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PES 2009 General Discussion Etc. (STRICTLY NO FIFA TALK OR POLITICAL CHAT)

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IGN gives the OTHER game (360/ps3) 89%

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It's also debatable whether the dedication to realism actually equals more fun. Although there are many settings that can alter the game speed and how much the computer aids the players, the game constantly demands a more studied approach to play; an approach that puts it at odds with PES's feisty zip. Indeed, there's such a demarcation between the two now that the age-old argument over which is better seems moot -- it's now a question of choosing which package suits your requirements better.

And of course what goes in FIFA's favour is the sheer amount of content that's included.
 
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Lo que antes eran unos movimientos fluidos y suaves, en esta generación se han quedado estancados y denotan una falta de optimización clara. Además, el movimiento digital en ocho direcciones limita los movimientos y la libertad de juego. Lo que es extraño es que en su versión PS2 las animaciones de los jugadores sean más fluídas y se muestren más ágiles en sus giros, cambios de ritmo, carreras, etc, que en estas versiones para las máquinas más potentes.

What before were fluid and smooth moves, are now outdated and show lack of optimization. The 8 directional control also limits player movement and game play freedom. It's also strange the fact that it is the PS2 version the one showing the more fluid player animations, with better turns, changes of pace, runs, etc..
 
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It's also strange the fact that it is the PS2 version the one showing the more fluid player animations, with better turns, changes of pace, runs, etc..
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Anyone knows if ps2 version has the auto shot feint when you turn of 90 degree?
I will play ps2 version if i can turn without feinting a shoot all the times.
 
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Very interesting review of the beta. It is good to hear some honest criticism where it is warranted. Thanks very much for the translations.
 
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Los tiros y centros mantienen el nivel clásico de la serie, así como los cabezazos (en este punto, por encima de FIFA en la física de balón). La fluidez de juego se ha perdido en grandes proporciones debido al estancamiento en las animaciones, así como en la lentitud de jugadores en girar, empezar a correr, hacer quiebros, etc. Los jugadores de la CPU son más rápidos, y en ocasiones hasta parecen “perfectos”, ya que hemos sido testigos de cambios de banda de 40 metros, con el jugador de espaldas y girando en carrera, y consiguen enviar el balón al pie de su compañero.

Shots and high crosses are still "class", as well as headers (in this point, PES better than FIFA in ball physics). The game play has lost lots of fluidity due to the static animations and player's slow turns, slow take off and awkward stops. CPU players are faster and, at times, "perfect". We've seen 40m switches when, despite being facing the opposite direction and turning without stoping, the player sends the ball to his team mate's foot.

En cuanto a nuestros compañeros, mantienen defectos de la saga en esta generación clarísimos y que, año tras año, siguen sin arreglarse. Las bandas mantienen su rango de “autopista”, ya que los laterales tienden a venirse al centro de forma descarada, además de dejar huecos por el centro que son uno de los defectos más graves que recordamos en cuanto a orden defensivo. Los saques del portero, o de falta, siguen siendo para donde la CPU quiera aunque apuntemos hacia un lugar concreto en ocasiones, y los saques de banda no nos dejan presionar al jugador que recibe. Está claro que hay cosas que no cambian nunca, y esto sólo puede derivar en opciones anticuadas, sensaciones encontradas con años pretéritos.

In terms of our CPU team mates, same flaws this year. The sides are still "roads", with the side backs launching themselves in blind attacks leaving holes in the middle field, something we've mentioned before. Sometimes, goal kicks and short free kicks go wherever the CPU dictates regardless of our intention. We still can't apply pressure on the player who is about to receive a throw in. Clearly, there are things that never change, just the same old stuff again.

Lamentamos mucho tener que ser tan duros con unas impresiones, pero es que el bajón de nivel ha sido tan brutal estos años que se han visto refrendados con una beta como esta, que deja unas sensaciones muy negativas en muchos apartados. Entre lo positivo podríamos nombrar la licencia de la UEFA Champions League por parte de Konami, con lo que equipos como el Liverpool, Bayern, Milan, Roma, etc, se presentarán con todos los honores, así como poder jugar una Champions como modo de juego nuevo.

We are really sorry about being this harsh, but PES level has dropped to such a point that this beta actually makes them look good, despite its flaws.
Amongst the positives, we could mention the UEFA CL licence, which will bring fully licenced teams like Liverpool, Bayern, Milan, Roma, etc., as well as the posibility to play a Champions League as a new game mode.

Como decíamos antes, gráficamente se ha mejorado el engine en detalles. Por ejemplo, los jugadores poseen más detalle, y unas texturas más trabajadas, así como unos sombreados más realistas. Hay jugadores con una representación facial casi fotográfica con respecto a sus homónimos reales, aunque la mayoría no poseen un parecido físico más allá del peinado (esto es lógico, debido a la cantidad exagerada de jugadores que hay en el juego y el tiempo que haría falta para configurarlos a todos). El editor incluído en el juego nos permitirá modificar todo lo que queramos, aparte de crear nuestro jugador, club, camiseta e incluso escudo.

As we were saying, graphically there have been improvements. For example, players have more detail, with more elaborated textures, as well as better shading. Although the majority of the players are only "close" to their respective real counterparts (which is understandable), there are some that are mirrored representations of their real selves. Edit mode will let us modify all we want, and also to create our player, club, jersey and even emblem. (I'm not sure about this one. I find it hard to believe you can modify "all" players)
 
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Guys, I'm shocking "editing" stuff. Feel free to copy and paste altogether in a new post.
Not long to go :))
 
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That comment about the PS2 version having better animations is so bad I want to cry
 
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Lo malo es que tanto césped, iluminación, poligonización de estadio o público siguen teniendo un acabado bastante mejorable. El césped se muestra como una simple textura en juego, unicamente ofrece su mejor versión en las cinemáticas, con rutinas gráficas que añaden volumen. Los estadios (19 disponibles, 10 de ellos con licencia oficial como el Santiago Bernabéu, Camp Nou, Estadio do Dragao, San Siro o Wembley) tampoco poseen una mejora visible con respecto al año pasado, y el público siguen siendo sprites con animación para darle algo de vida al campo, pero cuando se enfoca a ras de suelo se puede ver lo básico de su acabado.

The bad thing is that there is still room for improvement is areas such as grass, lightning, stadium and fans modeling. In game play, the grass looks single textured, only offering its good version during cinematics, where it looks 3D. The stadiums (19 available, 10 of them oficially licenced like the Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Estado de Dragao, San Siro o Wembley) don't show visible improvements from last years with just animated GIFs for crowds, only present to animate the stadia and with a very basic finish noticeable in close ups.

En realidad en pocas ocasiones se enfoca al público, pero en los momentos en que se puede ver, como con la cámara del modo “Ser una Leyenda” se aprecia perfectamente que hay mucho trabajo pendiente para optimizar el resultado, y por ende en la ambientación propia de los partidos. En cuanto al apartado sonoro, no vamos a calificarlo hasta poder ver la versión en castellano, pero lo que hemos oído de sonido ambiente la verdad es que el público suena bastante convincente, pero el sonido del golpeo de balón, de los gritos en los futbolistas, o de los choques entre ellos suena totalmente surrealista.

Here, they keep going on about the poor 3D crowd. They don't make comments against sound (commentary) since they weren't given a Spanish version of the game. Respect ambient sounds, they didn't like the sound of the ball, the players shouts nor collisions. Not realistic. They do however think the crowd noise was pretty cool.

Bien es cierto que la sensación después de jugar es bastante pesimista, pero algo conserva el juego de su exquisita jugabilidad pasada. Algún movimiento, alguna animación de una parada, un cabezazo,... alguna jugada que nos muestra con mágico realismo el punto al que había llegado el juego. La lástima es que ese mismo realismo ha ido desapareciendo del juego poco a poco hasta llegar a esta nueva versión, donde los momentos brillantes cada vez son menos numerosos. Está claro que la jugabilidad famosa de la saga se ha anquilosado debido a su poca innovación, y esto se nota en todos los apartados.

Surely the feeling after playing the game is quite pessimistic (no shit), but somehow the game "still has it". One move, one dummy, a header, something occurs, sometimes with that magic realism, that remind us of the level this game achieved in the past. It's real shame the fact that that realism has been going missing with time, until getting to this new version, in which those brilliant moments are less existent. It is clear that PES popular game play has got stuck in time due to it's poor innovation, which is obvious in all areas.

Hopefully these guys are from EA Madrid or something :SS
 
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This guy isn't holding back. Hes obviously frustrated with the game
 
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Having received negative criticism after PES 2008, they now try to "refresh" the series with a slower game, globally speaking. This could mean a return to the origins, with a more technical and controller focused game, while trying to avoid the non stop R1 press. However, the animations are still robotic, rigid and not natural (running animation keeps being very sad).

In order to make the game slower, the have modified the ball dynamics when carried by players, being now to "attached" to the foot and with some abrupt stops on the field that look completely fake. Although the ball physics in the air kept its realism, the lower balls will now look weird. Low passes don't seem to run on the same surface due to a big difference in behaviour between normal and through balls.

What before were fluid and smooth moves, are now outdated and show lack of optimization. The 8 directional control also limits player movement and game play freedom. It's also strange the fact that it is the PS2 version the one showing the more fluid player animations, with better turns, changes of pace, runs, etc..

Shots and high crosses are still "class", as well as headers (in this point, PES better than FIFA in ball physics). The game play has lost lots of fluidity due to the static animations and player's slow turns, slow take off and awkward stops. CPU players are faster and, at times, "perfect". We've seen 40m switches when, despite being facing the opposite direction and turning without stoping, the player sends the ball to his team mate's foot.

In terms of our CPU team mates, same flaws this year. The sides are still "roads", with the side backs launching themselves in blind attacks leaving holes in the middle field, something we've mentioned before. Sometimes, goal kicks and short free kicks go wherever the CPU dictates regardless of our intention. We still can't apply pressure on the player who is about to receive a throw in. Clearly, there are things that never change, just the same old stuff again.

We are really sorry about being this harsh, but PES level has dropped to such a point that this beta actually makes them look good, despite its flaws.
Amongst the positives, we could mention the UEFA CL licence, which will bring fully licenced teams like Liverpool, Bayern, Milan, Roma, etc., as well as the posibility to play a Champions League as a new game mode.

As we were saying, graphically there have been improvements. For example, players have more detail, with more elaborated textures, as well as better shading. Although the majority of the players are only "close" to their respective real counterparts (which is understandable), there are some that are mirrored representations of their real selves. Edit mode will let us modify all we want, and also to create our player, club, jersey and even emblem. (I'm not sure about this one. I find it hard to believe you can modify "all" players)

The bad thing is that there is still room for improvement is areas such as grass, lightning, stadium and fans modeling. In game play, the grass looks single textured, only offering its good version during cinematics, where it looks 3D. The stadiums (19 available, 10 of them oficially licenced like the Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Estado de Dragao, San Siro o Wembley) don't show visible improvements from last years with just animated GIFs for crowds, only present to animate the stadia and with a very basic finish noticeable in close ups.

Here, they keep going on about the poor 3D crowd. They don't make comments against sound (commentary) since they weren't given a Spanish version of the game. Respect ambient sounds, they didn't like the sound of the ball, the players shouts nor collisions. Not realistic. They do however think the crowd noise was pretty cool.

Surely the feeling after playing the game is quite pessimistic (no shit), but somehow the game "still has it". One move, one dummy, a header, something occurs, sometimes with that magic realism, that remind us of the level this game achieved in the past. It's real shame the fact that that realism has been going missing with time until getting to this new version, in which those brilliant moments are less existent. It is clear that PES popular game play has got stuck in time due to it's poor innovation, which is obvious in all areas.
 
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sando said:
IGN gives the OTHER game (360/ps3) 89%

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It's also debatable whether the dedication to realism actually equals more fun. Although there are many settings that can alter the game speed and how much the computer aids the players, the game constantly demands a more studied approach to play; an approach that puts it at odds with PES's feisty zip. Indeed, there's such a demarcation between the two now that the age-old argument over which is better seems moot -- it's now a question of choosing which package suits your requirements better.

And of course what goes in FIFA's favour is the sheer amount of content that's included.
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So Fifa being the most realistic game suddenly means it may not be more fun. That review isnt bad but reading between the lines u can see they really want to say Fifa 09 is the real deal and the superior game but havent got the balls to do so. If Pro-evo was doing realism these guys would be waxing lyrical!!
 
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I have scans for PES 2009 review from OPM uk. Whats the quickest way to upload them here?
 
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Make sure they are at a reasonable size and upload them to a free image hosting website like imageshack.us or tinypic.com

get the direct link from the website you've chosen and put an
tag around the .jpg file i.e.
opm.jpg
 
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I cant believe Seabass actually said that about PES. For years they were saying how 'PES is the closest recreation to the beautiful game' and now they go to say 'oh we never intended it to be a simulation'. If they continue to go down the arcade route then I will simply stop purchasing their games.

Regarding the Meristation preview they highlight some key points such as the continued use of 8 way directional movement, same animations, small changes to the Master League etc. The series has now become stagnant and needs a fresh start on the PS3/360/PC. I hope to God that PES 2010 can deliver that.
 
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Im looking forward to some proper interviews with Seabass this weekend since its the PES Championships in Rome and he is meant to be there. :)
 
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A hard guess would be that a kid will win the championship since PES 2008 is an arcade game :)
 
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A game can ben Realistic in physics and IA, with good attack/middledefense sizing, speed etc., and have a fun/instinctive gameplay...

I do not see how making commands more difficult to access would make it a real "simulation"
I'm not a Fifa hater, i like both game, but do not be blinded by the beautiful animation in which there is a script like in PES... Longer yet, when you push the stick in a direction when player have ball, he advance between 150/200 centimeters forwards, and the only(latency)way to stop it is to press the run button...

And the floating ball physics, with dubbious trajectories/curves, which you do not feel the power/weight...

Just to say fifa is far away to perfect football game, and good animations, graphics and some cheats hide a lot of defects in this game...
 
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I read now some reviews, but all are a bit wierd. They write Bayern and the other CL Teams are fully licenced, also the squads are updated and and and...
We saw from the pics from cynamite and co - this is not true ! Do they have all other versions of the game ?!
 
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I read now some reviews, but all are a bit wierd. They write Bayern and the other CL Teams are fully licenced, also the squads are updated and and and...
We saw from the pics from cynamite and co - this is not true ! Do they have all other versions of the game ?!
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I'd assume that the database was the only thing not final in other things we are seeing. I'm pretty sure Konami would of updated the teams at the last minute.
 
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No Old Trafford ??
 
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Hi, I just wanna say that in Meristation you must not to be confident at all. Juantxi, the one who makes this dramatic critic, is a FIFA fanboy, as his articles about 2002, 2003, 2004, etc versions of th EA's game reveal.

I've tried that demo of that game and, as a result, I like PES08 even more, despite its mistakes and horrible online play. 1 more thing I must say is that from the screenshots we've seen of the new version, the graphical improvement is actually there, in everything from the ball till the croud. The bad thing is I did not get the first division in Master League yet, after 4 seasons, so I think I'll never get it, since I'll be playing PES09 in three weeks. :-##:-## I've done it!

PS: LFP is not whole licensed, but my Deportivo does, so it's fine :DANCE:
 
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LawzE said:
I'd assume that the database was the only thing not final in other things we are seeing. I'm pretty sure Konami would of updated the teams at the last minute.
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I don´t think they´ll update the squads...but i won´t give up hope...
 
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quote form the OPM scans:
"As a result this feels like the near-perfect next-gen PES we've been waitin for"
is it sarcasm? is this all they wanted from next-gen PES? not biased at all..(this is sarcasm :) )

another quote
"now the tables have turned. FIFA 09 feels like the better representation of actual football"
Ok it was sarcasm.
 
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Meh I'm getting more disappointed with every new video. I see nothing in the gameplay that a PS2 couldn't do... There seem to be no advance at all. And with Seabass more or less says they are striving for a mixture between simulation and arcade just makes it worse. I want a game as close to realistic as possible so if Seabass doesn't change his views I can't see myself play PES. This is not good for the competition because EA could just start slacking off if PES doesn't challenge them on the realistic aspects of the game.
 
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Meh I'm getting more disappointed with every new video. I see nothing in the gameplay that a PS2 couldn't do... There seem to be no advance at all. And with Seabass more or less says they are striving for a mixture between simulation and arcade just makes it worse. I want a game as close to realistic as possible so if Seabass doesn't change his views I can't see myself play PES. This is not good for the competition because EA could just start slacking off if PES doesn't challenge them on the realistic aspects of the game.
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The worry I have with Fifa is EA will listen to those who moan abut it being to realistic and then go in a different direction.
 
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