PES 2011 Discussion thread

mfmaxpower said:
Well first of all, it's not "totally" manual - there is still an element of assisted, so in a sense it's a misnomer to call it manual. (In fact, a lot of folks are pissed at how much more assisted manual controls are this year. Lob passes in particular are quite assisted now.) Irregardless, player stats definitely DO have an influence on manual passing in FIFA, just as they do with the manual modifier in PES. Anyone who says they can pass as well with Pique as they can with Xavi with manual passing in FIFA is full of shit. Are stats as influential as they are with PES's manual modifier? Maybe not. But they do have an influence.
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You can say I'm full of shit if you like but stats had no effect on manual passing in FIFA10 and realise I am talking about FIFA10 here and not 11. I remember playing as league 1 teams and the passing was identical to playing with Arsenal or Barcelona, everything went exactly where I wanted and if it did not I knew it was because I made the mistake and this is where FIFAs manual passing was crap to me, a league 1 defender could pass the ball as well as Fabregas.
 
D3 Competitions seem a lot more open, only two had won all their games before I switched off.

Had some cracking games, got tore about by Ribery early on, snatched two quick goals and had to spend the rest of the game humping balls away from my box. Concluded with him heading it over with his keeper last minute from a corner.

Last game I was 1-0 down, until I threaded a ball to Jimenez, fooled the keeper, and got brutely hacked down with an open goal. Fuller smashed the pen into the post tho, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
 
Just had a shot that hit the bar, bounced just in front of the line and then spun OVER the bar.

Ball physics fail :FAIL:.
 
Ern Dog said:
You can say I'm full of shit if you like but stats had no effect on manual passing in FIFA10 and realise I am talking about FIFA10 here and not 11. I remember playing as league 1 teams and the passing was identical to playing with Arsenal or Barcelona, everything went exactly where I wanted and if it did not I knew it was because I made the mistake and this is where FIFAs manual passing was crap to me, a league 1 defender could pass the ball as well as Fabregas.
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Well all we can do is go from our own experiences. I know that with top teams in FIFA 11 I'm passing in the 80s on Legendary with manual passing but in my Lincoln City career I more often than naught droping in 70s. Sure there's many things at play but i personally notice a difference when passing with different caliber players. I also know that manual passing is still slightly assisted, like I said especially lob passing, so I would be surprised if stats then played no part at all.

In the end it comes down to preference I guess. Whether it's an FPS or sports title I almost always immediately switch the settings to whatever gives me the most responsibility, but that's me. FIFA is still poor when it comes individuality and as someone who enjoys playing with the less popular teams I have no problem saying Personality+ has been a very underwhelming addition, but I still enjoy that FIFA provides a less-assisted option even if it has a slight detrimental affect on individuality.

Hopefully I'll get competent enough with PES's manual pass option so I can ignore the default through pass button entirely, though I still feel for what Northzzz is saying.
 
Really struggling with understanding the differences between the effects on dribbling of R2 and L2. It seems to me that L2 pretty much makes R2 useless, am I missing something? When is R2 dribbling a better alternative to L2?
 
well i pretty much use r2 with central midfielder and l2 with wingers and strikers... I love the game , my only issue is that konami has made the CPU so aggressive and disposses you from the ball too easy and feel automatic wich I find that I have less freedom and the game feel more like fifa and automatic tackling from the cpu
 
L2 is the best way to stop auto-tackling from the CPU and i tend to use R2 to set up changes of pace or control the ball.

I don't know if there's some secret to be revealed by R2 myself but i find overall it's not as useful as L2 to beat players.

Perhaps it comes into play when you attempt feints and step-overs?
 
u all mean L2 + Right Stick ?
thats the default feints i guess

tbh i use my own simple L1 feints more, and even R2 close control more
hell even left stick only simple feints(there are a few yes :P)
 
Hello ppl, noob here,I got pes 2011 yesterday and me and my friend would like to know can we both play master league online together with him beeing a guest on the same console and if so how?.please help:) thanks
 
I have always used R2 for close control. I think the difference between it and L2 is that L2 allows you to do step on skills which means that you dont have the ability to turn 90 or 180 degrees with close control because you will move the ball to the side or drag it back.

mfmaxpower it took quite a while before using L2 to pass became second nature for me and even still I could be using it alot more. I played a few games and used it as the only means of passing which helped get it into my head, give that a go.
 
On previous PES i also used to use R2 to close control but in my opinion it seems to have been replaced by L2 here.

I played it last week with my friends (we have a communal master-league with fixed players). Now the week before i was getting moaned at for losing possession :SHAKE: a lot more than i used to. Hence i started moaning and saying "dribbling is wrong now" :LMAO: .

Anyway i tried L2 dribbling after this and i really did find, with L2 close control you animate differently when the CPU goes for a tackle.

As well as the actual manual tricks L2 seems to do automatic little touches that help twist and turn the defence and keep possession.

See what you chaps reckon anyway but it definitely changed my possession game.

Last week it was all smiles :SMUG:
 
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Ok, so this is the first time I have read a PES manual (was board) and the shooting/crossing is confusing me. Until I have read this, I was winning most of my matches, but since reading it, and trying the different shots, im loosing more from trying to do them. So, here we go, If there right, just say right ect.

Shooting
Controlled shot = press RT when the power bar (guage) is on screen
Chip shot low = press RB when the power bar (guage) is on screen

Im fine with the normal shot and LB chip shot. If it is that, why didnt they do it so it hold in RT instead of pressing it when the power gauge is on the screen.

Crossing
Lofted ball = hold in RT and press B whilst RT is in
Early Cross = hold LB and press B whilst LB is in

Thats what I think on the crosses, but in the manual for a lofted ball it says
RT, B
It doesnt say Hold before the RT like the Early cross does.
 
Ern Dog said:
I have always used R2 for close control. I think the difference between it and L2 is that L2 allows you to do step on skills which means that you dont have the ability to turn 90 or 180 degrees with close control because you will move the ball to the side or drag it back.
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u can do simple step overs with plain right stick so i use it to take on? players, thats why i dont use L2 that much
and as i wrote i like my simple L1 feints more, more intuitive to do them with the same button all the time

often r2 close control is this to the side movement in 011 now so i might check L2 for the close control
can someone confirm that btw ?
 
Hello ppl, noob here,I got pes 2011 yesterday and me and my friend would like to know can we both play master league online together with him beeing a guest on the same console and if so how?.please help thanks
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ANYONE?
 
Is there a new disconnect cheat?

Just played 3 consecutive games, each time I went ahead I got 'Connection Lost' a couple of minutes after, with the win awarded to the opponent. There was barely any lag in any of the games either.

Fuming. Just played an utter cunt of a player, hacking me down at every opportunity, managed to get ahead and suddenly 'disconnected'.
 
Hi guys,

going to pick this game up to have a bit of a change from Fifa...just a few questions from all you guys have it.


1) Are you waiting any current patches to improve gameplay or anything like that? Reason i ask is that i wanna dive straight into Master league. Have not played that in god knows how long.

2)I think Klashman suggested the CPU change tactics according to game situations. This is brilliant, can you actually notice it? E.g...CPU needs to win 2nd leg by a few goals, so they start the match with tactics on the attack.

3)Is this more challenging than Fifa? I know its a matter of opinion but opinions are all we have :)

Thanks for your time.
 
MindlessDrugHoover said:
1) Are you waiting any current patches to improve gameplay or anything like that? Reason i ask is that i wanna dive straight into Master league. Have not played that in god knows how long.
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There are some in the pipeline, but they'll be a while yet I think. The main thing most people are waiting for in the short term is an option file with full Bundesliga, plus extra European teams and/or Championship sides. The WENB one is imminent, and there are others coming out too. There are already OFs with the kits.

The gameplay's fine at the moment, anyway. There are annoyances with this game which you'll discover for yourself, but few of them affect the actual gameplay. It's pretty amazing, once you've mastered the very steep learning curve.

MindlessDrugHoover said:
2)I think Klashman suggested the CPU change tactics according to game situations. This is brilliant, can you actually notice it? E.g...CPU needs to win 2nd leg by a few goals, so they start the match with tactics on the attack.
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Yeah you notice it. Every team has a range of different pre-selected tactics which they use at different times in different situations (e.g. last 15 minutes, if they're losing, they'll go "all out attack", whereas if they score in the first half they spend the rest of the game on "quick counter"), plus a set of sliders for how tight they press, how high a line they play, whether they go down the middle or down the wings, stuff like that. The problem, of course, is that Konami's default settings seem to have been done with their usual lack of knowledge of European football, with lots of teams playing the wrong kind of football compared to real life. You have to tinker with it a bit, and people are working now on how to set up team styles correctly. You can play around with these yourself though, it only takes half an hour or so to change settings for a league's worth of teams.

But yes you can definitely tell the difference. I started off with a Spanish season playing against nice pretty-pretty Spanish teams, then I got drawn against Fulham in the Europa League. I won't forget that away game in a hurry - suddenly everything was happening at double speed, I was being pressed and hassled all over the pitch, just what you'd expect for a mid-table Spanish side getting their first taste of English football. The game against Marseille was totally different - they sat back and soaked up the pressure then kept hitting me on the break with balls through to Gignac, then after I scored they all came surging forward. It's really good.

MindlessDrugHoover said:
3)Is this more challenging than Fifa? I know its a matter of opinion but opinions are all we have :)
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Depends what you mean by challenging. It's certainly challenging to learn the game: prepare for a few days of frustration as you try to get the hang of new passing system (although if you've played FIFA on manual it won't be such a culture shock) and battle with the eccentric player-switching and very difficult shooting system where you have to take into account body balance, angle of approach and so on. Get ready to see most of your shots sail over the bar or dribble into the goalie's hands until you've cracked it.

Once you've got the hang of the game it's quite easy to dominate possession (especially as most teams seem to have "quick counter" and "long ball" as their default strategy - you see a bit less of the ball if you play against a strong attacking, possession-orientated team). With a good passing side it's common to have 60% possession against weaker teams, but the thing is, if you make a mistake the AI will punish you. Some people have complained that Top Player is a bit easy, but most of us have found it's a pretty good level of difficulty.

The main strength of this new PES is its depth, which is another kind of challenge. You can play any kind of football you like, depending on the players you're using, as opposed to FIFA where it can get a bit one-dimensional. You actually have to counter the other side's tactics, and play to the strengths of your own team. I haven't started a Master League, but I'd guess that with the default players it would be very tough on Top Player. Some might disagree.

I'm no one's idea of a "fanboy" (I barely know what it means), in fact I pretty much gave up on the PES series for four years like a lot of other people. This has got me back in the fold, though, and when I went back and tried out FIFA 11 again the other day, it looked really hilariously bad by comparison.

Just remember that it takes a while to learn the game, and until you do it can be pretty alienating. Have patience and you will be rewarded. :)
 
Thank you my good sir for answering my questions, in detail to :) Really appreciate it.

I shall keep Fifa for good old multiplayer fun, but I'm more intrested in a deep single player experience. I remember this from the master league back in the day. So I look forward to picking this up in half hour :) only £24.99 from Game to.

Thank you again :)
 
I have been working on editing the game play on goalgerd's option file.

I have so far done the premier league and I am half way through the seria A teams.

I have slowed the passing down, slightly increased player movement and agility and increased the difficulty of the game so opposition attack and defend better and get more possession. I have also tried to make each team difficult to play against as there should be no easy games on top player and where they should, attackers stay ahead of slower defenders.

I should have a beta of the file out at the weekend with hopefully the spanish league edited aswell.

I wouldn't mind some of the people on this thread giving me some feedback on how they think it plays as from what I see the game is disected a lot deeper on this thread than anywhere on the net.
 
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Pere Ubu said:
There are some in the pipeline, but they'll be a while yet I think. The main thing most people are waiting for in the short term is an option file with full Bundesliga, plus extra European teams and/or Championship sides. The WENB one is imminent, and there are others coming out too. There are already OFs with the kits.
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I will have a beta out this weekend with every player in the premier league, seria a and la liga individually edited.

I will then get feedback, edit the game play again and move onto the other leagues and nation teams
 
15th in the ML Open qualifying.

Got 4-0, 1-0 and 2-1 wins. Been playing awesome with my new team after I reset it yesterday. This is the first competition I've entered with them too and we don't have any big names. Managed a 0-0 just now against a side with Rooney, Malouda, Alves, Ramos et al. Defended brilliantly. No doubt in my mind that the most solid defence is El Moubarki, Stremer, Valeny and Ruskin.

Into the knockout stages now, no doubt out straight away. :D
 
iluvnineties said:
Wooooww my godness, guys at former PESInsight now (Pes Gaming) are destroying PES11 saying its the worst PES ever! Saying its the ping pong game and so easy! Jesus fucking christ!
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Take no notice. PESGaming is one of the worst PES forums on the net. It used to be great back in the PESInsight days but everytime I check back on their forums now it's just full of negativity, whiners and arseholes.

We all know that PES2011 is a good game, the best on next-gen and arguably better than PES5 (at least in terms of gameplay). If the overall vibe on their forum is that it's the worst PES ever then they are only discrediting themselves, and looking rather silly doing it.
 
Out in the first knockout round to some idiot who likes the through ball button, every time. No chance that anyone who plays proper football will win a competition like that. Especially not if they have a team like mine. :D
 
Bailzebub said:
On previous PES i also used to use R2 to close control but in my opinion it seems to have been replaced by L2 here.

I played it last week with my friends (we have a communal master-league with fixed players). Now the week before i was getting moaned at for losing possession :SHAKE: a lot more than i used to. Hence i started moaning and saying "dribbling is wrong now" :LMAO: .

Anyway i tried L2 dribbling after this and i really did find, with L2 close control you animate differently when the CPU goes for a tackle.

As well as the actual manual tricks L2 seems to do automatic little touches that help twist and turn the defence and keep possession.

See what you chaps reckon anyway but it definitely changed my possession game.

Last week it was all smiles :SMUG:
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That seems to be my experience too. I'll retain possession and maybe even twist a defender around using L2 in cases in which I probably would've lost possession if I'd used R2. And like you said, it does appear with L2 you "animate differently" than with R2.

(I'm talking about just basic dribbling here, not feints or tricks. I know L2 is used for RS feints but I'm referring to using L2 simply in replace of R2 for close dribbling.)

Also, is there no lateral movement when dribbling, for example, can I push the ball to the right with the outside of my right boot? So many times I want do something like this, and I guess I could use a ball roll, but I feel like there's gotta be some way I can simply tap the ball to either side with the outside of my boot to avoid or create space from someone coming straight at me, no?
 
Hello,

I am new here and i dont know where to post .

When i try to install a patch a should Update the Game.

When i do that and the procces finish at 100 % at the end it says Update Failed..


What might be the problem ?
 
Oh FFS I can't put up with this anymore, play someone from D2 and inevitably he's fucking awful yet has Messi - Rooney - Arshavin upfront.

60 minutes in, I score, suddenly, literally after I see the replay 'Connection Lost'. Utter fucking pricks. 4th time today, and my rating has now dropped from 512 to the 440s.
 
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