PES 13 Master League Thread

[klashman69]

That's interesting, form is the reason I've stayed away from the game recently. If this is better after the patch then I could be tempted back into a ML. Only IF it's better, however.

Also, regarding player development, a mate of mine is currently doing one and he said Nouhei has been nerfed so that he's now rated at 72. This at least is much better and more realistic than seeing him at 90 by the end of season one.

Nouhei, well on my new master league I've not even bothered to promote hi from the youth system unlike with other master league where he was essential.

I'm doing a patch for the PC and he's no named 'van Voorden' I've renamed Neidellender', to 'Jermaine Neill'.

I've given many of those youth players proper names rather than Kryzksukthoavic

hold on, suuuuuuupertalk. I've just passed the transfer window of season 1 with Man United. I played Montpellier in the first leg of our elimination round in the Champions League and my purple arrows were: Scholes, Evra, Lindegaard, Rafael, Vidic, Valencia, Nani, Van Persie, Rooney, and Ashley Young.

Giggs and Anderson are injured for just this one week!

Nothing has changed about the form arrows so far. However, I will say that I play my best players all the time on poor arrows and we are third from top of the table.

Maybe my players are, in Wenger's words, "jaded".

Hmm i haven't got this far, however, that would have been one of your first match of the season, i think maybe your unlucky, i'm sure the arrows from what I've seen so far are much better.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

NOOOOOOOOOOO! Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!

Supertalk do yourself a favour, snap the PES 2013 disc, set it on fire, piss out the flames then grind it into dust under the sole of your boot. Sweep it up (probably best to use gloves of some sort because of the piss) and deposit it into the nearest bin. Or just trade it in. Whatever.

This game can only cause you pain my friend. Though I do enjoy your rants on here I worry about your sanity!

Lol I can't argue with that, though I think I come off on here as a hundred times more angry than I actually am. Plus, i gotta stop posting immediately after playing it!

IF I start playing it again, only IF, no more complaints, just factual ML update stories on here. Or you have permission to tell me to shut the **** up

 

[radha1]

Nouhei, well on my new master league I've not even bothered to promote hi from the youth system unlike with other master league where he was essential.

I'm doing a patch for the PC and he's no named 'van Voorden' I've renamed Neidellender', to 'Jermaine Neill'.

I've given many of those youth players proper names rather than Kryzksukthoavic



Hmm i haven't got this far, however, that would have been one of your first match of the season, i think maybe your unlucky, i'm sure the arrows from what I've seen so far are much better.

sorry klashman, I wasn't clear. I had just passed the winter transfer window and was playing my first leg (is it not called elimination round? or is it final sixteeen?) in, i guess, february.

 

[klashman69]

sorry klashman, I wasn't clear. I had just passed the winter transfer window and was playing my first leg (is it not called elimination round? or is it final sixteeen?) in, i guess, february.

Ohh ok, i think you where unlucky.

Are you getting new boots after every single win still?

 

[radha1]

Ohh ok, i think you where unlucky.

Are you getting new boots after every single win still?

Not quite after every win, but certainly a heck of a lot of boots. Don't know what to do with them, really. Everybody's already got good boots.

So I beat Montpellier on away goals in dramatic fashion. So on to the next round against Manchester City (who is also top of the league table--I'm in third). This is my line-up:

Purple: Rooney, Scholes, Jones, Valencia, Cleverly, Welbeck, Nani, Evra.
Blue: Chicharito, Kagawa, Carrick, Rafael, de Gea, Giggs.
Green: Van Persie, Smalling, Vidic, Evans.
Yellow: Lindegaard, Young.
Red: No players.

It is an away game, but sweet murphy, that is simply absurd. What average, casual gamer anywhere in the world would chose to play Manchester United in Master League so that they can not play their best players? What idiot at Konami decided to remove the fun from this game?

Having said that, I'm having a blast this go around. I just lost to Hotspur 4-3. Great game.

--good day!

 

[klashman69]

Not quite after every win, but certainly a heck of a lot of boots. Don't know what to do with them, really. Everybody's already got good boots.

So I beat Montpellier on away goals in dramatic fashion. So on to the next round against Manchester City (who is also top of the league table--I'm in third). This is my line-up:

Purple: Rooney, Scholes, Jones, Valencia, Cleverly, Welbeck, Nani, Evra.
Blue: Chicharito, Kagawa, Carrick, Rafael, de Gea, Giggs.
Green: Van Persie, Smalling, Vidic, Evans.
Yellow: Lindegaard, Young.
Red: No players.

It is an away game, but sweet murphy, that is simply absurd. What average, casual gamer anywhere in the world would chose to play Manchester United in Master League so that they can not play their best players? What idiot at Konami decided to remove the fun from this game?

Having said that, I'm having a blast this go around. I just lost to Hotspur 4-3. Great game.

--good day!

Nice, i have similar issues away from home in Europe with my WE United team, although I've been convincingly outclassed against the superior Lazio and Bordeaux.

The form really is far, far better of the games I've played in the league, home games, do feel even more like home games and away games in the league, not great form, they feel harder, but my dependable players tend too keep stable form.

Something which Never happened on 1.00 and 1.01 is happening now, the CPU have bad from when you play them at home, noticed the league leaders had mostly blues, same with the last 2 teams. Every game doesn't have that cheese CPU factor unlike in 1.01 etc.. things always going the CPU way because of form.

It's fantastic. Although i need to pass judgement on the player development though. Hope its not crazy like it was.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Anyone noticed how teamwork stats work post-patch? Do they now go down when you sign a player but go back up to what they originally were after playing them in your side for a while?

 

[radha1]

Anyone noticed how teamwork stats work post-patch? Do they now go down when you sign a player but go back up to what they originally were after playing them in your side for a while?

so far so good with teamwork. Signed a player on loan, left his team with 82 arrived at my team with 56, about 7-8 games later up to 68. Only other example is when I signed a CB named Hefele from Germany--arrived 65, about 7-8 game only up to 68 also. Maybe for new players beyond 68-70 takes more time, perhaps an off-season. Frankly, I liked the previous very difficult teamwork stat, but this is alright, still a massive difference between Hefele (68) and established players who have the stat in the 80's.

--good day

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

so far so good with teamwork. Signed a player on loan, left his team with 82 arrived at my team with 56, about 7-8 games later up to 68. Only other example is when I signed a CB named Hefele from Germany--arrived 65, about 7-8 game only up to 68 also. Maybe for new players beyond 68-70 takes more time, perhaps an off-season. Frankly, I liked the previous very difficult teamwork stat, but this is alright, still a massive difference between Hefele (68) and established players who have the stat in the 80's.

--good day

Okay thanks, I think I'm gonna take the plunge and start ML again. Just can't do without a football game I'm afraid. But if the teamwork and form is a little better, then at least the patch would have achieved something.

 

[radha1]

Okay thanks, I think I'm gonna take the plunge and start ML again. Just can't do without a football game I'm afraid. But if the teamwork and form is a little better, then at least the patch would have achieved something.

I would suggest that form is not better after the patch (if by better we mean sensible).

 

[pj_puttz]

Lol I can't argue with that, though I think I come off on here as a hundred times more angry than I actually am. Plus, i gotta stop posting immediately after playing it!

IF I start playing it again, only IF, no more complaints, just factual ML update stories on here. Or you have permission to tell me to shut the **** up

I actually enjoy reading your rants about the game mate, probably because you talk about the exact same ball achingly frustrating things that I have experienced while playing PES over the years.

So long as your mental health remains unaffected, let the rage continue!

 

[abriroyesejuiii]

ok

1.00 IA decent game (IA)
1.02 IA -ping pong pass- abussive... all teams seem to barcelona


1.00 is more natural
I edited with "wild editor"

has taken a long time, but I modified team by team, now all play different, very difficult to beat Barcelona, Arsenal FC with a similar style, Real Madrid on the counterattack, small teams are more defensive, and has also changed other values​​.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

I actually enjoy reading your rants about the game mate, probably because you talk about the exact same ball achingly frustrating things that I have experienced while playing PES over the years.

So long as your mental health remains unaffected, let the rage continue!

Haha as long as it's entertaining!

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Right, I started another ML. Version 1.02. Zero assists. Superstar. ML defaults. I PROMISE no more moaning. Just ML stories I promise!

From what I've played of it, the patch has actually made some decent improvements, and my whole ML experience is a lot better than before. I think the patch has sharpened and improved the game graphically, say what you want, but IMO there are minor gameplay tweaks in there too. I've had some fantastic matches with the play taking place in midfield a lot. It feels more polished.

Key differences I've noticed in ML since the patch are how much better the game flows without the auto-save interrupting the calendar. So much better. Also, I've noticed how every single player has their own stat-changing boots. And I've been awarded two new pairs in the first three weeks of the season. It's too early to tell regarding the teamwork, which Konami said they were fixing, and the form, but I'm gonna put up with it whatever the case.

So, on to season one. I'm again with Benfica, this time determined to actually do a proper campaign with them.

First thing I did was to release a couple of squad players, and sell on two players for around £300,000. I promoted Nouhei and Neillendner from the youth squad.

Trying a little cheeky trick I did last time, I went straight to the 'free agents' search function and immediately found that the entire Benfica squad are of course sitting there without a club. I don't have the funds to sign the top players who made way for my ML default players, but I did manage to secure the signatures on free transfers of a number of younger, up and coming players.

I like this idea, taking on a new squad of players who are terrible, but utilizing the club's limited initial funds to wheel and deal and get some of the younger original Benfica players back. It's given the club a fighting chance, albiet at the expense of my club's entire budget for the season.

So, in came the following players;

Artur (79 rated keeper), Sidnei (77 rated CB), Yannick Djalo (67 rated SS/RM), Alan Kardec (73 rated target man CF) but the jewell in Benfica's crown is definitely the signing of AMF Bruno Cesar, a 79 rated midfielder with a host of cards including the Talisman. He goes in as the club's playmaker, captain and club hero quite frankly.

These five players cost me the bulk of my transfer budget in wages, the other 'former' Benfica players were not interested or totally out of my club's budget.

So, on to the start of the season, I've drawn my opening two matches, 1-1 with Kardec netting on his debut, and 2-2 with two goals from Bruno Cesar. I then followed those up with a 4-2 home win which saw a hat-trick from midfield from Bruno Cesar and a glancing header from Kardec. Having this spine through the centre of my side with Artur, Sidnei, Bruno Cesar and Kardec really seems to be pulling my side along, not least when they're surrounded by absolutely crappy ML default players.

Back to the 4-2 win though, Cesar stole the show, the first two goals relatively scrappy affairs, but the third goal, to seal the win, was the best goal I've ever scored on PES. Using all his technique, Bruno Cesar pulled off a knuckle-shot which swerved past the keeper - check out how much the ball swerves past the keeper at the last minute. First time I've ever actually scored a knuckle-shot.

YouTube - PES2013

Bruno Cesar has been a revelation though. I noticed he was fairly anonymous in his first match, but I experimented in that game by handing him the captaincy at half-time. Since then he was instantly transformed into a midfield dynamo. His off the ball movement is light years ahead of everyone else around him. I think perhaps the Talisman card 'reacts' well to having him as captain. It's been a well known fact that in previous PES games handing people the captain's armband can increase their ability. Seems to do so with this chap.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Has anyone else noticed that post-patch, they seem to have fixed the other CPU teams score-lines ?

I noticed after a few matches that we played last night on 1.02 that the other scores were like 4-3, 3-2, 2-2, 5-1, etc etc. No more 0-0, 1-0, 1-1's every week. Which is nice.

As for the Form, even with a Purple it's only a 7% stat reduction across the board, so players can still perform, just not at their peak. We had to play Emnes last night on a Purple and he scored a couple of beauties, and set a goal up. Sure he was tired at about the 75 minute mark, but he still performed.

Try playing a match without even looking at the Form arrows, and then try and guess what they were after 85 minutes. Then check you're own assumptions in Gameplan. A lot of people are going into these games already mentally beaten when they see a Purple. Don't do that.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

That's true, I'm playing people whether they're on purple or not now. The only real issue is when your keeper is on purple, he clearly looks off form and you can't rely on him to save anything.

I had some good games last night on this, I'm mid-table with a strange run of results - one win, six draws, no defeats. I also had an epic cup match away at Academica, a team from the top division and miles better than me.

I went with three at the back and five in midfield to try and stifle the midfield, and for the most part it worked and I ran very close to pulling off a cup shock. I took the lead, comfortably saw out the first half, but as my side grew tired, Academica pinned them back and equalised on 86 minutes. Shattered, my team ran out of steam and ended up losing 2-1 in extra time.

I'm still not sure about game length though. Scores are too low on ten minute matches, and if I go a goal down inside the last ten minutes I have virtually no time to equalise. Increase it to fifteen minute matches, however, and scores are too high, often 2-2 or 3-2 every game. Also, the games take what feel like far too long and I don't feel I have the time to get through a full ML playing longer games. I can't find a happy medium. Wish there was an option for 11, or 12 minute matches to be honest.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

What's the rush ? 15 minute games are perfect for me. Plenty of time to mix it up, strategy wise, and for it to have an effect. We have had plenty of 0-0's, 1-0's etc on 15 minute games. If anything, I tend to see the games have higher scorelines on 10 minute matches as the balance is reduced to squeeze 90 minutes worth of action into a lesser time-frame.

Just my 2-cents on that though.

As for the Purple Keeper, tell me about it, it argubaly cost us promotion last year. But hey, it is what it is, and we will be a better team this year because of it.

 

[klashman69]

Has anyone else noticed that post-patch, they seem to have fixed the other CPU teams score-lines ?

I noticed after a few matches that we played last night on 1.02 that the other scores were like 4-3, 3-2, 2-2, 5-1, etc etc. No more 0-0, 1-0, 1-1's every week. Which is nice.

As for the Form, even with a Purple it's only a 7% stat reduction across the board, so players can still perform, just not at their peak. We had to play Emnes last night on a Purple and he scored a couple of beauties, and set a goal up. Sure he was tired at about the 75 minute mark, but he still performed.

Try playing a match without even looking at the Form arrows, and then try and guess what they were after 85 minutes. Then check you're own assumptions in Gameplan. A lot of people are going into these games already mentally beaten when they see a Purple. Don't do that.

Depends on the league now.

I'm getting 0-0's an 1-0 every week in the PES league, but it seems to be stat relative, PES Untied are scoring a lot, the rest have shit strikers who just ain't scoring. My games are pretty low scoring too.

The Europa League however seems to be a goal fest! I think Bordeaux scored like 20 goals in 6 games. I'll just check now.

Just checked.

After 16 games:

Barca have scored 41 goals
Real Madrid have scored 35
Sevilla have 27
Athetico have 24

Chelsea have scored 27
Man City 26

PSG have 35 goals.

It seems to depend on the strikers, Ibra, Lavessi, Torres (yes Torres top scorer with 12), Messi and Falcao both 16 and 13 respectively.

Some of the usual suspects in the premeir league are struggling even.

Seems as if Cristino hasn't scored any, which is my fault, I haven't set him in the right position.

Its been boosted and it seems to balance out with the stats and more importantly formation.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Right, I started another ML. Version 1.02. Zero assists. Superstar. ML defaults. I PROMISE no more moaning. Just ML stories I promise!

From what I've played of it, the patch has actually made some decent improvements, and my whole ML experience is a lot better than before. I think the patch has sharpened and improved the game graphically, say what you want, but IMO there are minor gameplay tweaks in there too. I've had some fantastic matches with the play taking place in midfield a lot. It feels more polished.

Key differences I've noticed in ML since the patch are how much better the game flows without the auto-save interrupting the calendar. So much better. Also, I've noticed how every single player has their own stat-changing boots. And I've been awarded two new pairs in the first three weeks of the season. It's too early to tell regarding the teamwork, which Konami said they were fixing, and the form, but I'm gonna put up with it whatever the case.

So, on to season one. I'm again with Benfica, this time determined to actually do a proper campaign with them.

First thing I did was to release a couple of squad players, and sell on two players for around £300,000. I promoted Nouhei and Neillendner from the youth squad.

Trying a little cheeky trick I did last time, I went straight to the 'free agents' search function and immediately found that the entire Benfica squad are of course sitting there without a club. I don't have the funds to sign the top players who made way for my ML default players, but I did manage to secure the signatures on free transfers of a number of younger, up and coming players.

I like this idea, taking on a new squad of players who are terrible, but utilizing the club's limited initial funds to wheel and deal and get some of the younger original Benfica players back. It's given the club a fighting chance, albiet at the expense of my club's entire budget for the season.

So, in came the following players;

Artur (79 rated keeper), Sidnei (77 rated CB), Yannick Djalo (67 rated SS/RM), Alan Kardec (73 rated target man CF) but the jewell in Benfica's crown is definitely the signing of AMF Bruno Cesar, a 79 rated midfielder with a host of cards including the Talisman. He goes in as the club's playmaker, captain and club hero quite frankly.

These five players cost me the bulk of my transfer budget in wages, the other 'former' Benfica players were not interested or totally out of my club's budget.

So, on to the start of the season, I've drawn my opening two matches, 1-1 with Kardec netting on his debut, and 2-2 with two goals from Bruno Cesar. I then followed those up with a 4-2 home win which saw a hat-trick from midfield from Bruno Cesar and a glancing header from Kardec. Having this spine through the centre of my side with Artur, Sidnei, Bruno Cesar and Kardec really seems to be pulling my side along, not least when they're surrounded by absolutely crappy ML default players.

Back to the 4-2 win though, Cesar stole the show, the first two goals relatively scrappy affairs, but the third goal, to seal the win, was the best goal I've ever scored on PES. Using all his technique, Bruno Cesar pulled off a knuckle-shot which swerved past the keeper - check out how much the ball swerves past the keeper at the last minute. First time I've ever actually scored a knuckle-shot.

YouTube - PES2013

Bruno Cesar has been a revelation though. I noticed he was fairly anonymous in his first match, but I experimented in that game by handing him the captaincy at half-time. Since then he was instantly transformed into a midfield dynamo. His off the ball movement is light years ahead of everyone else around him. I think perhaps the Talisman card 'reacts' well to having him as captain. It's been a well known fact that in previous PES games handing people the captain's armband can increase their ability. Seems to do so with this chap.

Just watched this, that is some crazy swerve going on there. Class.

I've never scored a Knuckleball Shot, I always seem to forget to attempt one during play. Even though I have a CB with the Card.

Did you mean to pull off that shot ? Was it the double-delayed-tap ?

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Just watched this, that is some crazy swerve going on there. Class.

I've never scored a Knuckleball Shot, I always seem to forget to attempt one during play. Even though I have a CB with the Card.

Did you mean to pull off that shot ? Was it the double-delayed-tap ?

I did mean it, I don't normally attempt them and when I do they never seem to work, guess I got lucky!

LOL I'm currently 10 matches without a win, drew an incredible nine league games in a row before finally losing.. I had 22 shots on target to the CPU's 1 shot at goal, lost 1-0.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Does anyone else get those games where the CPU rips you to shreds? I just had an amazing game, beating the league leaders 4-0 at home to secure my first win in 11 matches, only for the following week to lose 4-0. The COM went absolutely ballistic, I've not seen anything like that before. The COM had 16 shots on goal to my 4, I spent most of the game desperately hacking the ball away because every pass I made saw three of four COM players telepathically hammering past the recipient of the pass and coming away with the ball. I took an absolute trouncing, out of nowhere. After hammering the league leaders it's back to square one then

 

[klashman69]

Does anyone else get those games where the CPU rips you to shreds? I just had an amazing game, beating the league leaders 4-0 at home to secure my first win in 11 matches, only for the following week to lose 4-0. The COM went absolutely ballistic, I've not seen anything like that before. The COM had 16 shots on goal to my 4, I spent most of the game desperately hacking the ball away because every pass I made saw three of four COM players telepathically hammering past the recipient of the pass and coming away with the ball. I took an absolute trouncing, out of nowhere. After hammering the league leaders it's back to square one then

Yes, errm well i've been destroyed mercilessly by Lazio and Bordedeux. Even after going 1-0 up. That's about it, recently, been destroyed many times in other Master leagues earlier especially with Deportivo and West ham.

Lazio was gutting since i was 1-0 at half time, i lose concentration Klose scored a silly goal the the floodgates opened.

Key is to change tactics, always adapt to how the the CPU is playing if they get the upper hand. Try keep the ball or change your marking settings, change defensive line or player roles. Its usually down to something like that.

Those massive defeats usually happen when you go into a game without studying the CPU's team, their form how good their players are and change your team to make sure you cover their strengths.

Also in defence, too many center backs when you use the defaults have 2 for def and 2 for attack. They are quite shit to be honest, really unorganized. There is this defender called Djardanik, he's 86 from the start as stats almost as good as Thomas Vermaelen's but he's just awful. Positioning terrible, he's 179cm, not strong, gets barged off the ball. Useless defender.

 

[Suuuuupertalk]

Hmm, well, I don't really think on those occasions there's anything tactical you can do. If most of your players are off-form and the COM is first to every loose ball, slaloming past your players etc then you just have to take it on the chin I think. At least I know it's not just me who encounters the COM going a bit crazy sometimes. When it happens I usually find myself 2 or 3 down inside 15 minutes then the opponents revert back to normal and calm down again. One one occasion I then managed to fight back to 2-2, on others, I lose badly.

I've had a totally mixed first half of the season, some stomping home wins 4-0 and 5-2 followed by some frustrating games away from home. At the halfway stage in the season I'm exactly halfway up the league, in 10th place, with 4 wins, 10 draws and 3 losses. It's a bit strange only losing 3 out of 17 games and being just 6 points off the bottom but draws will do that. The form arrows have been altered in a much better way though since the patch, I've noticed that most of my home games see my players with green, yellow, red arrows etc whereas away from home, I'm getting a lot of purple and blues. Not ideal but at least reflects the fact that playing away from home is more difficult.

Anyways, I've done one bit of business in the January window, striker Nolito has joined on a free to complete my ex-Benfica fringe player signing spree. The thing I like about the players I've signed is that in real life, or even PES, they're not first team starters for Benfica, Bruno Cesar apart, so they are young and able to develop, and relatively cheap too. Seeing as they are replacing the ML default shambles I've had, they're like international superstars in comparison!

I FINALLY won my first away match of the season now, 3-2, with Nolito scoring on his debut from 40 yards with an empty net after their keeper rushed out of his box, cleared the ball, and Nolito nipped in ahead of the midfielder and sent the ball back with interest....though I'm expecting to have a struggle to keep hold of Bruno Cesar. What a player he is for me. Top scorer in Div2 with 12 goals, five ahead of the nearest player, and top of the Div2 assist charts with 8. All this from midfield.

I think he'll be handing in a transfer request before too long. Has anyone tried resisting requests before? Does it affect their form badly?

Going to be a fun second half of the season, I'm expecting some improvement on the first half. If I can convert some of these draws into wins, I'll enjoy a nice rise up the table. Alternatively, if I don't and they turn into defeats, it's gonna be a hard graft......

 

[klashman69]

Hmm, well, I don't really think on those occasions there's anything tactical you can do. If most of your players are off-form and the COM is first to every loose ball, slaloming past your players etc then you just have to take it on the chin I think. At least I know it's not just me who encounters the COM going a bit crazy sometimes. When it happens I usually find myself 2 or 3 down inside 15 minutes then the opponents revert back to normal and calm down again. One one occasion I then managed to fight back to 2-2, on others, I lose badly.

This is what has made the gameplay for me outstanding, just me, my personal tastes, in the sense that every situation is usually unique. There is never a game in which you just know full well what will happen and how you will score, you know you have the possibility to rescue a bad situation.

I've had a totally mixed first half of the season, some stomping home wins 4-0 and 5-2 followed by some frustrating games away from home. At the halfway stage in the season I'm exactly halfway up the league, in 10th place, with 4 wins, 10 draws and 3 losses. It's a bit strange only losing 3 out of 17 games and being just 6 points off the bottom but draws will do that. The form arrows have been altered in a much better way though since the patch, I've noticed that most of my home games see my players with green, yellow, red arrows etc whereas away from home, I'm getting a lot of purple and blues. Not ideal but at least reflects the fact that playing away from home is more difficult.

Oh, my friend, I will later do a little piece on my experiences with WE United. I just cannot win away from home! I'm unbeaten at home but away from home, just had a massive string of draws. It's even more so than the form, I tell you, even when i play those on form, away games are really tough, far more so than even PES 2011.

At home my setup just seems to work really, really well, I push teams back, I came up against an impressive on form Theeselvagen, they went 1-0 up early, it seemed even for a while then I just took over with constant attacks, I got back to 1-1 at the end with subs at the right time, they seemed tired, their resistance gave in, they just kept giving the ball away.

As you know, it's very realsitic this factor. Its also stat relative to the 'player for stat', and 'tenacity'. Those with 7 or 8 should retain good form away from home

I FINALLY won my first away match of the season now, 3-2, with Nolito scoring on his debut from 40 yards with an empty net after their keeper rushed out of his box, cleared the ball, and Nolito nipped in ahead of the midfielder and sent the ball back with interest....though I'm expecting to have a struggle to keep hold of Bruno Cesar. What a player he is for me. Top scorer in Div2 with 12 goals, five ahead of the nearest player, and top of the Div2 assist charts with 8. All this from midfield.

I think he'll be handing in a transfer request before too long. Has anyone tried resisting requests before? Does it affect their form badly?

Best thing to do is to raise the offer from the club who has made an offer for him.

Its not the best thing to keep breaking down moves for those players, they will lose form and get angry and demand a move.

That's life being a small club on this game. I know full well my WE United team have some very very talented youngsters, i'm sure all of them in the next 3-4 seasons will leave at some time, I will have to invest heavily in youth.

There is no way quality like Zerkovic, Eichmann, Cioccolina, Collins (colipher) Jermaine Neill (Neidelleder) and Tibovsky will stay for very long.

 

[lukas_rod]

Any tactics tips to increase players movement and runs? My team has always been very lazy when it comes to movements on the opposite half

Hmm, well

1. Default players
2. Superstar difficult
3. 10 min matches

I'm sorry but you must be a very hardcore player to find any fun on that

 

[pj_puttz]

I've found in just about every PES I've ever played that no matter what level my team is at the games against the teams at the top are almost always easier than the teams who are below me.

I've lost count of the times I've hammered the league leaders only to be ripped apart in the next game against the team at the bottom of the league.

Always makes me wonder if this is some sort of catch up logic that's programmed into the game in order to make it more "exciting" or "realistic" or whatever Konami thinks those words actually mean.

I honestly dont think tactics or any of that stuff comes into it, the AI simply "decides" at times that you're going to have a hell of a hard game on your hands.

This is at it's most obvious when you're running away with the league. You beat the second place team, who previously have won every game, and what happens then is they start to lose games and another team rises up, winning ever game, to take their place as challenger for the title. In addition to that the games against the teams at the bottom of the league suddenly become incredibly difficult with their players performing WAY above what their stats and league standing suggests they are capable of.

Players then create scenarios in their heads to justify this, which is what we see on forums like this all the time. Scenarios such as "Oh but teams always try harder against the league leaders!" or "Perhaps your tactic weren't right?" or "Maybe your players just had a bad day at the office?" etc. etc. etc. What it actually is is rubber band logic to make the game harder. Simple as that. But because it's a football game, we make excuses for it and give Konami WAY more credit than they deserve for making the game "realistic".

I think some people can see through this "cheating" (or whatever you want to call it) then cant "unsee" it and some people make excuses for it along the line of "its a funny old game".

Maybe if I was in the latter camp I could enjoy PES again to some degree but I'm not. So I cant.

 

[xPJRx]

Afternoon guys!
Am in my 7th ML season, after winning D2 my first season in the prem was aimed at just staying up, I finished 7th securing a Europa League spot.
Am now 8 games into the new season, 6th in the Prem and currently Top of my Europa League group after 3 games.

I was playing on v1.0 up until recently after Jimmy's suggestion, and my observations about the new v1.02 patch are as follows:

- No apparent core game play changes
- Scripting seems ramped up a bit more
- Overall balance of the games seems tweaked to favour the CPU teams more
- CPU pressuring increased

apart from disable the auto save the patch has made absolutely no discernible difference to me. If anything its made the game slightly less enjoyable due to the lesser amount of freedom you get to play the ball about now.
Form is still wank, I was on a 5 game unbeaten run and came back from 2-0 down to beat the 2nd placed team 3-2, next match 8 of my starting 11 were blue or purple arrowed, I had to play a completely different team next game including players that were in wrong positions and subsequently lost the match.

The low CPU scorelines isn't an Issue in the premier league and never was an issue in the prem whilst I was in D2.
It appears the whole D2 setup in PES is fucked this year, chants don't work, low low CPU scorelines, league name and ball type not taking effect in edit mode for D2 etc etc.

Since the patch I'm also getting boots after every win or draw, I had 6 pairs in the whole of last season, I've had 6 pairs in my first 10 games this season.

 

[Jimmy G-Force]

Afternoon guys!
Am in my 7th ML season, after winning D2 my first season in the prem was aimed at just staying up, I finished 7th securing a Europa League spot.
Am now 8 games into the new season, 6th in the Prem and currently Top of my Europa League group after 3 games.

I was playing on v1.0 up until recently after Jimmy's suggestion, and my observations about the new v1.02 patch are as follows:

- No apparent core game play changes
- Scripting seems ramped up a bit more
- Overall balance of the games seems tweaked to favour the CPU teams more
- CPU pressuring increased

apart from disable the auto save the patch has made absolutely no discernible difference to me. If anything its made the game slightly less enjoyable due to the lesser amount of freedom you get to play the ball about now.
Form is still wank, I was on a 5 game unbeaten run and came back from 2-0 down to beat the 2nd placed team 3-2, next match 8 of my starting 11 were blue or purple arrowed, I had to play a completely different team next game including players that were in wrong positions and subsequently lost the match.

The low CPU scorelines isn't an Issue in the premier league and never was an issue in the prem whilst I was in D2.
It appears the whole D2 setup in PES is fucked this year, chants don't work, low low CPU scorelines, league name and ball type not taking effect in edit mode for D2 etc etc.

Since the patch I'm also getting boots after every win or draw, I had 6 pairs in the whole of last season, I've had 6 pairs in my first 10 games this season.

So have you gone back to 1.00 bud ? I'm thinking I probably will for my offline ML.

 

[xPJRx]

I did go back to v1.0 even after the v.102 patch mate, then one night when loading up i wasn't paying attention and accidentally upgraded to v1.02 again and have left it there.
I do prefer the not having auto save kick in every match and attacking headers seem tweaked slightly to be more effective which I like so its a flip up between pro's and cons but think i'll just stick on the latest ver going forward.

 

[TheJinxedOne]

So, it's almost Christmas time and my copy of PES is firmly wrapped up ready for opening! Looking forward to returning to the PES side of things.

Couple of things:

1) What's new in the general ML/FL mode? Any dramatic changes in terms of player development or youth players coming through?

2) Anyone got a good set of files for the Npower Championship and Barclays Premier League? Thinking of using GTM again but would be good to know if there happens to be a better option.