PES 2012 Football Life thread

I totally agree guys, especially at Jimmy, this year I'm getting to a point where I'm tearing my hair out at the whiners who are just not playing the game to its potential.

This game has MADE me practice it for hours and hours and hours.

It has its flaws no doubt, but as a realistic depiction of football, this game is almost stunning.

Check these goals out for some variation and R2 finishing! Look at how un-cheap they are, look at the defensive positioning/lines/patterns of play and tell me it's cheap like FIFA!! This is in Superstar mode across the PC and the PS3, and all goals are hard earned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIEHmVIYuoE&feature=youtu.be

It's just a shame more people cannot or will not see the nuances the game has to offer. I'm working on a definitive best goals list to show people what can be done on here. People don't realise that in defence positioning is crucial and in attack space is the key! The reason why so many people are failing at the game is that they are playing it far too linearly, doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results. The change of pace, the angle of attacks, the slowing down on the counter INSTEAD of speeding up to gather more support IS CRUCIAL.

There is even an art to letting the opposition come onto you if they are a counter attacking team and play with many behind the ball. There are so many aspects to the game, so much fun to be had with positions, players with the right skill set in set positions etc, people are just missing the point I feel.
 
I have a new game play file out for the PS3.

Builds on what was in the last file, but has increased player movement and response to alleviate some of the problems of the game feeling less responsive on some pitches and times of day.

Also increased player stamina and form to help make cup and leagues more realistic as I felt that your starting line up was rarely right or consistant in world cups and master leagues

This can be installed without adding the rest of the patch if you want to try it. I recommend trying an exhibition match on 0 or even +1 (players speed and passing is different to the default konami file that plays much faster) in the Estádio da Luz, Allianz Arena or the new Juventus ground during the day on superstar to get the feel of how it is supposed to play.

So far all of the premier league have been tweaked and the large clubs in spain and italy. I will finish off the other big teams later. Most other teams previously edited, but need slightly tweaked.

https://rapidshare.com/files/2218915370/CHIMPSGAMEPLAY103B.rar

Let me know what you think
 
ccshopland said:
I totally agree guys, especially at Jimmy, this year I'm getting to a point where I'm tearing my hair out at the whiners who are just not playing the game to its potential.

This game has MADE me practice it for hours and hours and hours.

It has its flaws no doubt, but as a realistic depiction of football, this game is almost stunning.

Check these goals out for some variation and R2 finishing! Look at how un-cheap they are, look at the defensive positioning/lines/patterns of play and tell me it's cheap like FIFA!! This is in Superstar mode across the PC and the PS3, and all goals are hard earned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIEHmVIYuoE&feature=youtu.be

It's just a shame more people cannot or will not see the nuances the game has to offer. I'm working on a definitive best goals list to show people what can be done on here. People don't realise that in defence positioning is crucial and in attack space is the key! The reason why so many people are failing at the game is that they are playing it far too linearly, doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results. The change of pace, the angle of attacks, the slowing down on the counter INSTEAD of speeding up to gather more support IS CRUCIAL.

There is even an art to letting the opposition come onto you if they are a counter attacking team and play with many behind the ball. There are so many aspects to the game, so much fun to be had with positions, players with the right skill set in set positions etc, people are just missing the point I feel.
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Amen!
Will check the goals out when im home tonight.
 
ccshopland said:
I totally agree guys, especially at Jimmy, this year I'm getting to a point where I'm tearing my hair out at the whiners who are just not playing the game to its potential.

This game has MADE me practice it for hours and hours and hours.

It has its flaws no doubt, but as a realistic depiction of football, this game is almost stunning.

Check these goals out for some variation and R2 finishing! Look at how un-cheap they are, look at the defensive positioning/lines/patterns of play and tell me it's cheap like FIFA!! This is in Superstar mode across the PC and the PS3, and all goals are hard earned!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIEHmVIYuoE&feature=youtu.be

It's just a shame more people cannot or will not see the nuances the game has to offer. I'm working on a definitive best goals list to show people what can be done on here. People don't realise that in defence positioning is crucial and in attack space is the key! The reason why so many people are failing at the game is that they are playing it far too linearly, doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same results. The change of pace, the angle of attacks, the slowing down on the counter INSTEAD of speeding up to gather more support IS CRUCIAL.

There is even an art to letting the opposition come onto you if they are a counter attacking team and play with many behind the ball. There are so many aspects to the game, so much fun to be had with positions, players with the right skill set in set positions etc, people are just missing the point I feel.
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Some great goals on there by the way. It doesnt look like Zero Passing Assistance though, unless the Patch has tweaked that side of it. Shooting also looks different to me, has that been tweaked as well ? If not, what team is that your playing with ? Which players ?
 
Quick question please....I'm really struggling to sign players in my ML. So I've unlocked the item from the shop. Do I need to start a new ML for this to take effect? Also how much of a difference does it make?
 
mnj said:
Quick question please....I'm really struggling to sign players in my ML. So I've unlocked the item from the shop. Do I need to start a new ML for this to take effect? Also how much of a difference does it make?
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It will certainly make a difference, and I would suggest it would probably be a big difference. As for utilising it on a current ML, not sure. I haven't bothered unlocking it myself.
 
I play with Liverpool on club teams setup. Only this week I have made the final leap and gone full out no assists. So I'm Liverpool, with no assists (now), on Superstar using Yair's patch 1.1 for version 1.03 on the PC, and I use Chimps patches for the PS3.

In all honesty mind, the jump hasn't been that great with regards to the passing assistance. I think I have (even with assists on) a very good touch on the gamepad in terms of direction and button strength, and generally I don't ping pong anyway. The major difference is probably in the final third where you have to be that little bit extra careful to initiate that perfect lay off or through pass.

Had a lovely one-nil win yesterday on the PS3 v Man Utd, no assists, and on pitchside which I haven't played on for ages (normally use wide cam on my 37" LCD, PS3, or a modified camera setup on the PC, a kind of mix of wide/pitchside.)

So for my money, zero pass assistance, isn't really zero pass assiatance if you catch my drift, and in fact some moves I can execute easier, like the cross field Beckham style long ball, because of no assistance. I felt I got to the end of my learning curve with assists on on Superstar, so this is the last bastion of challenge for me.

For what it's worth I love this years game. The hours spent trying to master it to a level that I feel that I contest fairly v the CPU, has been mightily worth it. If only PES had FIFA's animations.....
 
i cant start new ML...i choose settings, team etc and when i should meet players on training scene its just black screen and loading icon.i tried without kitserver but same shit...
anybody with helpfuLl answer?
cheers! :BYE:

EDIT: SORRY WRONG THREAD!!
 
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After a very poor start to my 4th season in the Championship, I've just had an amazing match against West Ham at Upton Park in the F.A. Cup 1st Round. I've brought in Kantari, as CB with great technique and a Pin Point Passer Card. He is solid, reads the game brillianty and has keen eye for the clever stuff over the top. He's a great asset when pushing on, looking for a goal with an attacking 3-pronged frontline in either a Long Ball or All-Out-Attack preset tactic. He has pinged some beautiful balls over the top with both L2+Circle then R2 tap, or High Through-Ball. Great signing.

Anyway, so at Upton Park, Boro go 1-0 down in a minute after a real schoolboy error at the back was severly punished. A poor clearance was intercepted and, to be honest, quite ugly finished. 1-0 The Hammers. West Ham then doubled their lead as Boro were ripped apart by a stunning passing move and finish. 2-0 and it aint looking good.

A drastic switch at half-time changed the usual 4-4-2-Possession Game, to a 4-2-1-3 formation, two CM's pushed on, a LWF in Petrov, and 3 CF's, Tamudo, Emnes and sub Riberio. I also went All-Out-Attack. Shit or bust I thought.

A superb ball from Kantari set up the initial cross-field switch. With a advantage in numbers at the other side of the pitch, a ball from Souprayen picked out the overlapping Petrov. One slight touch from him to get control, and a first time Early Cross (L1 and Circle, Petrov has the Early Cross Player Card) was whipped in beautifully for Tamudo to volley home from close range. 2-1 with a minute gone of the second half. Boro dominated and were rewarded with an equaliser, anothert Tamudo special. Riberio and his fresh legs and upper body strength dispossessed the West Ham full-back, his ball to Tamudo was weighted perfectly, but Tamudo's first touch bettered it, as he pushed it immediately out of his feet (aware he had room to set up the strike)with R1 and relevant direction, then smashed one into the far top corner. (This was a pure laces strike, no R2 here.)2-2, game on.

West Ham came close on the counter but Boro responded and took the lead courtesy of Wellens and his superb right peg. A Emnes placed shot was blocked, but Wellens was on hand to pick up the pieces, his first time laces strike smashed into the far corner. 2-3 Boro.

Wellens had another great effort just before the whistle, it was on his least favoured foot, but he did well to get it so close. As he picked up the ball, a Fake Shot, (Square then X and direction) was bought by the CPU defender, as he committed with the tackle and was left feeling rather embarrassed. Another Fake Shot bought another yard as Wellens closed in on goal. With the keeper off his line, and Wellens set perfectly for this type of shooting technique (L1 and Square) he attempted a curling chip into the far corner. These are new to PES in this style of technique, they are clipped with power for a up-and-down style whipped chip. You can attempt these from anywhere now, which is a brilliant addition. Very difficult to master, they require the right player, right foot and right angle. Coming square. so you side on with the box is the best technique for them, and that's also the best way to clip them in real life. The chip shot with less power is now performed by alot of power in the shot, cancelled with R2.

Awesome game that, tactical change worked a treat, and some great goals as well. Shame Wellens couldnt have pulled that last one off, every single part of that attempt felt brilliantly realistic, even down to attempted cute finish.

YouTube - West Ham 2-3 Boro - F.A. Cup 1st Round
 
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Boro finished the evening's fixtures with a trip to Fratton Park, in what turned out to be another come-from-behind victory to secure a valuable 3 points. Pompey took the lead very early doors when Futacs beat the offside trap and calmly rounded the Boro keeper. 1-0. Petrov then leveled the argument with a trademark freekick that crashed in off the bar from close-range. (Push down on pad to activate 'floater' FK, then right and X )Futacs then put Pompey back in front with a powerful header from a corner. 2-1. Boro then once again leveled the match, some lovely one-touch passing and some 'thinking outside of the box' (R1 Dummy) set up Gomes to feed Emnes, and his R2 finish into the bottom corner made it all square.2-2. Boro than grabbed all 3 points after another cheeky Dummy (R1) once again confused Pompeys defence, and that man Carlos Martin pushed the ball out of his feet beautifully, then passed one into the bottom corner (R2 finish) to take all the spoils.

You got to love the subtle brilliance of the R1 Dummy. In crowded areas, it's that piece of clever thinking for both goals that made the difference, taking out two defenders on both occasions. :)

YouTube - Portsmouth 2-3 Boro

YouTube - R1 Dummy then R2 Finish
 
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whats the r1 dummy and how do u use it ?

also when r u releasing ur guide, cus im eager to elarn new tips and tricks from you ;)
 
Suarez x7 said:
whats the r1 dummy and how do u use it ?

also when r u releasing ur guide, cus im eager to elarn new tips and tricks from you ;)
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The R1 Dummy has been in PES for a long time, but it's criminally over-looked by so many. In fact, I dont think I've ever played anyone Online that has even attempted to use it during play.

The best time to use this Dummy, is when your aware that you have another option ( another player ready to receive the pass). If you check on both goals, there is always another player behind the player that pulls off the Dummy.

The initial pass has to have a little more power on than usual, that's because it has to 'have the legs' (pace on it) to get to the second player. Hold down pass, then hold R1 (Sprint) with no direction on the stick as the ball is on route to the first player. That is massively importantly, otherwise you'll will pull off something else. He will then Dummy it, by either lifting one leg to let the ball pass through, or open his legs for the same outcome.


This Dummy really confuses the CPU, and not only 1 CPU player, but sometimes 2-3. This buys you the time and space. It's the unexpected, and sometimes that is what you need to trick the CPU A.i. The great code of PES means that the Dummy in PES has exactly the same effect as it does in real-life. It upsets the oppositions body-balance, wrong-foots them if you like. Thanks to the inertia in PES is works brilliantly.

I really like the way these feints work in PES, it proves the CPU isnt programmed to attack just the ball, but more so the movement of the players. Which is brilliant programming in my opinion. It keeps everything realistic and relevant.

The best example of the CPU tracking the players movements rather than, the tracking of the ball, is this Super-Cancel 'Pele' style Dummy. This is pure genius in my opinion, brilliant 'off-rails' programming.

YouTube - Super Cancel Dummy


As for the guide/essay, it's a long way off yet, as I want to cover every single aspect of this PES. It's coming along well though. :)
 
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If you start off a ML but don't have club management enabled, you can't hire and fire staff - does this get automatically updated by the club, then? I've just won the division and been promoted, but my staff are still shit and I was pretty scandalised by the fact that my budget never went up in the season at all, regardless of wins, and the division winning reward was a tiny amount. I hardly bought anyone in, but still ended up not being able to pay wages at the start of season 2. Any thoughts?
 
Like the way you mention the input controls youve used in various situations during your write ups Jimmy.
Gives me ideas to try other things when playing.

Love the Pele Dummy, Have you ever pulled off a 'Bergkamp' Flick using R2 ?
 
im starting a new career with Sunderland, but im not sure what players to buy, any suggestions ????, so far i have recalled Asamoah Gyan as he one of my fav players in real life.

Also i edited my stats of sunderland players using pes stats database.com and any overrated stats i saw i lowered them a bit. the averate overall rating for my starting 11 is 79. is this too much ???
 
so far im looking into buying older player's who are easier to purchase. but when im looking at platers much of the individuality has gone.

im so annoyed that in pes 2012 they removed many special card and abilities unesssisary , which detract from the player individuality such as mauradiung, 1 on 1 finish, slide tackle, cut back pass, dF leader, 1 on 1 keeper, covering, man marking, passer. 9 PLAYER CARDS REMOVED !!!

they also messed up agility and acceleration which was just plain stupid, and they removed shot technique which is a very important stat.

in terms of player individuality i think pes has gone down this year, even though it is still good, last year was much better :(
 
Suarez x7 said:
so far im looking into buying older player's who are easier to purchase. but when im looking at platers much of the individuality has gone.

im so annoyed that in pes 2012 they removed many special card and abilities unesssisary , which detract from the player individuality such as mauradiung, 1 on 1 finish, slide tackle, cut back pass, dF leader, 1 on 1 keeper, covering, man marking, passer. 9 PLAYER CARDS REMOVED !!!

they also messed up agility and acceleration which was just plain stupid, and they removed shot technique which is a very important stat.

in terms of player individuality i think pes has gone down this year, even though it is still good, last year was much better :(
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Alot of the traits you mentioned as being removed are still in the game just renamed or merged with others.

Marauding - Decisive run / mazy run
Passer - pin point pass
Slide Tackler - Midfield enforcer
1 on 1 finish is still there
etc etc...

Shot technique is now split between Shot accuracy/Shot power/Technique/Ball Conrtol

plus different abilities now come into effect depending on what role you play said player in.
 
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Alot of the traits you mentioned as being removed are still in the game just renamed or merged with others.

Marauding - Decisive run / mazy run
Passer - pin point pass
Slide Tackler - Midfield enforcer
1 on 1 finish is still there
etc etc...

Shot technique is now split between Shot accuracy/Shot power/Technique/Ball Conrtol

plus different abilities now come into effect depending on what role you play said player in.
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sorry most of your answer you have given to me are false factS (no disrespect)

Maurading - could have been merged into mazing or incisive run but why should it be when before it was its own card.

Passer - is not pin point pass as pinpoint pass only works for long balls and there was a pinpoint and passer card in 2011.

Slide tackle is definatly not enforcer as thos are two completely separate things.

1 on 1 Finish - is definantly not in the game...

and shot technique i could sort of agree with you meh, but all the other points you have given were wrong as silly konami went AWOL and took out some individuality which was really not that needed.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
I really like the way these feints work in PES, it proves the CPU isnt programmed to attack just the ball, but more so the movement of the players. Which is brilliant programming in my opinion. It keeps everything realistic and relevant.

The best example of the CPU tracking the players movements rather than, the tracking of the ball, is this Super-Cancel 'Pele' style Dummy. This is pure genius in my opinion, brilliant 'off-rails' programming.
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I've used the R1 feint against you Jimmy, any excuse to dick around ;)

It's been a while since I've said it, and I used to say it monthly, but I very nearly scored one of those Pele dummies with Harry Kewell in PES 2. Hit the post, damnit. So that logic has always been in there - not just watching the ball but where it's likely to go next.
 
romagnoli said:
I've used the R1 feint against you Jimmy, any excuse to dick around ;)

It's been a while since I've said it, and I used to say it monthly, but I very nearly scored one of those Pele dummies with Harry Kewell in PES 2. Hit the post, damnit. So that logic has always been in there - not just watching the ball but where it's likely to go next.
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You probably did then Rom, I can't remember it right now, but it doesn't suprise me.

As for the Pele Dummy, I've yet to have an opportunity to be able to pull it off against the keeper, like the original. I forever dream of that day.
 
I still don't understand what R1 dummy is, Jimmy could u please explain further is it when u let the ball go through ur legs ???

also when is your guide gonna come out, cus at the moment i am finding it really hard to get past opponents as i don't know any tricks or skills, or all is hold down r2 and hope for the best.

Jimmy how do u usually get past players ??
 
Suarez x7 said:
I still don't understand what R1 dummy is, Jimmy could u please explain further is it when u let the ball go through ur legs ???

also when is your guide gonna come out, cus at the moment i am finding it really hard to get past opponents as i don't know any tricks or skills, or all is hold down r2 and hope for the best.

Jimmy how do u usually get past players ??
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Yes, that's it.

As for the breakdown, I've not had a lot of spare time recently to add to what I've written so far, mainly down to work and also picking up the new UFC game yesterday.

As for beating a player, you need the right player to be effective, Body Balance and Dribbling skills being the most important. Rule Number One though, don't use the sprint button. That alone, by technical definition will result in you showing too much of the ball to your opponent. Simple shifts in direction with the left stick, combined with holding R2 to bring the ball back close before moving away again is enough to mimic a drop of the shoulder. Also, holding R2 and pulling the stick in the direction you wish to drag the ball works very well in tight spaces.

Fake shot mixed up with R2 is also very effective. So, come onto your stronger foot, press Shoot then X and move the stick into the relevant direction to come back onto your other foot.

Holding R2 and a direction for a dragback keeps the ball close, but also acts as a kind of feint. This is down to the fact the CPU A.i, thinks that when you address the ball for a dragback, you looking to address the ball to play it/pass it. This buys you the second you need. I use this all the time, and I have a great example of McManus, my CB, pulling off an R2 Dragback in his own box. The CPU striker bought the feint/dragback, and slid in, he was left looking very silly, whilst McManus looked as composed as Franz Beckenbauer. :)

I'll upload a dribble by Petrov and Riberio (ML Youth), and that McManus R2 dragback shortly....

YouTube - Petrov R2 and Shot Fake Dribble




YouTube - The R2 Dragback



This is so subtle from Martins, the initial L1 and Direction for the explosive burst to get it out of his feet started it, but the R2 ( Hold R2, Push Direction) was all that was needed to come inside his first marker, then wrong foot the tracking defender. His R2 Finish placed/passed into the bottom corner was beautiful. (Hold power to 3/4 full, push right for the right corner and HOLD that direction, then tap R2).

YouTube - Martins R2 Turn and R2 Finish

This Riberio Dribble used a few of the Shot Fake/Drop Shoulder moves. This was a little more complex due to the fact I attempted a quick Dummy Shot Fake Dink right at the end. The idea behind that, was to fake a shot to make the defender commit, then to dink one over his leg. It nearly worked, but it just caught the knee of his committing leg as the ball was on the up.

YouTube - Riberio R2/Shot Fake Dribble and Dummy Fake Chip
 
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wowww, Jimmy your actually amazing at using R2 in this game. That second video with the martins finish was beautiful.

I wish i could do these things :(

also i googled Carolos Martins and i found that he is ruated much higher of pes stats database forums, they even gave him pinpoint pass. maybe if u ever stat a season again u could use Pes Stats Database to rate your players a little higher to their true value. Just a thought.

ALso i started a new season with sunderland, and playing agasint teams like bolton are fun, but when im up against man city and man united its really hard on superstar. Do u think its more fun if i start a season with default players in division 2 ????
 
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Suarez x7 said:
wowww, Jimmy your actually amazing at using R2 in this game. That second video with the martins finish was beautiful.

I wish i could do these things :(

also i googled Carolos Martins and i found that he is ruated much higher of pes stats database forums, they even gave him pinpoint pass. maybe if u ever stat a season again u could use Pes Stats Database to rate your players a little higher to their true value. Just a thought.

ALso i started a new season with sunderland, and playing agasint teams like bolton are fun, but when im up against man city and man united its really hard on superstar. Do u think its more fun if i start a season with default players in division 2 ????
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I don't like messing with Konami's stats to be honest, I prefer to keep them as they are, and he is class anyway. :)

As for Superstar Level, I wouldn't touch that with a barge-pole. Far too hectic, manic and severely unbalanced.

The question is what Passing Assistance are you using ? If you opt for Zero, which is the best for me by a mile, then using default players will be incredibly hard, even in Division 2.

I don't like any of the Assisted Settings, I want full control, and it's by far the most satisfying experience for me.

I'd try GTM World Patch if your using a PS3 and go with a top Div 2 team, maybe West Ham or someone like that with Zero Passing Assistance and Professional difficuly level with 15 or 20 minutes games. That combination provides a fantastic balance :)
 
This is another option, it's a high placed R2 shot. With 3/4 power and direction. See how he used his instep for the Passed/Placed finish into the top bag. It was off the back of a Manual Maxed out High Pass from Kantari. (L2 + Circle - Full Power), very route one, but I'd gone for the Long Ball tactic and 4-3-3 formation to get a goal back, and it worked a treat. That was probably Riberio's first touch as well. :)

YouTube - R2 Shot Placed High 3/4 Power

I love this one from Tamudo, this is a Maxed Out Power shot followed by R2 for the curl and control. These were not possible in any other PES. The technique is that of decent power followed by whip and control. He bends and places this into the far corner, it's beautiful replication. Again, check the animation, it's the controlled curler.


YouTube - Long Range R2 Curled Shot
 
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well, im on pc using yair pc patch, if that makes any differance and im playing on superstar with zero assists.

thanks for the video's im sure they took some time in uploading them. btw what do u find so unbalanced about superstar ???

so far i am finding some cheating and also that usually i concede and score many goals and games end up being 2-2 3-2 etc.
 
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Suarez x7 said:
well, im on pc using yair pc patch, if that makes any differance and im playing on superstar with zero assists.

thanks for the video's im sure they took some time in uploading them. btw what do u find so unbalanced about superstar ???

so far i am finding some cheating and also that usually i concede and score many goals and games end up being 2-2 3-2 etc.
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I'm playing a different game to you really, if you have gameplay tweaks, then it won't resemble what I have I guess.

I found Top Player and Superstar to be too 'full on' when using Zero Assistance. In a way, I'm handicapping myself in one regard with Zero, as I have to 'take a touch' of each pass before moving it on for the most part. So the pace and balance is reduced. I have to use R2 more as, once I've taken a touch, I can then be pressured, so I need to create time and space myself. Professional level I found harder than Top Player, but more balanced. Until I can beat this level consistently, I have no desire to change from it. I'm also using an average team really, which adds to the difficulty level.

I played Chelsea the other night in the 2nd Round of the F.A. Cup. I was 3-0 down with the first 10 minutes. :(

I feared a good old fashioned ass-whooping. I changed my tactics and looked to hit them on the break. I eventually, somehow, got it back to 3-3. Oh the magic of he F.A. Cup. Chelsea then broke Boro's hearts ( not for the first time) with an 88th minute screamer from Kalou. Never mind, there is always next year...............

xPJRx said:
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Sorry bud missed this somehow.

No, I haven't pulled that off yet, I don't think I have used a player with a high enough technique level to do it. One day though, hopefully. :)

I'm using the R2 'volley-take-turn' though quite a bit of late. As the ball is being trapped in the air with his chest or foot (mid-air), holding R2 and pushing in the direction I wish to take the ball is working brilliantly. At times, completely changing to the opposite direction from the original posture. Another superb example of the subtle nature of R2. Best button in the game.
 
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