Next Gen Consoles

TikTikTikTikTik said:
I think it also depends on which perspective of MS you subscribe to, I was in agreement with their sell-on policy because it I think devs should get the money from 2nd hand sales instead of the likes of Game, but at the same time I don't trust the market (i.e. Sony and MS....and no-one else) to price accordingly.

Which brings me to my mistrust, I don't believe MS are doing anything that will significantly improve gaming or are introducing anything that is really meaningfull (and the same goes for Sony). Nor do I think that is their aim, they have seen what iTunes is doing for Apple and are trying to crowbar a similar system into the gaming sector with the consumers being asked to pay for it with no competition in place once you have bought into the xbox. Sony are just as bad imo, you only have at look at their pricing policy for online games!

However for me the difference is I don't have to buy into it [read: kinect] with Sony, and I'm getting a cheaper and more powerfull games machine for it.

For those who want an integrated system that seamlessly goes from tv to gaming to tablets ect I think the xbox is the only valid choice. A mate of mine has a windowsphone and surface and he loves the way those are all going to integrate into a single unified system.

As for the kinect clip posted earlier, the question at the end of the article is: "Kinect justified?" Uhh, no. You could just as easily use a free qr reader on your smartphone to do the same and link it to your ms account. No need for a 100e add-on....and you could save the planet by being able to print it on a smaller piece of paper.

"Microsoft, destroying our natural planet to justify a Kinect!"

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Because the Kinect is just about reading qr codes? It was just to show what it can do and the potential. I think it is much better than typing in one of those long arse codes.

It is about ease of use and speed, you could probably turn the xbox on and be watching a film or playing a game with just a couple of phrases. Instead of looking for the controller then scrolling through things etc

For me the potential of Kinect could enhance games quite a bit. Depending on how well it recognises hand/finger movements. Gesture control could have a big impact.

I know in the Rainbow games you had voice commands etc to control your group. But with Kinect you could maybe do hand signals instead when you are doing stealth missions and are not allowed to use radio communication etc

I think kinect can add little subtleties to games that can just improve them a little bit more. Maybe not groundbreaking stuff, but can make you immerse into the games more and add something different to the same old things we are getting used to in certain genres of games.

I have a crap imagination, my hand gesture thing was just an idea. I'm sure ideas people in the gaming industry can come up with some great stuff when they put their minds to it.

The fact that every xbone will come with a kinect also enhances the probability of game developers using it as well and will hopefully move away from the gimmicky side of things, where kinect additions to games were an after thought and make them more integral. (Although some people don't want Kinect features, so they need to do a difficult balancing act)

I just don't see the hate for Kinect, it has potential, I can understand being skeptical because it hasn't exactly hit the ground running since it has been introduced, but with better tech and if developers take it more seriously, I think it can add quite a lot to games and the system as a whole.

Again it boils down to if you don't like kinect and are interested in playing on just a games machine, then just get the Playstation, if you want extras and like the idea of Kinect get an Xbone if you are willing to pay the extra.
 
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Lami said:
These aren't jaw dropping to me though. They're graphical updates. If you think these are jaw dropping then don't know what you'll be dropping in a few years time :P
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If that trailer a few posts above for NBA 2K14 doesn't make your jaw drop nothing will. Specially on Xbox One since it's the inferior machine. I guess you should be looking at high end PC gaming for your jaw dropping needs. :)
 
Forza 5 is now apparently down to 200 cars and 14 tracks. Loads haven't made the final cut, which is staggering.

Tracks cut:

Suzuka
Sunset Peninsula
Fujimi Kaido
Infineon (Sonoma)
Maple Valley
Mugello
Road America
Nordscheilfe (expected as DLC)
Tsukuba

TBH, when next gen was announced, one of the main talking points was how Forza 5 should be able to accommodate 1000 cars and 200+ tracks. Just shows.
 
airjoca said:
If that trailer a few posts above for NBA 2K14 doesn't make your jaw drop nothing will. Specially on Xbox One since it's the inferior machine. I guess you should be looking at high end PC gaming for your jaw dropping needs. :)
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In a couple years I'm sure I will be ;)
 
In MLB 14 The Show you'll be able to take you Road To The Show save and continue it in future games, so no need to start a new save and go through the grind of playing two seasons before getting called up.

I hope all sports games eventually have this feature too.

Kotaku

Does FIFA do something similar?
 
I agree in principle with Eaton about the Kinect - it's great that MS are at least forcing that through the fanbase inertia so that devs are more likely to take it seriously. I honestly wish Sony had made their camera compulsory and taken a bigger loss per console, for the sake of another £15 / $25.

The difference between the Kinect and the Nintendo Wiimote, though (besides the public image of both companies and the relative transparency of MS's desire to make money out of us), is the cost. The Wiimote made innovative use of existing, cheap tech, and combined it with real first-party ingenuity to ensure it was immediately entertaining and desirable. MS have thrown a lot of bleeding edge tech at the Kinect and put the cost onto the prospective consumer, and as yet the chief justification to buy one being presented to the masses is that it can scan codes, read faces, understand speech... all stuff that anybody can do with a modest webcam, microphone and third-party software. I'm fully aware that the Kinect can do amazing things, but at the moment it's a Ferrari being used for the school run.

Sony are doing far more than just soup-up the PS3, and it's selective to view it as such - as well as their existing focus on originality and maturing the content of games (and that doesn't just mean more boobs and swearing) they're doing a hell of a lot to promote indie support, to encourage invention and creativity, to advance games by giving developers licence to use their imagination. As many have said, it's the games that need to progress more than the resolution/frame rate; but it's almost definitely going to be indie titles using the Kinect that advance XB1 games more than the full budget space marine releases going side-by-side with TV episodes.

So much of the cost of owning an XB1 is funding the Cloud venture, the Kinect, the online, the buyouts of exclusive games / TV deals... the real innovation would have been combining Kinect 2 (or even a 1.5, since most of its functionality will go unused by 99.9% of games) with much more focus on the 'XB1 = dev kit' plan, creating something along the lines of LBP that lets non-technical people make functioning games in the space of a couple of hours, and then watching as bigger studios make exclusives based on the creativity of the millions of amateurs having fun with the tech.

There's no reason that the above can't eventually happen alongside all the high-end tech MS are pushing - I just feel the vision outside of the set-top box approach is too, erm, cloudy, and in the end it's not going to captialise on them.
 
My problem with Kinect is that it's a mandatory purchase with the console despite the fact that it still hasn't shown one single example of actually making games better to play. It's an incredible bit of hardware but all I've heard so far is of its potential, like first Kinect, very little evidence publishers will make use of it, while simultanuleously strangling up to 10% of CPU usage from the console, and allegedly being able to feed back all sorts of data about your bodily reactions for the purposes of targeted marketing.

That doesn't seem like the future of gaming to me.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
My problem with Kinect is that it's a mandatory purchase with the console despite the fact that it still hasn't shown one single example of actually making games better to play. It's an incredible bit of hardware but all I've heard so far is of its potential, like first Kinect, very little evidence publishers will make use of it, while simultanuleously strangling up to 10% of CPU usage from the console, and allegedly being able to feed back all sorts of data about your bodily reactions for the purposes of targeted marketing.

That doesn't seem like the future of gaming to me.
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It makes Kinect games better to play :PP

The Wii for example used to come with one controller. To get the best out of it you had to buy another controller and two nunchuk remotes and maybe the extra things to make them more sensitive. Add it all up and how much extra would that have cost?

At least the Kinect that is it, you have the sensor and you are ready to go.

For me now that it is mandatory, hopefully we will see the real potential of the Kinect. I see it as a positive as I have said before, as developers will know that if they add a feature it will less likely be a waste of their time because 100% of the people playing will have access to that feature. Whereas before only say 20% did (I don't know the real figure, but I guess it was very low?)

But it could end up just still being a gimick for games, but it is also used across the spectrum of the xbone as well in media, searching, playback, link with skype etc speeding up certain processes etc

The advertising thing isn't great, but I have heard there are a number of privacy options you can choose in settings with the Kinect from letting it do everything, all the way down to turning it off completely and not using it (It doesn't have to be on). Also it is what happens when you surf the web anyway, the cookies determine where you have been and serve you particular ads from what you have been looking at previously, I guess it will work similarly with the kinect? It might detect you wear glasses and then show you adverts for them....which might be quite handy ;))

Advertising is going to come into every part of society, it basically is already. But the Kinect isn't going to scan your body make a clone of you and start committing crimes for example ;)), I think people are going over the top a bit with the privacy thing imo.
 
IMO the kinect is novelty shite, I care nothing for being "in games" and the dog gets in the bloody way.

Fine to shout stuff and scan codes, but the rest is not for me
 
BobbyBox said:
It makes Kinect games better to play :PP

The Wii for example used to come with one controller. To get the best out of it you had to buy another controller and two nunchuk remotes and maybe the extra things to make them more sensitive. Add it all up and how much extra would that have cost?

At least the Kinect that is it, you have the sensor and you are ready to go.

For me now that it is mandatory, hopefully we will see the real potential of the Kinect. I see it as a positive as I have said before, as developers will know that if they add a feature it will less likely be a waste of their time because 100% of the people playing will have access to that feature. Whereas before only say 20% did (I don't know the real figure, but I guess it was very low?)

But it could end up just still being a gimick for games, but it is also used across the spectrum of the xbone as well in media, searching, playback, link with skype etc speeding up certain processes etc

The advertising thing isn't great, but I have heard there are a number of privacy options you can choose in settings with the Kinect from letting it do everything, all the way down to turning it off completely and not using it (It doesn't have to be on). Also it is what happens when you surf the web anyway, the cookies determine where you have been and serve you particular ads from what you have been looking at previously, I guess it will work similarly with the kinect? It might detect you wear glasses and then show you adverts for them....which might be quite handy ;))

Advertising is going to come into every part of society, it basically is already. But the Kinect isn't going to scan your body make a clone of you and start committing crimes for example ;)), I think people are going over the top a bit with the privacy thing imo.
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You're right in that the potential user base is now 100% compared to say 20% on 360 Kinect, so only time will tell on that I guess. I haven't noticed any games on, or near launch though that are using it in any meaningful way, best I've seen is BF4 having a feature to lean round corners with it. But so far it doesn't, to me personally, justify an extra £100.

I'm also sceptical about the marketing potential, I also read that it might be able to detect the number of people in a room to auto adjust movie rental fees according to who's in front of it. I'm not sure if this kind of thing will happen but again all I hear are things about potential restrictions and marketing rather than revolutionary game ideas.

Time will tell though :)
 
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BobbyBox said:
Because the Kinect is just about reading qr codes? It was just to show what it can do and the potential. I think it is much better than typing in one of those long arse codes.

It is about ease of use and speed, you could probably turn the xbox on and be watching a film or playing a game with just a couple of phrases. Instead of looking for the controller then scrolling through things etc

For me the potential of Kinect could enhance games quite a bit. Depending on how well it recognises hand/finger movements. Gesture control could have a big impact.

I know in the Rainbow games you had voice commands etc to control your group. But with Kinect you could maybe do hand signals instead when you are doing stealth missions and are not allowed to use radio communication etc

I think kinect can add little subtleties to games that can just improve them a little bit more. Maybe not groundbreaking stuff, but can make you immerse into the games more and add something different to the same old things we are getting used to in certain genres of games.

I have a crap imagination, my hand gesture thing was just an idea. I'm sure ideas people in the gaming industry can come up with some great stuff when they put their minds to it.

The fact that every xbone will come with a kinect also enhances the probability of game developers using it as well and will hopefully move away from the gimmicky side of things, where kinect additions to games were an after thought and make them more integral. (Although some people don't want Kinect features, so they need to do a difficult balancing act)

I just don't see the hate for Kinect, it has potential, I can understand being skeptical because it hasn't exactly hit the ground running since it has been introduced, but with better tech and if developers take it more seriously, I think it can add quite a lot to games and the system as a whole.

Again it boils down to if you don't like kinect and are interested in playing on just a games machine, then just get the Playstation, if you want extras and like the idea of Kinect get an Xbone if you are willing to pay the extra.
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I wasnt having a go at the clip, but whoever it was moaned about people having a go in the comments section, which if you ask, as a site; Kinect justified?, your asking for trouble. Re the qr code, what I said was that you have free apps on your smartphone which does it aswell....so nothing special.

I do really like your stealth idea, imagine playing metal gear, or something similar where not only can you only do physical commands it also measures your body/breathing noise to analyse how easily you could be detected.

But Im generally sceptical of MS, the winphone7 has been dumped, the surface has been crippled and is being sold off cheap ( the RT version), anyone remember Zune? MS have a recent history of screwing up hardware support or 'getting' the market. I think kinect is just another one and will be a waste of money from a gaming perspective. From a media/minority report view I think it will be very cool.
 
Scutch said:
Forza 5 is now apparently down to 200 cars and 14 tracks. Loads haven't made the final cut, which is staggering.

Tracks cut:

Suzuka
Sunset Peninsula
Fujimi Kaido
Infineon (Sonoma)
Maple Valley
Mugello
Road America
Nordscheilfe (expected as DLC)
Tsukuba

TBH, when next gen was announced, one of the main talking points was how Forza 5 should be able to accommodate 1000 cars and 200+ tracks. Just shows.
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I think the reason is another:

Microsoft today provided more details on the Forza Motorsport 5 Car Pass, the digital offering announced last week for Turn 10's Xbox One title that includes access to dozens of vehicles. Chief among the new details is information about pricing, with Microsoft revealing the pass will sell for $50 and feature multiple car packs.

Each Car Pack will include ten cars, and the first will arrive alongside Forza 5 at launch on November 22. Subsequent packs will be available the first week of every month, starting in January 2014 and running through March 2014.

The first expansion, the LaFerrari Car Pack, introduces ten vehicles, including the 950 horsepower LaFerrari that has yet to be released in the real world. The other nine cars will be announced on November 18, Microsoft said.

Individual cars will be available for purchase separately, but Microsoft said buying the $50 pass will allow players to save 18 percent compared to purchasing individually. For the first time in the history of the franchise, every vehicle in Forza 5 will be available in Forzavista mode. This will allow users to explore the inside and outside of every car, Microsoft said.

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$50 bucks for 60 cars. Imagine when Fifa begin selling games that way, $10 bucks per league or $2 bucks per team. We´re fucked in the near future!! :LOL:
 
Honome said:
I think the reason is another:



$50 bucks for 60 cars. Imagine when Fifa begin selling games that way, $10 bucks per league or $2 bucks per team. We´re fucked in the near future!! :LOL:
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If they didn't have FUT they probably would. All companies are going to do this anyway now.
 
jaygrim said:
If they didn't have FUT they probably would. All companies are going to do this anyway now.
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Well, if everyone have your mentality so yes all companies will do that in the future, however many people think different and the Xone E3 fiasco showed exactly that, people unite and complain about their abusive and ridiculous attenpt to change the industry in a way that we, the gamers, would be totally fucked.
 
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