Manchester United Thread

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ARRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!
How stupid can someone be?


jamie_mack said:
give it some thought? You are so full of yourself Im not putting Man U down at all, just you and your moaning comments it just seems to me that youre turning a bit bitter and jelous over chelsea, and now your having a pop at me and city! moan moan moan,
Of course I'm jealous. I'm jealous cuz Chelsea have free money and Man Utd don't. Chelsea dont even deserve it. I'm only having a go at City cuz as a City fan, you're trying to rub it in. What if Abramovich had spent all that money on Everton? Liverpool fans would be feeling just as bitter.

jamie_mack said:
170m+ in transfer over 4 years no CL for you?
Theres a difference between Chelsea's case and our's. We had £170+ million over 4 years meaning on average that about £21 million to spend during each transfer window. £21million is nothing compared to the £100+ million Chelsea spend during ONE transfer window. They have a far greater buying power than us which all comes from Abramovich, not money earned like ours. If Chelsea wanted to, they could spend another £80 million on one player if they wanted to. Even though we spend a lot of money over time, we'll never be able to spend £80 million on one player.

jamie_mack said:
your point is stupid! there are 8 teams that make it to the Qf of the CL every year and they all dont spend like Chelsea! Didnt Arseanl beat you by 15 points last year! No Roman Millions there either?
None of those 8 teams were built in 2 years. :roll:

jamie_mack said:
Lets put it this way If i were say a Charlton fan i could say

Dont you get it? Man U only made that money cuz they've been playing well. And the only reason they've been playing so well is because they used money to finance their current squad. But wait a minute, Man Utd didnt get that money from a russian billionaire who owns an oil company. They earned that money thanks to a great manager and staff who created great stars from their youth team who then went on you win great things for the club. This then leads to winning competitions which leads to more money. And now, Man Utd are almost guaranteed to qualify for the CL every year which is another source of revenue. Thanks to Kenyon, they've even got a big sponsor deal with Nike and Vodafone which will bring in more cash. It all started in 1992 the moment CL and Premier league were created! and for league clubs the level playing field was gone! And that was because of Man Utd's great marketing strategies and SIR Alex Ferguson's great managerial skills, not because it was all gifted to them. But you dont see all us bitching about how much you spend!?because we dont have a friggin clue about what we're talking about!

jamie_mack said:
As SWP hes is to big for city? cmon the guys 5ft nothing whats big about that!
I don't even know why I bothered quoting this.
 
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Every1 seems to say that what is making chelsea win is their money!
Well they did have to pay quite some money to mourinho to bring him!
Man Utd are still the richest club in the world, chelsea is 8th place in the list!

Man Utd lacks a strong midfield! They need to improve that sector, something they failed to do this season.
 
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grav3digg3r said:
Every1 seems to say that what is making chelsea win is their money!
Well they did have to pay quite some money to mourinho to bring him!

And who do you think pays Mourinho? Abramovich again. I can't believe the fact that Crespo was loaned to Milan for free. Which means Chelsea still pay his wage which also means that Crespo is STILL one of the highest paid players at Chelsea.
 
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Milanista said:
I think hes trying to say that any team that has spent 170 million + has had success in Europe but not United.
still doesnt make sense, and where is this $170 million coming from, rooney, saha, ronaldo, heinze, howard, kelberson=$170 not sure about that...
 
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My point is you have brought succses as much as chelsea, So please stop your moaning and support your team!

csaunders said:
chelsea spent 170 million plus IN ONE YEAR!!! your point is bad and not thought out, if untied had $170 in one year added to there current crop, of course they could win everything...

Just one thing Mr saunders can you tell me what season it was when they spent £170m in one season! in fact if you do a comparison over the last 4 years Chelsea have only spent about 30m more than Man utd!
 
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jamie_mack said:
Just one thing Mr saunders can you tell me what season it was when they spent £170m in one season! in fact if you do a comparison over the last 4 years Chelsea have only spent about 30m more than Man utd!

Thats cuz Chelsea spend hardly anything in the first 2 years and then spend over £170 million in the next 2.

Chelsea are where they are because of Abramovich. Theres no excuse for it.
 
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Jesus do you not give up! Moan Moan Moan again and if thats you point United should have spent there money more wisley then!
 
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jamie_mack said:
Jesus do you not give up! Moan Moan Moan again and if thats you point United should have spent there money more wisley then!

What do you mean spend the money more wisely? The money we dont have and Abramovich does?
 
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RuneEdge said:
What do you mean spend the money more wisely? The money we dont have and Abramovich does?

Sigh! Im sorry but you are surly not a united fan or if you are a young one at that! Ive never heard so many sorry excuses and moaning coming from a fan of a team that has had the recent history and MONEY you have had. Supporters are supposed to support there team not moan and bitch.
 
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I simply said that Chelsea are where they are because of Abramovich and you havent given me a vaild reason why I'm wrong.
And you coming here with your crappy replies is just annoying me cuz you don't know what you're talking about.
All you say is "stop moanin'.. and uh.. stop uh.. bitchin' and stuff". And you haven't presented a single arguement that can't be countered.
Prove me wrong and I'll shut up.
 
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Simple fact is United have earned the money over the years. Chelsea just won the bloody lottery.
 
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Chelsea would be in the same position as Citeh if Abrahamovich hadn't bailed them out. It's a shame to see money buy a premiership, but its the same thing that Arsenal and Man United have been doing for years, so why should anyone complain?
 
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United and Arsenal have been winning championships and are regularly in the Champions league which leads to good money coming in from supporters, television revenue etc.
 
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Good point knh4 but lets not forget all the fat cats that paid for Arsenal and Man Yo to make the champs league and win the premiership
 
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I think they should introduce some kind of salary caps in the premiership (and across europe) to make things more interesting. It worked really well in American sports, now its tough to tell one year from the next who is going to do well. And players brought up through the acdemy could be exempt from the cap etc... I think it could work.

Anyway, speaking of the young players, does anyone have any footage at all of Rossi? I really want to see him play, since i do'nt have MUTV its virtually impossible. If so, many thanks :)
 
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Nobody put money into arsenal. If anything they should be the most pissed off club, coz every season United have been spending pretty huge on big name players while arsenal couldnt compete. Its only now arsenal are getting money from investment in new stadium and better sponsership over the years.

I agree with jamie_mack, i think United should have spent more wisely over the years, then we wouldnt be so far behind chelsea,i mean we are a rich club, wev had money to buy top players, maybe not 170million for one season, but in past we have spent 30mil on just one player times before, so United cant make excuses im sorry.(Im a United fan btw) But thats the hard truth.

It should be Fergies last chance next season and if same thing happens next season, he has to go. Im fully behind the man, but two seasons without major trophy is unacceptable in any league for a top class rich team. I mean its worst when you have to concede titles with two months left, and get knocked out CL fours seasons in a row at same stage. Yes we have been unlucky in CL, but truly great teams gain their own luck like we did in 1999, porto last season, chelsea got lucky and they are through.
 
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RuneEdge said:
I simply said that Chelsea are where they are because of Abramovich and you havent given me a vaild reason why I'm wrong.
And you coming here with your crappy replies is just annoying me cuz you don't know what you're talking about.
All you say is "stop moanin'.. and uh.. stop uh.. bitchin' and stuff". And you haven't presented a single arguement that can't be countered.
Prove me wrong and I'll shut up.

you really arnt getting it are you? Im sorry but its fans like you that talk total crap and give man United a bad name! I showed a few Real Man U fans what youd wrote and they just laughed!
 
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beachryan said:
I think they should introduce some kind of salary caps in the premiership (and across europe) to make things more interesting. It worked really well in American sports, now its tough to tell one year from the next who is going to do well. And players brought up through the acdemy could be exempt from the cap etc... I think it could work.

They WERE talkin about it but apparently the players can say it infringes there human rights.

US & Canada does not have this problem.

But in the NBA for example doesnt Shaq earn like 16m a YEAR?

And Fergie should be sacked next year if this happens again.
 
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Dead Man said:
beachryan said:
I think they should introduce some kind of salary caps in the premiership (and across europe) to make things more interesting. It worked really well in American sports, now its tough to tell one year from the next who is going to do well. And players brought up through the acdemy could be exempt from the cap etc... I think it could work.

They WERE talkin about it but apparently the players can say it infringes there human rights.

US & Canada does not have this problem.

But in the NBA for example doesnt Shaq earn like 16m a YEAR?

And Fergie should be sacked next year if this happens again.
i dont think NBA has salary cap, NFL and Baseball does, and its for the entire team not individual players... salary cap might be tricky...
 
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grav3digg3r said:
Every1 seems to say that what is making chelsea win is their money!
Well they did have to pay quite some money to mourinho to bring him!
Man Utd are still the richest club in the world, chelsea is 8th place in the list!

Man Utd lacks a strong midfield! They need to improve that sector, something they failed to do this season.

Actually Chelsea are 4th as of 2004/05. They jumped from 11th to 4th in 1 year.
 
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jamie_mack said:
My point is you have brought succses as much as chelsea, So please stop your moaning and support your team!



Just one thing Mr saunders can you tell me what season it was when they spent £170m in one season! in fact if you do a comparison over the last 4 years Chelsea have only spent about 30m more than Man utd!
wrong, they spent 89 in 2004 05, 2003 04 they spent $160, sorry i was a little off, LOL


The appointment of José Mourinho to lead Chelsea’s title charge has further tipped the balance. Chelsea have spent £89 million this season on new players, including a record £24 million to lure Didier Drogba from Marseilles. Chelsea’s £260 million spending spree since the arrival of Roman Abramovich, the Russian oil billionaire, in July 2003 has accounted for about 40 per cent of spending by Premiership clubs.
 
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jamie_mack said:
you really arnt getting it are you? Im sorry but its fans like you that talk total crap and give man United a bad name! I showed a few Real Man U fans what youd wrote and they just laughed!
You're the one thats making such a big deal out of this if you really showed it to your mates. Thats just sad.

Alucard said:
Nobody put money into arsenal. If anything they should be the most pissed off club, coz every season United have been spending pretty huge on big name players while arsenal couldnt compete. Its only now arsenal are getting money from investment in new stadium and better sponsership over the years.
I completely agree with you there. Which is why I'm not so upset when they win anything cuz IMO Arsenal deserve the title more than anyone. But we're talking about Chelsea here which is the complete opposite.

Alucard said:
I agree with jamie_mack, i think United should have spent more wisely over the years, then we wouldnt be so far behind chelsea,i mean we are a rich club, wev had money to buy top players, maybe not 170million for one season, but in past we have spent 30mil on just one player times before, so United cant make excuses im sorry.(Im a United fan btw) But thats the hard truth.
The only time I can honestly say this was true was when we bought Veron. Guys like Rooney, Rio, Ronaldo and Ruud were worth every damn penny that was spent on them. Howard is a great keeper and he only cost us £2.3mil. And lets break down the Rooney deal. The deal was that we only have to pay £10 million this season and another £10 million next season meaning that the actual price was £20 million over two seasons. An additional is paid depending on goals and appearances. Seeing how weel Rooney plays for us that additional £10mil means nothing to us. And if you still think we dont spend money wisely, explain these:

Eric Cantona - £3 million
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - £1.5 million
Roy Keane - £3.75 million
Denis Irwin - £625k
Steve Bruce - £825k
Gary Pallister - £2.3 million
Peter Schmeichel - £500k!!!

And lets not forget the players we got for FREE.
Giggs
Scholes
Gary Neville
Phil Neville
Butt
Beckham

If thats not wise spending, what is? Arsenal hardly have any money and their biggest signing in recent years (Reyes) wants to leave. How screwed are they?
 
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I read in an interview that back when Fergie was signing Cantona from Leeds that he said to Leeds rep "This is a steal" right after he signed the papers.
 
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lumlum said:
I read in an interview that back when Fergie was signing Cantona from Leeds that he said to Leeds rep "This is a steal" right after he signed the papers.
It was voted my an EFA poll as the transfer of the millenium. Its the biggest steal ever.
But look at the Schemeichel one. HALF A FRIGGIN MILLION POUNDS!!!
And Schemeichel became (IMO) the greatest keeper that ever lived.
 
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The only time I can honestly say this was true was when we bought Veron. Guys like Rooney, Rio, Ronaldo and Ruud were worth every damn penny that was spent on them. Howard is a great keeper and he only cost us £2.3mil. And lets break down the Rooney deal. The deal was that we only have to pay £10 million this season and another £10 million next season meaning that the actual price was £20 million over two seasons. An additional is paid depending on goals and appearances. Seeing how weel Rooney plays for us that additional £10mil means nothing to us. And if you still think we dont spend money wisely, explain these:

Eric Cantona - £3 million
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - £1.5 million
Roy Keane - £3.75 million
Denis Irwin - £625k
Steve Bruce - £825k
Gary Pallister - £2.3 million
Peter Schmeichel - £500k!!!

And lets not forget the players we got for FREE.
Giggs
Scholes
Gary Neville
Phil Neville
Butt
Beckham

Hey man i didnt say the 30million was on crap talent, but 30 mil can buy two or three good world class players, i mean thats round about 120 million on just four players, veron, van nistelrooy, rooney and rio. and what about spending 7 million on average players like kleberson,forlan, these were not wisely spent, they were panick buys.
 
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RuneEdge said:
Arsenal hardly have any money and their biggest signing in recent years (Reyes) wants to leave. How screwed are they?

We are not screwed, we have plenty of money to spend in the summer. SO Reyes wants to leave? We will get back at least what we paid, apparently we have only laid down around £10million so far, should easily get that back.

After reading all the comments on this page, its clear that Utd have spent loads more than us over recent years and Chelsea have now spent loads more than United. Apprently Arsenal's net spend since Wenger has been in charge is less than SPURS in the same time period!!

The difference is that United's money and our money have come from within the club, there has been no sugar daddy. Chelsea are doing a Blackburn but worse.

They have needed a quarter of a £billion investment in players, and needed to hire the manager of the reigning Champions League holders. All so they can win their first title for 50 years. Its sad really but thats what football is about nowadays, money.

We had better get used to Chelsea winning because with a bottomless pit of cash they have, they should be winning it EVERY season imo. Arsenal have a massive job just to keep up and even Utd with their wealth will find it difficult, imo.
 
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i think the point someone made about sir alex going next year if united dont win the league is a bit misguided. i think we have to just shrug our shoulders and realise the fact that chelsea are having an unbelievable season (they'll probably break the current points record). don't forget, since the opening game of the season, united have only lost once in the league. their defensive record is also extremely good (only 17 conceded in 31 games - Arsenal is twice that). in any other season up until now, united and arsenal would be joint leaders at this stage, so i don't think it's a case of Utd having a bad season, more a case of chelsea having an unreal season. sometimes you just have to put your hand up and say "fair enough..."

about the money situation, i don't think you can really draw a comparison between united's wealth and chelsea's. you have to remember united gradually built up their empire over the last 15 or so years through clever investments and marketing. chelsea on the other hand, if i remember right, were in pretty severe financial difficulties just before abramovich took charge and now look were they are. i think this is where some of the "bitterness" stems from. it's seen as a sort of "get out of jail free (and inherit an oil company!) card", if you will. ;) It is a slight shame in a way, i guess. i mean, if you look at some of the smaller premiership teams, say charlton for example. they've worked real hard to establish themselves as a premiership team. not only that, but they're riding high in the league as well (bolton are also another good example). and they've done it on a shoestring budget. and all because they keep their houses in good order, and they run their businesses well. chelsea on the other hand, were a bit of a shambles as a business. look at it this way, if a lower league team had used chelsea's business model, they would probably go into administration. it just so happened that someone came along and bailed chelsea out. so what does this say to the rest of the footballing world: "forget about running a successful business, just be on the lookout for a bored billionaire who wants a new toy"?

bottom line (and this is coming from a Utd supporter): chelsea deserve to win the title. no bones about it. on the field there's no doubt that chelsea are the best team in the country. it's just a bit of a shame to see that it doesn't really matter that off the field you can do everything wrong, and still succeed.
 
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I agree with you 100% danGerMouse. Its basically what I wanted to say.
All of Chelsea's players deserve the title because they played great football. But Chelsea the football club dont deserve it.

Any enough Chelsea talk here. I'm kinda worried about the FA Cup cuz we could be facing Arsenal in the final and with the way we've played in recent weeks compared to the Gunners, we'll end this season without any silverware. And that would be even worse than last season. And if we win the FA Cup, it wouldnt be much of an improvement over last season either. At what point would you consider us to be in a crisis? IMO, we're in one NOW!
 
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I agree with danGerMouse. At some point you just have to hold up your hands and say the other team played better. Chelsea do not draw matches. They win against weaker teams. I do believe United are still the best big game club in England (I doubt Chelsea would have fared any better against AC Milan), but that's not what you need to win the league. You need consistency, and Chelsea get results. We'll have to see if they can continue, or if over the summer coaches will work out startegies to counter the way they play, whcih has happened to United over the past few years I think.
 
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