Manchester United Thread
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Come on mate, a whole season without Rooney you'd struggle to finish in the top 3. I look at your squad without Rooney and other than Vidic and Evra noone really screams "I'm world class!" Perhaps Berbatov would become more consistent feeling as tho he's the main man but if not your forward line is a mixture of players in the twilight of their career and players that blow hot and cold (Berb and Nani). With Rooney I believe you have something like a 75% win ratio. Without Rooney it's more like 50%. I wouldn't want to rely on Berba, Hernandez and Owen as the strikers for a whole season.
People can talk about Rooney being greedy (tho according to Fergie he was offered amazing wages) if it makes them feel better but really if you look at it from a purely football perspective Utd really do look on the decline. I know we've heard "Utd in decline?" before, and I've been the first to laugh it off as nonsense, but this time I really do think it is the case. Mountains of debt, lots of ageing players, quite a few average players, no real squad depth, inconsistant performers, fergie's retirement over the horizon (and that's before entering into the equation that Utd's best player is set to leave). I'm sure non of this is lost on Rooney himself.
Perhaps he just wants out of the country to escape the media? If not, however, I can see decent reasons for him to leave from a football perspective.
If im honest I would be shitting it if this was sometime last season but in football 3 months or even 6 months is a long time. Rooney currently this season has contributed 1 goal which was from the penalty spot and our attack has been fine this season, were not really suffering in that department because Berbatov, Nani along with cameo's from Hernandez have provided that (Yes our finishing off teams has been a bit naive but that's not down to lack of chances). Im not saying Rooney is rubbish or that we don't need him because hes probably the best player we have when on form but what it says it we can cope in that area without needing him.
Personally im more worried about us replacing Scholes (and if we have the funds for it even!) so if we were to sell Rooney and bring in say someone like Banega and no striker (like we did when we sold Ruud and bought in Carrick) and let the young attacking talent in house develop I wouldn't be that worried.
If we can manage to do both then brilliant but for some reason Rooney leaving doesn't bother me as much as Scholes hanging up his boots and not replacing him.
P.S Is it ok to start calling Nani World Class yet and being up their with the top bracket of players?
YouTube - Luis Nani Vs West Bromwich Albion Home By Anass
Come on mate, a whole season without Rooney you'd struggle to finish in the top 3. I look at your squad without Rooney and other than Vidic and Evra noone really screams "I'm world class!" Perhaps Berbatov would become more consistent feeling as tho he's the main man but if not your forward line is a mixture of players in the twilight of their career and players that blow hot and cold (Berb and Nani). With Rooney I believe you have something like a 75% win ratio. Without Rooney it's more like 50%. I wouldn't want to rely on Berba, Hernandez and Owen as the strikers for a whole season.
People can talk about Rooney being greedy (tho according to Fergie he was offered amazing wages) if it makes them feel better but really if you look at it from a purely football perspective Utd really do look on the decline. I know we've heard "Utd in decline?" before, and I've been the first to laugh it off as nonsense, but this time I really do think it is the case. Mountains of debt, lots of ageing players, quite a few average players, no real squad depth, inconsistant performers, fergie's retirement over the horizon (and that's before entering into the equation that Utd's best player is set to leave). I'm sure non of this is lost on Rooney himself.
Perhaps he just wants out of the country to escape the media? If not, however, I can see decent reasons for him to leave from a football perspective.
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Jumbo_
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Last season Rooney was just a finisher. Almost all his goals were scored with just one touch; a header, a tap in or whatever and every single one was from inside the area. That's a lot easier to replace than a player like Messi who picks it up anywhere, goes past 2 players and curls into the top corner from 20 yards. Without Valencia, Giggs, Berbatov, Nani, Scholes etc etc etc he wouldn't have scored many goals AT ALL, because like I said before, the rest of his play was pretty average for the most part. I'm not being bitter, I said this months ago too, you can search the thread.
His role was overstated last season, he was brilliant at times and his goalscoring was fantastic but IMO he's not as important as has been made out.
This season we've been written off already and we haven't even lost yet! Fair enough we've not been great but give me one game where we were the worst team? Apart from Sunderland we've pretty much deserved to win every game and the only reason we haven't is because of stupid individual errors, collective switching off and inability to kill games off. It's entirely psychological.
If Nani had've scored that penalty against Fulham and Van Der Sar holds the ball against WBA then we'd be 2nd, one point behind Chelsea. It's no where near as bad as is being made out.
We've not missed Rooney one bit this season, we've been scoring fine. Nani, Berbatov and now potentially Hernandez are showing they can be matchwinners too.
Despite all the media and fan hype football's not just about individual star players, it's a team game and any player can be replaced. Arsenal had 5 different scorers tonight, in my opinion that's much more healthy than relying on one guy to get all the goals.
Last season Rooney was just a finisher. Almost all his goals were scored with just one touch; a header, a tap in or whatever and every single one was from inside the area. That's a lot easier to replace than a player like Messi who picks it up anywhere, goes past 2 players and curls into the top corner from 20 yards. Without Valencia, Giggs, Berbatov, Nani, Scholes etc etc etc he wouldn't have scored many goals AT ALL, because like I said before, the rest of his play was pretty average for the most part. I'm not being bitter, I said this months ago too, you can search the thread.
His role was overstated last season, he was brilliant at times and his goalscoring was fantastic but IMO he's not as important as has been made out.
This season we've been written off already and we haven't even lost yet! Fair enough we've not been great but give me one game where we were the worst team? Apart from Sunderland we've pretty much deserved to win every game and the only reason we haven't is because of stupid individual errors, collective switching off and inability to kill games off. It's entirely psychological.
If Nani had've scored that penalty against Fulham and Van Der Sar holds the ball against WBA then we'd be 2nd, one point behind Chelsea. It's no where near as bad as is being made out.
We've not missed Rooney one bit this season, we've been scoring fine. Nani, Berbatov and now potentially Hernandez are showing they can be matchwinners too.
Despite all the media and fan hype football's not just about individual star players, it's a team game and any player can be replaced. Arsenal had 5 different scorers tonight, in my opinion that's much more healthy than relying on one guy to get all the goals.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
I can imagine Rooney at Arsenal living in London. Scoring bags of tap ins ... Having Jack n Theo like the Three Musketeers! No hair dryer treatment, but then I think wenger wouldn`t take Rooney out of respect of fergie imo. City n Chels will be more suited financially wise. I also, think Rooney form has to do with his surrounding tides w/ his personal life( no doubt blames Rooney`s team mate typical wifey ). He joins a new club and the Rooney we know shows up w/ vengeance and that will be harsh on every MUTD fan. Like when Spurs played horrid (Ramos) and turn it around within days(Harry).
I can imagine Rooney at Arsenal living in London. Scoring bags of tap ins ... Having Jack n Theo like the Three Musketeers! No hair dryer treatment, but then I think wenger wouldn`t take Rooney out of respect of fergie imo. City n Chels will be more suited financially wise. I also, think Rooney form has to do with his surrounding tides w/ his personal life( no doubt blames Rooney`s team mate typical wifey ). He joins a new club and the Rooney we know shows up w/ vengeance and that will be harsh on every MUTD fan. Like when Spurs played horrid (Ramos) and turn it around within days(Harry).
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You shouldn't miss Rooney against the teams you've played so far this season. Utd haven't really played anyone decent yet.
You shouldn't miss Rooney against the teams you've played so far this season. Utd haven't really played anyone decent yet.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
There was a good discussion on about the Rooney situation on Sky Sports News last night. It was Paul Merson, Gary Megson, Charlie Nicholas & Phil Thompson.
Merson was saying that last season Rooney said he was happy to stay at the club for life, and that looking at it there must be something already lined up. Why else would you come out and say you want to leave United now when the transfer window is closed?
Apparently he is fed up with carrying the team (but like Jumbo said, he wouldn't have scored that many without the service, mainly from Valencia). Merson believed that that's the kind of pressure you thrive on, and anyway, if he went anywhere else it would be the same expectations. If he went to City, Chelsea, Madrid or anywhere else he would be the main striker and be expected to lead the line.
Thompson mentioned that as much as it hurt him to say it, Rooney is at possibly the biggest club in the world, and is the star player. Going anywhere else would be a step down, and can't understand why he'd want to move. An example is that although City have brought in good players, they aren't going to overtake United for a long long time. A bit like the rivalry with Liverpool...
Charlie Nicholas mentioned the things that United have done to help him in the past. The calming him down (a bit anyway!); keeping the spotlight off him whenever his private life was in the papers; leaving him out of the Sunderland game to help him get fit for England, hoping that he'd come back in form.
The ending line from Megson was that you can't help but question what his people are telling him. We've heard what he doesn't want (to stay, and the improved contract), so what does he want?
Hopefully it'll soon be resolved either way. If he is sold I hope we don't do it cheaply like RVN & Beckham...
There was a good discussion on about the Rooney situation on Sky Sports News last night. It was Paul Merson, Gary Megson, Charlie Nicholas & Phil Thompson.
Merson was saying that last season Rooney said he was happy to stay at the club for life, and that looking at it there must be something already lined up. Why else would you come out and say you want to leave United now when the transfer window is closed?
Apparently he is fed up with carrying the team (but like Jumbo said, he wouldn't have scored that many without the service, mainly from Valencia). Merson believed that that's the kind of pressure you thrive on, and anyway, if he went anywhere else it would be the same expectations. If he went to City, Chelsea, Madrid or anywhere else he would be the main striker and be expected to lead the line.
Thompson mentioned that as much as it hurt him to say it, Rooney is at possibly the biggest club in the world, and is the star player. Going anywhere else would be a step down, and can't understand why he'd want to move. An example is that although City have brought in good players, they aren't going to overtake United for a long long time. A bit like the rivalry with Liverpool...
Charlie Nicholas mentioned the things that United have done to help him in the past. The calming him down (a bit anyway!); keeping the spotlight off him whenever his private life was in the papers; leaving him out of the Sunderland game to help him get fit for England, hoping that he'd come back in form.
The ending line from Megson was that you can't help but question what his people are telling him. We've heard what he doesn't want (to stay, and the improved contract), so what does he want?
Hopefully it'll soon be resolved either way. If he is sold I hope we don't do it cheaply like RVN & Beckham...
ilfenomeno
La Gueule
- 12 October 2010
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Mourinho and Mancini seem to think he'll stay? General rubbish or what?
Mourinho and Mancini seem to think he'll stay? General rubbish or what?
- 3 October 2010
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
let him go thats what i say 1 player dont make a team. united will bounce back they always do
let him go thats what i say 1 player dont make a team. united will bounce back they always do
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Team
- Arsenal
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
totaly agreed. just look how useless he has been when he plays for england. why? because without the service, Rooney is not all that great
totaly agreed. just look how useless he has been when he plays for england. why? because without the service, Rooney is not all that great
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Yes Rooney was a great goalscorer last season but overall, he hasnt been the player he used to be for about 3 years now. The last time I enjoyed watching Rooney was that year we won the Champion's League when we had that 4 man attacking system (Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Giggs) where all 4 of those guys were arguably at their best.
Yes Rooney was a great goalscorer last season but overall, he hasnt been the player he used to be for about 3 years now. The last time I enjoyed watching Rooney was that year we won the Champion's League when we had that 4 man attacking system (Rooney, Ronaldo, Tevez and Giggs) where all 4 of those guys were arguably at their best.
Jumbo_
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Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Unless he does a press conference saying he'll sign the new contract, apologises to the fans and Fergie for how he's acted and promises to knuckledown and prove his worth then he can fuck off.
Unless he does a press conference saying he'll sign the new contract, apologises to the fans and Fergie for how he's acted and promises to knuckledown and prove his worth then he can fuck off.
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
City aren't going to overtake Utd for a long lone time? Really? Sure, it'd take a long time to match Utd's list of trophies but that's only one way to look at it and a pretty poor one at that. Take the logic elsewhere and you'd be saying that Chelsea havn't overtaken Liverppol, Arsenal or Villa. But of course they have.
What use is it for a player to say "I play for a club that used to dominate but no longer do"?
If City cement themseleves above Utd then City have overtaken Utd. Football is played in the present, not the past.
City aren't going to overtake Utd for a long lone time? Really? Sure, it'd take a long time to match Utd's list of trophies but that's only one way to look at it and a pretty poor one at that. Take the logic elsewhere and you'd be saying that Chelsea havn't overtaken Liverppol, Arsenal or Villa. But of course they have.
What use is it for a player to say "I play for a club that used to dominate but no longer do"?
If City cement themseleves above Utd then City have overtaken Utd. Football is played in the present, not the past.
matherto
20 times 20 times Man United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
With his form, and the contract situation the way it is, there's no way we're getting a big fee for him.
With his form, and the contract situation the way it is, there's no way we're getting a big fee for him.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
So it turns out, he wants to leave because we're not investing in the squad anymore. Sounds like a load of BS to me to cover up his real reasons but if that's really the case, the Glazer's are gonna have to think real hard about the offer from those "Red Knights" investors. All we would need now is for Sir Alex to resign and the Glazers would have really killed this club off.
So it turns out, he wants to leave because we're not investing in the squad anymore. Sounds like a load of BS to me to cover up his real reasons but if that's really the case, the Glazer's are gonna have to think real hard about the offer from those "Red Knights" investors. All we would need now is for Sir Alex to resign and the Glazers would have really killed this club off.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
What a utter cunt, trying to use the "lack of big name signings" as his reason for leaving and not matching his "ambition" when looking at the past 3-4 seasons I can't think of many teams in the world who have matched ours.
Fuck off Wayne.
What a utter cunt, trying to use the "lack of big name signings" as his reason for leaving and not matching his "ambition" when looking at the past 3-4 seasons I can't think of many teams in the world who have matched ours.
Fuck off Wayne.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
YouTube - NEW BUSTA RHYMES ARAB MONEY - WITH LYRICS
Can picture Wayne pumping this on his way down the road
YouTube - NEW BUSTA RHYMES ARAB MONEY - WITH LYRICS
Can picture Wayne pumping this on his way down the road
Jumbo_
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Twat. How fucking arrogant and disrespectful to his team mates.
OMG FERGIE Y DINT U BY TORREZ AND KAKA !>!!!!! FFS
Twat. How fucking arrogant and disrespectful to his team mates.
OMG FERGIE Y DINT U BY TORREZ AND KAKA !>!!!!! FFS
Wilko22
Confusions Familiar
- 19 March 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
If you're gunna slag off the team for lacking ambition, at least be the one who's putting in the performances every week. Instead he's the worst player on the pitch this season, not forgetting the World Cup, but I suppose that's our fault?!
If you're gunna slag off the team for lacking ambition, at least be the one who's putting in the performances every week. Instead he's the worst player on the pitch this season, not forgetting the World Cup, but I suppose that's our fault?!
Jumbo_
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Exactly.
Exactly.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
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If anything its done our team talk for the season, prove that money grabbing prick wrong and go out and prove we can win championships!
If anything its done our team talk for the season, prove that money grabbing prick wrong and go out and prove we can win championships!
BobbyBox
WING NUT!
- 10 October 2003
- Team
- Arsenal
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
He can't go to City can he? that would be a complete kick in the nuts!
I wonder what his real reason for leaving is? The only reason I can think of is if he goes abroad for something different. If he stays in England, surely he would want to stay at united?
Really is a shitter, especially as you will get a reduced price for him now aswell.
He can't go to City can he? that would be a complete kick in the nuts!
I wonder what his real reason for leaving is? The only reason I can think of is if he goes abroad for something different. If he stays in England, surely he would want to stay at united?
Really is a shitter, especially as you will get a reduced price for him now aswell.
ss4_goku
Premier League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
OK, i'll admit that I was wrong in saying those words about Fergie when it's clearly Rooney's (and his advisor's) fault and as a United Fan, as much as I feel that we do play better with Rooney, I'd say sell him. Sell any player that does not want to play or think that they are bigger than the club.
I do want to say that I also have that feeling with my mates that Fergie in the interview really looks depleted. If he does resign cause he has lost that energy or that desire in managing the team, then that really is the end of United. I agree that a player does not make the club, but a manager (especially of Fergie's ability) can.
In a sense, we really haven't been signing any "star" names as Rooney says, but those players that we've signed seem to fit in the playing style and fill the voids quite well. Honestly, if it wasn't for those players that we signed (especially Valencia), Rooney wouldn't have scored those goals last year.
and I believe that with the change in scenario, rooney will be able to go back to his old deadly form and terrorize defenses again. It'll be like a new start and psychologically it can boost him to play better. If he does leave, i hope he goes to Barcelona or some other team that can pay us the amount, but not in the EPL...Not sure how i'd feel to see him so often at Old Trafford scoring on us....
OK, i'll admit that I was wrong in saying those words about Fergie when it's clearly Rooney's (and his advisor's) fault and as a United Fan, as much as I feel that we do play better with Rooney, I'd say sell him. Sell any player that does not want to play or think that they are bigger than the club.
I do want to say that I also have that feeling with my mates that Fergie in the interview really looks depleted. If he does resign cause he has lost that energy or that desire in managing the team, then that really is the end of United. I agree that a player does not make the club, but a manager (especially of Fergie's ability) can.
In a sense, we really haven't been signing any "star" names as Rooney says, but those players that we've signed seem to fit in the playing style and fill the voids quite well. Honestly, if it wasn't for those players that we signed (especially Valencia), Rooney wouldn't have scored those goals last year.
and I believe that with the change in scenario, rooney will be able to go back to his old deadly form and terrorize defenses again. It'll be like a new start and psychologically it can boost him to play better. If he does leave, i hope he goes to Barcelona or some other team that can pay us the amount, but not in the EPL...Not sure how i'd feel to see him so often at Old Trafford scoring on us....
Wilko22
Confusions Familiar
- 19 March 2003
- Team
- Manchester United
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
August 14th he told us he wanted to leave, after our Charity Shield performance. What a load of bollocks...
August 14th he told us he wanted to leave, after our Charity Shield performance. What a load of bollocks...
northstandhero
Betta Getta Vespa
- 25 April 2002
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Gutted I can't be there tonight, off to Cuba in the morning.Would have loved to have seen the reception the gaffer gets.
Gutted I can't be there tonight, off to Cuba in the morning.Would have loved to have seen the reception the gaffer gets.
PIPA23
retired :)
- 21 June 2007
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
you were great before Rooney and you still remain big team without him..simple as that..you will manage i am shure.. probably you will find a better player to replace him..
like mentioned above..you need to find more replacement for GK and CM..
Rooney departure if he will go for shure.. would mean you need to find new talisman player for future..
but as Liverpool supporter i always seen Rooney as loayal and somehow grown up about now...
all in all, must be the money some other club is offering him. (City imo.)
you were great before Rooney and you still remain big team without him..simple as that..you will manage i am shure.. probably you will find a better player to replace him..
like mentioned above..you need to find more replacement for GK and CM..
Rooney departure if he will go for shure.. would mean you need to find new talisman player for future..
but as Liverpool supporter i always seen Rooney as loayal and somehow grown up about now...
all in all, must be the money some other club is offering him. (City imo.)
quiet_riot
Welcome To Manchester
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
:lol:
I love how quickly football fans turn.
:lol:
I love how quickly football fans turn.
TikTikTikTikTik
*****
- 7 August 2004
- Team
- Liverpool
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Rooney just released a statement, pretty much confirming what most of the fans were afraid of; "No guarentees that the club will invest in the squad".
Seems you lot are where we were two years ago. I wish the owners would just f#$k off. I mean I love to see Utd do badly, but not like this. It has nothing to do with football or sporting achievement but is purely down to a bunck of c#$ts who think it's a good business investment to buy clubs on loan. I wonder how the Glazers are looking at the club now, seeing what's happend to Liverpool and the big loss H+G ended up making.
I can't see Utd creating much more commercial income (they are already the 2nd biggest sporting brand behind the Yankees if I remember correctly) and a lack of succes won't help either. And now they will have less and less world stars to sell shirts.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the owners try to strip the club of as much assets and income the coming years just to make sure they break even or make a small profit as I can't see much good coming from interest payments at a rate of 16,25%.
Rooney just released a statement, pretty much confirming what most of the fans were afraid of; "No guarentees that the club will invest in the squad".
Seems you lot are where we were two years ago. I wish the owners would just f#$k off. I mean I love to see Utd do badly, but not like this. It has nothing to do with football or sporting achievement but is purely down to a bunck of c#$ts who think it's a good business investment to buy clubs on loan. I wonder how the Glazers are looking at the club now, seeing what's happend to Liverpool and the big loss H+G ended up making.
I can't see Utd creating much more commercial income (they are already the 2nd biggest sporting brand behind the Yankees if I remember correctly) and a lack of succes won't help either. And now they will have less and less world stars to sell shirts.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the owners try to strip the club of as much assets and income the coming years just to make sure they break even or make a small profit as I can't see much good coming from interest payments at a rate of 16,25%.
ss4_goku
Premier League
Re: Manchester United Supporters Thread.
Watching the champions league game, and the commentators made a very interesting point about this Rooney's request to leave. In comparison to Ronaldo's request to leave, SAF kept it under wraps to the best of his ability and tried his best in insisting and persuading Ronaldo to stay (he did it for a long time...almost a year i believe?). And now for Rooney...if the request was on August 14, then its just 2 months, and SAF didn't just keep it under wraps, but he came out and told the whole story to everyone...
Do you think there's some difference in there, or how maybe SAF has made up his mind that its ok to part ways with Rooney, compared to Ronaldo?
and to those that are watching the match...is there something wrong with the pitch or people's boots? They're all falling and slipping so often...Some led to dangerous counter attacks for either side...
Watching the champions league game, and the commentators made a very interesting point about this Rooney's request to leave. In comparison to Ronaldo's request to leave, SAF kept it under wraps to the best of his ability and tried his best in insisting and persuading Ronaldo to stay (he did it for a long time...almost a year i believe?). And now for Rooney...if the request was on August 14, then its just 2 months, and SAF didn't just keep it under wraps, but he came out and told the whole story to everyone...
Do you think there's some difference in there, or how maybe SAF has made up his mind that its ok to part ways with Rooney, compared to Ronaldo?
and to those that are watching the match...is there something wrong with the pitch or people's boots? They're all falling and slipping so often...Some led to dangerous counter attacks for either side...