PES 2011 Discussion thread

I've just been playing online for the first time ever - never bothered before.

It's a mixed bag, innit? I still haven't got used to that weird woozy feel of playing online (no serious lag for me, but everything seems to happening at about 95% speed, which is just enough to be slightly disorientating) and I seem to have come up against a real cross-section of online players. So far I've played one guy who was really good, chose a Dutch team and played proper, patient passing football and beat me fair and square; two or three horrible kids with Master League teams full of world stars who just spam the through ball; one weirdo who appeared to have no idea how to play the game, and a couple of people who were kind-of-OK but seemed to have the computer on their side (dodgy ref decisions, my players slowing down, their players travelling at 100mph and just barging me off the ball all the time). It's frustrating but kind of addictive.

Anyway, is there any way to hook up with Evo-Web folk and play some proper matches - 20 minutes, nice football, mid-ranking teams, etc - other than joining PEEL (which I may try to do, but not until I've properly got the hang of online play)? Not sure how the Community thing works, cos I'm a total noob when it comes to Online. If there's any way to do this, let me know (by PM if you like, if this is old news and you don't want to clog up the thread).

There are a few off Evo-Web who play online who you could hook-up with. Connection quality is everything online, as you have already stated, the 95% speed is a perfect description. Send me a friends request - GForce1010. We can hook up and play some proper football, I'll be online tonight. :)
 
There are a few off Evo-Web who play online who you could hook-up with. Connection quality is everything online, as you have already stated, the 95% speed is a perfect description. Send me a friends request - GForce1010. We can hook up and play some proper football, I'll be online tonight. :)

Hey Jimmy! how you doing M8

Sorry for the slightly off topic but remember a couple of weeks ago when you mentioned your weekly lads night and how with this game you really start to shine and with previous versions things was always tighter against your mates? Well yesterday i played my nephew and like yourself games in the past have been really tight and this used to piss me off no end because he has just a passing interest in football but he,s a decent gamer.

Anyway to be fair it was is first time on 2011 although this was'nt a problem before. So predictably he goes for Man u knowing i will play as the pool and therefore giving him a slight edge. I let everything ride on default formations,game plan the lot, then absolutley slaughtered him! I think because he was man u at old bastard (OOPS! sorry Trafford) the AI helped keep the score respectable with some great goalkeeping but he had 1 shot on goal in 15 minutes of hell (and neither of us could remember it lol). Boy did that feel good, ok with practice he would improve but you could just tell the footballer within me was running rings around Him and it was football that was beating him not just that i was more used to the game.

The next time he comes down i am going to let him be barca and i will be say bolton and see how that goes, there is no more matches to tell from then because he felt so deflated. Also in my moment of glory and big headedness (is that even a word lol) i took a screenshot of the match results. :SMUG: Footballers 1 gamers 0 (offline of course,i dont want to offend the cheating feckers)

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Right off back to the cave,now i have satisfied my childish urges to belittle my nephew. :LOL: Happy new year folks!
 
Send me a friends request - GForce1010. We can hook up and play some proper football, I'll be online tonight. :)

Ah cheers - I may well do that tonight. I haven't got a router, so I can't have my computer and PS3 online at the same time (which is a big pain in the arse), so I'll send a friend request then just stumble around for a while waiting to bump into you. I'm pere_ubu72 or something like that (can't actually remember cos I hardly go online, but it's got "pere ubu" in it anyway).
 
Hey Jimmy! how you doing M8

Sorry for the slightly off topic but remember a couple of weeks ago when you mentioned your weekly lads night and how with this game you really start to shine and with previous versions things was always tighter against your mates? Well yesterday i played my nephew and like yourself games in the past have been really tight and this used to piss me off no end because he has just a passing interest in football but he,s a decent gamer.

Anyway to be fair it was is first time on 2011 although this was'nt a problem before. So predictably he goes for Man u knowing i will play as the pool and therefore giving him a slight edge. I let everything ride on default formations,game plan the lot, then absolutley slaughtered him! I think because he was man u at old bastard (OOPS! sorry Trafford) the AI helped keep the score respectable with some great goalkeeping but he had 1 shot on goal in 15 minutes of hell (and neither of us could remember it lol). Boy did that feel good, ok with practice he would improve but you could just tell the footballer within me was running rings around Him and it was football that was beating him not just that i was more used to the game.

The next time he comes down i am going to let him be barca and i will be say bolton and see how that goes, there is no more matches to tell from then because he felt so deflated. Also in my moment of glory and big headedness (is that even a word lol) i took a screenshot of the match results. :SMUG: Footballers 1 gamers 0 (offline of course,i dont want to offend the cheating feckers)

matchstatsg.jpg


Right off back to the cave,now i have satisfied my childish urges to belittle my nephew. :LOL: Happy new year folks!

I'm good now thanks Buzzy, but spent 6 days over Christmas in bed with Manflu, and we all know how bad that is. :CONFUSE:

Funnily enough, after I wrote that last week, I then lost my unbeaten run on our Lads Night, and the league title. :LOL:

But every dog has his day, and my mate did that night. Still doesnt get away from the fact the better player usually wins, as you highlighted very cleary there. Barca v Stoke sounds like a great next test to the theory though.

Pere, dont worry, we will catch each other tonight at some point. Senegal and Chievo will be ready and waiting. :WOOT:
 
For anyone that's interested the Welovepes blog has been updated with the first hint regarding PES2012:

But we're back, and already in the know about PES 2012 and whats coming. We'll start to really get into the nitty gritty in the new year.

We'll start though with this: Seamless Experience.

So what do you guys think this could be? No cut-scenes, smoother animations?
 
Sounds like no cut scenes to me and seeing as WENB have also mentioned this it could be true. I hope so they are crap IMO.
 
I don't mind the odd cut-scene to be honest (after shots on goal), but continuous play would be most welcome for throw-ins and goal kicks so that they can be taken before the opposition can regroup.
 
It could also refer to a more seamless online experience - by which I mean one where you don't have to spend ages, for example, logging into the online community mode just to see if anyone's available in there to play. Something a bit more always-online where you can get game invites during an offline match.

Or of course it could be cutscene based, but I don't know how that would work really - contrary to common belief, you actually need those little black screens to do all the player resetting that would otherwise either (a) take several more seconds in order to achieve the same thing, or (b) lead to people being able to take quick throws and free kicks all the time, most likely leading to kids doing everything as quickly as possible and making the gameplay feel rushed. It's not like Konami reset the players just for the hell of it - it's necessary game design.

Of course, they might just replace the black screen with close-ups of players and little incidental cutscenes. Hopefully with the clock counting up in real time (not game time) whenever the ball is out of play.

It's a suitably ambiguous two word hint for it to be anything tbh.
 
It sounds good in theory but in the back of my mind I have some nasty thoughts of AI exploits to be had, just like the one-two and through ball exploits I had with 2011.
 
I think I've reached the final straw for football games this year. FIFA 11 was horrible, PES 2011 seemed fantastic at first but the more I've played it the less and less I enjoy it. There are just so many problems to overlook, so fair play to anyone who's still enjoying it. I wish I was.

I had a quick couple of friendlies just now against the AI on Professional level, and had the worst experience against the CPU I've ever had. First game, I dominated 70% possession, 15 shots to 2, lost 2-0. The first was, yep, you guessed, a through ball and finish, the second, well, was absolutely atrocious. A low cross came into the box to no one at all, and my defender, completely unchallenged, ran onto the ball and towards his own goal. I pressed the long pass button to clear the ball not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR frickin' times, and the game just ignored every command until he continued dribbling the ball into his own net. The game sometimes is a total mess.

Second game, I used Man Utd and the default tactics that go with them. No matter what I did, players would be offside in the most stupid fashion. 90% of my attacks broke down because I had players just wandering around 20 yards offside on occasion even with attacking set to just 14, so I had to completely halt my attack to wait for them to get onside, which they often refuse to do, meaning I can only pass sideways or backwards. I'm mindful of timing, keeping the players onside etc, and the AI sometimes makes it impossible to avoid when your team mate inexplicably runs 20 yards offside when the ball is nowhere near him, then refuses to come back. One time I hit a goal kick, only for the whistle to blow instantly for an offside up the other end of the pitch. I then scored a screamer with Nani, wonderful goal from 35 yards into the top corner, leaving me up out of my seat. Then it's disallowed. Why? Rooney for some reason had run totally offside near the corner flag but had nothing to do with the goal. I hit a long range shot and never expected my striker to be chatting to the corner flag up in the top corner of the pitch. It's just absurd. Another great moment ruined by a buggy game.

Then, the best moment of all, the AI defender has a free kick in his own half. He punts the ball down the field, but overhits the ball. It flies over the defenders and attackers, bounces into the penalty area, then slowly, and I mean SLOWLY, rolls past Van Der Sar who stands and watches the ball roll about 10 inches past him into the net. To put it another way, the AI took a free kick, then forgot to make the keeper move. Brilliant. This is the second time this has happened in the last couple of weeks, and I've not even played the game that much lately. I mean seriously, how do football games today pass any kind of quality control? The sporting world has some amazing video game representations these days, yet football, the biggest sport in the world, is dominated by two games companies who can't release a title any more without massive bugs and problems. I'd played that particular match for 75 minutes, then when that happened I just switched it off. It makes me not want to play it any more. Keeper mistakes I can deal with, but this wasn't a case of the keeper spilling a shot, being caught out by a cross, it was clearly bugged AI forgetting to command the keeper to do something. He just froze and let the ball roll past him, from a 60 yard punted free kick.

Aside from this, I've also realised that the AI will 99.9% win all physical battles on the higher difficulties, meaning even with the likes of Nani you cannot outpace the AI, and can only progress by passing and moving using the player run button when releasing the ball. The sheer lack of pace your players display compared to the AI is so artificial. Yes, you can knock the ball ahead, but I've still broken clear with Rooney and knocked the ball on into space, only to be caught, then knocked off the ball, by old, slow defenders. I've also had it with the game one moment making your player pass the ball as soon as the power bar appears on screen, then the next moment you'll kick the ball, the power bar appears, then nothing happens for a good 2 seconds before you get tackled. In short, button lag is still here in abundance. I'm now bored of jogging along with the ball, only to see an onrushing AI defender, then I tap the pass button to play the ball square to a team mate, only for the power meter to charge on screen, then there's a delay of a second or two, which affords the AI just enough time to get in and block the ball, or outright take the ball off me despite me trying to play the pass well in advance. Really poor.

Like I said, it's so annoying. I thought this year we'd have the best football games ever made, instead we've got two totally bugged messes, so no more football games for me it seems. Why bother wading through a master league and getting to the Champions League final when you never know if the game's going to kick in and make your keeper let in a goal by just standing there an ignoring the game going on in front of him? I'm sure others have never experienced this, but the game seems to have started doing this to me on a fairly regular basis now, and must have happened a good half a dozen times so far.

I just don't understand Konami. Say what you want about the PES games of old, yes they were less sophisticated, yes they were more unrealistic than they are now, but at least they didn't have constant bugs. First there's the corner flag bug, then I have bugged problems with starting a ML with a created team, now I never know if and when the game's going to completely disable my keeper. FIFA's just as bad, the AI in that is totally broken, and the main game modes yet again don't even work properly. Sure, PES2011 has redeeming qualities but overall, compared to many other AAA titles out there in other genres, football games today are a buggy mess. :(
 
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I think I've reached the final straw for football games this year. FIFA 11 was horrible, PES 2011 seemed fantastic at first but the more I've played it the less and less I enjoy it. There are just so many problems to overlook, so fair play to anyone who's still enjoying it. I wish I was.

I had a quick couple of friendlies just now against the AI on Professional level, and had the worst experience against the CPU I've ever had. First game, I dominated 70% possession, 15 shots to 2, lost 2-0. The first was, yep, you guessed, a through ball and finish, the second, well, was absolutely atrocious. A low cross came into the box to no one at all, and my defender, completely unchallenged, ran onto the ball and towards his own goal. I pressed the long pass button to clear the ball not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR frickin' times, and the game just ignored every command until he continued dribbling the ball into his own net. The game sometimes is a total mess.

Second game, I used Man Utd and the default tactics that go with them. No matter what I did, players would be offside in the most stupid fashion. 90% of my attacks broke down because I had players just wandering around 20 yards offside on occasion even with attacking set to just 14, so I had to completely halt my attack to wait for them to get onside, which they often refuse to do, meaning I can only pass sideways or backwards. I'm mindful of timing, keeping the players onside etc, and the AI sometimes makes it impossible to avoid when your team mate inexplicably runs 20 yards offside when the ball is nowhere near him, then refuses to come back. One time I hit a goal kick, only for the whistle to blow instantly for an offside up the other end of the pitch. I then scored a screamer with Nani, wonderful goal from 35 yards into the top corner, leaving me up out of my seat. Then it's disallowed. Why? Rooney for some reason had run totally offside near the corner flag but had nothing to do with the goal. I hit a long range shot and never expected my striker to be chatting to the corner flag up in the top corner of the pitch. It's just absurd. Another great moment ruined by a buggy game.

Then, the best moment of all, the AI defender has a free kick in his own half. He punts the ball down the field, but overhits the ball. It flies over the defenders and attackers, bounces into the penalty area, then slowly, and I mean SLOWLY, rolls past Van Der Sar who stands and watches the ball roll about 10 inches past him into the net. To put it another way, the AI took a free kick, then forgot to make the keeper move. Brilliant. This is the second time this has happened in the last couple of weeks, and I've not even played the game that much lately. I mean seriously, how do football games today pass any kind of quality control? The sporting world has some amazing video game representations these days, yet football, the biggest sport in the world, is dominated by two games companies who can't release a title any more without massive bugs and problems. I'd played that particular match for 75 minutes, then when that happened I just switched it off. It makes me not want to play it any more. Keeper mistakes I can deal with, but this wasn't a case of the keeper spilling a shot, being caught out by a cross, it was clearly bugged AI forgetting to command the keeper to do something. He just froze and let the ball roll past him, from a 60 yard punted free kick.

Aside from this, I've also realised that the AI will 99.9% win all physical battles on the higher difficulties, meaning even with the likes of Nani you cannot outpace the AI, and can only progress by passing and moving using the player run button when releasing the ball. The sheer lack of pace your players display compared to the AI is so artificial. Yes, you can knock the ball ahead, but I've still broken clear with Rooney and knocked the ball on into space, only to be caught, then knocked off the ball, by old, slow defenders. I've also had it with the game one moment making your player pass the ball as soon as the power bar appears on screen, then the next moment you'll kick the ball, the power bar appears, then nothing happens for a good 2 seconds before you get tackled. In short, button lag is still here in abundance. I'm now bored of jogging along with the ball, only to see an onrushing AI defender, then I tap the pass button to play the ball square to a team mate, only for the power meter to charge on screen, then there's a delay of only a second or two, then the AI gets in and blocks the ball or outright takes the ball off me despite me trying to play the pass well in advance. Really poor.

Like I said, it's so annoying. I thought this year we'd have the best football games ever made, instead we've got two totally bugged messes, so no more football games for me it seems :(

There is a reason why your dominating the game so much on PES. it's because i know your picking and playing against teams with 'long ball' set as their tactic.

Konami don't have a great in depth knowedge of how teams are set up tactically really and most of their default tactics are outdated. Also Knaomi have given so many teams the exact same tactics, what this means is most small/average teams play this very dull, defensive, counter attacking way.

Long ball actually means 'counter attack' So you will dominate the game without too much trouble since the team sits back and counters mainly with through balls.

You need to use this thread:
https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/60966/page-3

Giving teams their own realistic tactics settings opens up at complete new game :))

It's all there just Konami haven't set it up well at all :BRMM:


the second, well, was absolutely atrocious. A low cross came into the box to no one at all, and my defender, completely unchallenged, ran onto the ball and towards his own goal. I pressed the long pass button to clear the ball not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR frickin' times, and the game just ignored every command until he continued dribbling the ball into his own net. The game sometimes is a total mess.

One thing i've learned in all football games when this happens to me (i used to coincide loads of goals like this) is to NEVER clear the ball using the long pass button when your in doubt and when you don't have time at the ball, always use the shoot (clearance) button, it's more responsive, it's instant and it dosen't fuck with you unlike the long ball button :)
 
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I think I've reached the final straw for football games this year. FIFA 11 was horrible, PES 2011 seemed fantastic at first but the more I've played it the less and less I enjoy it. There are just so many problems to overlook, so fair play to anyone who's still enjoying it. I wish I was.

I had a quick couple of friendlies just now against the AI on Professional level, and had the worst experience against the CPU I've ever had. First game, I dominated 70% possession, 15 shots to 2, lost 2-0. The first was, yep, you guessed, a through ball and finish, the second, well, was absolutely atrocious. A low cross came into the box to no one at all, and my defender, completely unchallenged, ran onto the ball and towards his own goal. I pressed the long pass button to clear the ball not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR frickin' times, and the game just ignored every command until he continued dribbling the ball into his own net. The game sometimes is a total mess.

Second game, I used Man Utd and the default tactics that go with them. No matter what I did, players would be offside in the most stupid fashion. 90% of my attacks broke down because I had players just wandering around 20 yards offside on occasion even with attacking set to just 14, so I had to completely halt my attack to wait for them to get onside, which they often refuse to do, meaning I can only pass sideways or backwards. I'm mindful of timing, keeping the players onside etc, and the AI sometimes makes it impossible to avoid when your team mate inexplicably runs 20 yards offside when the ball is nowhere near him, then refuses to come back. One time I hit a goal kick, only for the whistle to blow instantly for an offside up the other end of the pitch. I then scored a screamer with Nani, wonderful goal from 35 yards into the top corner, leaving me up out of my seat. Then it's disallowed. Why? Rooney for some reason had run totally offside near the corner flag but had nothing to do with the goal. I hit a long range shot and never expected my striker to be chatting to the corner flag up in the top corner of the pitch. It's just absurd. Another great moment ruined by a buggy game.

Then, the best moment of all, the AI defender has a free kick in his own half. He punts the ball down the field, but overhits the ball. It flies over the defenders and attackers, bounces into the penalty area, then slowly, and I mean SLOWLY, rolls past Van Der Sar who stands and watches the ball roll about 10 inches past him into the net. To put it another way, the AI took a free kick, then forgot to make the keeper move. Brilliant. This is the second time this has happened in the last couple of weeks, and I've not even played the game that much lately. I mean seriously, how do football games today pass any kind of quality control? The sporting world has some amazing video game representations these days, yet football, the biggest sport in the world, is dominated by two games companies who can't release a title any more without massive bugs and problems. I'd played that particular match for 75 minutes, then when that happened I just switched it off. It makes me not want to play it any more. Keeper mistakes I can deal with, but this wasn't a case of the keeper spilling a shot, being caught out by a cross, it was clearly bugged AI forgetting to command the keeper to do something. He just froze and let the ball roll past him, from a 60 yard punted free kick.

Aside from this, I've also realised that the AI will 99.9% win all physical battles on the higher difficulties, meaning even with the likes of Nani you cannot outpace the AI, and can only progress by passing and moving using the player run button when releasing the ball. The sheer lack of pace your players display compared to the AI is so artificial. Yes, you can knock the ball ahead, but I've still broken clear with Rooney and knocked the ball on into space, only to be caught, then knocked off the ball, by old, slow defenders. I've also had it with the game one moment making your player pass the ball as soon as the power bar appears on screen, then the next moment you'll kick the ball, the power bar appears, then nothing happens for a good 2 seconds before you get tackled. In short, button lag is still here in abundance. I'm now bored of jogging along with the ball, only to see an onrushing AI defender, then I tap the pass button to play the ball square to a team mate, only for the power meter to charge on screen, then there's a delay of a second or two, which affords the AI just enough time to get in and block the ball, or outright take the ball off me despite me trying to play the pass well in advance. Really poor.

Like I said, it's so annoying. I thought this year we'd have the best football games ever made, instead we've got two totally bugged messes, so no more football games for me it seems. Why bother wading through a master league and getting to the Champions League final when you never know if the game's going to kick in and make your keeper let in a goal by just standing there an ignoring the game going on in front of him? I'm sure others have never experienced this, but the game seems to have started doing this to me on a fairly regular basis now, and must have happened a good half a dozen times so far.

I just don't understand Konami. Say what you want about the PES games of old, yes they were less sophisticated, yes they were more unrealistic than they are now, but at least they didn't have constant bugs. First there's the corner flag bug, then I have bugged problems with starting a ML with a created team, now I never know if and when the game's going to completely disable my keeper. FIFA's just as bad, the AI in that is totally broken, and the main game modes yet again don't even work properly. Sure, PES2011 has redeeming qualities but overall, compared to many other AAA titles out there in other genres, football games today are a buggy mess. :(

I feel you man. Although the quality control has been better than 2010, PES 2011 still suffers from numerous bugs (which ain't really an achievement as 2010 is possibly the worst football game in history - yes I rather play ATARI 2600's Pelé's Soccer).

The amount of scripting is ridiculous, especially when you play on higher difficulties. Both defensive and offensive AI are flawed. Players staying off-side, attackers not making natural runs, dumb defenders, oh and did I mention the goalies? Ping-pong passing (and shooting) is performed with more ease than in FIFA 10. It works so perfect with good passing teams like Barça or Arsenal that you don't even need to do much (pass-pass-pass-shoot-goal-rinse-repeat). Online could be a blast, however the servers are still rubbish (since 2008) so forget that too. I'm not even getting into detail, should I mention the switching system? Ball physics? Penalties ? Referees? Collision system? Binary header system? Commentary? Pumpkin hats? :BRICK:

And I agree with your view FIFA 11, too. Playing it feels like a wrestling match with lobbed through passes everywhere. Don't even get me started about online play. Almost 80% abuse the game. At least PES is fun and feels like football...when it works.

One can only hope Konami do as much effort (or hopefully more) as last year because the improvement from 2010 to 2011 is something I cannot deny. The game doesn't need a major overhaul. In fact I don't think it needs an overhaul at all. It needs a good WORKING switching system, improved AI, and animations and it'll be an excellent game. It's all down to Seabass and co.
 
NEVER clear the ball using the long pass button when your in doubt and when you don't have time at the ball, always use the shoot (clearance) button, it's more responsive, it's instant and it dosen't fuck with you unlike the long ball button :)

I agree, i stopped using the long pass to clear when 2008 came along. i will always remember it i passed back to the keeper and he stumbled letting the ball past him :CONFUSE: since then i always play safe and hit :square: it seems that unfortunatly some ghosts are still in the machine from 2008.

Also the other bit from your post that i didnt quote about konami not setting the game up right is also spot on. The game we all want is already there it just needs tweaking here and there.
 
I agree, i stopped using the long pass to clear when 2008 came along. i will always remember it i passed back to the keeper and he stumbled letting the ball past him :CONFUSE: since then i always play safe and hit :square: it seems that unfortunatly some ghosts are still in the machine from 2008.

Also the other bit from your post that i didnt quote about konami not setting the game up right is also spot on. The game we all want is already there it just needs tweaking here and there.

I'm also beginning to think many have have this FIFA mentality where we judge games on what we see on the surface only without really finding out why certain annoying this happen and wheather or not they can be sorted out or not.

We all know about FIFA and it's a complete package with all the licenses and presentation. Everything EA want you to see is set out of you on a plate. Obviously the depth isn't there and there's not much if anything you can do with it.

People these days because we all switched to FIFA at one time got so used to this 'product on the surface judgment' it seems treat PES the same when PES isn't a game to judge on the surface. We all forget this is a game which 'requires' editing and it always has! It's built to be edited.

You can see this where Konami allow so easily for people to use edited teams online, so easy to swap option files etc..

It's a shame really but it's not rocket science. LTFC is complaining about things which aren't an issue if you make a few tweaks. Don't blame him though, i mean ironically he's right about everything he said there, all he's wrong about is that these frustrations can be avoided with EASE!

I'm not saying he's even far wrong, and he has a point but his troubles can so easily be fixed by actually giving teams their proper tactics rather than the generic, rather lazily boring ones Konami have assigned :)
 
Hi guys,

Quick question: Is there any way to change those net colors? I know that they change automatically in some way, but I really need to know the exact steps. I've played a full ML season so far and haven't seen any other nets than plain white. My created team has a red/blue home strip and the nets are still white no matter the stadium I choose to play in. Are there any steps I need to follow in order to have the nets change automatically?

Thank you in advance!
 
Player support for that particular match was 14, which is Man Utd's default set up by Konami. But yeah, set it low and players don't really make forward runs, put it up a bit and they spend most of the match shaking hands with the crowd behind the goal you're supposed to be attacking.

The offside issues have been discussed a lot on here, and I do appreciate what has been said in the past regarding using skill to time passes right, making sure to spring the offside trap etc. However, I'm finding more and more than long range goals are disalowed because people nowhere near the flight of the ball are offside. I mean seriously, if you take a shot from 30 yards does anyone really double check to see if the AI has made your other players take offside positions off-screen? When Beckham once scored that famous goal from the halfway line, did he have a good look around to make sure players aren't chilling with the corner flag? Nope.

So many times I build from the back, slowly passing around, work the ball into a wide position, hold the ball up, then look at the radar before crossing and there are STILL players aimlessly offside on the other side of the pitch. So many times my attacks are halted becuase I just have to go backwards or hold the ball up, not because the AI makes your players make badly timed runs, that's no the issue. I have to halt attacks because my strikers or wingers, even when player support is less than 14, continually stand miles offside then just stay there, also miles away from the play. Play a lovely one-two with your winger & full back, resulting in your through pass putting the winger away down the left? Nope. Likelyhood is that it'll be called offside because someone not interfering with play is needlessly offside on the complete opposite side of the pitch, and not even making any kind of run. He's just offside for no reason.

Likewise, crossing into the box seems to go either three ways; your player will be offside from a cross, tapping the cross button as fast and light as you can, and holding R2 afterwards, still occasionally results in your player randomly whalloping the cross over the pitch and off the other side, and thirdly, your players never make runs across the defenders. Either your strikers are never there, even when you build up slowly down the wings, or they arrive late and get under the ball, or arrive late and try a diving header that they 100% always miss by an inch. Sigh.

As for the long pass issue, cheers, I'll give that a go if I bother to go back to it. I'll also check out your link klashman, so thanks for taking the time to help.

Little gameplay nauances I can generally handle, and like I said, I have no problem with keepers being 'dodgy' now and again, that happens in real life. But I do have a problem with the game when the AI simply forgets to make my keeper move at all when the ball is dribbling towards him at slower than walking pace, and he just stands there and lets it roll into the net. The funny thing is, while the ball goes in, the keeper takes the time to turn his head and body position so he can watch the ball dribble past him and into the net.

This has happened far too often for me, so in my opinion it's a massive game breaking bug. Never knowing when your keeper's going to do this kinda ruins competetive ML games. It certainly doesn't look like a dodgy keeper error, it's a clear bug where the AI just isn't functioning properly.

And as for the higher difficulties feeling more like FIFA in the way the AI closes you down and barges you off the ball, well, it's a cheap AI trick of making the game 'seem' harder rather than upping any sense of AI intelligence. All it does is make it harder to score. The AI to me doesn't seem any better in an attacking sense on Top Player than it does on Professional. You just get hounded by multiple sprinting defenders.

I dunno. I do think PES has more depth than FIFA, but also I find that both games have become less and less fun to play the more I play them, which is sadly what I never found with PES on the PS2. I'd play for months and still discover something new. Now, all I'm discovering are bugs that don't play out until you've had some extensive time with the game. This in itself is an oddity, because sure PES2011 is far more advanced a simulation than PES5 for example. However PES5 made you feel rewarded for learning the game, whereas any sense of reward PES2011 offers is quickly removed when the game punishes you by removing control from your defender when he's the last line of defence with dodgy cursor switching, you can't play a pass in time because the button lag randomly kicks in, button presses sometimes don't work at all, or when it disables your keeper as the ball trickles past him from a 60 yard clearance.

Just look at other sports titles. Basketball, American Football, F1, Golf, Boxing, have all had some awesome sports titles in the last couple of years, yet football games have been so bugged year after year that now game modes don't even seem to work properly. FIFA's the main culprit by far, but even starting a ML with a created team in PES2011, something that wasn't an issue back in the day, required me to have to search the internet for a solution to the bug whereby your team is given way too much money. Yes it was patched I think, but it was still there and halted people's enjoyment for months. It's a total joke.

Games really need a 2 year development cycle. PES got away with it in the PS2 days because they were less sophisticated, but now it seems modern titles by definition need more time to make becuase there is more for the developers to develop. Sony and Microsoft release AAA titles that look and play amazing, because they take their time. Drake's Fortune 2 or Halo Reach both had good, lengthy development cycles and they reaped the rewards. PES and FIFA are rushed out year after year, and boy does it show.
 
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I wish I had this problem of CFs always standing way offside, my CFs seem to think that they are CMFs and stand around in the middle of the pitch!
 
I'm sure others have never experienced this, but the game seems to have started doing this to me on a fairly regular basis now, and must have happened a good half a dozen times so far.

this happens to me since pes 09

game punishes good players, AI need to score somehow
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I dunno. I do think PES has more depth than FIFA, but also I find that both games have become less and less fun to play the more I play them, which is sadly what I never found with PES on the PS2. I'd play for months and still discover something new. Now, all I'm discovering are bugs that don't play out until you've had some extensive time with the game. This in itself is an oddity, because sure PES2011 is far more advanced a simulation than PES5 for example. However PES5 made you feel rewarded for learning the game, whereas any sense of reward PES2011 offers is quickly removed when the game punishes you by removing control from your defender when he's the last line of defence with dodgy cursor switching, you can't play a pass in time because the button lag randomly kicks in, button presses sometimes don't work at all, or when it disables your keeper as the ball trickles past him from a 60 yard clearance.

this is correct
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The offside issues have been discussed a lot on here, and I do appreciate what has been said in the past regarding using skill to time passes right, making sure to spring the offside trap etc. However, I'm finding more and more than long range goals are disalowed because people nowhere near the flight of the ball are offside. I mean seriously, if you take a shot from 30 yards does anyone really double check to see if the AI has made your other players take offside positions off-screen? When Beckham once scored that famous goal from the halfway line, did he have a good look around to make sure players aren't chilling with the corner flag? Nope.

So many times I build from the back, slowly passing around, work the ball into a wide position, hold the ball up, then look at the radar before crossing and there are STILL players aimlessly offside on the other side of the pitch. So many times my attacks are halted becuase I just have to go backwards or hold the ball up, not because the AI makes your players make badly timed runs, that's no the issue. I have to halt attacks because my strikers or wingers, even when player support is less than 14, continually stand miles offside then just stay there, also miles away from the play. Play a lovely one-two with your winger & full back, resulting in your through pass putting the winger away down the left? Nope. Likelyhood is that it'll be called offside because someone not interfering with play is needlessly offside on the complete opposite side of the pitch, and not even making any kind of run. He's just offside for no reason.

Likewise, crossing into the box seems to go either three ways; your player will be offside from a cross, tapping the cross button as fast and light as you can, and holding R2 afterwards, still occasionally results in your player randomly whalloping the cross over the pitch and off the other side, and thirdly, your players never make runs across the defenders. Either your strikers are never there, even when you build up slowly down the wings, or they arrive late and get under the ball, or arrive late and try a diving header that they 100% always miss by an inch. Sigh.

As for the long pass issue, cheers, I'll give that a go if I bother to go back to it. I'll also check out your link klashman, so thanks for taking the time to help.

like i said, my tactics should help.

You just sound, very, very frustrated really. You had a bad session, bad PES day :) . I really don't believe the issues you talk about are game breaking as they are unpreventable etc.. Because like i said, all of this can be sorted :)

Player runs for example. 0 is for teams who want to attack slowly, and 20 is for teams who want to attack in a hurry. Players makes runs on 0, it's just that they make themselves available mainly fro backwards passes, sideways etc.. where as with 20, everyone moves forward ahead of the ball!

Also i don't get that Keeper not moving for really slow balls, it's the crap animations which are the problem!
 
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