-boosting nonsense.

EA may be laughing counting their money this year.
 
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Theres no chance in hell am i getting pes 2013.The game is so lackluster and given the news that ML is unplayable,The game doesnt have much content at all.

Fifa again this year.BTW who else saw jose enrique slag of pes on twitter last night?Loled hard.
 
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vitalicxx said:
I hate how anyone who complains at a design choice in a game is labelled as self-entitled or told to stop worrying because "it's a feature not a bug" or that "it's BETA, they will fix it", or that the only people complaining are a "vocal minority". I mean seriously if anyone followed the demise of the game Star wars: the old republic you should know that having a fanbase full of drones that accept everything that is fed to them even if it's clearly terrible and against the game's best interests then it's a recipe for disaster.

You need to let them know when they fuck things up and thankfully Adam let us know about this early enough, that was a bold move but one that could potentially save the series.
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vitalicxx said:
"you need to play it to know that magical boots are a bad idea"

the excuses people come up with never cease to amaze me
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He's right you know.

Sometimes being a little outraged about something is beneficial. A few of you here are guilty of forming the 'Konami Defence Force' at any hint of discontent and become apathetic about the changes. Sometimes a concept is just plain bad and needs to be called out. I'm not Adam's biggest fan but I 100% agree with how he is handling this news. Konami has been very sneaky and kept this under wraps until it was too late, which makes a mockery of the people trying to help them make PES a better game.

As I've said before, I'm not a master league player so I shouldn't give a shit about this, but the thing that annoys me most is players not wearing their correct boots rather than the stat boosting thing (which is awful as well). It goes against the realism and attention to detail that I expect from Konami.

Speak out about it and let Konami know you're not happy. At best they can patch a traditional master league option into the game, at worst they won't listen. But let them know you want more realism and less J-RPG fantasy crap.

I probably speak for a few here when I say that all I want from the master league is the PS2 system with real currency and the ability to change clubs.
 
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The ability to change clubs would have been brillant this year, with all leagues included. Imagine the scenario, you've had a great couple of seasons with Ajax, Suddenly the timeline stops, and your assistant informs you there is a phone call coming in from Brazil...
 
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I'm fairly critical of Adam, but for once I'm fully behind how he's handled this. Before this week I'd have banked on him either keeping quiet or begging people to give it a chance, but fair play to the man he's completely put himself on the line even tho Konami will be unhappy with how he's stirred it up. Better for him to be vocal now then for everyone to be unpleasantly surprised on release day.

The worst type of fanboy are the 'HURR ITS ONLY A GAMEEEEEEEE' drones, who will claim any constructive critcism as being over-reactive. If it's 'just' a game, go play FIFA. Go outside and play. This forum is for us goons that like to dissect the games to a extreme degree, and ultimately want it to be as good as it can be.
 
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vitalicxx said:
"you need to play it to know that magical boots are a bad idea"

the excuses people come up with never cease to amaze me
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Just calm down, i never said that.
I already know that boots boosts are a bad idea but we still have to judge by ourselves to see if it's just a bad idea or a disgrace.
You know, i don't like people overreacted so much that they decided not to buy the game or cancel preorders
 
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info0 said:
Haha. Seabass wouldn't allow such farce in most important game mode people play.

However, the gameplay did improve while he is gone.

So, feck tough choice :P.

But then you have to read this:

http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1835898.page

Even if you hate EA and FIFA in general, Career Mode does look far superior to anything KONAMI ever produced in PES.

This is what KONAMI should be aiming for and not arcade-boot-stats-micro-boosting nonsense.

EA may be laughing counting their money this year.
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Dude stop punting fifa with every post or PM the members you want to join you its bloody annoying
 
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To be honest if my primary interest in a football game was the single player manager mode I'd be looking at FIFA right now because they are doing great things with their career mode. EA are pushing for greater depth and realism every year regardless of what you think of the gameplay.

Konami are in danger of losing the jewell in their crown by way of truly woeful decision making and not listening to what the fans want.
 
info0 said:
Haha. Seabass wouldn't allow such farce in most important game mode people play.

However, the gameplay did improve while he is gone.

So, feck tough choice :P.

But then you have to read this:

http://forum.ea.com/uk/posts/list/1835898.page

Even if you hate EA and FIFA in general, Career Mode does look far superior to anything KONAMI ever produced in PES.

This is what KONAMI should be aiming for and not arcade-boot-stats-micro-boosting nonsense.

EA may be laughing counting their money this year.
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Again all that polish is amazing. But the gameplay is shit,IMO. Played FIFA 12 yesterday again and it just feels so clunky, and every player feels the exact same. Konami do need this polish.
 
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So zee ok, I stop talking about FIFA here. Just wanted to point out their polishing of game mode. Nothing else.

Back to Master League discussion then:

Looking forward to your meeting with PES team to know what the hell brought them to make such horrible changes in ML.

Anyway, are we stuck with this ML? It can't be changed, not even through patches or anything else, or may be i got it wrong?

There's really no way they listen to us and remove the magic items stuff?
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Response from Adam:

No idea. I have to say it's so integral to ML I simply can't see a patch.
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So this is pretty bad, but gets interesting further...

hello adam more question:

-first
the players only evolve witch the item? Or also do they evolve like always in the pro?

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If I remove the players' development before beginning the ML, Do players appear with his normal boots?

very very thanks for you attention adam
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Response is:

To your previous question, yes if you edit players hairstyles and physique in edit mode it will show up in ML.

1) I've already answer the first one, players still develop outside items.

2) OK good question. So, first of all no, if you turn player development off the boots BS is still in. But, the items you can purchase are reduced. You go from 18 items to 8, which is because 10 of them are based on the week to week training regime you set similar to last year. By giving players boosts they will improve in that area more.

With player development OFF, you can purchase:

Personal Training +1 (increases a specific ability by +1) - 50 GP
Personal Training +3 (increases a specific ability by +3) - 200 GP
Personal Training +5 (increases a specific ability by +5) - 500 GP
Personal Training ALL +1 (increases every ability by +1, that is not already 99) - 5000 GP
Personal Training ALL +3 (increases every ability by +3, that is not already 99) - 10000 GP
Recovery Trainer (improves resistance to fatigue) - 200 GP
Physiotherapist (improves resistance to injury) - 200 GP
Conditioning Trainer (increase Form by +1) - 500 GP

The 10 that are added when you have player development ON are:

Stopwatch (makes Speed training more effective) - 200 GP
Free Weights (makes Power training more effective) - 200 GP
Mini Goal (makes shoot Training more effective) - 200 GP
Keepy Uppy Ball (makes Pass training more effective) - 200 GP
Training Poles (makes Dribbling training more effective) - 200 GP
Balance Disc (makes Defence training more effective) - 200 GP
Cycling Machine (makes Stamina training more effective) - 200 GP
Personal Trainer (makes ALL training more effective) - 5000 GP
Extra Positions (equip to earn experience for position (lasts 1 year)) - 500 GP
Skill Boost (equip to earn experience for Player Index (lasts 1 year)) - 500 GP

Personal opinion, most of the above is decent, APART from the following:

Personal Training +1 (increases a specific ability by +1) - 50 GP
Personal Training +3 (increases a specific ability by +3) - 200 GP
Personal Training +5 (increases a specific ability by +5) - 500 GP
Personal Training ALL +1 (increases every ability by +1, that is not already 99) - 5000 GP
Personal Training ALL +3 (increases every ability by +3, that is not already 99) - 10000 GP

The specific stat boosting is BS. If a player improves through focused training then great, huge improvement. But to simply add stats to them?

What's happened to my ML
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Now this is far greater damaging than I ever imagined!!!!! And what's more getting 10000 points on offline ML? Get real. For each game you get 10 points... Offline. Online it's 100 points. Guess who has advantage here (not that anyone would use this anyway). I can see his point more clearly now... FU!

And this sums it up nicely:

That's exactly what i think. It's ok to purchase (but using ML money, not "points" gained in another way) stuff to improve training in certain areas, so that you can focus and develop each player the way you want.
But apart from personal training, how each player develop should be just a result of player's ability to improve AND training.
Adding stuff that increase stats SURELY for a certain amount (+1, +2, +3 ,+4 exc....) is not realistic and add a GDR-like element that is NOT needed in a football SIMULATION.
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I rest my case. If you're happy with this BS, so be it.
I'm definitely not buying into it. Not in the slightest.

People might be excited about this, but that means, KONAMI will kill any realism in next Pro Evos. What they try to force this year, is out of my mind and dunno what concept was behind this.

Care to explain KONAMI logic to me?! SOMEONE?!
 
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dannyfc2 said:
The worst type of fanboy are the 'HURR ITS ONLY A GAMEEEEEEEE' drones, who will claim any constructive critcism as being over-reactive. If it's 'just' a game, go play FIFA. Go outside and play. This forum is for us goons that like to dissect the games to a extreme degree, and ultimately want it to be as good as it can be.
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Couldn't agree more with the bold part. But I haven't seen anyoone on this forum dissecting the game to an extreme degree. Not even close, fella.
 
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I normally play offline modes at -1 speed and while the boot bollocks is incredibly frustrating, I think that so long as I can equip a players right boots (at the very least they need to be looking at accelerating the boot acquisition) then it won't be too bad, but still bad.

They surely must be able to at least patch out the CPU teams wearing crappy defaults. That in itself would make a huge difference.
 
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All this PRG ML is made for money ;) Konami will ask you to buy some GTP or other sort of points to upgrade fast your ML or OML team , some stupid version on UT in FIFA. This is just small step to total PRGMMOMLOMLFFS mode in PES 2014 .

dannyfc2 said:
I'm fairly critical of Adam, but for once I'm fully behind how he's handled this. Before this week I'd have banked on him either keeping quiet or begging people to give it a chance, but fair play to the man he's completely put himself on the line even tho Konami will be unhappy with how he's stirred it up. Better for him to be vocal now then for everyone to be unpleasantly surprised on release day.

The worst type of fanboy are the 'HURR ITS ONLY A GAMEEEEEEEE' drones, who will claim any constructive critcism as being over-reactive. If it's 'just' a game, go play FIFA. Go outside and play. This forum is for us goons that like to dissect the games to a extreme degree, and ultimately want it to be as good as it can be.
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Spot on !
 
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curdstar said:
I normally play offline modes at -1 speed and while the boot bollocks is incredibly frustrating, I think that so long as I can equip a players right boots (at the very least they need to be looking at accelerating the boot acquisition) then it won't be too bad, but still bad.

They surely must be able to at least patch out the CPU teams wearing crappy defaults. That in itself would make a huge difference.
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One thing I don't get. Supposedly said players in all teams wearing generic black ones, yet at the same time it's said you buy a player and his e.g. F50 boot becomes available to all your players. How? I thought he'd be wearing generic black boots?

:?
 
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It should be clear at this point that we are complaining just because this feature can't bu turned off.
I don't want every player with black boots....i don't want to be forced to assing them at every fucking player ...i don't want magical boots in general. If i can turn it off, then i'm fine....since that's not the case, i think is normal that the community complain about a horrible feature no one has asked for.

Lami said:
One thing I don't get. Supposedly said players in all teams wearing generic black ones, yet at the same time it's said you buy a player and his e.g. F50 boot becomes available to all your players. How? I thought he'd be wearing generic black boots?

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no. if you buy a player with some special boots, only that player can wear them. During the season you'll get more boots (adam said he got 4)....and you can assign them to 4 player. So 1 boots can be assigned to 1 player only.
 
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