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Manchester United Thread

Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Graveson to join in Jan?

10 points behind chelsea this is a joke. 3 draws and a lost from our last 4games and we are suppose to be serious contenders for CL and EPL! Why the hell didnt rooney start today?( I thought fergie had learnt his lesson last season against norwich resting players just coz its lower team) and why do we play this 4-3-3/4-5-1 shit when it clearly dont work in the premiership.
 
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Revan said:
bah, what is wrong with fergie? Man Utd is going down. Time to get a new coach.
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I wouldnt want a new coach, fergie still has the desire to win titles here, its just he is stubborn. I think now is the time to do whats best for United and for him to admit to himself atleast that this new style he has tried to adopt just isnt Manchester Utd and go back to the the basics.
 
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Jeez, this guy (Ferguson) has given Utd more trophies in his time than they could ever have dreamed of before his arrival. Those 25 years of waiting for the League title......and now some of you want to change the coach? Memories are short......Man Utd will be alright, there's only 6 games or so gone.
 
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No one deserves to live off their past glory.

We were pretty bad. I'm not even gonna try to justify the last 3 results.
 
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I watched all the match and think we played well first half and created chances and pretty unlucky to concede first goal. You can see the quality in our players but the system doesnt suit them and we lack consistent direct penetration with the shit 4-5-1 we played today ending up with predictable attacks. Funny thing is blackburn were suppose to be the ones playing negative but today they played 4-4-2 and won! Perhaps Fergie can learn a thing or two from that.
 
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Theres no way id want Fergie to ever leave but he really has to get back to his old mentality.
At one time teams feared us that much at Old Trafford that they wouldnt even bother thinking about a win. Im more confident about our away games than home games now.
 
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Our impending problem is that,teams now knows very well how we play.Did you guys see how Rovers were packing in the defence whenever we got the ball? All they have to do is to cram up their own box and resort us to long distance tries.We got a goal through Rooney's shot and that too came off a goalkeeping error and Ruud's alertness.If you guys didnt noticed,we switched to 4-4-2 after an hour and we did looked better and got the equalizer.Wannabe El Capitan Scholes blatantly gave Blackburn the 3 points but if Keano was in the team today,Scholes wouldnt even dare to play the ball like that.Lets look at the plus points shall we? Smith played very well,his positioning and reading of the game is improving,Park should have got his first 90 minutes game,Giggs shouldnt have come on,he is playing like a liability player now,Ruud got another goal and Richy is getting better in Heinze's absence.We lost,hell yeah we did but I'd rather loose points now and pick it up from today and improve for the season.To those who said that we should blatantly gave the crown to chelsea even after 6 games should go F**K Themselves.We were wayyy behind arsenal at the start of the season when last won the title.Do the math you pansies.
 
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The point is that fergie doesn't look like he'll change.
Instead of creating a formation that adapts better to the players, he decides to force the players to adapt to the formation he wants. I find stupid playing with a 4-5-1 when he has Van Nistelrooy and Rooney. Those two upfront do some serious damage. and Ronaldo right behind them, or even ronaldo being 2nd striker and rooney behind them, since Ronaldo, at the Portugal tea,m he goes to the box alot of times.
 
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Seriously, coz of the shaky defence in the back, united tend to lose precious points...... last time is was always a joy to watch united live on tv.... now it seems to be boring.... The problem with fergie is that , he tends to look down on weaker teams and put a weaken side against them.

What the hell is he thinking anyway..? 4-3-3 is alrite to me... if u got rooney and ronaldo plainy up front supporting rudy, tings might have been better, of course with park playing left mid, smith center mid and fletcher playing right mid, if would probably come off better and we might have won against blackburn.

If man u needs to win , i tink they should buy more quality players in, like Cichino, Vincent Kompany and even Ballack, i tink ballack is coming to united rite?

It could be better if saha goes away and we do brought in Fernando Torres.. it would be marvellous.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Graveson to join in Jan?

FUCK that 4-3-3 shit it dont work. Last season look what happend. Indeed the idea of rooney and ronaldo supporting rvn on paper sounds nice, but it simply dont work for the players especially scholes, he has to play so deep now, the guy isnt a holding midfielder dammit. Even try 3-5-2 im sure that would work better than this shit 4-5-1 bollox.

I swear its not hard to realise, its so damn frustrating now,SAF is just being stubborn just try something new or resort back to 4-4-2. If we make no progress from last season keeping with the shit formation i hope Fergie gets the sack cox if he is not prepared to whats best for the team then he doesnt deserve to stay, im sorry as much as i like the guy, we cant live on past glory.
 
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Revan said:
Instead of creating a formation that adapts better to the players, he decides to force the players to adapt to the formation he wants.
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Thats a very good point.

He should play to our strengths rather than forcing us to play ways which don't suit our players.

The blackburn game was better than the last few since we actually created chances, but we just couldn't put the ball in the net except for a mistake by their keeper.

I still think we should play 4-4-2 which would much better suit our forward play, but then our midfield would probably struggle more, but we have to do something to start scoring goals again.
 
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David Beckham said:
If man u needs to win , i tink they should buy more quality players in, like Cichino, Vincent Kompany and even Ballack, i tink ballack is coming to united rite?

It could be better if saha goes away and we do brought in Fernando Torres.. it would be marvellous.
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Ballack did not join United. Cicinho is heading to Real Madrid in January, and Kompany is held by Anderlecht. And I dont think its that easy to just sign Torres and just sell Saha.
 
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From what i know, Ballack haven't put a pen on the paper right on the new deal, maybe he's thinking whether he should join any other clubs, and man united have links wif him, it should be no problem if he goes to man u.

As for vincent kompany , read tat chelsea is going to sign him, holy s***, can't they just stop buying players? Their players are gettign frustrated staying on the bench.

AS for cichino, thought he was going to man u in the first place but real snatch it from them, wat a waste, it would be a gd idea if he replace the ageing gary neville, well i tink Anton Ferdinand is quite gd, how bout signing him?

I hope man u get more extra funds for trasnfer or they can't bring in quality players.
 
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Theres nothing wrong with the quality of players we have. We have some of the best but its how they are being used which is the problem.
 
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lolz.. as mentioned in the earlier post... i shoould have added more quality players... i noe man u have quality players but they do need more quality players to be better in the league and cpl etc...

Let's hopw ballack signs and maybe try to find another defender to cover up for gary neville as he is ageing.......

Man u rox all the way, Alex Fergie.. althought i like him but if he keeps on losing and not makins best use of his players .... i tink his job is not secure.....
 
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I agree with ya. We need cover in defence as well as that important midfielder.

I read an article by Terry Venables in the News of the World saying that the only way Man Utd can stop Chelsea is if they adopt Brazil's style of play. Which is 3-5-2. We have the perfect bunch of players to pull it off. (more on that later)
 
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RuneEdge said:
I agree with ya. We need cover in defence as well as that important midfielder.

I read an article by Terry Venables in the News of the World saying that the only way Man Utd can stop Chelsea is if they adopt Brazil's style of play. Which is 3-5-2. We have the perfect bunch of players to pull it off. (more on that later)
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First things first ditch 4-5-1 its SHIT!
 
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I got tired of pointing out that ManUtd center of the midfield was the problem and that fergie should have brought someone. They should have got Ballack, one hell of a difference it would make.

About changing to a 3-5-2, too late for that now, cause changing the way the team defends so radically will make the players feel confused. The change to such formation should have been done in the pre-season. I'm not saying it's impossible to make that transition successfully, but i've seen it to many times, and it's a hard thing to do, especially in teams that never played in that formation. At least I don't remember Man Utd playing that way in the last few years.
 
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True but if you think of it this way, how bad can it get now? We're already 10 points behind.

And I dont think you're the only one pointing out the center of midfield. We've been doing it for well over a year now.
 
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Well there's still tiem to change isn't it... maybe just try the formation 3-5-2 in a match to see how it works out... no point sticking to some shit formation tat u can't scored and have problems.....

Maybe it has do do wif luck , tat man u are without gary , gabriel and roy keane... they were perfectly alrite few wks and mths ago.. now.. the defence is damn shaky.... y ask Kieren Richardson to play left back? he is a midfielder not some defender... opponents will try to slice lieren out at left back for opportunities.. as for right back.. tink it's alrite only.. o shea has the experience... but not tat stable too....
 
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I think the quality of the player (especially the young player) is not as good as Beckham, Cantona.. etc era. I think they need to buy more quality young player if they still want to back on track. Man utd is my second fav. team of EPL.
 
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Actually the quality players i had in my mind is Sergio Ramos, Vincent Kompany and Anton Ferdinand but too bad, ramos is in madrid and anderlecht wouldn't let him go and ferdinand is in west ham....

Damn man...........
 
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Lets just wait till the January transfer window,which looks to be a long way from here,now.I dont agree on a radical change to 3-5-2 that Rune is talkin about.Its gonna be difficult for the players to adapt,I mean,they havent even adapt to the 4-3-3 formation.I could remember Rooney even saying that it was quite tiring playing with the 4-3-3.I willing to listen to Rune thou..come on dude,update us with your ideology.
 
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Benfica winger Simao Sabrosa is confident Manchester United's blundering defenders will give his side a chance to win tomorrow's Champions League clash at Old Trafford.

The 25-year-old Portugal international told the Daily Star: 'The name of Manchester United always makes an impression but they have shown that there is nothing to be scared of by playing them.

'The great advantage we have is the mistakes being made by their defenders. Manchester United are not at their best at the moment and it is a great opportunity for Benfica. Old Trafford holds no fears.

'Edwin van der Sar is a better goalkeeper than they had before but they make so many errors in defence it does not matter.'

United will be without suspended Wayne Rooney and injured trio Roy Keane, Gary Neville and Gabriel Heinze.

'They are now under pressure and we know that,' said Sabrosa. 'United without Keane, Heinze, Neville and Rooney is one that can be beaten.'

Damn hope united can win men..... have faith in them.......
 
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Well, being a portuguese I hope benfica can win or at least get an away draw wich is always a good result.
 
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OK. Heres the formation I'm talking about. Its pretty straight forward where everyone plays. Before people start asking why some of those players are playing in those positions, let me explain.
First of all, we have three at the back. Its obvious that Heinze should be playing in a more central role. He plays in this exact position for his country and does well for them so theres no reason why he cant for his club. The defender in the middle is Silvestre. I couldnt put him on the right cuz he's left footed. Couldnt play him on the left cuz Heinze was there. And Silvestre is taller than Heinze so playing him in the center is the best idea. Rio plays on the right on the three. Firstly because he's right footed and secondly because Heinze can only communicate with Silvestre since they both know French. Having Rio in the middle would mean that he's literally getting in the way of the communication. So thats the back three.
Now on to the midfield, Keane and Scholes play in the exact same position they've been playing in 4-4-2. If it aint broke, why fix it, right? The only problem with the DMF position is that it needs cover. The only possible signings I can think of is Gravesen. Just has to be someone that can tidy the place up at the back. Scholes would play in the centre but without having to make his runs into the box as often (explained later). So he's more or less playing in the Makalele/Pirlo position. Which is basically what he's been doing ever since Rooney arrived. So nothing new here. Possible replacements would be Smith, Fletcher, Miller, etc. Basically a CMF that we dont have to expect so much from. Essien would have fitted in here perfectly.
Next, the wingers. Notice that the wingers are wing backs and not actually the normal attacking wingers that most teams play. I'm talking Cafu and Roberto Carlos style wing backs. The ones that attack and defend at the same time. Gary plays on the right cuz he's tailor made for this. The only other existing player that would play here is Ji-Sung Park. Park is a good tackler and a good attacker. Only problem with him is that he likes to do short passes rather than crosses. But that different option is good for the team sinc we have other crossers in the team. If we had to go elsewhere, Cicinho would have been perfect. On the left we have Giggs. Giggs has shown many times that he could defend. For cover, we have Richarson and Fortune. Dont really see a reason why we would want anyone else for this position. The last midfield position is OMF which is just behind the two strikers. This is definately Cristiano Ronaldo's best position. He has proved that with Portugal and he recently said on MUTV that its the postion where he would ideally like to play for both Club and Country cuz it accommodates his skills. When he's not playing, Park could also play here.
I dont really have to explain what the strikers do. Except Rooney who can now play with his back towards the goal a bit more often cuz Ronaldo is doing most of the work he used to do. And whenever players are tired, theres always Saha and Solskjaer that you can bring on.

This has been well thought out and I'm pretty sure it would work. Sure it would take time to adjust to it but once it clicks, it will destroy teams. The thinking behind this is that at first it might look like a risk to swap a defensive player for an attacking player but if you think about it, with the extra attacking force, we might not need to defend. Its the mentality that Brazil use. Offence is the best defence.

Might sound like a load of BS to most but interesting to others.
Thats enough from me. Good night.
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Graveson to join in Jan?

Maybe we should put your name forward as the new assistant Rune!
 
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Graveson to join in Jan?

I'd make Fergie MY assistant. lol
 
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