my point was that there IS a limit to how much a team is willing to pay for certain players based on what they will bring to the team which is, what Alucard would say as a player's football ability... obviously from your statements you find signing Crouch for 50million is, as you put it... an extremely unlikely, situation... why? why would it be an extremely unlikely situation? because you lot don't value his football ability as proven by Alucard's statement of "he is not someone we want or need", in which case the cost of his transfer DOES relate to a player's football ability... as also proven by my previous question of Ronaldinho or Hargreaves...
You are getting confused here again. The reason I mentioned football ability is because for example 20million on a midfileder is not going to mean he is as good or going to put in the same performances as someone like Ronaldinho who would cost the same. Of course players ability,age and requirements is going to come into it when a club takes interest in a certain player. The point is how much it is going to take the get that player from the club which involves negotiations. If there was a fixed price based soley on a players ffootball ability on the pitch and how he is going to be compared to someone else who cost the same price, then there would not be any negotiations between the clubs of much they are willing to pay. You seem to think that a player who cost 20million must perform like every other player who cost the same amount, i.e your comparison to Hargreaves with Ronaldinho,RVN and Rooney.
now read ur own statement over about how you think Hargreaves is worth 15million... why would you come up with a number like 15million? was it based on the player's ability? or was it because that's how much u feel like handing out to Bayern like Alucard suggests? because obviously you're not getting Hargreaves with 15million...
How do you think bids are formulated? Do you think that the club wanting to buy the player looks at some imaginary stats then says he is worth x amount, then Bayern look at it and accept the bid? Its always going to change due to different circumstances and the fact is there is no true worth of a player, nobody knows how much a player will cost. Bayern Munich are a big club and only a big offer is going to tempt them to accept as they do not need or want to sell. That has nothing to do with Hargreaves ability on the pitch but rather Bayerns valuation of the player and how far we United are willling to go to get that player. A couple of seasons back when his contract was running out we could of got him alot cheaper, does not mean he is a a average player ability wise because we would have spent less? No it means that because his contract was running out, Bayern would have needed to sell the player and at a reasonable price to attract buyers, otherwise he would leave on a free. Different circumstances, different prices.
my whole point is that these transfer fees ARE relative to a player's football ability... i understand that the transfer fees are used just to pry the players away from their respective clubs, but why choose a number like 20million? if Bayern really wanted to just gouge ManU in terms of transfer fees why not make ManU pay 50million for Hargreaves? would you pay 50million for Hargreaves?
The money paid for a player is not a true reflection of a players ability, is that so hard to understand? Bayern would not raise it to 50million because its a unrealistic figure and would simply inflate the transfer market.
If teams had to buy midfielders for 40-50million then I'm sure they would make us pay that amount because that would have been the standard price in the market. For example back in 1999-2003 players were going for silly money and most big clubs had to pay the same large sum for players. Mendieta from Velencia to Lazip 28million, Vieri Lazio to Inter 31million. CrespoParma -Lazio 36million. Figo to Barcelona-Real Madrid 37million. Man Utd had to pay Lazio 28million for Veron in that period, Rio went for 30million from leeds. If you look in this period of time, many midfielders who play for big clubs have gone for around 18-20million. Diarra Lyon to Real Madrid 18million, Essien to Chelsea-24million. You cannot tell me any of those plyers is worth those extortionate figures based on their football ability its just the amount a player cost to prise them away from their club and relates to the transfer market. If any of those players played for a smaller club maybe those prices would not come up so high and a player would cost 10million. If they are lower in price does not necessarily mean they are any less of a player than someone who cost double that
all i'm saying is to me, 20million is too much for a role player when you guys are already atop of the table... this will most likely be the most expensive signing before summer... what makes it seem desperate is because it's coming from the current points leader... you're not a team with large glaring holes to fill like Chelsea was with their keeper situation a little bit ago... why such an expensive move? is it really necessary? it seems like a hasty move considering Bayern seems to be suggesting that they are more willing to make the move during the summer...
Maybe we can wait till the summer maybe we cannot, but its better if we get him now just to make sure we are covered appropriately. If carrick or scholes gets injured we only have fletcher as a genuine cover for central midfielder. Anything can happen in a short space of time where a few injuries can hit us and the next thing you know we are having to play players out of position. Look at cheslea, no one predicted they would have a injury crisis and most people thought their team was well equipped, most pundits tipped them to win the title over the likes of United,arsenal and liverpool for their supposedly superior strength in depth in their squad. Another thing is we don't have a real defensive midfielder, Carrick can play there yes, but in my opinion he is more of central midfielder like scholes who gets forward and creates openings. 20million is alot of money but that is how much he is going to cost if we want him, its that simple. If we win titles and he plays well in his position, the price will be forgotten. Why are you so concerned about the price anyway?