PES 2011 Discussion thread

[pellandi]

Hey, I love this game. but i want to play premier league in master league without having those weird teams coming up to first division after a season.

I have found some OFs with championship teams, but none in my version...i have the bles21.....PLEASE, DO SOMEONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND AN OPTION FILE WITH CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS FOR BLES21???

 

[gomito#10]

You can fully patch the PS3 version and youre still tinkering with option files?

how?

 

[Matt10]

Anyone know which League has the most day games in it? Playing with Fulham in the Premiership and there are more night games in Master League than there should be - anyone have any idea?

 

[Scutch]

how?

How indeed?

 

[Lami]

Hey, I love this game. but i want to play premier league in master league without having those weird teams coming up to first division after a season.

I have found some OFs with championship teams, but none in my version...i have the bles21.....PLEASE, DO SOMEONE KNOW WHERE TO FIND AN OPTION FILE WITH CHAMPIONSHIP TEAMS FOR BLES21???

Same here. Been looking for a while but can't find any. Just one which is basic is out though, only kits, badges, emblems and team names done. Player names, looks, and stats all unchanged.

Last year Konami released two Euro versions from what I remember. Not sure why they released three this time, one of them a UK version only.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Received the best part of over 100k for that win, which leads me to believe prize money is based on team strength difference above all else as his ranking was about a 100 less than mine.

Thats right, it's actually on the value of the team your playing against. The more stars they have in their team, the more your gate receipts increase as more fans flock through the turnstiles. It's a great concept.

You can fully patch the PS3 version and youre still tinkering with option files

Yes I am, obviously I dont have my PS3 Jailbroken. But obviously you do, so give yourself a great big pat on the back.

 

[Ern Dog]

Does anyone else have problems with corners? And by problems I mean conceding from them every time. Yesterday I played 3 MLO games and let in about 8 goals and only 1 was not from a corner. My players will not jump to head the ball away, they are rooted every time.
At first I had problems in the demo with corners, I thought they were horrible and broken but after a while I adjusted and thought they were good and much harder to defend than in previous PES games. I got to the point where I was able to head the ball away pretty much all the time. In the full game I just cant figure them out, everyone is marked up in the box and I position my free defender where I think the danger will be, the kick gets taken and it auto switches players to the guy at the near post, the ball flys over his head and I desperately try switching to the original CB I had who is in a good position to head it away, he stands under it and does nothing despite me pressing the button and someone runs up and puts the ball in the goal.
There are times when a man I am not controlling will head it away for me, which I dont really like but the guy I have selected will never even attempt to jump for the ball.
I do not have any problems winning headers in open play or from me taking set pieces just when I am defending a corner, I am completely lost

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Does anyone else have problems with corners? And by problems I mean conceding from them every time. Yesterday I played 3 MLO games and let in about 8 goals and only 1 was not from a corner. My players will not jump to head the ball away, they are rooted every time.
At first I had problems in the demo with corners, I thought they were horrible and broken but after a while I adjusted and thought they were good and much harder to defend than in previous PES games. I got to the point where I was able to head the ball away pretty much all the time. In the full game I just cant figure them out, everyone is marked up in the box and I position my free defender where I think the danger will be, the kick gets taken and it auto switches players to the guy at the near post, the ball flys over his head and I desperately try switching to the original CB I had who is in a good position to head it away, he stands under it and does nothing despite me pressing the button and someone runs up and puts the ball in the goal.
There are times when a man I am not controlling will head it away for me, which I dont really like but the guy I have selected will never even attempt to jump for the ball.
I do not have any problems winning headers in open play or from me taking set pieces just when I am defending a corner, I am completely lost

It sounds like mere coincidence you conceded that many in one night. I have only conceded one goal so far from a corner in all my MLO matches. I had a similiar scenario one night with the triple tap cross. I conceded 4 goals in 3 games from this drilled cross from the flank. I figured it was a bit glitchy, but after keeping an eye out for this tactic, I think I have only conceded one goal like that since.

 

[Rob92]

I have a problem with defending crosses and corners, not in that I actually concede a lot from them (I use super cancel), but that the goals I concede from them are extremely cheap.

Using the "clearance", (square on PS3, X on 360), your defender seems to not attack the ball and win as many headers as they do if the short pass button (X/A) is used, but if the ball comes in low and by force of habit I press A, I can end up just first time volleying a lame "pass" straight to an opponent, who then scores...

And from corners, for my opponent, the ball always seems to drop to the player just outside the box for a shot, is there any way to get more distance on the header?

What button do you guys use to defend crosses/corners?

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

I have a problem with defending crosses and corners, not in that I actually concede a lot from them (I use super cancel), but that the goals I concede from them are extremely cheap.

Using the "clearance", (square on PS3, X on 360), your defender seems to not attack the ball and win as many headers as they do if the short pass button (X/A) is used, but if the ball comes in low and by force of habit I press A, I can end up just first time volleying a lame "pass" straight to an opponent, who then scores...

And from corners, for my opponent, the ball always seems to drop to the player just outside the box for a shot, is there any way to get more distance on the header?

What button do you guys use to defend crosses/corners?

I use Square, Shoot/ Clearance. Hold it down, and the player's stats should reflect the amount of mustard they get on the clearance.

Edit - Have you started on offline ML with Coventry yet Rob ? I'm set one up with Boro last night in the 2nd division but as of yet, havent played my first game, but noticed I had nearly £60 million in the bank after Sponsorship.

That seems like an awful lot compared to last year, even before I allocate Staff Wages.

 

[Ern Dog]

You use the shoot button to head it away???? I have been using the long pass button, I was thinking last night that its like I am pressing the wrong button
For some reason at some point I must have switched the button I use to head it away and thats why the player does not make any attempt to clear it. I guess its because I use the long pass button to make a headed pass and that just stuck in my mind that thats the header button and made its way into corners

 

[Ern Dog]

I use Square, Shoot/ Clearance. Hold it down, and the player's stats should reflect the amount of mustard they get on the clearance.

Edit - Have you started on offline ML with Coventry yet Rob ? I'm set one up with Boro last night in the 2nd division but as of yet, havent played my first game, but noticed I had nearly £60 million in the bank after Sponsorship.

That seems like an awful lot compared to last year, even before I allocate Staff Wages.

I have started 2 ML's and in the first I had 60 odd million like you and in the second I had 27 million. It has something to do with the editing, I read somewhere that you can start off with a pittance but I dont remember how.

 

[Ern Dog]

Found it.

heads up guys. Problem with edited Div 2 or PES league teams (so this includes championship teams in this thread) when starting a ML, unrealistic funds and reputation £30mill+ to spend. Think konami thought that anyone editing div 2 or pes teams would only replace with big teams hence the huge budget. Heres a workaround (copied from my post on pesfan)

"Easy-ish workaround for those who want to start with ML defaults OR real players with low budget but with a konami team replaced with an edited team in Div 2 league slot (I did it with a WENB +Championship file)

1.Copy your edit data to a new user on your ps3 or to a usb.
2. Default everything in the team screen (not the players) kit & chest logo, name, badge. (guess you'd have to default all the players as well if you want to start with normal line up * *Now checked it works with real line-ups as well ~ £4mill starting rather than 3 with Nottingham Forest). Save edit data
3. Load up a new ML with defaulted team name, kit and badge in div 2
4. Should have £3mill (~4 with real line up championship team)
5. Save ML
6. Replace edit data with your saved original edit data.
7. Magnifique!

This seems to treat the edited over konami teams similar to those original teams. The little adjustment for a bigger wage budget (difference between default and Not Forest squad) is what it should have been in the first place"

For example before and after I did this

Nots Forest
fan club membership ~70,000!
after ~6,700

funds in div 2
before ~ £30mill
after ~ £3mill with defaults, £4 with real line up
club ranking beforehand didn't check, probs high
after pos.171

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

You use the shoot button to head it away???? I have been using the long pass button, I was thinking last night that its like I am pressing the wrong button
For some reason at some point I must have switched the button I use to head it away and thats why the player does not make any attempt to clear it. I guess its because I use the long pass button to make a headed pass and that just stuck in my mind that thats the header button and made its way into corners

I think it's natural Tom, that's exactly what I used prior to realising that Square is Clearance.

Thanks for the heads up with the ML, sounds like a ball-ache to do, but I guess I have no choice. Actually, just had a better idea. I'll just bid £56 million pounds for a player thats worth £2 million. Then that's all my cash gone, in typical Boro fashion as well. I'll make Chievo very rich indeed.

The good news is Mogga is back on Teesside, Waheey !!

 

[Professor Nutmeg]

I have a problem with defending crosses and corners, not in that I actually concede a lot from them (I use super cancel), but that the goals I concede from them are extremely cheap.

Using the "clearance", (square on PS3, X on 360), your defender seems to not attack the ball and win as many headers as they do if the short pass button (X/A) is used, but if the ball comes in low and by force of habit I press A, I can end up just first time volleying a lame "pass" straight to an opponent, who then scores...

And from corners, for my opponent, the ball always seems to drop to the player just outside the box for a shot, is there any way to get more distance on the header?

What button do you guys use to defend crosses/corners?

I tend to go for the header button (which is shoot, i guess) and try and position my defender to get to it first. I do manage to clear, but not always as far as i'd like (often just outside the box). But if you ask me, defending it a bit cack in this PES. I enjoy the skill of defending when tactically able/allowed to do so. I feel a bit useless though as i watch my players often do not enough, or sometimes nothing at all.

 

[Rob92]

I use Square, Shoot/ Clearance. Hold it down, and the player's stats should reflect the amount of mustard they get on the clearance.

Edit - Have you started on offline ML with Coventry yet Rob ? I'm set one up with Boro last night in the 2nd division but as of yet, havent played my first game, but noticed I had nearly £60 million in the bank after Sponsorship.

That seems like an awful lot compared to last year, even before I allocate Staff Wages.

I'll have to try that, thanks for the tip, might see if there's a way to play as the defence in training mode as I don't really want to be trying something new in MLO matches .

I've not started an offline ML yet, I'm on 360 and I don't know of any OF yet that has the Championship on it.

Been playing the Copa Libertadores with Corinthians though offline, and it's great fun. Maybe a little easy so far as Corinthians are probably the strongest side in the competition, and a lot of the other sides are very weak.
Ronaldo on a red arrow is a joy to play as - I scored 4 great finishes in one match with him in a 6-1 win against Colo Colo. Goal machine!
It goes without saying that Roberto Carlos has insanely powerful shots, not scored a screamer yet, but almost broke the bar with one hit .
Iarley is also class, had him on FM 2010 as well .

 

[Northzzz]

Really isn't fun when i score (and concede) from through balls anymore

8 or 9/10 goals feel that way now. It feels more like the type of boring FIFA goals (the other 1 or 2 goals/10 gives that PRO EVO feel though).

The defensive AI needs to be better at reacting or they need to tone it down in order to balance it. I know the latter is going for more of a quick game fix rather than trying to go for realism but adjusting defensive AI seems more difficult.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Really isn't fun when i score (and concede) from through balls anymore

8 or 9/10 goals feel that way now. It feels more like the type of boring FIFA goals (the other 1 or 2 goals/10 gives that PRO EVO feel though).

The defensive AI needs to be better at reacting or they need to tone it down in order to balance it. I know the latter is going for more of a quick game fix rather than trying to go for realism but adjusting defensive AI seems more difficult.

Sounds to me you need to do what I had to, and learn how to defend them. The through-ball is the most beautiful pass in football, in my opinion.

 

[uksix]

Its only just occured after all these years (since PES6) to me that why did Konami choose that to do a controlled shot, you have to press R2/Right Trigger whilst the power bar is on the screen, It would be better if you hold the R2/Right Trigger down, like you do when you want to a chip shot, early cross or evan a lofted ball (cross) ect. The many of times I could of scored was because I kept holding down R2/Right Trigger first, and I still screw it up pressing it when the power bar is on screen.

 

[Ern Dog]

Sounds to me you need to do what I had to, and learn how to defend them.

Yup I agree. I was frustrated too Northzzz but I spent quite a few games in MLO where I just gave the ball away and let them attack me and practiced defending. You need to be quick with the player switch when you think a pass will be made or has been and then track the runner with your defender and put in a tackle. The process still isnt fully ingrained for me yet but when I do remember to do it it is very effective, through balls are very defendable mate it just takes a bit of practice.


Also I just realised that all the tricks available in the link menu are possible to pull off manually. This is probably common knowledge but I was surprised to see it when I went into the command list.
I never used any tricks before because I didnt like the link system but manually they are great.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Really isn't fun when i score (and concede) from through balls anymore

8 or 9/10 goals feel that way now. It feels more like the type of boring FIFA goals (the other 1 or 2 goals/10 gives that PRO EVO feel though).

The defensive AI needs to be better at reacting or they need to tone it down in order to balance it. I know the latter is going for more of a quick game fix rather than trying to go for realism but adjusting defensive AI seems more difficult.

Yeah, I think it's because how automated they are. Scored a beauty in my last game that if it'd happened IRL it would've been a jaw-dropper, but in the game it felt surprisingly unsatisfying.

For me, I think using all manual controls in FIFA has ruined me in the sense that it's difficult to take satisfaction from goals or nice runs of play that result from heavily assisted controls.

But there's also that, like you said, the defensive AI at times seem to have no problems watching a through pass go right by them, ignoring opportunities for sometimes an easy intercept. I don't want to call it a cheap exploit but it can feel that way at times.

 

[Radiation]

Update on GTM's OF

ignore the what it says on the first page, ive completely udated that list and will post up the new details in a sec. this is a FULL FILE not a base. the file will be up id say in the next 30 mins give or take depending on how long it takes to upload. just putting the stadiums i just did onto my mem stick its taking ages.

 

[tc811]

Can't you just tap square when you're about to clear the ball away from a corner? It's what I've been doing for the past few years.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Can't you just tap square when you're about to clear the ball away from a corner? It's what I've been doing for the past few years.

Yes. It may well be all in my mind, but I feel on PES 2011, due to the power bar, holding down Square clears if further. I may be wrong though.

 

[Ern Dog]

Yeah, I think it's because how automated they are. Scored a beauty in my last game that if it'd happened IRL it would've been a jaw-dropper, but in the game it felt surprisingly unsatisfying.

For me, I think using all manual controls in FIFA has ruined me in the sense that it's difficult to take satisfaction from goals or nice runs of play that result from heavily assisted controls.

I dont think you can call the controls heavily assisted, its not like you can just tap the button and press in a rough direction and you will get a pin point pass. Also are you using the through pass button for through balls? If so why not try using manual passes, I have not touched the button yet so I dont know what you mean when it comes to these automated through balls. If you dont like the cpu assistance on passes just hold L2, there is still some degree of assistance but that is to replicate your players stats.

I really do not see the appeal of totally manual passing like in FIFA. When I first played FIFA10 I thought it was amazing but after I had got used to it and 90+% of passes were going where I wanted the novelty soon wore off, seeing every player on the pitch be able to play the most accurate passes regardless of difficulty was a bit crap IMO. PES has got the balance right with a manual modifier but still having the stats involved with the pass.

I would still like the passing to be harder though. I have played people online that make quick accurate passes that really should not be possible with the body position and skill of their player. A little less assistance and more realism would be nice but I guess that might frustrate some.

Also if you are finding things a bit easy have you tried playing with the lesser teams? I have been playing alot of matches with Calcio Catania from Serie A and there is a nice degree of error with these players. I also have to take note of what player I have and pick my options accordingly. I have a guy playing right wing who has pretty bad passing stats, there is no point in trying to cross with him and unless I want to give the ball away short passes must be kept simple. He does however have stats slightly above 80 for technique and dribbling, this forces me to always try and run my way infield or into the box to make a pass. Having to play to your players strengths really takes the game to a whole new level both tactically and enjoyment wise over playing with teams where your players are all rounders.

 

[Rob92]

How the fuck can you defend the through ball to the wing from kick off?...

Pissing me off, conceded 4 goals now in 2 games from this shit, it's not even like I am controlling the player(s) marking their wingers, and they just fuck off and ignore their run...

Low crosses are also very overpowered as defenders suck at marking...

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

i play with a sweeper
and on one side sb with man mark card, to mark messi/ronaldo..

the cb beside the sweeper with man mark card to mark the CF in 4-3-3 systems

and the sweeper is better vs through balls as u wud have 2 CBs

edit:
they deleted the sweeper slider but added sweeper function to more CBs and some get so much better overall rating as a sweeper

 

[dannyfc2]

Anyone experiencing massively less lag today? Either they've upped their servers or my Universities internet has been bumped up, but I've had eerily smooth gameplay onlne, didn't want to come off as I'm assuming it'll be a jerky mess when I next go on.


Playing really nice football lately, think it's more to do with coming against D5 players or hopeless 4-2-4 players though. Occasionally come up against some competitive people but generally most are clueless unfortunately.

Wish they'd give the competitions a bit more depth or at least expand to 10 minute matches. Now I've got a decent team I don't know really what I'm playing for in Quick Matches.

 

[mfmaxpower]

I dont think you can call the controls heavily assisted, its not like you can just tap the button and press in a rough direction and you will get a pin point pass. Also are you using the through pass button for through balls? If so why not try using manual passes, I have not touched the button yet so I dont know what you mean when it comes to these automated through balls. If you dont like the cpu assistance on passes just hold L2, there is still some degree of assistance but that is to replicate your players stats.

Actually that is pretty much what you can do with the triangle through pass, though it takes more than a tap. Regular passing is certainly not "heavily" assisted, but the through ball button can be too easy at times. I've scored a few goals off through passes that I'd actually intended to go to a different player! I'll give the manual pass more a try but I'm not familiar enough with the control scheme to seamlessly use the manual pass modifier without having too think about it yet.

I really do not see the appeal of totally manual passing like in FIFA. When I first played FIFA10 I thought it was amazing but after I had got used to it and 90+% of passes were going where I wanted the novelty soon wore off, seeing every player on the pitch be able to play the most accurate passes regardless of difficulty was a bit crap IMO. PES has got the balance right with a manual modifier but still having the stats involved with the pass.

Well first of all, it's not "totally" manual - there is still an element of assisted, so in a sense it's a misnomer to call it manual. (In fact, a lot of folks are pissed at how much more assisted manual controls are this year. Lob passes in particular are quite assisted now.) Irregardless, player stats definitely DO have an influence on manual passing in FIFA, just as they do with the manual modifier in PES. Anyone who says they can pass as well with Pique as they can with Xavi with manual passing in FIFA is full of shit. Are stats as influential as they are with PES's manual modifier? Maybe not. But they do have an influence.

You must be one hell of a player if you average 90+% passing with full manual. I've been playing manual since 08 and on Legendary I average around 80-85% with top teams, which is a realistic accuracy range. With lesser teams I'll drop into the 70s sometimes, but still I typically stay in the 80s. Part of the problem though is FIFA specific - in FIFA, passing on semi or assisted controls is so unrealistic that it's near impossible to not finish games with accuracy lower than the 90s, so switching to manual is a means to add some realism into the game. To be honest, with the introduction of Pro Passing, passing in FIFA is all sorts of messed up at the moment.

But when you ask about what the appeal is, well that's simple: I want the ball to go where I want it to go; and when the ball does go somewhere, whether it be the top corner of the net or to the feet of my winger, I want it to be because I made it happen - or at least I want to "feel" like it had been up to me. The reason I switched from assisted, and semi afterwards, is because I got sick of seeing a pass go to a different player than intended. This is the feeling I still get with the through passing in PES. It can be beautiful to watch but somewhat unsatisfying knowing how much assistance I had from the CPU.

For people who never fell in love with manual controls in FIFA, I fully understand how this would be a non-issue, so I'm not saying this is as a criticism of the game, like say the more general complaints regarding player switching are. Rather I have come to have a certain preference and would love to see in the future a more manual option in PES. So I understood what Northzz was sayin.

Also if you are finding things a bit easy have you tried playing with the lesser teams? I have been playing alot of matches with Calcio Catania from Serie A and there is a nice degree of error with these players. I also have to take note of what player I have and pick my options accordingly. I have a guy playing right wing who has pretty bad passing stats, there is no point in trying to cross with him and unless I want to give the ball away short passes must be kept simple. He does however have stats slightly above 80 for technique and dribbling, this forces me to always try and run my way infield or into the box to make a pass. Having to play to your players strengths really takes the game to a whole new level both tactically and enjoyment wise over playing with teams where your players are all rounders.

Oh no, you mistook my opinion of the through pass for a general opinion - no, I'm sucking hardcore at this game at the moment. In no way am I finding it too easy. Quite the opposite really. I just understood what Northzz was saying about his experiences using through balls, that's all.

 

[ImpossibleYesbutitsTrue]

This is the feeling I still get with the through passing in PES. It can be beautiful to watch but somewhat unsatisfying knowing how much assistance I had from the CPU.

use L2

there is no assistance beside stats with that
u can under/overhit and make wrong direction

i dont make usual through pass coz its still like 010, often totaly wrong player/direction