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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
well yes, but whats the change here?
whats the last title we were forced in certain situations to use build up play or the same way for the cpu?
pes5, pes3?
it it ever going to be changed? lol

(not even talking about online..)
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Just watched the Fifa 13-gamescom-videos, just as if not even more disapointing than the PES 2013-videos. Both games seem not to grasp what real football is like, although to be fair PES is nearer to it.
 
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Really? There's nothing in the videos that make me think this is any worse than the demo we're all playing. If anything the game looks a little nicer from the videos, but in gameplay terms it looks bang on the same. Same pace, same level of dribbling, the same reigned in version of 2012. It looks to me like a very slightly polished version of the demo.

It's important to remember that the gamescom videos are two player matches, and sorry to use a cliche from most gamescom videos, but neither player seems to know how to defend whatsoever. The goals fly in during that Barca v Madrid match because the two guys were simply defending terribly. End of.
 
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The main thing I see is that no one in the video's uses the step on features with dribbling. There's always the same passing animation which indicates they're passing the ball before they've even received it. And when someone has a shot on goal or a nice save, and I WANT to see a close up, they skip the friggen replay!!
 
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Are these latest trailers and videos really worth watching? We've got a demo to play which has been in our hands for a couple of weeks. The full game comes out in just over a month with the possibility of another demo before then.

Personally, Gamescom is a non-event this year as far as PES is concerned. We know so much about the game already.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
Really? There's nothing in the videos that make me think this is any worse than the demo we're all playing. If anything the game looks a little nicer from the videos, but in gameplay terms it looks bang on the same. Same pace, same level of dribbling, the same reigned in version of 2012. It looks to me like a very slightly polished version of the demo.

It's important to remember that the gamescom videos are two player matches, and sorry to use a cliche from most gamescom videos, but neither player seems to know how to defend whatsoever. The goals fly in during that Barca v Madrid match because the two guys were simply defending terribly. End of.
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If you are happy with the demo, then I guess there is no need for concern, the videos look more polished compared to the demo. But I'm not happy with the demo, I see a lot of problems that plagued PES 2011/2012 and the gamescom-videos have not shown any improvements in those regards:

1. Stop-and-go mechanism in the animation. And slowdowns when going for throughballs. Catchup-mechanism...
2. No realtime stamina/fatigue-system, making the whole game feel unrealistic and not punishing constant kick-and-rush-gaming.
3. Goalkeepers not able to use their hand to make a one-hand-save/parrying.

And judging by the demo, cheating will be a problem as well on consoles and considering the gameplay and its AI-limitations I don't see Konami giving up on it.

So I'm disappointed, not as disappointed as I'm regarding Fifa 13, but still.
 
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Jamezinho said:
Are these latest trailers and videos really worth watching? We've got a demo to play which has been in our hands for a couple of weeks. The full game comes out in just over a month with the possibility of another demo before then.

Personally, Gamescom is a non-event this year as far as PES is concerned. We know so much about the game already.
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Agreed. I was mainly watching to see if there was any improvement to nighttime lighting...which doesn't really appear to have happened, even though the trailer they just released looks like it has really nice dark green pitches and nice contrast.
 
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henrys hand said:
If you are happy with the demo, then I guess there is no need for concern, the videos look more polished compared to the demo. But I'm not happy with the demo, I see a lot of problems that plagued PES 2011/2012 and the gamescom-videos have not shown any improvements in those regards:

1. Stop-and-go mechanism in the animation. And slowdowns when going for throughballs. Catchup-mechanism...
2. No realtime stamina/fatigue-system, making the whole game feel unrealistic and not punishing constant kick-and-rush-gaming.
3. Goalkeepers not able to use their hand to make a one-hand-save/parrying.

And judging by the demo, cheating will be a problem as well on consoles and considering the gameplay and its AI-limitations I don't see Konami giving up on it.

So I'm disappointed, not as disappointed as I'm regarding Fifa 13, but still.
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In PES 2013, Stop-and-go animation has been eliminated alot, the use of pes 2012 toe-poke animation is rare to see. they now have this new flowing toe-poke. Overall, PES 2013 animation is slightly above what i expected.

Yeah, the one-handed save you often see in fifa may not make its way to PES.. I guess konami has such an option limitation to choose a GK animation that fits all. Still, it's much improved animation-wise and performance-wise than 2012 :))

I thought the real time stamina etc has been old news that it would not appear in pes 2013, yes ?
 
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AI build up hasn't changed a bit.

You simply measure the build up progression by the way teammates position themselves. In these videos -as well as in the demo- teammates positioning is as awful as ever. That's deep within PES's core for now, so stop dreaming about it.

And before you get all excited against this, teammates positioning dynamics and teammates runs are two different things.
 
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Here's Live streaming demo gameplay from Gamescom -http://www.ustream.tv/channel/konami-onair03
 
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two more faults of this game:

- lob through balls are broken. simply do not work
- where is the driven long pass? you should be able to drive a long ball. not in the game at all.
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
well yes, but whats the change here?
whats the last title we were forced in certain situations to use build up play or the same way for the cpu?
pes5, pes3?
it it ever going to be changed? lol

(not even talking about online..)
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Spend 90 % online and I am talking about the 2 players in the video. They playing like muppets. Are they defending with R1 and X are they setup with a high d-line and 20 pressure setting? They don't seem to care just going through the motion.

PES2012 was easy to exploit thru balls even on 0 assist. I hope PES2013 rewards football not spamming weaknesses in the game. You choose how you play so I am not sure what your point is.
 
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if you want to see the real pace of the game there is the gameplay streaming and that shows that the pace of the game is exactly the same as demo 1

anyway, you cannot fully understand how the game plays if you dont PLAY it :))
 
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Ameppe said:
if you want to see the real pace of the game there is the gameplay streaming and that shows that the pace of the game is exactly the same as demo 1

anyway, you cannot fully understand how the game plays if you dont PLAY it :))
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The stream better shows the speed of the game, it's similar to the demo. But the problem of the kick-and-rush-quality of the game remains the same as in the demo and the same as in PES 2012.

The problem is that there is no real-time two-tiered stamina/fatigue-system in place to enforce a change in gamepace. There is simply no need to regain stamina/breath and that's what makes the game feel unrealistic.

It's really strange considering that the Wii-version has one.

Unfortunately there is no PC-mod in sight that tries to introduce a real-time stamina/fatigue-system either.

So I'm seriously considering skipping this version in the hope that PES 2014 will have a real time two-tiered-stamina-fatigue-system that will hopefully transform the way the game is played.

The problem with that plan is only that I would have to go with no football-game for a whole year. Probably I will cave in and buy PES 2013 used for PC around the dark winter-months of november-march.
 
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Jamezinho said:
Are these latest trailers and videos really worth watching? We've got a demo to play which has been in our hands for a couple of weeks. The full game comes out in just over a month with the possibility of another demo before then.

Personally, Gamescom is a non-event this year as far as PES is concerned. We know so much about the game already.
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Pretty much, but again I think your forgetting were gaming on PC which is a bit different to continually try and play those 5 minute demo's.
 
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henrys hand said:
The stream better shows the speed of the game, it's similar to the demo. But the problem of the kick-and-rush-quality of the game remains the same as in the demo and the same as in PES 2012.

The problem is that there is no real-time two-tiered stamina/fatigue-system in place to enforce a change in gamepace. There is simply no need to regain stamina/breath and that's what makes the game feel unrealistic.

It's really strange considering that the Wii-version has one.

Unfortunately there is no PC-mod in sight that tries to introduce a real-time stamina/fatigue-system either.

So I'm seriously considering skipping this version in the hope that PES 2014 will have a real time two-tiered-stamina-fatigue-system that will hopefully transform the way the game is played.

The problem with that plan is only that I would have to go with no football-game for a whole year. Probably I will cave in and buy PES 2013 used for PC around the dark winter-months of november-march.
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I completely agree with you about the stamina system, it is in dire need of one. However, I'm not finding the game to be kick and rush at all. Games feel like tight midfield battles to me, individual touches of the ball are very noticeable and the first touch is a big factor now. Love it. It feels like the perfect blend between PES2011 and 2012 to me, which is personally all I could have hoped for until the new engine rides into town.

Those guys in the video are playing kick and rush in that all they are attempting are fast counter attacks, lofted through-balls to top-rated strikers etc, which IS how the game will be played online by a large majority, but I think if you defend properly in this, it's not overpowered and can be cut out quite easily. The problem with gameplay videos from game shows is that it invariably shows two players demonstrating exactly how not to play the game.

I admit that Konami are well capable of completely ruining this upon release, but so far this is my favourite PES ever by a country mile.
 
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zeemeister said:
Spend 90 % online and I am talking about the 2 players in the video. They playing like muppets. Are they defending with R1 and X are they setup with a high d-line and 20 pressure setting? They don't seem to care just going through the motion.

PES2012 was easy to exploit thru balls even on 0 assist. I hope PES2013 rewards football not spamming weaknesses in the game. You choose how you play so I am not sure what your point is.
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my point is that there is no midfield play, its box to box rushing, reminds me of pes4
off course u can force yourself to play how u want, but thats neither rewarding nor needed
regardless whether u play a human or cpu(my main point is cpu play)

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oh and off course it COULD be rewarding to play a more realistic way, defending and plan your attacks etc.
BUT, the main critique point here from my side is that i still need to watch those noobs playing crap, its going to be the same online as always
a real simulation looks good and noobs are forced to learn and play better
 
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henrys hand, would I be correct in thinking that you'd really really really really really really like to see the introduction of a real-time two-tiered stamina/fatigue system?
 
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ollywolly said:
henrys hand, would I be correct in thinking that you'd really really really really really really like to see the introduction of a real-time two-tiered stamina/fatigue system?
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Man, you really have some serious reading-between-the-lines-muscles there.:TU:
 
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ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue said:
my point is that there is no midfield play, its box to box rushing, reminds me of pes4
off course u can force yourself to play how u want, but thats neither rewarding nor needed
regardless whether u play a human or cpu(my main point is cpu play)

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oh and off course it COULD be rewarding to play a more realistic way, defending and plan your attacks etc.
BUT, the main critique point here from my side is that i still need to watch those noobs playing crap, its going to be the same online as always
a real simulation looks good and noobs are forced to learn and play better
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Agreed. That's why we have places like PEEL. Are they ever going to get away from it though. Its the age of instant gratification of assists and run and guns.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
I completely agree with you about the stamina system, it is in dire need of one. However, I'm not finding the game to be kick and rush at all. Games feel like tight midfield battles to me, individual touches of the ball are very noticeable and the first touch is a big factor now. Love it. It feels like the perfect blend between PES2011 and 2012 to me, which is personally all I could have hoped for until the new engine rides into town....
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I'm not talking about the guys in the videos, most of them play bad (which is natural considering the environment and atmosphere) and youtube-videos accelerate things a bit...

And the wording "kick and rush" is also not 100% fitting. What I mean is that you can run with your players alltime, dribbling like crazy... and because there is no realtime-twotiered-stamina-fatigue-system in place there is no limit to that. It makes the whole game feel unrealistic.

What then Konami does to prevent that the score-lines reach as well unlimited heights is to introduce limitations in other areas, that are unrealistic as well: The running-speed is capped, catch-up-mechanisms are in place, in the animation there is a stop-and-go-mechanism introduced and players slow down when going for throughballs...

All that and more to balance out the effect of a missing realtime two-tiered stamina-fatigue-system. So we are double-cursed.

I will still buy PES 2013 because I don't see a better alternative right now and I need my videogame-football-fix in the dark winter-months, but I will postpone the buying until I really need it, ie. until around november-march.
 
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Gamescom is really lacking steam this year thanks to the early demo. Actually just watching fifa instead.
Anybody else hate the high frequency at which CPU does skill moves and high level techniques/finesse turn. Most of the players cant even do half these things in real life and it seems the dribble speed rating does not affect the animation speed making it harder to see individuality.
 
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The thing with FIFA its the ice skating movement of all players. Players like Bruno Alves or Luisão look like a little butterfly in the joy of spring.

Yes in Fifa the animations are life like, but the inertia, and physics are non existent
 
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demo 1 pes2013 is a game "acceptable", at this level must have been "konami" in 2008.


my worst fear, the final code regains active IA, and lose all the freedom that does not offer demo 1.
remember that demo pes 2012, still had some freedom, to release the game, it has almost completely lost, I hope does not happen again this year.

fix:
ball in air, seems even stupid
completely eliminate "supercancel"


please konami, PLEASE


EDIT:
h3lio: you are god :)
 
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To eliminate supercancel they should eliminate rails. Right now it's extremely difficult to see that in final release because that can be done only with a completely new game engine
 
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Couldn't imagine pes without supercancel. Its like trademark of franchise to me :) .
 
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