PES 2011 Discussion thread

Having played the full game for a second (and very long) consecutive night, i still find it very good.

I have one main issue: the illogical player switching. An example. In my Coppa Libertadores campaign with Newell's Old Boys i play the off side trap. Not that i'm such an adept of the off-side trap, but a very interesting side effect is the fact that your defenders rush forward and that is very convenient if you wanne counter. Yesterday my opponents there was a loose ball when my defenders rushed forward. One of them was really rushing forward towards the ball and it seemed an ideal opportunity to change player...the computer picked another player that was further from the ball (and also illogically far from the player i had in control just before the switch). The result was a counter attack from my opponents and very nearly a goal. Is it the game or am i doing something wrong.

Besides that, every match is a chess game where you slowly search a gap in the defense of your opponent team. Great to play.

Of course there is the usual sloppyness of Konami which gives a very unprofessional image.
Two examples:

The squads of the national teams: the people at Konami never saw the world cup judged by the players in the German national squad. Wiese in goal, no Muller, no Khedira, no Boateng...In the Belgium national squad there is a player i've never heard of. He is maybe a professional football player, but he defintely never was called up for our national team. On the other hand players like Vertonghen, Lukaku and Alderweireld are not even in the sqaud.

And why the hell Villa was in Barcelona's sqaud in the demo and in the Valencia squad in the full game? That is typical Konami.

Brilliant game, but some very sloppy aspects.

The squad issue will be sorted with a patch/option file, as always, but yeah it is a bit odd when they clearly had the opportunity and time to sort things like this to create a "finished product".
 
Is there no way of inviting people from your friends list?
Well, in this " fast, friendly mode " You have only two options !
"A" - The Next Match "X" or "Y" - Cancel ! I don't see other options :/ sorry . Maybe you must told on your friends with skype or MSG to press " Friendly " together , in same time !
 
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The squad issue will be sorted with a patch/option file, as always, but yeah it is a bit odd when they clearly had the opportunity and time to sort things like this to create a "finished product".

Konami did 4 (or 5?) patches to 2010 (have not checked if they have done one more lately).

So PES 2011 will perhaps be awesome by say, 1.02 or 1.03 :THINK:

Having not owned a FIFA in a while I don't know if EA patch FIFA? I'd say because of the way EA runs a studio (and I knew someone that used to work for an EA studio) they would have crunched the F'K out of the staff to get it as finished as possible.

Maybe Konami take it a bit easier, be a bit lazy, knowing they'll patch it later. Either that or their Quality Assurance & Testing department is also lazy.
 
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10-0? that's nothing.

I was up 17-0 vs someone on FIFA 09 before they finally backed out in the 84th minute, I was going to score more aswell!

FC Kirkcaldy was the name of my Ultimate Team (my hometown), my team wasn't even overpowered either, all scottish players rofl.

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my GT is now SIMPLE o 91 btw :))


lol at FC KIRKCALDY. My ultimate team back in the day was Cowdenbeath. nice to see someone near by on these forums.
 
Can someone explain form arrows to me? Three games in and I have players that have not shifted from a downward arrow. (Used to be Grey in old PES, dno about this one).

The gameplay is fantastic but it's fustrating as I'm having to leave out really good players, even if they'd scored or played well in the match before, just because they're now on down arrows. And why do the opposition mostly have red arrows in the preview? I understand the AI needs a bit of a boost but ffs, that's not even subtle.

Other than that absolutely loving the gameplay, seems better than the demo. Been fouled plenty of times so don't understand the criticism of that.
 
Can someone explain form arrows to me? Three games in and I have players that have not shifted from a downward arrow. (Used to be Grey in old PES, dno about this one).

The gameplay is fantastic but it's fustrating as I'm having to leave out really good players, even if they'd scored or played well in the match before, just because they're now on down arrows.
Do you check their previous match ratings? Perhaps it goes in-line with that. Probably still a bug, wherever the problem is but I've often known PES games to have weird player ratings, for example denying a goalscorer an 8 as he gave away 3 fouls. I've checked the screen before to find bad scores for good performances, maybe the form arrows comes from there.

It needs sorting out though, I've noticed it on my PC copy in CL mode.
 
Gerd, i guess Konami left those players out of the national teams, because they are at clubs in the game and therefore won't make 'doubles'. Muller (Bayern), Khedira (Real Madrid), Boateng (Man City).

I prefer the minimal hassle of assigning them to the national teams, rather than having evil 'doubles' to contend with.

But yeah, the Villa thing sounds stupid. Konami all over it.
 
I need some controller help.

Got the game and want to get into it properly tongiht with the WENB option file.

I'm back to PES after a few years away, and despite being ok at the demo, I still haven't the skills like previously.

Anyway I remember back in the day various controller options, crossing options 1-5, double tap for lob etc. I dont believe that is still here is it?

Also under cursor what does unassisted,semi-assisted and assisted mean on the controller screen?
 
I need some controller help.

Got the game and want to get into it properly tongiht with the WENB option file.

I'm back to PES after a few years away, and despite being ok at the demo, I still haven't the skills like previously.

Anyway I remember back in the day various controller options, crossing options 1-5, double tap for lob etc. I dont believe that is still here is it?

Also under cursor what does unassisted,semi-assisted and assisted mean on the controller screen?

Those types of crossing are long gone Dave. There are plenty of other options though. Tap Circle once for normal cross, twice for a cross mid height, three times for a drilled low cross. Hold R2 and Circle for a lofted cross or L2 and Circle for a manual cross. L1 and Circle for an early cross.

The assisted and semi-assisted etc will be your Player Switch modifiers. I prefer semi- auto personally.
 
Those types of crossing are long gone Dave. There are plenty of other options though. Tap Circle once for normal cross, twice for a cross mid height, three times for a drilled low cross. Hold R2 and Circle for a lofted cross or L2 and Circle for a manual cross. L1 and Circle for an early cross.

The assisted and semi-assisted etc will be your Player Switch modifiers. I prefer semi- auto personally.

Thanks Jimmy. With the R2, L2 and L1 crosses can they also be double and triple tapped for height?

I like the idea if someone is free back stick to loft a cross (floated cross I take it) volley height and get some first time crackers.
 
Do you check their previous match ratings? Perhaps it goes in-line with that. Probably still a bug, wherever the problem is but I've often known PES games to have weird player ratings, for example denying a goalscorer an 8 as he gave away 3 fouls. I've checked the screen before to find bad scores for good performances, maybe the form arrows comes from there.

It needs sorting out though, I've noticed it on my PC copy in CL mode.

Someone mentioned it being largely affected by playing at home and away, and I can definitely see that being the case now after a few more plays.

Think I'll get stuck into ML once an Xbox option files out, have to say the game feels a little easy on Professional, I'll give Top Player a go for ML. Hopefully online is decent as I can see the CPU being no challenge at all in a month or so.
 
Gerd, i guess Konami left those players out of the national teams, because they are at clubs in the game and therefore won't make 'doubles'. Muller (Bayern), Khedira (Real Madrid), Boateng (Man City).

I prefer the minimal hassle of assigning them to the national teams, rather than having evil 'doubles' to contend with.

But yeah, the Villa thing sounds stupid. Konami all over it.

I'm not sure, but i think Khedira is not in the Real Madrid squad Prof. Yesterday i transferred both Özil and Carvalho to Real Madrid. So i pretty sure Khedira isn't there and since VFB is not in the game.

The unknown player in the Belgian squad is even more mysterious...

Don't want to sound this as a rant, yes this will surely rectified by dlc...but it is very sloppy. There is already an awfull lot to edit...
In this aspect i was spoiled by EA in FIFA...surely what EA can manage, Konami can also do that...

Well, it's not that important since the gameplay is extraordinary good IMO. But this is a big mistake by Konami.
I explain myself.

What is the unique selling point of PES? IMO and in the opinion of lots of other PES fans, it is the fact that each player feels different. In FIFA were individuality is less important, gameplaywise it isn't a big issue if a player like Khedira is in the game or not.
In PES this makes a huge difference since Khedira is (or should be) a unique player...
 
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Yes, i noticed this on the demo. I like to the odd step over, every now and then, so i did use it. I think the cross feint is different too now? (on xbox) I tried the classic way of doing it and there wasn't really a feint animation. I wonder if it's now a feint you have to perform in a different way?

it's not like it used to be in the older versions..
they changed it in PES 2010, cuz it was too automated (arcady) and good i guess.
u can make you're own feint by going in a direction tho.. depending on the skills/stats of the player it looks somewhat more like the usual shotfeint
now it's more like a shot/crosscancel and u can do some body feints to get the 'shotfeint' sort of

hope u get it?
 
Konami did 4 (or 5?) patches to 2010 (have not checked if they have done one more lately).

So PES 2011 will perhaps be awesome by say, 1.02 or 1.03 :THINK:

Having not owned a FIFA in a while I don't know if EA patch FIFA? I'd say because of the way EA runs a studio (and I knew someone that used to work for an EA studio) they would have crunched the F'K out of the staff to get it as finished as possible.

Maybe Konami take it a bit easier, be a bit lazy, knowing they'll patch it later. Either that or their Quality Assurance & Testing department is also lazy.

Well, I think it is a well known fact that the team that makes PES is much smaller (and less Canadian) than the one that makes FIFA. So, expecting equal quality from both products is possibly unreasonable.

Of course, I'm sure we all question why the PES team can't be expanded. Konami must certainly make enough money to pay many more people.
 
Not sure Dave, just got the game will check. Also we have unlimited playlists by the look of it which means pretty much unlimited chants. Awesome. Never expected this. About to play my first game. :)
 
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Unlimited playlists? Are you sure?

I saw 0/64 in the top right, does that mean you can only have 64 songs in that one playlist or 64 altogether then?
 
Imported my pes 2010 data... now I have the soundtrack I used for pes 2010 playing during a match. so Greenday kicks in right at the start of a match and will play on and on until i take a shot and then Megadeath kicks in... then back to Greenday after a while.


These OF's can't come quick enough... just a real shame that the pesgaming one won't be complete for a while.
 
Played a few games, much to my surprise it's been a largely frustrating experience:

- Database is horrible. I'm not even talking transfers here (although FC Utrecht have a player in their squad who hasn't been there for two years now...). Our reserve keeper is called Wesley de Ruiter, last name de Ruiter, but he's called Ruiter in PES. The Eredivisie stats are quite frankly terrible with Feyenoord having one of the best squads in the league, even better than FC Twente who won the league! Feyenoord are doing dreadful and depend largely on average to poor youth players this season. Of course I can edit them myself but online is going to be impossible for me to use Dutch teams as the stats are so poor and outdated.

- Scoring is feckin impossible?!? I checked the gallery and after four games I have a shot to goal percentage of 5 percent! That's right, I only score with 1 out of 20 attempts. Not just long shots but all my one on one's are saved by the keeper including some easy rebounds which hit him straight in the face. The AI are a lot more clinical than me, that's for sure. One game Holland v Sweden I lost 1-0 with them having two shots on target and me 17...

- Can't change the camera angle the way I want to, so I'll have to get used to that stupid angle by the looks of it. At least on PS3 version which I'm playing.

- On that same PS3 version the graphics are still low-res and jaggy. Not a biggy for me but thought it'd be worth noting for those who are still in doubt over what platform to get PES on. If you have a choice and find graphics to be important I'd choose Xbox over PS3. PC version is a different story altogether with mods and all that stuff.

Has to be noted though I'm really enjoying this game, much, much more than I've ever enjoyed FIFA 11 in the past week. It all feels more balanced and finetuned compared to the demo and I'll be playing this for months to come for sure. I remember a short spell in which I absolutely hated the demo, but after persisting with it I went back to loving it again. It's just slightly weird I had no problems with scoring on the demo but can't hit a barndoor from five yards on the full version...
 
Played a few games, much to my surprise it's been a largely frustrating experience:

- Database is horrible. I'm not even talking transfers here (although FC Utrecht have a player in their squad who hasn't been there for two years now...). Our reserve keeper is called Wesley de Ruiter, last name de Ruiter, but he's called Ruiter in PES. The Eredivisie stats are quite frankly terrible with Feyenoord having one of the best squads in the league, even better than FC Twente who won the league! Feyenoord are doing dreadful and depend largely on average to poor youth players this season. Of course I can edit them myself but online is going to be impossible for me to use Dutch teams as the stats are so poor and outdated.

- Scoring is feckin impossible?!? I checked the gallery and after four games I have a shot to goal percentage of 5 percent! That's right, I only score with 1 out of 20 attempts. Not just long shots but all my one on one's are saved by the keeper including some easy rebounds which hit him straight in the face. The AI are a lot more clinical than me, that's for sure. One game Holland v Sweden I lost 1-0 with them having two shots on target and me 17...

- Can't change the camera angle the way I want to, so I'll have to get used to that stupid angle by the looks of it. At least on PS3 version which I'm playing.

- On that same PS3 version the graphics are still low-res and jaggy. Not a biggy for me but thought it'd be worth noting for those who are still in doubt over what platform to get PES on. If you have a choice and find graphics to be important I'd choose Xbox over PS3. PC version is a different story altogether with mods and all that stuff.

Has to be noted though I'm really enjoying this game, much, much more than I've ever enjoyed FIFA 11 in the past week. It all feels more balanced and finetuned compared to the demo and I'll be playing this for months to come for sure. I remember a short spell in which I absolutely hated the demo, but after persisting with it I went back to loving it again. It's just slightly weird I had no problems with scoring on the demo but can't hit a barndoor from five yards on the full version...

What difficulty level are you on? I'm on Pro at the moment and it's not difficult to score at all, might have to move up a level.

Regarding one-on-one's, I reckon it's nearly impossible unless you hold R2. Much more success using that technique.
 
back from galway and still no sign of my shopto order,my local shop are selling the game from 6pm tonight so im temped to buy it and sent back my order when it finally arrives
 
Just been messing in the editor before tonight's OF is released

How/Why does Paul Scholes not have the long range shooting card??
 
It´s possible to simulate games in the League/Cup Mode, because I don´t want to play all matches. And when Yes, how can I do that, didn´t find any function.

Thanks
 
Well, in this " fast, friendly mode " You have only two options !
"A" - The Next Match "X" or "Y" - Cancel ! I don't see other options :/ sorry . Maybe you must told on your friends with skype or MSG to press " Friendly " together , in same time !

i seriously hope your joking me otherwise 4v4 is pointless
 
Can't you do that 'create private game with password' and then just all jump into that game? Then at the end return to the server list thing and repeat?

Locked, you can only add or remove them in edit mode. Not sure why they've gone this route to be honest :CONF:

Ah snap that's annoying. I loved being able to turn the attacking card on and off to start or stop my players from getting forwards on the wings. It was perfect for Gerrard so you could set it to off and have him play defensive or on and have him push up.
 
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