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RuneEdge
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While Arsenal are further behind us, let alone Chelsea, and are also HOPING for 4th place but you dont see anyone saying "RIP" or something in their thread.
If you want to make fun of the performances then fine, you want to talk about the point gap between us and Chelsea then go ahead. But if you dont have anything sensible or meaningful to say then dont bother with the useless "RIP" posts or anything similar to the crap that Stan says.
A perfect example why so many of you morons like to pick on Man Utd. We go on a little bad run and lose a game and now people make comments like that.juveboy said:
While Arsenal are further behind us, let alone Chelsea, and are also HOPING for 4th place but you dont see anyone saying "RIP" or something in their thread.
If you want to make fun of the performances then fine, you want to talk about the point gap between us and Chelsea then go ahead. But if you dont have anything sensible or meaningful to say then dont bother with the useless "RIP" posts or anything similar to the crap that Stan says.
bradley1886
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you are run by someone who utd fans hate, u haven't won the league for 3yrs(including this year), you ain't exactly playing phenomanal footie, you are out of europe, you drew to burton(WHO!!!), you lost your captain on a free transfer, lets be honest- sir alex is losing his golden touch.
personally i don't think it has looked this good for arsenal in a while (in terms of the future). maybe thats why he said RIP here and not in the arsenal thread.
you are run by someone who utd fans hate, u haven't won the league for 3yrs(including this year), you ain't exactly playing phenomanal footie, you are out of europe, you drew to burton(WHO!!!), you lost your captain on a free transfer, lets be honest- sir alex is losing his golden touch.
personally i don't think it has looked this good for arsenal in a while (in terms of the future). maybe thats why he said RIP here and not in the arsenal thread.
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Gutted.What a way to end the game to see Robbie Fowler nailing the final blow to the coffin? Welcome back Robbie.I come here to see true reactions of true fans but i still see media-style hyporiticism and hatred.Disappointing.True united fans,keep it up,we are still second,its only our third loss.It dosent look good for us as Pool are a point behind us with 2 games in hand.THATS ALL.Reading the papers in the morning after a United loss makes me puke blood everytime.How can twats know anything about football.
Gutted.What a way to end the game to see Robbie Fowler nailing the final blow to the coffin? Welcome back Robbie.I come here to see true reactions of true fans but i still see media-style hyporiticism and hatred.Disappointing.True united fans,keep it up,we are still second,its only our third loss.It dosent look good for us as Pool are a point behind us with 2 games in hand.THATS ALL.Reading the papers in the morning after a United loss makes me puke blood everytime.How can twats know anything about football.
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I can see second place slipping away just like last season. The players know the title is out of reach and now theyre starting to play like how we did towards the end of last season. And we all know where we ended up.
I can see second place slipping away just like last season. The players know the title is out of reach and now theyre starting to play like how we did towards the end of last season. And we all know where we ended up.
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I'm probably imagining this but why do United play with wingers? I don't think Rooney and Nistelrooy are the best headers of the ball and they seem to score most goals with low strikes in and around the box...
I think they should play more centrally.
Im not ever going to dicuss the defence, just the managers decision to play Silvestre.:roll:
I'm probably imagining this but why do United play with wingers? I don't think Rooney and Nistelrooy are the best headers of the ball and they seem to score most goals with low strikes in and around the box...
I think they should play more centrally.
Im not ever going to dicuss the defence, just the managers decision to play Silvestre.:roll:
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well as i said silvestre was played to help evra with the language.
We have tried playing more central before but it just hasnt worked.
well as i said silvestre was played to help evra with the language.
We have tried playing more central before but it just hasnt worked.
JayM
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No harm trying again. :p Not doing too well as it is now, I don't think it could be any worse.
No harm trying again. :p Not doing too well as it is now, I don't think it could be any worse.
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I think Utd play much better with wingers. Except that their wingers now tend to tuck in too much these days and as a consequence dont really stretch opposing defences much as they should do with their pace and skill.
I think Utd play much better with wingers. Except that their wingers now tend to tuck in too much these days and as a consequence dont really stretch opposing defences much as they should do with their pace and skill.
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I somewhat agree on thwingers comment. Ronaldo is most useful when he runs in field from the left and youe 'ocmpltely right about rooney (who has never scored a header for united) and v. nistlerooy aren't too fantastic in the air. Though ruud is the master of getting on low crosses. I think they play like that to try and decongest the box, as anyone who watches united games notice, there tends to be at least 4 defenders and usually 2 midfielders back behind the ball for the majoirty of the game, at least palying wingesr forces two of those out.
Things aren't that bad. We still have a good record, and while pool will probably catch us with their two games in hand, we've still a lot of season to go, and our players are young and should be improving. Scholes will hopefully get better soon, I think he's been missed, same with park. And here's to hoping vidic gets int hsquad soon, or brown gets back in, because silvestre has let us down so many times before. I feel a bit bad for carroll/howard, they made one mistake each and would miss the next 6 months, but it seems Mikael gets a whole bunch of get out of jail free cards.
I say we bring rossi in the first team more often so he can start to get used to the prem, he must be close to being ready...
I somewhat agree on thwingers comment. Ronaldo is most useful when he runs in field from the left and youe 'ocmpltely right about rooney (who has never scored a header for united) and v. nistlerooy aren't too fantastic in the air. Though ruud is the master of getting on low crosses. I think they play like that to try and decongest the box, as anyone who watches united games notice, there tends to be at least 4 defenders and usually 2 midfielders back behind the ball for the majoirty of the game, at least palying wingesr forces two of those out.
Things aren't that bad. We still have a good record, and while pool will probably catch us with their two games in hand, we've still a lot of season to go, and our players are young and should be improving. Scholes will hopefully get better soon, I think he's been missed, same with park. And here's to hoping vidic gets int hsquad soon, or brown gets back in, because silvestre has let us down so many times before. I feel a bit bad for carroll/howard, they made one mistake each and would miss the next 6 months, but it seems Mikael gets a whole bunch of get out of jail free cards.
I say we bring rossi in the first team more often so he can start to get used to the prem, he must be close to being ready...
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RIP!??? What the hell?
OK;
Manchester United are going through a transitional period at the moment - the doors at Old Trafford have been revolving, and new, young players have come into the squad, and older players have left. Rooney, Ronaldo, Evra, Ferdinand, Smith, Vidic snd Park are all young players, with the best yet to come. What I love about United is the fact that we don't spend a fortune on one 28 year old player (Real Madrid stylee) who will be starting to slow their career down. We have lost only THREE matches in the Premiership this season, and are in a better position than most would have predicted.
As for Arsenal and Liverpool - WHO CARES? I don't. Everytime I watch Sky Sports News pundit Phil Thompson makes me laugh - he still cannot explain why Liverpool haven't won the title for 16years, the fool. Arsenal were superb yesterday against a VERY young Middlesbrough side, but still, it is a superb result beating ANY team 7-0. Henry is so important to Arsenal it's untrue. They would really struggle without that man.
Our midfield is lacking - we need a Gravesen or a Ballack, with Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs/Park playing in front of him. Someone to boss the midfield, someone to control and orchestrate the game - that is what we have been missing.
RIP!??? What the hell?
OK;
Manchester United are going through a transitional period at the moment - the doors at Old Trafford have been revolving, and new, young players have come into the squad, and older players have left. Rooney, Ronaldo, Evra, Ferdinand, Smith, Vidic snd Park are all young players, with the best yet to come. What I love about United is the fact that we don't spend a fortune on one 28 year old player (Real Madrid stylee) who will be starting to slow their career down. We have lost only THREE matches in the Premiership this season, and are in a better position than most would have predicted.
As for Arsenal and Liverpool - WHO CARES? I don't. Everytime I watch Sky Sports News pundit Phil Thompson makes me laugh - he still cannot explain why Liverpool haven't won the title for 16years, the fool. Arsenal were superb yesterday against a VERY young Middlesbrough side, but still, it is a superb result beating ANY team 7-0. Henry is so important to Arsenal it's untrue. They would really struggle without that man.
Our midfield is lacking - we need a Gravesen or a Ballack, with Scholes, Ronaldo, Giggs/Park playing in front of him. Someone to boss the midfield, someone to control and orchestrate the game - that is what we have been missing.
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I've never really got that either.JayM said:
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i still think your struggling to score goals, ruud has got a load and rooney has got his fair share but other than that no one else scores. giggs and scholes aren't the players they used to be (same with pires and freddie i suppose, although they did both play well yesterday). i reckon some other players need to chip in more, maybe ronaldo, scholes ect.that would relieve a bit of pressure from the front two.
i still think your struggling to score goals, ruud has got a load and rooney has got his fair share but other than that no one else scores. giggs and scholes aren't the players they used to be (same with pires and freddie i suppose, although they did both play well yesterday). i reckon some other players need to chip in more, maybe ronaldo, scholes ect.that would relieve a bit of pressure from the front two.
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were second in the league in goals, behind chelsea and 7 ahead of you.... Im not sure why wes brown was not in the lineup, and sorry son but scholes is still one of the best in englandbradley1886 said:
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Quite clearly the midfield is the problem. Theres no-one helping the defence out and neither helping the attack when Scholes isnt present.
We desperatley need a Gravesen type of player and quick.
Quite clearly the midfield is the problem. Theres no-one helping the defence out and neither helping the attack when Scholes isnt present.
We desperatley need a Gravesen type of player and quick.
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i like scholes and reckon he is one of the best midfielders england have ever had. but how many goals has he scored this season? he isn't the player he used to be. and i know we haven't been in top form this season and rely heavily on henry and to an extent van persie, but this is the man utd thread so i didn't bother mentioning us.
i like scholes and reckon he is one of the best midfielders england have ever had. but how many goals has he scored this season? he isn't the player he used to be. and i know we haven't been in top form this season and rely heavily on henry and to an extent van persie, but this is the man utd thread so i didn't bother mentioning us.
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Smith needs to take Fletcher's role in the team. Smith is perfect as the holding midfielder and also as a right sided midfielder. Both of those positions are currently being taken for backup my Fletcher. But in both of those positions, Smith is clearly the better player.
That needs to be taken care of first of all.
Secondly, Brown needs to be Rio's partner in the first team rather than it being Silvestre who f*cks up all the time. Silvestre was only good when he played in left back and God knows we dont need any more players there (Evra, Heinze, O'Shea, Richardson, Fortune). We might as well get rid of him now and cash in before his value drops even further. (wonder if Liverpool still want him, lol).
Another problem is the one we all go on about, The Defensive Midfielder.
People look at our past players and the standards of our team and think we'll need a major player to fill the role. The truth is that we only need a half decent player that atleast has the discipline to sit back there in front of the defence and not wonder off into attack because their natural instincts are forcing them forward :roll:. The funny thing is that I was playing PES5 and I noticed how well defenders make good DMs. And was also the case when (I think) Ledley King played there for England in a friendly too. And why is that? Its because real defenders know how to stick to their ground and act as a wall. Hence the reason why Keano also covered for some of our defenders at times.
All we really need is someone that can do that for us. It doesnt have to be a Ballack or a Vieira, it just needs to be a real defender (as in the type of player, not the position).
And the last problem we have is the manager. Any decent manager or even a fan can tell you something as simple as what I explained above but I dont think our manager can. With our manager we've got too many barriers and limits stop us from reaching our potential. For example, he seems to like certain players so much that he cant take them out of the team even if he has a better replacement. He also relies too much on certain individuals to get the job done for him. A perfect example of this was when he rushed Ruud back from injury to face Milan in the CL last year. With a new manager we wont have biased decisions made and when theres a problem, that person would probably do something about it rather than blaming the linesman or trying to find the plus points from a 4-0 defeat.
If we had sorted those problems out, I dont think we'd be in the position we are today.
Smith needs to take Fletcher's role in the team. Smith is perfect as the holding midfielder and also as a right sided midfielder. Both of those positions are currently being taken for backup my Fletcher. But in both of those positions, Smith is clearly the better player.
That needs to be taken care of first of all.
Secondly, Brown needs to be Rio's partner in the first team rather than it being Silvestre who f*cks up all the time. Silvestre was only good when he played in left back and God knows we dont need any more players there (Evra, Heinze, O'Shea, Richardson, Fortune). We might as well get rid of him now and cash in before his value drops even further. (wonder if Liverpool still want him, lol).
Another problem is the one we all go on about, The Defensive Midfielder.
People look at our past players and the standards of our team and think we'll need a major player to fill the role. The truth is that we only need a half decent player that atleast has the discipline to sit back there in front of the defence and not wonder off into attack because their natural instincts are forcing them forward :roll:. The funny thing is that I was playing PES5 and I noticed how well defenders make good DMs. And was also the case when (I think) Ledley King played there for England in a friendly too. And why is that? Its because real defenders know how to stick to their ground and act as a wall. Hence the reason why Keano also covered for some of our defenders at times.
All we really need is someone that can do that for us. It doesnt have to be a Ballack or a Vieira, it just needs to be a real defender (as in the type of player, not the position).
And the last problem we have is the manager. Any decent manager or even a fan can tell you something as simple as what I explained above but I dont think our manager can. With our manager we've got too many barriers and limits stop us from reaching our potential. For example, he seems to like certain players so much that he cant take them out of the team even if he has a better replacement. He also relies too much on certain individuals to get the job done for him. A perfect example of this was when he rushed Ruud back from injury to face Milan in the CL last year. With a new manager we wont have biased decisions made and when theres a problem, that person would probably do something about it rather than blaming the linesman or trying to find the plus points from a 4-0 defeat.
If we had sorted those problems out, I dont think we'd be in the position we are today.
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I agree with Bradley on the fact that Giggs and Scholes are not the players they used to be, but I think our current strongest eleven is:
------------------- Van Der Sar -----------------
Neville ------ Ferdinand ------ Silvestre ------ Evra
--------------------- Smith ---------------------
Park --------------- Scholes ------------- Ronaldo
------------Rooney-------------------------------
-------------------------- V. Nistlerooy ----------
Smith has done a great job in the holding role (O'Shea is a clumsy oaf in that position), Park has been bullish and quick on the wing, and Rooney has been magical playing in the hole. Scholes has also had some superb games attacking from midfield, and that is what he does best. We missed him yesterday. I think Giggs has lost a few yards in pace, so I would play Ronaldo first. The defence and striker pick themselves I think, although some would argue that Brown/O'Shea would be better as a centre-back instead of Silvestre.
At the beginning of next season, we could expect a starting line-up of:
------------------------ Van Der Sar -----------------------
Neville ---------- Ferdinand ---------- Heinze ----------- Evra
-------------------------- Gravesen ------------------------
Park --------------------- Scholes ------------------ Ronaldo
-------------------- Rooney --------------------------------
------------------------------- V. Nistlerooy ----------------
I agree with Bradley on the fact that Giggs and Scholes are not the players they used to be, but I think our current strongest eleven is:
------------------- Van Der Sar -----------------
Neville ------ Ferdinand ------ Silvestre ------ Evra
--------------------- Smith ---------------------
Park --------------- Scholes ------------- Ronaldo
------------Rooney-------------------------------
-------------------------- V. Nistlerooy ----------
Smith has done a great job in the holding role (O'Shea is a clumsy oaf in that position), Park has been bullish and quick on the wing, and Rooney has been magical playing in the hole. Scholes has also had some superb games attacking from midfield, and that is what he does best. We missed him yesterday. I think Giggs has lost a few yards in pace, so I would play Ronaldo first. The defence and striker pick themselves I think, although some would argue that Brown/O'Shea would be better as a centre-back instead of Silvestre.
At the beginning of next season, we could expect a starting line-up of:
------------------------ Van Der Sar -----------------------
Neville ---------- Ferdinand ---------- Heinze ----------- Evra
-------------------------- Gravesen ------------------------
Park --------------------- Scholes ------------------ Ronaldo
-------------------- Rooney --------------------------------
------------------------------- V. Nistlerooy ----------------
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I think Smith is much better when he plays ALONGSIDE another DM. IMO, when Smith was playing along with Keane, we were far too tough to break down. And Smith has shown he can still score in front of goal so I think people need to start thinking of him as a simple midfielder and not a defensive midfielder.
First of all, I'd switch Ronaldo and Park around (I know, I'm picky
. Heinze IMO isnt ready for CB yet cuz he communicating would be harder. We need to have some kind of interpreter in the middle which is why Silvestre is there. And I've noticed that our worst games are usually the ones where Rooney doesnt get much of the ball so maybe having Rooney in Scholes' position and trying it him out behind Ruud and Saha might be something thats worth a shot.
I think Smith is much better when he plays ALONGSIDE another DM. IMO, when Smith was playing along with Keane, we were far too tough to break down. And Smith has shown he can still score in front of goal so I think people need to start thinking of him as a simple midfielder and not a defensive midfielder.
ninjabreakz said:
First of all, I'd switch Ronaldo and Park around (I know, I'm picky
. Heinze IMO isnt ready for CB yet cuz he communicating would be harder. We need to have some kind of interpreter in the middle which is why Silvestre is there. And I've noticed that our worst games are usually the ones where Rooney doesnt get much of the ball so maybe having Rooney in Scholes' position and trying it him out behind Ruud and Saha might be something thats worth a shot.
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Smith playing along with Smith?
Smith playing along with Smith?
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Thanx for pointing that out.Milanista said:
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I'm sure Heinze could speak the basics by now,I read his interview on our offical mag a couple of months ago and he did mentioned his english is improving.Heinze alongside Rio would be perfect.Silvestre shouldnt have been in the team against City,Sir Alex mentioned that Silvestre was chosen so he could guide Evra...but i didnt want to understand that cause Evra could speak English!
Having Rooney playing in Scholes position would be a big gamble.I just cant see it happening if we were to stick with 4-4-2. It might work with 4-3-3.Dropping back & defending isnt exactly Rooney's strength.That would leave our DMF seriously lacking in cover if Rooney failed to track back in a counter attack.
We can forget about Gravesen now.David Gill had just mentioned that he is not interested in signing Gravesen.He did however mentioned to big summer signings.I cant exactly see who those two signings are but one of them has got to be Mahamodou Diarra of Lyon.
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I'm sure Heinze could speak the basics by now,I read his interview on our offical mag a couple of months ago and he did mentioned his english is improving.Heinze alongside Rio would be perfect.Silvestre shouldnt have been in the team against City,Sir Alex mentioned that Silvestre was chosen so he could guide Evra...but i didnt want to understand that cause Evra could speak English!
Having Rooney playing in Scholes position would be a big gamble.I just cant see it happening if we were to stick with 4-4-2. It might work with 4-3-3.Dropping back & defending isnt exactly Rooney's strength.That would leave our DMF seriously lacking in cover if Rooney failed to track back in a counter attack.
We can forget about Gravesen now.David Gill had just mentioned that he is not interested in signing Gravesen.He did however mentioned to big summer signings.I cant exactly see who those two signings are but one of them has got to be Mahamodou Diarra of Lyon.
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Does anyone know whats happened to VanizzleFashizzal? Haven't seen him here for ages.
Does anyone know whats happened to VanizzleFashizzal? Haven't seen him here for ages.
Milanista
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lmao
lmao
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I thought he has been a bit quiet :lol:
I thought he has been a bit quiet :lol:
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If thats true then maybe you're right. But communication is VERY important between two centre backs. If someone like Henry is running at you, you have to quickly make decisions like who goes in the the tackle and who would stay back. And if one player is out of position, you need to sometimes let them know whether you are there to cover or will the player need to track back, etc, etc. So it depends on how good his english is. If there are still areas he needs to improve on, I dont think its worth taking the risk of playing Heinze there. But he's injured right now so he has enought time to learn the languagephrase said:
.I wouldnt say dropping back isnt one of his strengths, its rather something he chooses not to do. If he was told to do so, he could cuz I've seen him defend many times in the past and he was brilliant. How many times can you remember Rooney defending in his own half in the dying moments of the game where he made the all important tackle and started a counter attack? I can think if many matched where he has done that. Its one of reasons why people think he's such a good player.phrase said: