Sulph
Goodbye...
- 28 September 2003
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Thats what ya get from debutants.
Thats what ya get from debutants.
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JayM
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
I think Park did really well, looks like he wants to impress but I think he might be trying too much.
Will be good for us this year IMO.
I think Park did really well, looks like he wants to impress but I think he might be trying too much.
Will be good for us this year IMO.
Sulph
Goodbye...
- 28 September 2003
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Well since its his first prem game its still pretty hard to tell.
Well since its his first prem game its still pretty hard to tell.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Well its not his first game for Man Utd so its not that hard to tell. :roll:Sulph said:
Sulph
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- 28 September 2003
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Well the other games were not really against "tough" sides.
Well the other games were not really against "tough" sides.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
And secondly, what we were talking about doesnt concern the opponents cuz we're talking about stuff like his workrate which was outstanding.
You dont need a tough opponent to judge someones work rate. Its supposed to be constant through all your games regardless of who you play.
Well of course they werent at the level of Arsenal or something but still at a high level. Especially since they were against teams that have a much higher level of fitness and more desperate to get a win than we were.Sulph said:
And secondly, what we were talking about doesnt concern the opponents cuz we're talking about stuff like his workrate which was outstanding.
You dont need a tough opponent to judge someones work rate. Its supposed to be constant through all your games regardless of who you play.
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Park is very tenacious which is what it takes to be a united player. I think his debut was good and you can see he has potential as he gets into very good positions. I think he just needs time to settle coz he looked nervous at times and his control let him down which i think he needs to work on. He will be especially good cover for when giggs cant play
Im very optimistic forr United this season i think we have a very strong and settled squad which i think the other top three clubs are lacking although we all know chelseas squad are strong but i dont think its settled because their players really dont know where they stand in the team.
United really need a midfielder at the moment as keane can only play so many games now and we really havnt got any other world class cover for that postion and smith hasnt got the disipline to stay holding defensive midfielder. I think Fergie is just trying to keep smith happy for the time being since he has no place upfront with rvn and rooney being fit.
j4y3m said:
Park is very tenacious which is what it takes to be a united player. I think his debut was good and you can see he has potential as he gets into very good positions. I think he just needs time to settle coz he looked nervous at times and his control let him down which i think he needs to work on. He will be especially good cover for when giggs cant play
Im very optimistic forr United this season i think we have a very strong and settled squad which i think the other top three clubs are lacking although we all know chelseas squad are strong but i dont think its settled because their players really dont know where they stand in the team.
United really need a midfielder at the moment as keane can only play so many games now and we really havnt got any other world class cover for that postion and smith hasnt got the disipline to stay holding defensive midfielder. I think Fergie is just trying to keep smith happy for the time being since he has no place upfront with rvn and rooney being fit.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
I think after seeing Smith play, he DOES have the discipline to play in Keano's position. He can also tackle well, has a great jump, is very agressive, and pretty much all of Keano's ability.
The only thing missing is that he cant read the game as well as Keane. Which is why he doesnt be in the positions that Keane gets to and he cant break down attacks as well as him.
I think after seeing Smith play, he DOES have the discipline to play in Keano's position. He can also tackle well, has a great jump, is very agressive, and pretty much all of Keano's ability.
The only thing missing is that he cant read the game as well as Keane. Which is why he doesnt be in the positions that Keane gets to and he cant break down attacks as well as him.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
I don't only worry about Keano, I don't think Scholes can take in every game at his best. I was mighty scared hearing SAF's comments about how he can probably play into his late 30's. No Sir Alex, maybe 2 more years, and even then they should also be fazing in new player.
Good news is at least one news story is running that we've made an offer for Ballack. I still think he'd simply be phenomenal in the EPL, plus he'll be in serious form getting ready for WC06. Lets cross fingers and hope...
And with Saha hurt AGAIN, I could see real need for Owen. I mean, near the end of the game this time we were ahead, but what happens when we need a goal? Ole's still sketchy, Saha's injured, Rooney and Ruud have just run around, and Rossi is, as of yet, unproven. I know Owen doesn't want to be a super sub, but maybe he'd be happier being the 3rd choice striker than the 5th choice. Lets go Untied, spend some cash! We're not even in the top 10 spenders this off season! I thought we were loaded!!!
I don't only worry about Keano, I don't think Scholes can take in every game at his best. I was mighty scared hearing SAF's comments about how he can probably play into his late 30's. No Sir Alex, maybe 2 more years, and even then they should also be fazing in new player.
Good news is at least one news story is running that we've made an offer for Ballack. I still think he'd simply be phenomenal in the EPL, plus he'll be in serious form getting ready for WC06. Lets cross fingers and hope...
And with Saha hurt AGAIN, I could see real need for Owen. I mean, near the end of the game this time we were ahead, but what happens when we need a goal? Ole's still sketchy, Saha's injured, Rooney and Ruud have just run around, and Rossi is, as of yet, unproven. I know Owen doesn't want to be a super sub, but maybe he'd be happier being the 3rd choice striker than the 5th choice. Lets go Untied, spend some cash! We're not even in the top 10 spenders this off season! I thought we were loaded!!!
phrase
Tactician
- 12 December 2002
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Where are u hearing this rumour that we are bidding for Ballack,beachryan?? Sir Alex remains tightlipped about buying Owen.These two players are the ones we really need and the club are letting the worry get out of hand.To add salt to the wound,Chelsea are strengthing their squad further with the impending arrival of Michael "Cantona is my idol" Essien.
Where are u hearing this rumour that we are bidding for Ballack,beachryan?? Sir Alex remains tightlipped about buying Owen.These two players are the ones we really need and the club are letting the worry get out of hand.To add salt to the wound,Chelsea are strengthing their squad further with the impending arrival of Michael "Cantona is my idol" Essien.
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I hope chelsea get essian i really do. Before i was really disappointed united didnt put in a bid for the guy. But buying him would be a gamble and he is not worth 28mil, chelsea are getting ripped off and im laughing! Where are they going to fit him into the team if they cant already fit SWP in. Essian wont do any better than lampard or makelele imo hes another one season wonder.Its just gonna cause more unrest among the players in their first team. I read in the papers on sunday how cole and drogba serioulsy wanted to leave last summer. Imagine how many players are gonna be upset with more signinngs and can only be damaging for chelseas team morale.
The reason i talk about chelsea is coz they are the main threat to United this season as Arsenal dont seem to have that spark no more since their unbeaten run came to an end last season.
RuneEdge i dont think bein able to jump well and being aggressive is all of keanes abilities,rooney is aggressive and can tackle well, do you think he would make a good defensive midfeilder such as keane or gerrard?. simth is far behind from becoming a good professional defensive midfielder like keane. I dont think he knows when to play simple passes,he cant cover or organise the defensive well and sure canthold his postion when need be. He was all over the place in the last two games when he came on as a sub, maybe fergie sees something in him that i cant but i gurenttee he wont be our replacement for roy keane in the future..
I hope chelsea get essian i really do. Before i was really disappointed united didnt put in a bid for the guy. But buying him would be a gamble and he is not worth 28mil, chelsea are getting ripped off and im laughing! Where are they going to fit him into the team if they cant already fit SWP in. Essian wont do any better than lampard or makelele imo hes another one season wonder.Its just gonna cause more unrest among the players in their first team. I read in the papers on sunday how cole and drogba serioulsy wanted to leave last summer. Imagine how many players are gonna be upset with more signinngs and can only be damaging for chelseas team morale.
The reason i talk about chelsea is coz they are the main threat to United this season as Arsenal dont seem to have that spark no more since their unbeaten run came to an end last season.
RuneEdge i dont think bein able to jump well and being aggressive is all of keanes abilities,rooney is aggressive and can tackle well, do you think he would make a good defensive midfeilder such as keane or gerrard?. simth is far behind from becoming a good professional defensive midfielder like keane. I dont think he knows when to play simple passes,he cant cover or organise the defensive well and sure canthold his postion when need be. He was all over the place in the last two games when he came on as a sub, maybe fergie sees something in him that i cant but i gurenttee he wont be our replacement for roy keane in the future..
phrase
Tactician
- 12 December 2002
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Thats why he is simply the most successful British manager ever innit? Smith is only 24 and can only get better.Have you seen Keano when he first put on that red jersey?? He was no where near the player he is now and a couple of years back.Pundits were comparing him with Paul Ince,the guv'nor at that time and he really learnt a lot from Ince and Robson.I share the same ideology with Runedge and Sir Alex on Smith playin in midfield.He is gonna be a revelation.Watch this space.
Alucard said:
Thats why he is simply the most successful British manager ever innit? Smith is only 24 and can only get better.Have you seen Keano when he first put on that red jersey?? He was no where near the player he is now and a couple of years back.Pundits were comparing him with Paul Ince,the guv'nor at that time and he really learnt a lot from Ince and Robson.I share the same ideology with Runedge and Sir Alex on Smith playin in midfield.He is gonna be a revelation.Watch this space.
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Yep he is sure the most succesful manager i didnt say he wasnt. As i said maybe SAF sees something in him that i dont see. I only see smith as a striker. But i trust in what the manager is doing but i dont think it will work out in the end. I hope it proves me wrong and smith turns out to be another roy keane in the making but i just cant see it happening im afraid.
phrase said:
Yep he is sure the most succesful manager i didnt say he wasnt. As i said maybe SAF sees something in him that i dont see. I only see smith as a striker. But i trust in what the manager is doing but i dont think it will work out in the end. I hope it proves me wrong and smith turns out to be another roy keane in the making but i just cant see it happening im afraid.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
The Ballack thing was in the papers bit on manutd.com, but theres no followup today, so it was probably crap. Sighs...
Did anyone else think Fletcher played well on Saturday? I thought his passing was first rate, he picked out some great long balls. When he has time he's pretty dangerous. too bad he can't shoot/dribble. Also John O'Shea was impressive, good stuff from him. I thought Gary was below par, all of their dangerous headers seemed to come from his side. Whether or not it was his man, or Keane couldn't make it back to cover the midfielders run I don't know, but he should be in charge of the back right post.
As for Smith in midfield, I'm still not convinced, I do worry abit that SAF likes the guy, and wants to see him play, and that coupled with a need for the position he's maybe being too keen (haha) to see him succeed there. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, but I wonder. I guess its good he's playing fro the reserves too, now that Jones is gone I guess he'll slot right in, getting more experience in the position.
Still hoping for some summer signings...
The Ballack thing was in the papers bit on manutd.com, but theres no followup today, so it was probably crap. Sighs...
Did anyone else think Fletcher played well on Saturday? I thought his passing was first rate, he picked out some great long balls. When he has time he's pretty dangerous. too bad he can't shoot/dribble. Also John O'Shea was impressive, good stuff from him. I thought Gary was below par, all of their dangerous headers seemed to come from his side. Whether or not it was his man, or Keane couldn't make it back to cover the midfielders run I don't know, but he should be in charge of the back right post.
As for Smith in midfield, I'm still not convinced, I do worry abit that SAF likes the guy, and wants to see him play, and that coupled with a need for the position he's maybe being too keen (haha) to see him succeed there. Hopefully I'll be proved wrong, but I wonder. I guess its good he's playing fro the reserves too, now that Jones is gone I guess he'll slot right in, getting more experience in the position.
Still hoping for some summer signings...
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Anyone know what happened to that young nigerian midfielder we was meant to sign who then chaged his mind after seeing all the money thrown around at chelsea?
Anyone know what happened to that young nigerian midfielder we was meant to sign who then chaged his mind after seeing all the money thrown around at chelsea?
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
FIFA proved they lack any balls when their big important ruling on the case was that he had to return to Oslo to play with Lyn. Which he had to do anyway, because that's his team, at least until January, which is when United were to get him. They didn't mention the whole United Chelsea struggle, ie, the point of the hearing in the first place. I guess that will come later. Its a bit of a sad situation tbh, but in my opinoin he'd get more first team action at United, and so if he can stand the 'boring' Manchester life then he should be a red. Though he'd have to put in some great performances before reds fans would actually take to hima fter all this crap.
Alucard said:
FIFA proved they lack any balls when their big important ruling on the case was that he had to return to Oslo to play with Lyn. Which he had to do anyway, because that's his team, at least until January, which is when United were to get him. They didn't mention the whole United Chelsea struggle, ie, the point of the hearing in the first place. I guess that will come later. Its a bit of a sad situation tbh, but in my opinoin he'd get more first team action at United, and so if he can stand the 'boring' Manchester life then he should be a red. Though he'd have to put in some great performances before reds fans would actually take to hima fter all this crap.
pup-fiction
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- 14 February 2005
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Alucard- I was reading some interview with Mourinho and what he was saying made sense to me, especially as Chelsea are gonna be competing to win everything this season, he was saying about how he sees football as a team game and he seems to be a real advocate of rotation. It seems to me that no-one at Chelsea is really a guaranteed starter and personally, i can't understand wanting to play for them other than the cash, but having so much depth in a squad does make sense.
Man U, in my opinion, seems to be losing some of that depth, which is potentially a worry, but with the academy still going strong the future should be ok.
Alucard- I was reading some interview with Mourinho and what he was saying made sense to me, especially as Chelsea are gonna be competing to win everything this season, he was saying about how he sees football as a team game and he seems to be a real advocate of rotation. It seems to me that no-one at Chelsea is really a guaranteed starter and personally, i can't understand wanting to play for them other than the cash, but having so much depth in a squad does make sense.
Man U, in my opinion, seems to be losing some of that depth, which is potentially a worry, but with the academy still going strong the future should be ok.
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Arsenal lack depth as well and they went undefeated 2 seasons ago...
Arsenal lack depth as well and they went undefeated 2 seasons ago...
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
I hear what your saying and thats one advantage to having so many players in that you have so much depth in the team. But the disanvantage is the premiership is where there is the most matches played week in week out. Many top players are going to be waiting on the bench for cup games to come coz there is no chance of constant rotation in the league. You have to have consistent team being played if you want to win premiership. You cant keep chopping and changing all the time, as then the team becomes unsettled:One player might have a great game then become rotated for the next game and then would feel pissed off!It happens. But i guess mourinho has his favourites who can do no wrong like all managers have and will never get rotated those special players unless their really tired.
As for Man Utd, they have alot of depth. Nearly every postion there is suffiecient cover to replace someone with. Name me a postion if somoene gets injured in our team Utd cant replace?
pup-fiction said:
I hear what your saying and thats one advantage to having so many players in that you have so much depth in the team. But the disanvantage is the premiership is where there is the most matches played week in week out. Many top players are going to be waiting on the bench for cup games to come coz there is no chance of constant rotation in the league. You have to have consistent team being played if you want to win premiership. You cant keep chopping and changing all the time, as then the team becomes unsettled:One player might have a great game then become rotated for the next game and then would feel pissed off!It happens. But i guess mourinho has his favourites who can do no wrong like all managers have and will never get rotated those special players unless their really tired.
As for Man Utd, they have alot of depth. Nearly every postion there is suffiecient cover to replace someone with. Name me a postion if somoene gets injured in our team Utd cant replace?
Mack
Champions League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Its not that you cant replace them its the quality your replacing them with!
Its not that you cant replace them its the quality your replacing them with!
Mack
Champions League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
He wasnt anything like Ince when he first signed for you! he was more like Scholes a attacking midfielder! There were no comparisons to Ince but alot with Robson at the time! Each game iv seen Smith in a DM role he has impressed me, Hes got along way to go but could get there.. Him snubbing England is very wrong though!
phrase said:
He wasnt anything like Ince when he first signed for you! he was more like Scholes a attacking midfielder! There were no comparisons to Ince but alot with Robson at the time! Each game iv seen Smith in a DM role he has impressed me, Hes got along way to go but could get there.. Him snubbing England is very wrong though!
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
As i said every position, we have suffiecient cover for. Name me one position were we cant replace someone a with a quality player? The thing is about Utds squad is that they have alot of versatile players, like flecther,oshea,park,smith,brown and even rooney to an extent. Do you think those players I just mentioned are not quality?
Utd still have Solskjear to back who can play up front or on right of midfield. But I guess whether he can get back to being the great ole of old is another question, especailly him in being in his 30's now.
jamie_mack said:
As i said every position, we have suffiecient cover for. Name me one position were we cant replace someone a with a quality player? The thing is about Utds squad is that they have alot of versatile players, like flecther,oshea,park,smith,brown and even rooney to an extent. Do you think those players I just mentioned are not quality?
Utd still have Solskjear to back who can play up front or on right of midfield. But I guess whether he can get back to being the great ole of old is another question, especailly him in being in his 30's now.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Speaking of Ole, I'm a little worried theres been no reports coming from training. You haven't heard SAF or teammates really saying, oh yeah, Ole's looking good, watch out for his comeback. Which is what they'd be doing if it was good. Plus he hasn't really said anything for ages. And today according to the daily mirror, Fergie said he 'may never play first team football again'(from manutd.com's news section). So erm, why keep him as a player? Get him on this coaching thing now, we don't really need a 32 reserves player do we?
The bad news is that Ole may not be coming back, but the good news is that it means Saha and Rossi (what ever happened to Bellion?) are the only backups, and Saha's always injured. So maybe we'll find someone after all. We'll see. I still go to manutd.com each morning waiting for Ballack news
Speaking of Ole, I'm a little worried theres been no reports coming from training. You haven't heard SAF or teammates really saying, oh yeah, Ole's looking good, watch out for his comeback. Which is what they'd be doing if it was good. Plus he hasn't really said anything for ages. And today according to the daily mirror, Fergie said he 'may never play first team football again'(from manutd.com's news section). So erm, why keep him as a player? Get him on this coaching thing now, we don't really need a 32 reserves player do we?
The bad news is that Ole may not be coming back, but the good news is that it means Saha and Rossi (what ever happened to Bellion?) are the only backups, and Saha's always injured. So maybe we'll find someone after all. We'll see. I still go to manutd.com each morning waiting for Ballack news
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Scholes can easily play until he's at least 34. He's never been blessed with any pace, his game's not about that at all. You only need to look at the likes of Bergkamp and Sheringham when they were aged 30-34 to see that it doesn't matter.
beachryan said:
Scholes can easily play until he's at least 34. He's never been blessed with any pace, his game's not about that at all. You only need to look at the likes of Bergkamp and Sheringham when they were aged 30-34 to see that it doesn't matter.
Mack
Champions League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Rooney to a exstent what are you on about!? So youd be happy if you say lost Scholes for the season and replaced him with Fletcher??
Rooney to a exstent what are you on about!? So youd be happy if you say lost Scholes for the season and replaced him with Fletcher??
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Of course not, but at the same time, most teams can't afford to have backup who is also world class, not even United. And Your stars are always impossible to 'replace', see last season sans RVN. Plus its just unfair on most star players to ask them to play a backup role, its not best for their career. I think SAF recognizes this and as well as formation concerns, doesn't want Owen because of it. Chelsea undeniably have more depth than any team in the world, and somehow Mourinho keeps everyone happy, for now. If they get knocked out of cups early though, then every member will just be fighting for premiership games, and not everyone will get week in week out football. Then they'll ahve to consider is it worth being a bit part player at a championship club? Or would it be better to be playing every week for a lesser club. Its down to the individual, and it seems like Jose has found enough players that are more concerned with having a championship medal than playing for it.
jamie_mack said:
Of course not, but at the same time, most teams can't afford to have backup who is also world class, not even United. And Your stars are always impossible to 'replace', see last season sans RVN. Plus its just unfair on most star players to ask them to play a backup role, its not best for their career. I think SAF recognizes this and as well as formation concerns, doesn't want Owen because of it. Chelsea undeniably have more depth than any team in the world, and somehow Mourinho keeps everyone happy, for now. If they get knocked out of cups early though, then every member will just be fighting for premiership games, and not everyone will get week in week out football. Then they'll ahve to consider is it worth being a bit part player at a championship club? Or would it be better to be playing every week for a lesser club. Its down to the individual, and it seems like Jose has found enough players that are more concerned with having a championship medal than playing for it.
Mack
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
Oh cmon youe were doing the same thing in the 90s Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Ole! I remember when you had one hell of a bench yourselves and it didnt do you any harm (the treble!)
Oh cmon youe were doing the same thing in the 90s Cole, Yorke, Sheringham, Ole! I remember when you had one hell of a bench yourselves and it didnt do you any harm (the treble!)
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Rooney can play in various of positions in the midfield as proven last season when he played on the left or right flank. He can even take scholes ooffensive midfeild position. Yes i would even be happy for fletcher take scholes place as he can do a very good job in midfield and has quality,maybe not world class but only playing fletcher can get him to be a better player.
jamie_mack said:
Rooney can play in various of positions in the midfield as proven last season when he played on the left or right flank. He can even take scholes ooffensive midfeild position. Yes i would even be happy for fletcher take scholes place as he can do a very good job in midfield and has quality,maybe not world class but only playing fletcher can get him to be a better player.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
agreed, jamie mack put it this way, rooney would start over every single player at any midfield(with defensive middy being the exception) or forward position at city... he is very versitaleAlucard said:
Mack
Champions League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread - Owen wants move!
No way would he! but then again so would Henry, Duff, lampard, gerard!:roll: and as for Fletcher in for Scholes, do you want to kiss the title goodbye now or later!
csaunders said:
No way would he!
but then again so would Henry, Duff, lampard, gerard!:roll: and as for Fletcher in for Scholes, do you want to kiss the title goodbye now or later!