Next Gen Consoles

Scorpio said:
I don't know how people are now willing to buy an Xbox One when Microsoft tried to screw them over multiple times and Sony saving the free market gaming future.

PS4 all the way in this household.
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Personally I'm not bothered Scorps as its the end product in a few months time that matters.

I've got SkyGo (mates details) on 360 so don't want to lose that (still got it on ipad though) but if all my kids mates are getting PS4's, we will get a PS4 so could be back playing FIFA with you soon old pal.

At some point I will get another console but I'm not buying one of each as I'm not buying the same games for two consoles again as that happened this gen until I got rid of PS3 to get a 2nd Xbox.

One question I have is can we all log on to different consoles and our game saves DLC move with us? If we download any games, can we access on two consoles like we can do on Xbox right now??
 
henrys hand said:
So Microsoft backed down then, right? Now all the threatened DRM-restrictions on xboxone-discs are history? Good! Then the game is open again between MS and Sony. I don't care for the emotions people tend to associate with companies: good bad, evil.

What a nonesense. Companies are out there to make money, and Microsoft saw that thanks to the huge uproar in the internet many people changed their preorders from xboxone to Ps4 and so they gave in, simple as that.

And I'm ok with it, the result is all that matters.

So the game is open again, but the xboxone is a bit more expensive so I guess PS4 will win out in the beginning, unless MS has much better games at startup.

I'm also sure that all the DRM-policies will return in a few years from now when both companies leave disc-based-games behind and go all-digital, so I guess it's the last round for those of us who actually want to possess games after buying them.
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Indeed, Microsoft wanted to make a truly brutal transition and they had to back down.It's bound to happen in the future sadly, let's enjoy videogames as we currently know them
 
PU6HY said:
Personally I'm not bothered Scorps as its the end product in a few months time that matters.

I've got SkyGo (mates details) on 360 so don't want to lose that (still got it on ipad though) but if all my kids mates are getting PS4's, we will get a PS4 so could be back playing FIFA with you soon old pal.
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Here's hoping all of your kids mates buy a PS4! :)
 
embraceuk1 said:
Negitive news from Sony camp now:


PS4 Online Multiplayer Unavailable for Countries Without a Store

“Unfortunately at this time gamers in countries which do not have a Store cannot access online multi-player features. However, we are considering every measure to offer PlayStation Store services to these territories as soon as possible. To clarify, the affected territories are: Bahrain, Lebanon, Romania, Oman, Slovakia, Malta, Cyprus and Iceland.”
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There is no PS Store in Iceland but I have been able to access the UK one on PS3 without any problems. They could still restrict this on PS4, or just the multiplayer, but it seems like a fairly dumb move, as it would just mean less money for them.
 
jaygrim said:
It all means shit anyway, now developers will just add there own DRM on either console anyway. Well if they wish too.
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They will, but at least years from now you'll still be able to play the games you've paid for. I still can't believe MS wanted it set up so that your game could only run years from now if their servers were active to authenticate the game. No server, as will eventually happen for XBOne, no game.
 
SCEE executive says "we need to have something to show at Gamescom, don't we?"
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"there's a lot coming. I'm sure you heard from [Shuhei Yoshida, president of Sony Worldwide Studios] that he has, just his studios, he has 30 games in development. 20 are going to ship within the first year of the console's life, and of those 12 are new IP. So there's a lot going on, it's just we need to keep stuff back."
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http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-keeping-ps4-announcements-for-gamescom-2013-6410616
 
Radiation said:
Respawn engineers explains The Cloud
http://www.respawn.com/news/lets-talk-about-the-xbox-live-cloud/
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Interesting and clear explanation, though nothing new other than they will use an already existant network of data centers (Azur). Cloud computing is an interesting idea, but with obvious problems in the implementation, cost being the main problem.

So, after reading that blog entry there are still many things that have no answer:

- I felt a treated like an idiot by the article at this point. "Having thousands of servers is expensive, but using Microsoft servers will be a lot cheaper".... Ein? How can Microsoft support this in an unlimited way? I mean, the costs are there and are extremely high anyway. Not for being called Microsoft they will come free, right? So, are we supposed to think Microsoft will operate on the loss with the cloud network to gain an advantage over competitors through exclusive developers? I don't see how they can handle more servers with more power with less cost. something is wrong in the equation. I bet someone needs to loose money in the process, be it Microsoft or... the user.

- What are they using the cloud computing for in their game exactly, other than handling the matches? Are they going to use cloud computing for physics? AI? They tease things but it would be nice to have practical examples. It will hardly be used in graphics, mostly in multiplayer games AI or stats mining (such as in Forza 5).

- When a company decides to stop supporting a game, you won't be able to play anymore, right? Even if it was a single player game. That means that cloud computing (at least for now) won't be used intensively as it could, because people are not ready for this kind of consumption of entertainment. Think of The last of us using cloud computing for the AI. The moment the server is down you can't play or you have a lesser experience. Who wants that now?

To add to this, I think this vision is very USA-centric. People all around the world doesn't have connections that good for online playing. Even now, I have terrible problems now and then to set up and play a multiplayer match, even with dedicated servers. Considering the implementation of cloud computing for other than handling multiplayer matches or stats tracking seems to me a bit risky by now, even if they like to full their mouth with marketing saying it will enhance your games.
 
Anybody know this?
If I get a PS4 and create an account, I can then have sub accounts that can use the PS+ sub to get online.
If I get a 2nd PS4 at some point in the future, can the sub accounts log in on a 2nd console and have access to the main accounts games/content and also go online?? How does it work now on a PS3?

That's one thing I'd like clarified.
 
Ps3 is free online so can't answer the point about ps4 and accounts sorry.

With ps3, ps+ and accounts though. If I download something on my ps+ account or buy anything, its avail for all my alt accounts on the same system. If I put my plus account on another console the same thing happens, all my downloads, season passes etc can be re downloaded and used.
 
With your Playstation account I believe you can have up to 2 systems and 1 Vita linked to the same account.

Not sure if this will change with the PS4, but I don't see why it would.
 
Radiation said:
Ps3 is free online so can't answer the point about ps4 and accounts sorry.

With ps3, ps+ and accounts though. If I download something on my ps+ account or buy anything, its avail for all my alt accounts on the same system. If I put my plus account on another console the same thing happens, all my downloads, season passes etc can be re downloaded and used.
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By your Alt accounts on the 2nd console too? Sounds as though that is the case.

Hope PS4 carry on with that as that will work good for us in our house.

Cheers (to all who replied)
 
DayZ dev would like to see a digital distribution model from Microsoft
Dean Hall has reiterated that he’s like to release DayZ standalone on Xbox Live through Xbox One, but he has yet to see a digital distribution model from the firm.

Speaking with Gamasutra, Hall said he would be happy to release the game on any indie-friendly console, but Xbox One’s digital model “doesn’t exist.”

“Where is the digital distribution model? That’s what I want to see,” he said. “It hasn’t been in any of the presentations. If we’re taking how XBLA works now and translating it again, that’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous. The most awesome place to put your indie titles is on XBLA. It’s just begging for indie titles. It just doesn’t make any sense to me. I want someone to explain to me why it’s like that.”

Hall said DayZ is “about digital distribution,” as there’s no point in doing retail. Plus, Bohemia Interactive is self-sufficient enough to self-publish – something the XBL service does not allow.

“We put it on there; people buy it, low price,” said Hall. “The consumer ends up getting hurt by just having a publisher for no apparent reason. It blows my mind. It just seems so obvious. I like the console. It’s a good console. DayZ is great when it has more players. The more players we can get in DayZ, the better experience we can get for everybody.

“From my perspective, Sony are delivering on that. And I’ve developed with them before, when I was at Sidhe Interactive. They have done a complete 180. And the first people to tell me that were the CCP guys: ‘Look, you need to think about this stuff.’”

While Hall said he’s a bit unsure over the requirement of a PlayStation Plus subscription being needed for online play, he’s taking a wait and see approach to how things are handled once PS4 is released.

“We have to see whether Sony delivers. The sun doesn’t shine out of their arse — I’m definitely not saying that. In terms of indie, there is a digital distribution strategy there. So let’s see one from Microsoft, and then I’ll be happy,” he said.

A console version is inevitable but the DayZ team won’t start on it until the PC standalone release is finished – and they have an idea of when that will be, they just aren’t saying.
 
Sony said the other day that they'll allow devs to put their games online without the need for PS+ so they could get around that pay wall obstruction there. Basically making it free to play online like on PS3.
 
Xbox One doesn't come with a headset because it includes Kinect, Microsoft explains

As Eurogamer reader snoox points out, the Xbox One uses a proprietary jack while the PS4 has a standard microphone jack.

The Xbox One headset, sold separately, is called the Xbox One Chat Headset. Microsoft is yet to announce a price for it.
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http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...because-it-includes-kinect-microsoft-explains


Not only does it not come with a headset, but it usues a proprietary jack to force you to buy one of theirs.

And there will be funny things going on by using Kinect as the mic. Someone screams "Xbox Off" and everyones Xbox will turn off because the Kinect is close to the speakers...
 
airjoca said:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...because-it-includes-kinect-microsoft-explains


Not only does it not come with a headset, but it usues a proprietary jack to force you to buy one of theirs.

And there will be funny things going on by using Kinect as the mic. Someone screams "Xbox Off" and everyones Xbox will turn off because the Kinect is close to the speakers...
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Oh my i could not imagine if that happens..

Missus : Let's have dinner
Xboner : 5 more mins..
Missus : XBOX OFF
Xboner : :CONFUSE:
 
It works both ways though. If an Xbox player wants to get some naughty time with the missus and she's not in the mood, she can just say "Xbox ON!" to get rid of him for a while.
 
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I wonder if it will be easy to accidentally press START on the new dualshock. Like when you are in a frantic match and the finger slide up from square to start (I'm assuming it's the start button up there).
 
The button above and slightly to the left is the options button. And share is opposite. Hopefully it's not going to be a pain accidentally catching it.
 
Gab_ said:
I wonder if it will be easy to accidentally press START on the new dualshock. Like when you are in a frantic match and the finger slide up from square to start (I'm assuming it's the start button up there).
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I read somewhere that it's actually a bit awkward to get your thumb/finger up there that high without taking your hand off the controller. So maybe not...
 
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