No, I play mainly on ten minute halves. I admire your passion and your defence of PES, in parts I really like it, but it doesn't stop what I have experienced and the short comings of the game. I could play on one minute halves, or a hundred minute halves, the fundamentals of my argument, I believe, remain the same.
That's what I'm talking about. You know, you set it to ten minutes. The game changes depending on how many minutes you play. Pere Ubu plays on 30 minutes but gets realistic results in pretty much all his games and again with me i've had 1-0, 1-1 games on 30 minutes.
Here's an example of the difference just between 10 and 15 minutes: it's substantial:
More testing, Villarreal (default) vs. tweaked Barca, using new team styles.
With 10min matches, there were hardly any visible differences. They outshot me (a lot), possession was pretty much even, 1-1, I won on penalties. Again, huge gap between Alves and Pique, diagonal through ball to Cazorla. Could have scored more, but lady luck wasn't on my side. Through-balls are decently effective against Barca.
They I finally switched to 15min and ... to be honest, it felt like a different game altogether. Bit more calmed down. Everything that was effective against Barca in 10min setup simply wasn't effective any more (i.e. through ball spamming), they were more organized, didn't rush that much. Again, they outshot me, but possession was pretty much evened out. Played two games, lost both of them. 0-3 in the first match, cheesy 2nd and 3rd goal. 0-1 in second, conceded in late 80-es. Although I had been able to maintain decent possession, most of the time I was pretty much helpless, unable to do anything concrete or dangerous.
Hmmm, I'm starting to wonder whether this game really is meant to be played on 10min matches?
It's because of the way the game made it's better on longer half's, things like first touches and passing speed. On PES defenders really aren't very agile due to stats and unless you have a very strong team with high defensive stats they often fumble. Most of the tactics aren't set up either realistically or to be solid and in general the game really isn't great on 10 mintues.
I agree with all the stuff you say but really it's almost a completely different game on 15, 20 minutes plus for example. You will be very surprised, trust me
PES6 ps2 is much more suited to 10 mintues because everything is instant! Instant first touch, instant turning, more rigid defending, everything is more responsive so it a better 'game' on 10 minutes but it way too much about sprinting and fake shooting past players etc.. It's not as balanced.
I'm not really up with the German league etc, Bundesliga used to be nauseating a few years ago, it's obviously perked up lol! My point was that you should be able to play different styles, but have a trade off in tactics. I don't think employing a few tactics here and there will change the core principles of the game, so a lot of my little points remain.
Thats ok, it's a very exciting league btw.
But trust me, tactics on this game dictate the game much more than on any other PES game. totally changes how the AI team plays!
You have played against Barca before on this game. With the default tactics is easy, i don't think i've been beaten but hem once, they just pass forward all the time and it's easy to beat their high line
it's because they aren't set up properly. The default tactics are based more around when Ibrahimovic was there and it's not telling Barca to conserve possession. In the tactics thread, give them this formation which was developed over discussions at JustPES give Barca this and lay against them.
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/3358/barcelona1.png
The best i've done is get a draw against them with Madrid (in 15 minute games) They just dominate possession and mug you when you have the ball like in real life! Messi is a complete nightmare, so hard to tackle, and just moves about everywhere, Xavi just loves to turn away from you. Then there's Iniesta, Villa etc..
Now that's just Barca, there's plenty of other teams there.
Many teams especially premierleague teams are give the complete wrong and unrealistic tactics and most of them in fact are just give the exact same one! Now combine that playing with 10 minutes then you aren't getting the best out of the game. Like zlac found out
I'll let Konami off, they have spent so much time on making this new game and getting the engine and functions right, they are clearly a bit out of touch on how certain teams play and there's translation issues with their means to present tactics but they have given us all the tools!
Just as a side note, I played 14 consecutive games on PES6 today on PS2, it's been a long, long, long time since I did that with a game. It has so many things done right that PES2011 is doing wrong. Most game are 0-0, 1-0, 1-1 affairs, when I score it is a real buzz as goals are so hard to come by.
I said before, but my favorite was PES5, didn't like PES 6 at all. too much about fake shots and sprinting for me, i mean like i said everything is instant, responsive so it's easier to get into and the defences are much more organized by default, it's more rigid (8 directions etc..) and compact so it's not easy like in PES 2011 on 10 mintues,
And changing the time of the halves won't change the fact that responsiveness is sometimes god-awful. I had a match the other day where if I had played it for half an hour I would have been swinging from the gallows, it was THAT BAD! Turgid, players turning like trucks, a midfield scrap fest, balls bouncing off here there and everywhere, all with a patched game. You just can't know how the game will play. The best PES2011 is out of the box, but it's too easy.
I would suggest holding R2 as i do for most first touch, i dunno, depends who you were playing with, i mean like the who shit first touches with average premierleague teams but when i give it to a gifted player he controls instantly! I mean my main issue is player collisions and rather poor physics/jerky animations.
There are responsiveness issues, poor player switching so i dunno if it's just those tot he extreme or maybe you where expecting too much from average players. I suspect your right and the game was freaking out.
So finally i don't feel as if your wrong actually it's more i think you very much like many others here who still have 10 mintues as the basis, expect the game to play like it did on PES 6 with all the instant response and everything, and in general being good out of the box really. I'm just here to just show you, PES has moved on and changed it's ideology a bit, it's more based on individuality, tactics and with players no having instant first touches anymore longer halfs gets the best out of PES.
I have an option file i'd like you to try out.
hahaha