Manchester United Thread

[RuneEdge]

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Oh yeah, we'll beat Arsenal......

...and then lose to another weak team. :roll:
I'd rather lose to the tough team and beat the weak one. Atleast it wont be embaressing.
I bet a new manager could motivate our team enough to steam roll over ALL teams...

 

[Alucard]

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^^ Well when was the last time we lost to a weak team in premiership? Sure we have drawn matches but thats normal when playing in the league. I dont get why you want new manager so much. Still if we do get new manager and he makes big changes and undos all the work SAF has done you still and still no silverware you gonna be satisfied? What if we get new boss like capello,hitzfield or others you have in mind and they bring in all foriegners and disregard our youth players you gonna be happy then?

Imo SAF has made big mistakes in last few years but for the amount of success he has bought to the club he deserves to be able to put them right. The team we have now is very bright and i dont think a new manager would be able to make huge difference upon the team. The only thing a new manager may add, is a better eye in the transfer market. But who says the new manager players will fit into the team or culture depending where he is from.

 

[Revan]

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The choices of fergie in the last couple of years concerning the midfield have been horrible. and this year... Not having a couple of DMF's on the team is bad enough, but not having a single one? The failures that were Kleberson, Alan Smith in the midfield, hell Kleberson would be doing a good job now looking at how things are. ManUts lacks midifielders, and I won't even get to the point of saying quality midfielders looking to how the midfield is now.

 

[RuneEdge]

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^^ Well when was the last time we lost to a weak team in premiership? Sure we have drawn matches but thats normal when playing in the league. I dont get why you want new manager so much. Still if we do get new manager and he makes big changes and undos all the work SAF has done you still and still no silverware you gonna be satisfied? What if we get new boss like capello,hitzfield or others you have in mind and they bring in all foriegners and disregard our youth players you gonna be happy then?

Imo SAF has made big mistakes in last few years but for the amount of success he has bought to the club he deserves to be able to put them right. The team we have now is very bright and i dont think a new manager would be able to make huge difference upon the team. The only thing a new manager may add, is a better eye in the transfer market. But who says the new manager players will fit into the team or culture depending where he is from.

First of all, what makes you think another manager would simply bring players from their home nation? Not all managers do that. Especially if they already have the players that they need. Look at Mourinho. He still likes the occasional portugese lad but only in positions that he needs and doesnt really give them a higher priority over other members of the squad, unlike Fergie (Fletcher?) And besides, what makes you think signing players from their home nation is a bad thing? IMO it means you get to have a stronger luring power for better players from that country. By being able to speak that player's home language, you are in a better position to convince that player to join you. Just look at Arsenal and the players they got, Henry, Vieira, Pires, etc. And you say this new manager wouldnt wouldnt give our youngesters a chance because of his foreign players invading? In case you didnt know, not all of our youth team is english nowadays.
And why is not being able to fit into the culture a problem? I want a new manager, not because he can adapt to the team, but because he would bring his own NEW style to the team. The fact is that the traditional english style which we STILL use today is too predictable. The best teams have good european managers. Look at what Liverpool and Chelsea recently acheived under their new mangers in a short amount of time, Look at what improvement Spurs have made. I want to see this at our club too. Not the same crap we've been seeing for years.

You and all the rest of the blind people here who think Sir Alex should stay simply because of his past success are wrong. Why should someone continue to do what he does because many many years ago, he won something that not many teams can do today? You cant judge someone on their past success. Look at what they are currently doing. With your logic, wouldnt it be wise to convince Maradona to come out of retirement and play for us? I mean,I know he's old but he was once a good player and deserves a chance to get back to his best, right? :roll:

In case you've forgetten, we're losing out on a lot of money from our recent failures and with the Glazer takeover, we're quickly running out of time before we possibly go into administration. I dont care if Sir Alex thinks we could possibly do it in another 2 or 3 years when our team is much older. We need results RIGHT NOW. And guys like Mourinho and Benitez are living proof that one manager can turn things around for us.

 

[Milanista]

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*claps*

 

[beachryan]

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I'm all for united improving, and certainly there are real questions around the midfield, but at the same time is a change at this point a really good idea? I think its a bit dangerous, and we have more ot lose than gain, unless you're of the opinion united aren't succeeding unless they're winning the prem, which tbh, no coach could accomplish against chelski at the moment.

Plus, keep in mind United aren't exactly playing terribly. They were never a team that won every game, upsets always lurked in their schedules. Fine Chelski have been better than anyone else, but compare United's record with years psat, its not bad at all. If Benfica hadn't deflected a shot in off the post then no-one would be talking like this.

Say we get a new manager, and he doesn't like half the players currently here. We have to wait to the summer to hopefully sign his new choices, many of whom will presumably be playing in the prem for the first time. You'll have half a team that have never played together, and need a year to adjust. Meanwhile players like Rooney and Ronaldo will be even more frustrated as they'll have to completely change the system, and at hte same time Ruud and Scholes will be nearing the end of their careers. So we'll have a team with presumably, Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo as definites, and who knows who else.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Oh god. Another Fergie lover. :roll:

I'm all for united improving, and certainly there are real questions around the midfield, but at the same time is a change at this point a really good idea?

If you dont want any changes, would you be happy if things stayed the way they are forever?

I think its a bit dangerous, and we have more ot lose than gain, unless you're of the opinion united aren't succeeding unless they're winning the prem, which tbh, no coach could accomplish against chelski at the moment.

We won nothing last season. If you call that succeeding, I guess all 19 other Premiership teams are succeeding too. :roll:

Plus, keep in mind United aren't exactly playing terribly. They were never a team that won every game, upsets always lurked in their schedules. Fine Chelski have been better than anyone else, but compare United's record with years psat, its not bad at all.

Just cuz our past history is better than Chelsea's history, it doesnt make the present any better. :roll:

If Benfica hadn't deflected a shot in off the post then no-one would be talking like this.

Why are we the only ones with the "bad luck"? Surely if it was luck, it would affect Chelsea at some point too.

Say we get a new manager, and he doesn't like half the players currently here. We have to wait to the summer to hopefully sign his new choices, many of whom will presumably be playing in the prem for the first time.

First of all, why wouldnt he like half of the players here? And did Sir Alex think about the time it would take van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Silvestre, Heinze, Park, Howard, Solskjaer, etc to adjust before signing them? :roll:

You'll have half a team that have never played together, and need a year to adjust.

Who said we'd buy half a team in one season? We arent Chelsea.

Meanwhile players like Rooney and Ronaldo will be even more frustrated as they'll have to completely change the system,

They had no problem switching between 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. What else could any new manager possibly use that would be too hard for the players to adjust to? 4-1-2-1-2?

and at hte same time Ruud and Scholes will be nearing the end of their careers. So we'll have a team with presumably, Ferdinand, Rooney, Ronaldo as definites, and who knows who else.

So what happens if Sir Alex stays? Will those players start to age slower or something?:roll:

 

[rockykabir]

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wow....talk about dismantling a statement...:shock:

 

[RuneEdge]

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Maybe I should be the manager...

 

[gomito#10]

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Just watched the bolton match, whoever the manager is he will have two of the best young players in the world in rooney and ronaldo. they both looked VERY good against bolton, ronaldo needs to keep this form.....

 

[RuneEdge]

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Hopefully it was just a bad spell for Ronaldo.
If he can get back to his best, I think we're back in business. Until then, we still need that little bit extra to make our attack too strong to resist.

 

[lumlum]

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We won nothing last season. If you call that succeeding, I guess all 19 other Premiership teams are succeeding too.

I can't believe you're actually using this against Fergie? Did you actually see how we played in the FA Cup Final?
And in the premiership we very very unlucky, I think we smashed the crossbar more than any team that year (and we actually did have the most shots on target that season). And that was despite playing basically without anymore than one striker at a time. (remember Fergie saying "Maybe I should've been the striker this season" :lol: )

The fact is that the traditional english style which we STILL use today is too predictable. The best teams have good european managers.

I think you are making a huge meal out of this "predictable tatics" thing. If other teams were scoring goals by switching play to exploit our 'predictable' tactics then I'd understand, but most goals we've conceded have been someone taking a long range shot a then having deflecting off Silvestre's leftmost leg hair and going into goal. Or perhaps it was one of those goals where the most expensive defender in the world suddenly had the skills of Bob Saget and decided it was more fun to not mark people. Most of the goals we've conceded have been from silly mistakes, I honestly can't see how our tactics this season have had anything to do with it, what I can see is how our tactics have given us some of our best attacking football in recent years.
Oh, and go back and see the goals we conceded in Europe and tell me those were because of bad tactics.
The only thing we need to change are the back two, well one of them definately needs to go.

 

[phrase]

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#10324 was perhaps one of Rune's best post ever.Right on the money.Cant wait to beat Arsenal and put the final nail to end their misery tomorrow night.We should beat them,I'd say 1-3.

Sidenote,we are linked to 2 of the current most exciting french prospects.We wanted to get Patrice Evra at the beginning of last season but he didnt want to leave as Monaco was flying high in the french league and the champions league.This season has been a different ball game for Monaco and he wants out.Franck Ribery is a gem.Operates well on both wings or through the middle.Reminds me of Ronaldo actually but I've seen him play a couple of times and he's smarter with the ball than our Portugese prodigy.I've said this before,the only downside to Ribery is that,he look like Mr Frankenstein .

We should definitely get these two players as they would provide some stiff competition and provide depth to our team.

RIBERY VIDEO.

 

[lumlum]

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If we do actually win by that margin, you can bet the score sheet will have 3 R's in it.

I haven't seen Ribery play, but he sounds like he'd be great addition to our squad. Especially seeing as our last few targets were hijacked, we'll be needing talented signings for some of the positions that need better cover.

 

[lumlum]

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BTW, I just read that Chris Eagles return "after a successful loan spell" at Skysports. Any see him play on loan or got any info? Could he be useful for us in the Prem?

Also, Obi Mikel was set to join us in the January transfer window, are Chelsea still persuing him? After his comments I don't really care about him joining United, but he bettter not go for free since we've actually legally signed him.

 

[Alucard]

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First of all, what makes you think another manager would simply bring players from their home nation? Not all managers do that. Especially if they already have the players that they need. Look at Mourinho. He still likes the occasional portugese lad but only in positions that he needs and doesnt really give them a higher priority over other members of the squad, unlike Fergie (Fletcher?) And besides, what makes you think signing players from their home nation is a bad thing? IMO it means you get to have a stronger luring power for better players from that country. By being able to speak that player's home language, you are in a better position to convince that player to join you. Just look at Arsenal and the players they got, Henry, Vieira, Pires, etc. And you say this new manager wouldnt wouldnt give our youngesters a chance because of his foreign players invading? In case you didnt know, not all of our youth team is english nowadays.
And why is not being able to fit into the culture a problem? I want a new manager, not because he can adapt to the team, but because he would bring his own NEW style to the team. The fact is that the traditional english style which we STILL use today is too predictable. The best teams have good european managers. Look at what Liverpool and Chelsea recently acheived under their new mangers in a short amount of time, Look at what improvement Spurs have made. I want to see this at our club too. Not the same crap we've been seeing for years.

You and all the rest of the blind people here who think Sir Alex should stay simply because of his past success are wrong. Why should someone continue to do what he does because many many years ago, he won something that not many teams can do today? You cant judge someone on their past success. Look at what they are currently doing. With your logic, wouldnt it be wise to convince Maradona to come out of retirement and play for us? I mean,I know he's old but he was once a good player and deserves a chance to get back to his best, right? :roll:

In case you've forgetten, we're losing out on a lot of money from our recent failures and with the Glazer takeover, we're quickly running out of time before we possibly go into administration. I dont care if Sir Alex thinks we could possibly do it in another 2 or 3 years when our team is much older. We need results RIGHT NOW. And guys like Mourinho and Benitez are living proof that one manager can turn things around for us.

I wasnt saying those things i mentioned were defintley going to happen.They were only suggestion of the bad things that could happen if new manager came in. Do you seriously think we are going to appoint the right man for the job straight away? The guy who will do a mourinho or benetiz or martin jol is what you have in mind right. How many new managers did liverpool tottenham and chelsea have to go through to find the right boss. Probably atleast 3. If this new boss goes through his own ideas and bringing in his own new team but then goes a season without trophy, people wont be able to see what he is trying to accomplish and then pple like you will call for his head.

You say your not bothered by culture difference as long as the tactics a re new. So if we get say cappello and say maybe (not will as im only suggesting)he brings in all laid back itallian players, thats all good right.As for judging on past success i am only saying that fergie should be given time to complete his squad. i have never ever said fergie deserves to stay in charge no matter what because of his success over the years. The fact of the matter is we only gone one season without a trophy since the premiership began.

All im saying is fergie deserves another season at least to put things right as clearly the squad isnt complete and you cant expect major things to happen with squad we have now and SAF knows that so why not give it another season before throwin your toys out of the pram. As i said before Arsenal are struggling badly and havnt won premiership in two season and for first team ever since wenger took over they are in danger of finishing outside the top two. Now wenger made mistake in selling Vieira and im sure he knows that. Do you see arsenal supporters calling for his head? no and to some degree is that based on pass success? yes.
Your maradona comment was stupid and irrelevent at trying to insult my intelligence. Im not blind for wanting fergie to stay to finish what he started and thats buying the rest of his players he needs. It seems more logical than just saying, look what chelsea,liverpool and tottenham are doing and saying oh now we need a new european boss and he will win all matches against the small teams and he will bring in all the best players from his country like wenger did. Yeah and all the glory days will be back in Manchester forever!

Your thinking about us losing drastic amounts of money, sure we lost a bit of money going out of CL but nothing we cant make back with getting into facup and league cup final. I be more worried if we were sitting in 6th place but we are in second with like half of the remaining season to go.

 

[Alucard]

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Oh god. Another Fergie lover. :roll:

Noone here is 'Fergie lover' just cuz we dont want new manager yet. well i certaintly dont. Beachryan post was well said and i fully agree with him as thats how i see things at the moment.

If you dont want any changes, would you be happy if things stayed the way they are forever?

Your comment here makes no sense. Things are not staying the same forever, we have bought a defender and fergie has promised 3 more signings.

We won nothing last season. If you call that succeeding, I guess all 19 other Premiership teams are succeeding too. :roll:

Because we won nothing one season sack everybody right?

Just cuz our past history is better than Chelsea's history, it doesnt make the present any better. :roll:

No one said it was

Why are we the only ones with the "bad luck"? Surely if it was luck, it would affect Chelsea at some point too.

'We arent Chelsea', isnt that what you said :roll: lol

First of all, why wouldnt he like half of the players here? And did Sir Alex think about the time it would take van Nistelrooy, Ronaldo, Silvestre, Heinze, Park, Howard, Solskjaer, etc to adjust before signing them? :roll:


Who said we'd buy half a team in one season? We arent Chelsea.
But surely it would effect us at some point right?


They had no problem switching between 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. What else could any new manager possibly use that would be too hard for the players to adjust to? 4-1-2-1-2?


Yeah and we saw some great results when we played 4-5-1/4-3-3 right. im sure it was you and me complaining abouth those systems until SAF changed it back to 4-4-2 whihch is what your seeing now and beating teams 3-0,4-0.


So what happens if Sir Alex stays? Will those players start to age slower or something?:roll:

Imo judging from your posts, your just fed up of not wining the premiership and tired of seeing chelsea win things and be top team in england and you think we have to copy them to be successful again. And you want that glory back because your not used to being supporter without it. I told you before many top clubs cant be best team forever, there is always a bad period for any top club. AC milan, Real madrid,Barcelona and juventus all clubs which have gone long periods not top club in their country. As players get old you have to replace them and its trial and error process you just have to be patient and see what happens. Changing coachs when things dont work out a season or two isnt always the answer.

Read quote to see my responses. Sorry i cant do the fancy stuff yet lol.

 

[lumlum]

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That's a tad confusing to read. I did read it though.

 

[Alucard]

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#10324 was perhaps one of Rune's best post ever.Right on the money.Cant wait to beat Arsenal and put the final nail to end their misery tomorrow night.We should beat them,I'd say 1-3.

Sidenote,we are linked to 2 of the current most exciting french prospects.We wanted to get Patrice Evra at the beginning of last season but he didnt want to leave as Monaco was flying high in the french league and the champions league.This season has been a different ball game for Monaco and he wants out.Franck Ribery is a gem.Operates well on both wings or through the middle.Reminds me of Ronaldo actually but I've seen him play a couple of times and he's smarter with the ball than our Portugese prodigy.I've said this before,the only downside to Ribery is that,he look like Mr Frankenstein .

We should definitely get these two players as they would provide some stiff competition and provide depth to our team.

RIBERY VIDEO.

Yeah i know much about evra he is quality strong player no doubt. Not heard much of ribery but do know he looks like frankenstein lol. just saw the video and wow he is a must buy! If we get those two players ill be very very happy.

 

[beachryan]

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Wow, its easy to pick apart an arguement that's all hypothetical when all you present are hypothetical responses. Yes its true, we could get a new manager and hte players could all rally around his revolutionary new tactics and we could go undefeated for the rest of the season and chelsea could drop 11 points. Will that happen? I don't know. What I do know is that Ferguson has proven himself as a manager who can design and build a team that will succeed, and he's not finished yet. Give him his one year to complete his young team, and let him bow out on his terms.

Btw, Chelsea have only dropped 5 points all season. You go find me a coach that could match that at United. You won't, its phenomenal. As for us winning no silverware last year, great point, if we'd had another coach I'm sure we would have won against arsenal in the FA cup, cause we played so badly and all...

I'm all for United being rihgt up there with Chelsea, but sometimes you just hvae to admit that what they're doing is simply uncatchable. No other team in europe is close to their record in domestic leagues, I mean what do you want?

Maybe sign Mourinho?

 

[beachryan]

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Ribery might be a bit lightweight for the prem i fear. Is he right footed or left footed? Gotta say the prospect of he and ronaldo would be terrifying for defenses to have to deal with, and tehy could keep switching sides. Imagine a counterattack with those two and rooney!

Anyone ever seen Vidic playing? I trust he's going to be uncompromising, really through himself about which is just what Silvestre isn't. Maybe it'll also allow Ferdinand to venture up a bit more, as he can actually trust his other CB.

After having watched a bunch of recent Arsenal matches, I cacn honestly say if we don't beat them it will be an upset. Unless Henry single handedly takes us down, they don't look very dangerous at all. And without Gilberto they lack a strong defensive midfielder, whcih I'm sure rooney and scholes will be all to happy to show them. My only worry is that the ref will be a bit harsh, as its at highbury and the arsenal players will certanily make the most of any challenges, in particular from rooney/smith...

 

[Milanista]

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I'm all for United being rihgt up there with Chelsea, but sometimes you just hvae to admit that what they're doing is simply uncatchable. No other team in europe is close to their record in domestic leagues, I mean what do you want?

Actually, Juve have won 15 games out of 17, drawn 1 and lost 1 this season.

 

[lumlum]

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I'm all for United being rihgt up there with Chelsea, but sometimes you just hvae to admit that what they're doing is simply uncatchable. No other team in europe is close to their record in domestic leagues, I mean what do you want?

Maybe sign Mourinho?

He already said anyone (literally anyone, apearantly) but Fergie. He believes that he's the cause of our problems. Way too harsh imho.

 

[beachryan]

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Wow - Milanista, sorry had no idea Juve were dominating that much, my mistake, I was thinking more of how quality Barca are, but they've still dropped a bunch of points, my bad!

 

[Milanista]

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We're kinda in the same boat as United, Inter, Milan and Fiorentina are 8,9,10 points behind Juve who wont lose. Only Milan beat them, but lost or tied against smaller teams, much like United beating Chelsea but not Birmingham.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Read quote to see my responses. Sorry i cant do the fancy stuff yet lol.

To make it easier, put what you said in bold when you write in between what I wrote.

Oh god. Another Fergie lover.
Noone here is 'Fergie lover' just cuz we dont want new manager yet. well i certaintly dont. Beachryan post was well said and i fully agree with him as thats how i see things at the moment.

Do we have a good team of players? Yes we do. Are we performing like the team we look like? No we arent. So who do you blame for this? You cant blame the players cuz they've proven how good they are for their countries too. So common sense would tell you that you should be blaming the manager.

If you dont want any changes, would you be happy if things stayed the way they are forever?
Your comment here makes no sense. Things are not staying the same forever, we have bought a defender and fergie has promised 3 more signings.

We said the same things at the start of last season when we bought Heinze, Rooney, Smith, etc. And what happened? We finished off worse than we did the season before. :roll: So what do we do now? Buy another player worth £60million this time? Cuz the large amount of money spent last season didnt even do the job.

We won nothing last season. If you call that succeeding, I guess all 19 other Premiership teams are succeeding too.
Because we won nothing one season sack everybody right?

So other than last season, you've been happy in winning only the FA Cup in recent years?

Just cuz our past history is better than Chelsea's history, it doesnt make the present any better.
No one said it was

Then why did you even mention and compare our past with theirs and say ours has been better? COmparing the past nowadays seems to be the only defensive arguement all Man Utd fans use. Its pathetic.

Why are we the only ones with the "bad luck"? Surely if it was luck, it would affect Chelsea at some point too.
'We arent Chelsea', isnt that what you said lol

So unless you're Chelsea, you cant avoid "bad luck"? :roll:

They had no problem switching between 4-5-1, 4-4-2 and 4-3-3. What else could any new manager possibly use that would be too hard for the players to adjust to? 4-1-2-1-2?
Yeah and we saw some great results when we played 4-5-1/4-3-3 right. im sure it was you and me complaining abouth those systems until SAF changed it back to 4-4-2 whihch is what your seeing now and beating teams 3-0,4-0.

Do you even remember the point of this arguement? I'm pointing out that we used so many systems, it wouldnt be hard to adapt to a new manager.

So what happens if Sir Alex stays? Will those players start to age slower or something?
Imo judging from your posts, your just fed up of not wining the premiership and tired of seeing chelsea win things and be top team in england and you think we have to copy them to be successful again. And you want that glory back because your not used to being supporter without it. I told you before many top clubs cant be best team forever, there is always a bad period for any top club. AC milan, Real madrid,Barcelona and juventus all clubs which have gone long periods not top club in their country. As players get old you have to replace them and its trial and error process you just have to be patient and see what happens. Changing coachs when things dont work out a season or two isnt always the answer.

You're a bit confused. When teams go through a bad period for over a couple of seasons, its simply because they werent good enough for the time. But we ARE good enough. In fact, I look at the squad we got and think we can rip apart any team that gets in our way. Look at our attack. Its young, talented, we have arguably THE best goal scorer, THE best young player on the planet and a player who is potentially one of the best wingers in Europe. Yet we dont perform as well as we could.
Teams play bad because their hands are tied and they cant do anything about it. We on the other hand CAN do something about it but arent doing it.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Wait people, theres more...

Wow, its easy to pick apart an arguement that's all hypothetical when all you present are hypothetical responses.

:lol: YOU are the only one with hypothetical responses. What I said was pure facts.

Yes its true, we could get a new manager and hte players could all rally around his revolutionary new tactics and we could go undefeated for the rest of the season and chelsea could drop 11 points. Will that happen? I don't know.

I never said I knew either. But I'm saying its worth getting a new manager to find out. I mean, we won nothing last season. If we got a bad coach, the individual players in our squad are still good enough to finish 3rd in the league which btw is all we acheieved last season. So considering recent seasons, we havent got much to lose.

What I do know is that Ferguson has proven himself as a manager who can design and build a team that will succeed, and he's not finished yet. Give him his one year to complete his young team, and let him bow out on his terms.

He did that ONCE before in the past. When people say he has created many teams is a load of BS. I give him credit for bringing up stars like Giggs and Beckham but to rely on them for over a friggin' decade? I dont call that proof of being able to create a team. He only did it once and many can use that and argue that he possibly got lucky with it.

Btw, Chelsea have only dropped 5 points all season. You go find me a coach that could match that at United. You won't, its phenomenal.

You're right, I probably wont find someone to match that. But can Sir Alex match it? HELL NO! And are there better coaches out there than Sir Alex? HELL YES! We've have the luxury of having so many great players. Yet we still cant get the job done. But on the other hand, Look at what Oto Rehagel did with a bunch of nobodies. Look at what Rafa Benitez won with, lets be honest, a team that on paper probably wouldnt even make the knockout stages of the CL. There are many managers out there that have the ability but never given the right stage and opportunity to show it. I mean, at one point, Mourinho was like one of these guys too when he was at FC Porto where he also had a bunch of unrecognisable stars.
At the end of the day, Jose Mourinho is only human. If you think theres noone out there that can get the better of him then I'd have to question your intelligence. It can be done but we just dont have the right man to do it.

As for us winning no silverware last year, great point, if we'd had another coach I'm sure we would have won against arsenal in the FA cup, cause we played so badly and all...

Only playing well doesnt get you anywhere, mate. Thats simply not good enough. You need the result not the performance. A lot of teams succeed with that philosophy. Would you be happy if we finished 6th in the league but played brilliantly in every single game? Of course you wont. We've had too many games where we were the better team but the result didnt show it. And its about time we changed that.

I'm all for United being rihgt up there with Chelsea, but sometimes you just hvae to admit that what they're doing is simply uncatchable. No other team in europe is close to their record in domestic leagues, I mean what do you want?

Maybe sign Mourinho?

Is Mourinho some kind of god? Cuz if everyone thought the way you did, all our players and staff would have packed there bags and never turned up for their games. :roll:
Mourinho himself is living proof that a team can be that good. So why do you think theres no one else out there that can do it? I bet you that even someone like Benitez would have pushed our team to within 2-3 points of Chelsea by now.

 

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Ribery might be a bit lightweight for the prem i fear. Is he right footed or left footed? Gotta say the prospect of he and ronaldo would be terrifying for defenses to have to deal with, and tehy could keep switching sides. Imagine a counterattack with those two and rooney!

Anyone ever seen Vidic playing? I trust he's going to be uncompromising, really through himself about which is just what Silvestre isn't. Maybe it'll also allow Ferdinand to venture up a bit more, as he can actually trust his other CB.

After having watched a bunch of recent Arsenal matches, I cacn honestly say if we don't beat them it will be an upset. Unless Henry single handedly takes us down, they don't look very dangerous at all. And without Gilberto they lack a strong defensive midfielder, whcih I'm sure rooney and scholes will be all to happy to show them. My only worry is that the ref will be a bit harsh, as its at highbury and the arsenal players will certanily make the most of any challenges, in particular from rooney/smith...

You see how fast and quick with his feet ribery guy is? You dont need to have much strength to be winger, when you got tricks and pace like what he has got then your already ahead. He is only 22 i think. As i said him and evra IN our team would be looking very good. Oh yeah he is both footed. Im not gonna get my hopes up just yet because at the moment its only speculation. Hopefully it will materialise into a transfer agreement this january as i defintley think he can succeed in england. I just remembered him tearing england apart in france under 21 match.

As for vidic he is suppose to be very aggressive. Silvestre i think can do good job on left back when SAF finally decides to put him back there instead of playing him centre all the time where he isnt comfortable.

 

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To make it easier, put what you said in bold when you write in between what I wrote.


Do we have a good team of players? Yes we do. Are we performing like the team we look like? No we arent. So who do you blame for this? You cant blame the players cuz they've proven how good they are for their countries too. So common sense would tell you that you should be blaming the manager.

Yes we do have good team. And yes we are perforiming like the team we look like. We wouldnt have one CL if we had of qualified because i dont think the team you see now is complete. Its good but it isnt finished. 2nd place is good. But How you seen how many defensive midfielders we have? None.

We said the same things at the start of last season when we bought Heinze, Rooney, Smith, etc. And what happened? We finished off worse than we did the season before. :roll: So what do we do now? Buy another player worth £60million this time? Cuz the large amount of money spent last season didnt even do the job.

hmm so rooney didnt change anything, heinze didnt make no difference to the team? and smith has done nothing?

So other than last season, you've been happy in winning only the FA Cup in recent years?

We last won the premiership in 2003 thats like two seasons ago and in between those seasons,arsenal and chelsea have won. Im not happy about that but i aint gonna start calling for big changes. If you cant handle your team not winning every season i think you should just spectate and support whoevers wins what tropies at the end of the season

Then why did you even mention and compare our past with theirs and say ours has been better? COmparing the past nowadays seems to be the only defensive arguement all Man Utd fans use. Its pathetic.

When did i compare our history to chelsea's?
And your moaning saying look how good chelsea,liverpool are isnt pathetic right?

So unless you're Chelsea, you cant avoid "bad luck"? :roll:

You cant expect us to go season without drawing or losing a single match with the squad we have in place.

Do you even remember the point of this arguement? I'm pointing out that we used so many systems, it wouldnt be hard to adapt to a new manager.

Our argument was how those systems isolated RVN and having rooney play on the left just didnt work.


You're a bit confused. When teams go through a bad period for over a couple of seasons, its simply because they werent good enough for the time. But we ARE good enough. In fact, I look at the squad we got and think we can rip apart any team that gets in our way. Look at our attack. Its young, talented, we have arguably THE best goal scorer, THE best young player on the planet and a player who is potentially one of the best wingers in Europe. Yet we dont perform as well as we could.
Teams play bad because their hands are tied and they cant do anything about it. We on the other hand CAN do something about it but arent doing it.

Again have you looked at the amount of defensive midfielders we have? I dont think our team we have now is good enough espcially through midfield and at the back which SAF buying players to correct.

 

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So thats the only excuse left? No defensive midfielder. So if we get someone like Gravesen, would that be enough blame Fergie if we still failed to show anything?