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jamie_mack said:
No way would he!;) but then again so would Henry, Duff, lampard, gerard!:roll: and as for Fletcher in for Scholes, do you want to kiss the title goodbye now or later!
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duff and lampard cant play forward that effectivley.. i cant see gerrard up there either, henry yes, yeah so henry and rooney can play most of the postitons on the pitch, dont know about those other guys
 
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jamie_mack said:
No way would he!;) but then again so would Henry, Duff, lampard, gerard!:roll: and as for Fletcher in for Scholes, do you want to kiss the title goodbye now or later!
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Come on dont be silly now! Flecther being in the team wouldnt cost Utd the title. It sure didnt cost Utd defeat at Everton with him playing on the right covering ronaldo. In fact im sure fletcher was the one who started the move for the first goal in that game...hmm!

As i said fletcher can do a very good job for Utd in midfield and i think the guy has potential. I dont rate him as good as scholes but if he were to replace scholes if he were injured im sure he would be good cover and its not like he would be the only player in the team player and cost us victory, he would still be surrounded by Ronaldo,rooney giggs etc. Its not like Utd rely on scholes anyway.
 
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Alucard said:
Come on dont be silly now! Flecther being in the team wouldnt cost Utd the title. It sure didnt cost Utd defeat at Everton with him playing on the right covering ronaldo.
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Mate im not being silly look at it like this, Chelsea lost one game last year Arsenal none the year before, Fletcher isnt half the player Scholes is and never will be! its just logic! By the way did you even watch the game Fletcher in for Ronaldo!, i wonder what Park was doing then...!
 
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jamie_mack said:
Mate im not being silly look at it like this, Chelsea lost one game last year Arsenal none the year before, Fletcher isnt half the player Scholes is and never will be! its just logic! By the way did you even watch the game Fletcher in for Ronaldo!, i wonder what Park was doing then...!
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Ok so what are you saying here? Whats arsenal going unbeaten and chelsea only losing one game last season got to do with how good fletcher is compared to scholes? Its your opinion alone that thinks fletcher isnt half the player scholes is and never will be'' Im sure SAF wouldnt waste his time playing fletcher(espcially against a good team like everton who we lost to last season) if he didnt think he could get any better and didnt think he was a good player.

I dont get your last comment about ''i wonder what park was doing then''? You make no point atall. Seems to me your going off the subject coz you run out of things to say to argue your nonexistent point.
 
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What im saying is.... Fletcher is not as good a player as Scholes therefore your side will be weaker and you will have less chance of winning the league as for SAF he wasted his time playing Djemba!? And for you not to get my Park comment deeply concerns me! Park and Rooney were on the wings not fletcher on Saturday hense the question did you even watch the game...
 
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csaunders said:
duff and lampard cant play forward that effectivley.. i cant see gerrard up there either, henry yes, yeah so henry and rooney can play most of the postitons on the pitch, dont know about those other guys
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Im just exageraring your earlier point any world class player would walk into the city team!:)
 
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jamie_mack said:
What im saying is.... Fletcher is not as good a player as Scholes therefore your side will be weaker and you will have less chance of winning the league as for SAF he wasted his time playing Djemba!? And for you not to get my Park comment deeply concerns me! Park and Rooney were on the wings not fletcher on Saturday hense the question did you even watch the game...
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The question is how long did djemba djemba play in the first team before alex ferguson realised he wasnt United material and dropped him?! i can tell you it wasnt long before he was dropped to resevers and not seen again until he got sold. Its pretty dumb to ask me if alex wasted his time playing djemba djemba. H ebought the guy to play him and then he found out the guy wasnt good enough. The same cant be said about fletcher, he has been in the first team for a long time i think like 2 seasons or more not dure and even fergie at times has heaped praise on him.

Well obviously it was my mistake in thinking fletcher was playing on the right, but he did come in for ronaldo or maybe it was giggs, it dont really matter coz that wasnt my point atall your just making a big deal out. My point is that he started the move for Utds first goal and had a solid game against everton. I find it funny you say fletcher isnt as good as scholes so therefore we will have less chance winining the league. haha thats funny. Fletcher has different qualites to scholes and can provide united with a different option. Comparing fletcher to scholes is stupid, of course the guy isnt better than scholes but it dont mean he is crap and cant replace the guy if he gets injured. its like saying ''oh reyes isnt as good as henry so your chances of wining the league are slim and hes not half the player henry is'' or ''j.cole isnt as good as robben so your chacne of wining the league chelsea is slim'' sounds pretty dumb doesnt it.
 
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No because if Henry was out and Arsenal were left with Reyes upfront they wouldnt win the title! if anything youve just backed up my point! If you want i can find plenty or articles where SAF heaps praise on Djemba Djemba, Its called being a manager and motivating your players!
 
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jamie_mack said:
No because if Henry was out and Arsenal were left with Reyes upfront they wouldnt win the title! if anything youve just backed up my point! If you want i can find plenty or articles where SAF heaps praise on Djemba Djemba, Its called being a manager and motivating your players!
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Is that really and you know that for a fact do you that without henry they wouldnt win the title so all the other players are useless are they? how silly and ignorant to think this, how can one player determine the whole teams outcome for the whole season?!

Also please do show or provide links to these articles praising djemba djemba i would love to see them because i must of been on holiday when Fergie praised him.
 
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Alucard said:
Is that really and you know that for a fact do you that without henry they wouldnt win the title so all the other players are useless are they? how silly and ignorant to think this, how can one player determine the whole teams outcome for the whole season?!

Also please do show or provide links to these articles praising djemba djemba i would love to see them because i must of been on holiday when Fergie praised him.
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alucard, you must be joking right? there is no way arsenal could have made up henrys goals, with the likes of reyes, bergkamp and the like,
henry makes those players BETTER! he is that good... so yes i think you can assume if henry was not playing the year aresenal went undefeated, they would have not gone undefeated....
 
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csaunders,Is that the american defender on your avatar,that we are supposedly interested in? Whats his name and could you kindly give us the 411 on this fella?
 
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csaunders said:
alucard, you must be joking right? there is no way arsenal could have made up henrys goals, with the likes of reyes, bergkamp and the like,
henry makes those players BETTER! he is that good... so yes i think you can assume if henry was not playing the year aresenal went undefeated, they would have not gone undefeated....
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No im not joking. I know henry is world class and can win arsenal games but he cant save them from having a overall good or bad season, that comes down to the whole team and he certaintly cant make players 'BETTER' he is not a coach. How many times were arsenal in trouble that season and henry had to save them? Not alot they were getting goals from all areas of the pitch from berkamp,pires,ljungberg and vieira. The only thing i would say is a player can influence a game. Im sure henry didnt score and defend goals in all the matches he played in that season. Besides that, things went their way for arsenal that season and the whole team made sure they went unbeaten, sure henry helped and had great season and influenced matches. But anyone knows you cant rely on one player to get you through whole season accept you and jamiemack here.

This is getting stupid again coz this wasnt my point. I already said Utd dont rely on scholes and that if fletcher came in for him then fletcher would be able to do good job therefore being suffecient cover for that position. But i am still excited about seeing those articles with SAF praising djemba djembas performances lol.
 
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jamie_mack said:
.....and as for Fletcher in for Scholes, do you want to kiss the title goodbye now or later!
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Jamie_mack, ever the voice of common sense and reason! :applause:
 
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Alucard said:
No im not joking. I know henry is world class and can win arsenal games but he cant save them from having a overall good or bad season, that comes down to the whole team and he certaintly cant make players 'BETTER' he is not a coach. How many times were arsenal in trouble that season and henry had to save them? Not alot they were getting goals from all areas of the pitch from berkamp,pires,ljungberg and vieira. The only thing i would say is a player can influence a game. Im sure henry didnt score and defend goals in all the matches he played in that season. Besides that, things went their way for arsenal that season and the whole team made sure they went unbeaten, sure henry helped and had great season and influenced matches. But anyone knows you cant rely on one player to get you through whole season accept you and jamiemack here.

This is getting stupid again coz this wasnt my point. I already said Utd dont rely on scholes and that if fletcher came in for him then fletcher would be able to do good job therefore being suffecient cover for that position. But i am still excited about seeing those articles with SAF praising djemba djembas performances lol.
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oh man your way off, sorry you just dont understand, Henry probably got 20 something assists, this is how he makes players better, do you know how many sitters pires scored cause of a great feed from henry, henry creates more space forces teams to double team him, leaving a man open, he certainly makes everyone around him a better player.... no doubt it my mind about that, all the great players do
 
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phrase said:
csaunders,Is that the american defender on your avatar,that we are supposedly interested in? Whats his name and could you kindly give us the 411 on this fella?
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i posted about him earlier, he plays for standard leige in belgium, he is HUGE, 6-2 205, He is awesome in the air, something United needs bad... quite frankly our defenders suck in the air
 
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Bellion is going on loan to West Ham.
 
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Source: Skysports
Brazilian midfielder Kleberson recently ended a disappointing two-year spell at Old Trafford by joining Besiktas.

Kleberson is hoping his move to the Turkish club will lead to a return to form - the like of which Diego Forlan experienced when he left United for Villarreal 12 months ago.

But though Kleberson praised Ferguson's coaching ability, he feels the Red Devils boss never gave him a fair crack of the whip.

The 26-year-old accepts he struggled with injuries during his time in The Premiership but believes Ferguson never had any confidence in his talent.

"I hope the same happens to me that happened to Forlan," Kleberson is quoted in the Daily Star. "They said he was worthless in The Premiership but he has been a big success since.

"My aim is to do the same and be a success in Turkey, to show that I'm no failure.

"Ferguson is a good coach but he never showed any confidence in me after the first few months.

"He gave more opportunities to other players but not me and that kind of thing destroys the confidence of any player.

"The problem was two-fold. I had injury problems and I signed for United when they were not enjoying one of their best periods.

"I went there with so many high hopes but I am leaving very down. I arrived as a Brazilian international but I have even lost that."



I agree with him in that Fergie probably didn't show much confidence in him or Folan and that it had a huge negative effect on him, but a club like United probably can't afford to wait on a player when Chelsea and Arsenal are losing very few matches. Still, I think one of Fergies biggest mistakes in the season that Arsenal went unbeaten was not consistenly playing Forlan when he had just started to show his scoring streak. I see the purchase of Saha was the straw that broke the back of Deigo's confidence.
 
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Seems like loads of players leaving United this summer....
 
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crayon said:
Seems like loads of players leaving United this summer....
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thats good news. now we have more space for new signings.
 
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Carvalho upset with axe

ChelseaRicardo Carvalho admits he is puzzled as to why Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho preferred William Gallas in central defence for the Premiership opener at Wigan.

The Portuguese defender is upset with his fellow countryman for bracketing him in the group of players who are not starters and need to convince the Blues boss they should get in the starting XI.

After an accomplished first season in England, Carvalho did not expect to be ousted from the side as Mourinho tries manfully to juggle the embarrassment of riches at his disposal.

"I want to know why I didn't play," he told A Bola.

"How can I explain when I don't understand it?

"Sincerely, I gave a lot of thought and time to myself but cannot find a valid explanation.

"It's totally incomprehensible.

"I don't understand why Mourinho said I have to wait for another opportunity to play this season. I don't understand the reason he put me in a group including Robert Huth, Joe Cole and Tiago.

"Sincerely, I don't understand why he told me what he told me. I don't believe I'm going to be third choice.

"The Premiership has begun and I will play many games, I have no doubt.

"It's incomprehensible that I will become third choice.

"At FC Porto, I didn't have an easy life with Mourinho, especially in the year he arrived. But, in time, I recovered my confidence and finished in a big way.

"I don't want an identical situation at Chelsea."

Carvalho's message that there is no way he will allow himself to slip down the pecking order, and that he cannot fathom why he has been left out, might actually be encouraging to Mourinho as the Blues manager looks for hunger from his players.

Im posting this as to what i was saying earlier about the disadvantages to having a such a big squad such as chelseas. This backs up my point in that you can never keep players happy if you keep rotating them and its eventually damaging to team morale, as im sure Carvallo wont be the last player complaining at chelsea. For those who understand football you will see my point of view. But those who believe one player wins titles, know nothing about football accept who wins and scores on a saturday wont understand.
 
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Well that is life really, you just cant have 11 players and make them play every single match, hence why you need backup. Now if Carvalho wanted to play he needs to prove he is ready, but doing this is only going to make Mourinho kick him up the arse instead of letting him play, Kezman did this before and look what happened to him, so I wouldnt be surprised if Carvalho left the club.

"of course he is one the best CB in the world."

And Kenny Miller is one of the best strikers in the world.
 
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kingpug said:
Well that is life really, you just cant have 11 players and make them play every single match, hence why you need backup. Now if Carvalho wanted to play he needs to prove he is ready, but doing this is only going to make Mourinho kick him up the arse instead of letting him play, Kezman did this before and look what happened to him, so I wouldnt be surprised if Carvalho left the club.

"of course he is one the best CB in the world."

And Kenny Miller is one of the best strikers in the world.
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No there is having back up and there is having too many players for one position. The latter in chelseas case, which is going to see alot of players leaving the club in the near future along with talent wasted! But I guess some of them are happy getting paid sitting on the bench!
 
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csaunders said:
phrase, all, check out the pass by the american defender on this goal, NICE ASSIST


http://www.standard.be/video/ZulteWaregem-S_Tchite.wmv
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Wow...what is he doing up there? Nice technique for a defender.He is lanky,like 1.95m? Reports about him again in the latest "what the papers say" section at manutd.com.I think he would be relatively cheap and would provide great backup to Rio and Silvestre.
 
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Ok Alucard here we go, now dont go throwing your dummy out but I think your fogeting how far the modern game of football has come! How you still think your right about the henry thing ill never know and then to spout off that others know nothing about football, seriously!:roll: As for you now "proving your point" with the Carvaleho situation! Quite bizzare statement when you think you as in Manchester United have more cover at the CB postion then Chelsea!?

Back on to the Scholes your win ratio without him in the team is something like 27% less than when he is in the team! Oh and just to top it off heres some quoes from AF on Djemba Djemba!

"Eric is a young player we've watched throughout the season, and he's impressed us each time with his understanding of the game. He's quick, aggressive and a good passer of the ball, and is the kind of athletic footballer we are looking for. In the last few months he has shown his development playing in a very good Cameroon team, and he looks like a Manchester United player in every sense."
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"The lad has done really well, he has fitted in to our team so easily, as if he has been here a couple of years."
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“Eric Djemba-Djemba can go in there and challenge That’s what you want and I think the boy is like that. He’s broken into the Cameroon team and played all their games and he is only 22. He has a long future in front of him but he is very much the present also, He will be a great asset to us."
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“He (Djemba-Djemba) has come and done fantastically well for us. He is showing the benefit of a year at the club, and started showing his true potential"
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Have a nice day :)
 
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phrase said:
Wow...what is he doing up there? Nice technique for a defender.He is lanky,like 1.95m? Reports about him again in the latest "what the papers say" section at manutd.com.I think he would be relatively cheap and would provide great backup to Rio and Silvestre.
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6 foot 4, two inches on RIO
 
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jamie_mack said:
Ok Alucard here we go, now dont go throwing your dummy out but I think your fogeting how far the modern game of football has come! How you still think your right about the henry thing ill never know and then to spout off that others know nothing about football, seriously!:roll: As for you now "proving your point" with the Carvaleho situation! Quite bizzare statement when you think you as in Manchester United have more cover at the CB postion then Chelsea!?

Back on to the Scholes your win ratio without him in the team is something like 27% less than when he is in the team! Oh and just to top it off heres some quoes from AF on Djemba Djemba!

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"Eric is a young player we've watched throughout the season, and he's impressed us each time with his understanding of the game. He's quick, aggressive and a good passer of the ball, and is the kind of athletic footballer we are looking for. In the last few months he has shown his development playing in a very good Cameroon team, and he looks like a Manchester United player in every sense."




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"The lad has done really well, he has fitted in to our team so easily, as if he has been here a couple of years."




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“Eric Djemba-Djemba can go in there and challenge That’s what you want and I think the boy is like that. He’s broken into the Cameroon team and played all their games and he is only 22. He has a long future in front of him but he is very much the present also, He will be a great asset to us."




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“He (Djemba-Djemba) has come and done fantastically well for us. He is showing the benefit of a year at the club, and started showing his true potential"





Have a nice day :)
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It took you two days to come up with all that djemba praise and try make it sound like SAF! Good job. It looks real if you scroll down the page fast enough.lol

Man Utd have four players who can play centre back who are Ferdinand,Silvestre,Brown and Oshea(Please dont argue that heinze can play cb coz he doesnt play in that position for Utd). Chelsea also have four who play centre back for chelsea; Carvalho,Terry,Huth and Gallas. Utd and chelsea both have four centre backs. Get it! So that means they have the same amount, no more, no less. But Utd also use brown and oshea to play right or left back. The same cant be said about carvalho and huth, so when that cb position is taken than there is no way they can get into the team in any other postion.

If you understood my post originally, i wasnt ever claiming Chelsea have more centre backs then Utd. I was pointing out that chelsea have too big of a squad with too many players for one postion and they wont be able to keep all their players happy and it will eventually effect their team morale. But i didnt expect you to understand; coming from someone who thinks henry,scholes win titles.lol. All Man City have to do is prize Henry or Scholes and they got the title!
 
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Mate it didnt take me two days im not that sad infact it took me about 5 mins i went to the M.E.N website and typed in Djemba try it you can see foryourself Oh and you missed Pique for United plus Gallas can play either side infact most of last season he played at left back like Heize so again your point is rubish! So stats lie now aswell and you bring city into it for no apparnt reason! :lmao:
 
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