PES 2012 Football Life thread

[Ameppe]

so whats the most balanced settings to begin with? (less momentum too)
0 pass assistance, 15 mins
difficulty?
gamespeed?

(beside gameplay patches and maybe global stats editing and kitserver off course)

i play at 0 pass assistance, 10 minutes
professional difficulty
gamespeed 0

i think it's balanced enough

 

[Ektor70]

how can you people cope with all those silly cutscenes? i really could not.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

how can you people cope with all those silly cutscenes? i really could not.

Is it really that annoying ?

The bottom-line is it's there to serve a purpose. It's there to, in a small way, replicate the relationship between player and manager. It's just another added variable to Form. It may not be the most scientific way, but for the most part, it does it's job. I have no problems with them, and certainly prefer to have this sort of influence on Form in this regard, than not.

 

[Primepeace]

Hello guys i'm back because i just played pes 2012 1.03 i gotta say it's flawless gameplay is spot on finally enjoying the amazing game well done konami do not alter anything else hehe

 

[denirobob]

i play at 0 pass assistance, 10 minutes
professional difficulty
gamespeed 0

i think it's balanced enough

hi mate

have you ever tried 15 min games? i just find that this offers that pefect balance, so games arent too frantic and you can knock the ball around looking for an opening

db

 

[Aidan-lfc]

Nearing the half-way stage in the Premier League in season 1 on my Liverpool ML. Currently top of the premier league, 10 points ahead of Chelsea. It must be said, the top 4 having been really poor this year with some shock results, meaning I have been able to zoom ahead in the league, and I really shouldn't be caught unless I go through a bad patch. Into the Quarter-Finals of the FA Cup, and I am about to play my last group match in the UEFA Europa League. It's a dead rubber though as we have both qualified and they can't overtake me in the group. I have agreed a £4,000,000 fee for Jonjo Shelvey from a Ligue 1 club, so he'll be off soon. I have £33,000,000 to spend in the transfer market (maybe more, if I manage to sell Brad Jones) so I might try and sign a top, top player. Most likely a midfielder, as Gerrard isn't getting any younger.

 

[dannyfc2]

11 games into my D2 season, 4 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats, so hoovering about midtable.

So far I've concluded, Lieberman is a fucking liability and is the first on the January hitlist. Laursen Toure is single handedly grinding out goals from impossible positions, and Shimizu despite his age is far too good for this division.

I could do with a really big centre half, a poacher, and a tricky winger. Any suggestions? Overall needs to around the 68/70 mark or else I can't afford.

I know people aren't keen on defending but it's probably my fav. aspect of this iteration. Dive in too early, foul. Commit too late, get skinned. And most importantly timing and positioning is absolutely crucial for dealing with crosses, unlike every other game which required a tap of shoot. This is probably the first PES game where I'll actually sweat buckets when hanging onto a lead.4


also; tips for training?? After leaving it on 'Condition' and watching my players steadily regress, I've realised i need to micro-manage it a little more. Will alternating weeks of technical/speed/physical suffice or do I need to focus on individual days?

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

11 games into my D2 season, 4 wins, 4 draws and 3 defeats, so hoovering about midtable.

So far I've concluded, Lieberman is a fucking liability and is the first on the January hitlist. Laursen Toure is single handedly grinding out goals from impossible positions, and Shimizu despite his age is far too good for this division.

I could do with a really big centre half, a poacher, and a tricky winger. Any suggestions? Overall needs to around the 68/70 mark or else I can't afford.

1.I know people aren't keen on defending but it's probably my fav. aspect of this iteration. Dive in too early, foul. Commit too late, get skinned. And most importantly timing and positioning is absolutely crucial for dealing with crosses, unlike every other game which required a tap of shoot. This is probably the first PES game where I'll actually sweat buckets when hanging onto a lead.4


2. also; tips for training?? After leaving it on 'Condition' and watching my players steadily regress, I've realised i need to micro-manage it a little more. Will alternating weeks of technical/speed/physical suffice or do I need to focus on individual days?

1. Amen. Love it.

2. I really enjoy this training system, as it lets you dictate how you wish to mould your team. For example, I'm using Boro in Div 2, and I've opted for the 'Mowbray' philosophy of trying to get the lads to play nice football on the deck. I've worked extensively on Technique, and my team currently has a B Rating and 85 for Technique. C for most of the others bar Speed which is now a 'D'.

The continuous work on the Technique has improved all my stats for the players in the areas I wanted - Passing and Shooting Accuracy. I work a few days a week on any of the other areas that reduce.

Decide how you want your squad to play, and then train them in that area.

My only slight issue with this system, is that Shooting Power falls under Physical. So although my team can pass and shoot very well, they do lack power in their stats. Technically, shooting is all based on Technique, and not how big your thighs are. But, I appreciate this is a little balancing act to make you think of what need's to be trained.

Training just Condition will do nothing for your players stats apart from make them fitter and have better Form. Everything else will just keep reducing.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

can u buy players from national teams now and players from clubs outside of the ML?

 

[dannyfc2]

2. I really enjoy this training system, as it lets you dicate how you wish to mould your team. For example, I'm using Boro in Div 2, and I've opted for the 'Mowbray' philosophy of trying to get the lads to play nice football on the deck. I've worked extensively on Technique, and my team currently has a B Rating and 85 for Technique. C for most of the others bar Speed which is now a 'D'.

The continuous work on the Technique has improved all my stats for the players in the areas I wanted - Passing and Shooting Accuracy. I work a few days a week on any of the other areas that reduce.

Decide how you want your squad to play, and then train them in that area.

My only slight issue with this system, is that Shooting Power falls under Physical. So although my team can pass and shoot very well, they do lack power in their stats. Technically, shooting is all based on Technique, and not how big your thighs are. But, I appreciate this is a little balancing act to make you think of what need's to be trained.

Training just Condition will do nothing for your players stats apart from make them fitter and have better Form. Everything else will just keep reducing.

Hmmm I'm not a fan if I'm honest. I don't think it's realistic to have much variation in attributes for players between the ages of 23-30. Would rather just the youngsters steadily improve based on the exp. & potential, and the older players slightly decline. Think you're given the option to switch off player development, which looking back I'd have preferred now.

 

[dannyfc2]

can u buy players from national teams now and players from clubs outside of the ML?

No. But you can transfer them into other teams before you start if you want, which is what I did with a selection of South Americans.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Hmmm I'm not a fan if I'm honest. I don't think it's realistic to have much variation in attributes for players between the ages of 23-30. Would rather just the youngsters steadily improve based on the exp. & potential, and the older players slightly decline. Think you're given the option to switch off player development, which looking back I'd have preferred now.

What, so players dont improve technically between those ages in real-life ? Of course they do. Obviously, older players improve less so, and will their stats will diminish in the Speed based areas.

This is far the best way to train players, it's across the board.

If you choose to drill your team in Technique, then you will see the benefit. No different to real-life. Likewise, should you choose to focus soley on the tactical side of the game, then the stats increase in those areas. It's spot on in my opinion, and it's gives you your chance to put your own personal stamp on the squad and how they play based on your own philosophies.

 

[lukas_rod]

I agree with Jimmy. I think this training system is far more realistic than the one we had in PES2011 (it was so simple/easy imo), though it requires a lot of patience because you need to constantly make changes on it

danny it depends of what D2 division are you playing.
If its you first season then i think there is not too much options available (no one wants to join your club). I like to "test" the youth players in my first season to see who could become useful in the future. Duffy, for example, develops quite fast.

 

[dannyfc2]

Either the rain has a big impact or Sparta Prague are coded as being a set of dirty cunts. Not least Tomas Repka who was allowed to scythe down Shimizu in the box in the final seconds

Just reached the halfway point. Firmly planted bang in the middle of the table, and looking like we'll be heading nowhere without any investment in some quality.

What, so players dont improve technically between those ages in real-life ? Of course they do. Obviously, older players improve less so, and will their stats will diminish in the Speed based areas.

This is far the best way to train players, it's across the board.

If you choose to drill your team in Technique, then you will see the benefit. No different to real-life. Likewise, should you choose to focus soley on the tactical side of the game, then the stats increase in those areas. It's spot on in my opinion, and it's gives you your chance to put your own personal stamp on the squad and how they play based on your own philosophies.

I don't think in real life you can drastically change a player past a certain age, regardless of how they're trained. You can make them more cohesive or disciplined, but turning M'boro into 85 rated technical side without significantly changing the personnel seems off IMO. Maybe a couple points change here and there depending on you're style, but not to the extent it's possible in the game.

FM is the model for how player development should be implemented for me. Small increments based on playing time more than anything.

danny it depends of what D2 division are you playing.
If its you first season then i think there is not too much options available (no one wants to join your club). I like to "test" the youth players in my first season to see who could become useful in the future. Duffy, for example, develops quite fast.

It's just the standard D2 league.

I've gotten in Shimizu from the Youth, and another chap coming in January. Some Argentinian striker. Could really do with some pace on the flanks though, might take to the loan market and see who I can get from a bigger club.

Duffy is a DM isn't he? Jaric is doing a decent enough job there for the time being.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Either the rain has a big impact or Sparta Prague are coded as being a set of dirty cunts. Not least Tomas Repka who was allowed to scythe down Shimizu in the box in the final seconds

Just reached the halfway point. Firmly planted bang in the middle of the table, and looking like we'll be heading nowhere without any investment in some quality.



I don't think in real life you can drastically change a player past a certain age, regardless of how they're trained. You can make them more cohesive or disciplined, but turning M'boro into 85 rated technical side without significantly changing the personnel seems off IMO. Maybe a couple points change here and there depending on you're style, but not to the extent it's possible in the game.

FM is the model for how player development should be implemented for me. Small increments based on playing time more than anything.



It's just the standard D2 league.

I've gotten in Shimizu from the Youth, and another chap coming in January. Some Argentinian striker. Could really do with some pace on the flanks though, might take to the loan market and see who I can get from a bigger club.

Duffy is a DM isn't he? Jaric is doing a decent enough job there for the time being.

It's artistic licence Danny, which has been in PES forever in this regard. The bottom-line is that this system lets you mould your team to how you wish them to perform. Should you opt for the physical Stoke way, or the pure football stance of the likes of Swansea, or a speed based team like, arguably, Arsenal. It's all there. That was my point. Also, if you groom your team early doors for either of these team traits, the younger players are the ones that develop the most with this type of philosophy. Think of Wenger at Arsenal or the Man Utd kids as a good example of breeding a philosophy from an early age.

 

[dannyfc2]

So the January window came and went with no-one wanting to sign for me. I managed to off load a couple of wasters I had no intention of playing, so the bank balance is healthy at least for the summer.

Fortunately my form seems to have picked up and I'm beginning to grind out wins. I've promoted two youth prospects, one is a bullish Dutch holding midfield that does a job with no frills. The other is an Argentine poacher that has been horrendous each time he's played, will do for cover though. Think the team-work stat comes into play here, since new signings start at '1' I find they struggle to link up as well, which is a nice feature.

Shimizu is a still a boss and continues to run the show. Can't help but think Seabass' sees him as a fantasy re-incarnation of himself as a 17 year old

I'm roughly 5 or 6 points off a promotion place, but I doubt I'll really challenge without finding some consistency. Will have a good ol' rebuild in the summer.

It's artistic licence Danny, which has been in PES forever in this regard. The bottom-line is that this system lets you mould your team to how you wish them to perform. Should you opt for the physical Stoke way, or the pure football stance of the likes of Swansea, or a speed based team like, arguably, Arsenal. It's all there. That was my point. Also, if you groom your team early doors for either of these team traits, the younger players are the ones that develop the most with this type of philosophy. Think of Wenger at Arsenal or the Man Utd kids as a good example of breeding a philosophy from an early age.

I understand where you're coming from, and ML has always had the fantasy element so I can see why it'd allow you to shape a squad this way. I'd just prefer it to be a little more grounded and consistent.

 

[lukas_rod]

It's just the standard D2 league.

I've gotten in Shimizu from the Youth, and another chap coming in January. Some Argentinian striker. Could really do with some pace on the flanks though, might take to the loan market and see who I can get from a bigger club.

Duffy is a DM isn't he? Jaric is doing a decent enough job there for the time being.

Yes, he is a DM but can play in other areas as well. I use him as a right fullback and he's doing good so far (better than El Moubarki for sure). I'm in the middle of the first season (March) and he's 71 in overall already. And indeed Shimizu is the star of this default squad but i think the fact he's japanese is just a coincidence man

 

[Professor Nutmeg]

I finally had my first in-match injury, in ML. It was my fault really, as i played Heeders on a yellow cross. I had to though, due to my thin squad. I did it before and he was fine. He even scored. This time however, he was tackled and he received a red cross - out for 17 weeks. That leaves me with Gutierrez as my only striker in my 17 man squad. I can't sign a youth player as i don't have the funds either.

 

[vivek1412]

It's artistic licence Danny, which has been in PES forever in this regard. The bottom-line is that this system lets you mould your team to how you wish them to perform. Should you opt for the physical Stoke way, or the pure football stance of the likes of Swansea, or a speed based team like, arguably, Arsenal. It's all there. That was my point. Also, if you groom your team early doors for either of these team traits, the younger players are the ones that develop the most with this type of philosophy. Think of Wenger at Arsenal or the Man Utd kids as a good example of breeding a philosophy from an early age.

Absolutely Spot on!.. Having a particular style in your mind, and then moulding your team into that style gives such satisfaction. I play with west ham, favoring physical training, and often switching with strategy. This way i have a big, strong team that can't be dispossessed off the ball,easily. Having strikers like Carew, Cole, Nouble, Piqeunne, physical training really bring the best out of them. (I rarely train for speed as i play though the middle, with slow passing game. i Prefer two pacy full backs, with defensive mixed MF placed on the wings. )
Really enjoying my ML.. and being an arsenal fan, i am rather enjoying the physical strength of these West ham payers, which arsenal have lacked in recent years.

 

[dannyfc2]

I finally had my first in-match injury, in ML. It was my fault really, as i played Heeders on a yellow cross. I had to though, due to my thin squad. I did it before and he was fine. He even scored. This time however, he was tackled and he received a red cross - out for 17 weeks. That leaves me with Gutierrez as my only striker in my 17 man squad. I can't sign a youth player as i don't have the funds either.

Who do you rate out of the defaults?

Cotsload is ultra composed at the back, Ettori and Maqualao are also fairly competent with the ball on the deck, and Heeders is ok for popping up for a goal. Other that they can all do one.

Especially fecking Liebeirman.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Boro are currently lying in 9th place in the Championship and still looking to secure promotion as they enter the final quarter of the season. The league is really hotting up now, with only 5 points seperating 1st and 9th place. Everybody is beating each other.

After losing two games on the bounce, Boro managed to secure seven points from a possible nine on offer, from their last three games. Boro fans had their hearts broken against Cardiff, after taking an early lead through Tamudo, two goals within the last 10 minutes saw them slump to a 2-1 defeat. Leeds then added to Boro's woes with a 1-0 victory at Elland Road against the run of play.

Next up was West Brom away. They took the lead via a headed corner, and as much as Boro pressed, they just couldnt manage to score the elusive equaliser. Resigned to the fact they were heading for their 3rd straight loss, Boro handed their recently signed Youth product, Nuno Gomes his debut with less than 5 minutes on the stopwatch. Boro altered formation, and out came the Kitchen Sink, 4-1-1-4. A perfectly timed through-ball from Williams found Gomes. His fresh legs meant he was never going to be caught. As the 16 year old raced towards goal, eating up the ground like a horse, his cute chip over the advancing keeper secured Boro a share of the spoils in the very last minute. 1-1. Gomes owns the Super Sub Player Card, and it did exactly as it said on the tin.

Boro's next game was away to Reading, in what turned out to be a very physical encounter. Boro took the lead courtesy of a Tamudo half-volley from just outside the box, which sailed into the bottom corner. With 10 minutes to play, Reading changed it up to a 4-3-3 and were instantly rewarded when a cross from the flank was headed home at close range. 1-1. With 5 minutes left, the Boro boss instructed young Gomes to get stripped. Off the bench he came, and his impact was instant. A deep cross from the left via Petrov's cultured left peg saw the youngster rise above the static Reading defence and Gomes's 86 Heading Accuracy and Super Sub card did the rest. 2-1 Boro, and that's how it ended. Teesside had a new hero.

YouTube - Boro 3-2 Crystal Palace

Todays Match of the Day features Boro hosting League leaders Crystal Palace. The visitors took the lead after corner was headed home from close range. Boro then equalised after Tamudo showed his undeniable class with a touch-and-turn finish into the bottom corner. 1-1. Petrov nearly put Boro ahead from a trademark freekick, but the Palace No.1 showed strong hands to parry it wide. Palace then went ahead for the second time, a great little give-and-go put in their striker, his finish more than matched the build-up play. 2-1 Palace. Boro fought-back again, a run and threaded pass from Shimizu picked out Emnes, he held up play then reversed a pass back onto the Shimizu run, and his finish was never in doubt. 2-2. Game on.

Boro then took the lead for the first time in the game, a threaded pass from on loan Dannis found Emnes. Emnes pulled off a subtle R2 feint to confuse the tracking Palace center-back, and his beautiful left foot, not for the first time this season, smashed the ball back across the goal and into the bottom corner. 3-2 Boro, and that's how it ended.

 

[Bawheid]

Who do you rate out of the defaults?

Cotsload is ultra composed at the back, Ettori and Maqualao are also fairly competent with the ball on the deck, and Heeders is ok for popping up for a goal. Other that they can all do one.

Especially fecking Liebeirman.

Of the Youth Team I start with Shimizu, Palmieri and Fatecha and would add Camacho if circumstances allow before the transfer window closes. He can fill most positions in the midfield and is a good tackler.

Of the resident squad I also like Cinalton and play him as a support striker on the right of Ordaz. That means he comes in on his left foot and he hits a mean shot.

 

[Professor Nutmeg]

Who do you rate out of the defaults?

Cotsload is ultra composed at the back, Ettori and Maqualao are also fairly competent with the ball on the deck, and Heeders is ok for popping up for a goal. Other that they can all do one.

Especially fecking Liebeirman.

Yeah, that lot, plus Jaric and Irjescu.

Maqualao and Ettori are the real danger men for me. Once Maqualao developed a bit more over the season, i began to play him off Ordaz very effectively.
Ettori runs the show from the midfield. Love this guy! I like to run at players with him. If they stand off, he'll go through and have en effort. Otherwise he's great for setting up play an he'll often follow through and get on the end of action in the and around the box.
Sadly they are gone from this current challenging ML, where my most creative players would now be Xechinto and Heeders (but he's injured for 17 weeks). Irjescu has taken up Ettori's role, in his own style. His key feature is his howitzer of a shot from distance, which has proven decisive on occasion.

 

[radha1]

I play as Napoli with original lineups (no choice, all goalkeepers are edited, including de Sanctis).

Currently 11th in the league with 4 wins, 6 draws, 3 losses. Last game was crushed by Juventus 3-0 at the new stadium--crowd was, of course, partisan.

Knocked out of Cup in second round by Cesena.

Best victory: 1-3 away to Rubin Kazan in the Group Stage of the Champions League--that put Napoli through to the knockout stages but I don't yet know my opponent; in the group stage I lost to Real Madrid twice but beat Lille twice and and drew the other match with Rubin Kazan.

Best moral victory: down 2-0 away to Roma, return with a late free kick and and then header to draw.


Settings:

Top Player
-2 Speed
25 minute matches (anyone frustrated by the game should try a 25 or 30 minute match--more time on the ball, realistic pressure, varied cpu strategy, more mid-field play, less players in the box)
edited goalkeepers
unassisted passing

Custom Tactics

Many will disagree, but for greater realism no tactic setting is above 10 (as much as I would love to play Counter-attack, the game is too easy then, even on Top Player):
Support: 8
Distance: 6
Switch: 8
Style: 7
Pressure: 8
Line: 10
Width: 9

 

[dannyfc2]

Of the Youth Team I start with Shimizu, Palmieri and Fatecha and would add Camacho if circumstances allow before the transfer window closes. He can fill most positions in the midfield and is a good tackler.

Of the resident squad I also like Cinalton and play him as a support striker on the right of Ordaz. That means he comes in on his left foot and he hits a mean shot.

I had this one youth prospect appear in January dubbed 'the next Eto'o' in his description. Had mental stats for a 17 year old, couldn't bring myself to sign him in the end as I envisioned him developing to 99 OVRL within a couple of seasons or something equally ridiculous

Cinalton is decent cover at LM for me, but nothing more. Ordaz I transfer listed and sold as soon as I could, he's the absolute worst of the 5 or 6 strikers you're presented with at the start.

Yeah, that lot, plus Jaric and Irjescu.

Maqualao and Ettori are the real danger men for me. Once Maqualao developed a bit more over the season, i began to play him off Ordaz very effectively.
Ettori runs the show from the midfield. Love this guy! I like to run at players with him. If they stand off, he'll go through and have en effort. Otherwise he's great for setting up play an he'll often follow through and get on the end of action in the and around the box.
Sadly they are gone from this current challenging ML, where my most creative players would now be Xechinto and Heeders (but he's injured for 17 weeks). Irjescu has taken up Ettori's role, in his own style. His key feature is his howitzer of a shot from distance, which has proven decisive on occasion.

I usually have Ettori a little deeper, just pulling the strings and keeping things ticking over. Then Maqualao further up to slip in some dicey through balls, although he's usually completely gassed by about the 60 min mark I find.

Irjescu was a cult hero for me. No technical ability but a big physique and a cannon of a right foot. Used to bring him on just to snap the knees of any tricky opposition players. However I got a bid of £200k in Jan so let him go without a second thought.

How many have you brought in?

 

[Professor Nutmeg]

How many have you brought in?

Well, at the end of season one, i brought in a Polish RMF called Sropca to compete with Elegost. However, i'm not sure if you read my previous posts, but i didn't choose the club management option, therefore i have no control over money. I had an awful season on the pitch and ended up with bugger all money. In the off season, it was made clear to me that the club could not pay the players' wages and it therefore released about 15 players (all the highest earners, including my only signing, Sropca) and left me with the rest. In this case with 17 players. That is my squad. As i have no money, i can't bring in any more players, not even youth players (i might be able to sign youth players next season i think).

I decided to continue with this ML to see how far i could go, as after the 2nd fixture in the 2nd season, the chairman said i had to beat Norwich or i would be fired. Having beaten them and a few others, I'm still here...

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Trust me Proff, your genuinely on borrowed time and your job is hanging by a thread. The Chairman hates nothing more than breaking the financial budget. I got sacked over the same thing, 8 games into the season. With Bolton in the EPL. Chairman seem less forgiving in the Top Flight.

 

[Professor Nutmeg]

I'm sure you're right Jimmy. I just thought i'd give it a go, as i feel i had invested a bit of time in the first season, having finally seen players improve in their abilities.

 

[zlac]

Who do you rate out of the defaults?

Cotsload is ultra composed at the back, Ettori and Maqualao are also fairly competent with the ball on the deck, and Heeders is ok for popping up for a goal. Other that they can all do one.

Especially fecking Liebeirman.

My .02$ on 'all defaults/youths' strategy

Grab Schwarz, Camacho and Duffy from youth team, ASAP plus the ones famous from 2011 - Palmieri (toned down considerably, but still good) and Shimizu. Take into consideration GK's too - Fatecha/Ahmet/Cooper

Noteworthy defaults - Ettori, Maqualao, Cinalton, Cotsload ... El Moubarki and Ruskin are decent as fullbacks ... probably there are more of them, but I sacked immediately most of the defaults and signed youth players available during first season instead.

 

[Bawheid]

I’ve made more than one attempt to start a Master League and have to admit I have given up in frustration on a number of occasions. I have completed one season twice.

I’ve learned from this thread how static my approach has been and how I go through the same initial steps on each occasion. I religiously ignore some players because of their overall markings unless pushed into it and just flat out release a parcel of others.

The other intriguing (to me) suggestion comes from radhal who talks of 25 and 30 minute matches. I thought I was expanding my horizons finally going to 15 but if I can accept that the system is suitably sophisticated it makes sense that in an expanded format you will be given more time on the ball and there will be less need for the continuous end to end play missing out the midfield completely

I’m still unsure about the training aspect and have ended up going for the easy option of leaving it on ‘conditioning’ for the season.