What's the difference between that and E3 code?
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What's the difference between that and E3 code?
dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
Active in what sense though? Whats disappointed me more than anything is the lack of intelligence of the movement, as it's literally the same as L1+X in older games. I don't see any hesitation or diagonal/dummy runs, just ploughing straight ahead into no-mans land. All it's created is zero chance of build-up play.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Preview code is about a month and a half newer. Maybe more.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Have you made sure you have two layers of aliminium foil over your head? Otherwise the CIA can log-in to your brain!Conspiracy theories aside, I really can't believe people can't see the "run Forest run" stuff going on.
Whether it's a bug or a tactics settings is another matter. If it's just a blanket tactics setting in the demo I can somewhat understand Konami for doing it. Gametime per person is limited and they will want to show off the AI as much as possible, so maybe they made a poor decision (wouldn't be the first time) to go overboard to make sure everyone playing the game will notice. It's not like graphics have changed much, animation is better but still poor compared to FIFA so they do really, really need to show the AI working. And let's face it, there aren't hardcore people there most of the time so they need to be overwhelmed by any changes made.
It looks crap, and for us plays crap.....but it is showing the active AI very clearly. For the people playing they're probably thinking; "Hey wow, the AI is really trying to help me attack". We all know that everyone at those conventions plays like a nutter to atleast score a goal when do they finally get a game so defensive qualities go out of the window anyway.
Far-fetched theory, but sooo hope you're right. Either way, if it's there in final code/second demo we'll see it. Hopefully literally everyone will, and will all report it as a... bug.
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Liverpool
I know it's crap. But if you take a perspective of someone that doesn't pay much attention to football anyway and isn't in to footie games like us then I can somewhat understand if it's a tactics setting. I really hope so, because the game is looking so poor because of it ATM.
I would find it weird if it's a bug, because how could the team not see something like this going on and letting it get through quality control?
Expander
Banned
- 4 May 2010
Defending?...im as sinnicle as the next man but i know what im seeing from these videos and its not a bug.
I think the majority of us understand how real football works and that CBs dont blaze forward after a ground pass.However,gauging the context of when and why and if these are being inniated by the end user is a different story altogether.Ive seen plenty of examples where the CB dont rush forward and ive not seen one example where a defender moves forward and the opposing player easily breaches the back line.
Whatevers said and done the ai is working like a dream and there finally seems to be a very high degree of simitry between all the players.The zonal defending and the general awarenees of the team around you is breathtaking and theres always lots of support and two or three options in attack.A complete contrast to pes2011 where the ai felt to pedestrian and lacking any bite.
can you give us some examples where defenders dont bomb forward then?
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
http://peschronicles.co.uk/2011/08/19/the-running-men/
There's already a full (great) article about it! I have a name for this, it's called dedication. I LOVE the game and I want it to be great, if it's an issue fix it.
There's already a full (great) article about it! I have a name for this, it's called dedication. I LOVE the game and I want it to be great, if it's an issue fix it.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
I would also like to see examples where the defender doesn't rush after a ground pass. And if they are hard to find, then it just confirms the issue in the first place.
Well apart from time difference, what's different regarding gameplay etc?
Expander
Banned
- 4 May 2010
I beg to differ,the user inniated runs are strait but movement off the ball or driven by the ai is varied.Forwards peel of there markers and players all over the pitch are making sideways and diagnol movements.Theres always two or three options in attack and anyone with a fertile creative brain is going to be able to weave some real intricate pass and move.
Just because most playing at gamescom are just running at goal,turning there backs to goal or playing square doesnt mean theres no chance of build up play.This is a game designed for pass and move and build up play,which is more then evident by the movement off the ball.
dannyfc2
Premier League
- 9 June 2009
Which video?
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Well I wouldn't know for sure as I haven't played them, but obviously differences should be big in terms of code development (E3 is considered an "early" build, after preview code, it's close to the final thing).
so are you going to link some examples of where the defenders dont bomb forward? you seem to be making a lot of statements but not backing it up with any evidence
Ern Dog
Championship
- 23 October 2009
I watched one of the older videos and looked for this, sadly it appeared that lung bursting runs are constantly made throughout the 90 mins. Maybe next year.
On another note whilst looking for 2012 vids I came across a gamescom vid from 2009 showing pes2010, the game really has come quite a way since then, the animations especially.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Actually I've seen one of the vids, I think it was Milan with the CPU, on the last 20 minutes or so of the second half they stopped pushing forward and nearly "parked the bus". But I think even then they would "run forward" after every pass, but they then got back to a the deep position they were before.
Ern Dog
Championship
- 23 October 2009
Agree with this, the movement looks really, really good. When you watch the vids dont concentrate on the ball carrier, watch everything around it.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Jon said shooting was much better in Gamescom code than in what will be the first demo code. Don't think he mentioned anything else. Probably only tweaks, because there can't be that much development time between the builds. I would guess keepers could be a bit worse in demo too, since he reported back before that they worked hard on shooting and keepers after preview code feedback.
I would also like to say that I like the off the ball movement. What I/we are pointing out has nothing to do with that. We only point out the fact that there is a trigger run after every ground pass.
Ern Dog
Championship
- 23 October 2009
That must of been down to the management options, I remember seeing Ramos & Capdevilla(i think) running foward very late in the game as if they had just kicked off.
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Yeah I watched this before, they still do the runs, but after the 5-10 meter run is done they back down again. So the tactics works, but the glitch is still there.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Well, in the game I mentioned the CPU was winning 1-0 so they were protecting the advantage I guess. Same case?
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DagsJT
Guest
mrbamber Mark Bamber
Just played #PES2012 review code for the last hour - in 1 word fabulous.
mrbamber Mark Bamber
Didn't see any keeper problems, shooting & crossing has more oomph, everything felt as it should, Can't say more til review.
Just played #PES2012 review code for the last hour - in 1 word fabulous.
mrbamber Mark Bamber
Didn't see any keeper problems, shooting & crossing has more oomph, everything felt as it should, Can't say more til review.
Some player stats released by chaos if anyone's interested here.
EDIT:
Just tweeted bamber about the running thing:
@mrbamber Mate, can you at least tell us if every player barges forward after every pass, like in gamescom code?
mrbamber Mark Bamber
Tried to recreate everyone running forward and saw no problems, all as it should be
EDIT:
Just tweeted bamber about the running thing:
@mrbamber Mate, can you at least tell us if every player barges forward after every pass, like in gamescom code?
mrbamber Mark Bamber
Tried to recreate everyone running forward and saw no problems, all as it should be
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Jimmy G-Force
Resident PES Fanman
Burp !! Ooops, sorry. Ahem, are we still getting our knickers in a twist over this ? Chill people, it will be all good in the hood.
nerf
Forming triangles
What's your native tongue, Expander?
Gab_
I agree
- 6 April 2009
Sounds good. Really good. I wonder if there will be video reviews from them too soon, that would be the ultimate confirmation that they fixed it.
_anderson
Retired Fanboy
Best piece of news if he's sure of it
It does read as he acknowledged the problem from the videos and didn't spot the problem on newer code 
Hurray!
what does he mean by "tried to recreate", that worries me because you dont even need to recreate it just look at the match and check if every player bombs forward after passing it, does he even know what the bug is in the gamescom code?
crapsoccer
Banned
off topic
i find i kind of dislike when my opponent manipulates the teams formation
i most always play with the defaults formations setup
i find that my team & game play more of a realistic way,less arcade kind of football
have any of you here find that as well?
i find i kind of dislike when my opponent manipulates the teams formation
i most always play with the defaults formations setup
i find that my team & game play more of a realistic way,less arcade kind of football
have any of you here find that as well?