Manchester United Thread

[Alucard]

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Go and re-read my posts again where did I say:

1. It was a blatent penalty. (I said it was more blatent than the one you got against us last season).
2. You put in a bad performance. (I said your team was the worst Utd team I had seen for a few years).

You really still don't get it do you? I have a dig at United and all you can do is slag off Arsenal. I know we have problems but the biggest problem for both of us at the moment is Chelsea. They are way better than both of us. United need to improve to challenge, surely that is obvious!!

I still think that compared to your teams of 1993-4, 1996-7, 1999-2001, the current team is nowhere near that level and needs major overhaul. Players like Fletcher, Park, O'Shea, Smith, Saha aren't good enough. Only people who are not blinded by the United light as much as you are can surely see that.

BTW grow up and stop having cheap shots at Wenger. Its old hat, its boring and just proves how immature you are.

Well last season rooneys penalty was blatant so i guess you were saying it was blatant. Campbell made no contact with the ball and rooney looked as if he fell over his leg so you cant blame referre for giving him pk. G.Neville on other had got a piece of the ball and we all know about reyes theatricals.

2) I done you told our team isnt worst than last years and you already said all we were doing were shooting long balls up the pit, which is suggesting we had bad performance. Im sure if we beat you last night you come here saying shit like you were robbed, or we cheated, its always some snipe or excuse from arsenal fans.

Those players you mentioned all have a place and role to play in the united team. They may not be world class but they are not bad players. I know we must improve im not denying that, but you coming on here saying we need major surgery and wenger looks to rebuild another great side but not us seems bit of joke to me.

I only took shot at wenger in response to your ridiclous comment about fergie should of retired years ago. If we had some else right now you'd probably come up with saying 'oh your missing fergie he shouldnt of retired'. You call me immature but you dont even know me :lol: you dont sound much older then 10.

 

[Clockender]

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you dont sound much older then 10.

:lmao:

 

[Alucard]

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your so wrong, ronaldo was our only player to cause danger to arsenal all game, how many free kicks did he create? A lot, he put in a brilliant cross to giggs, and giggsy wanked the shit out of it, he also put it a near post cross to ruud, but ruud got beaten... how about when he sprung neville, and n eville put that ball in, he had at least two or three shots deflected for corners, he miss was bad, very bad, but other then that, i think he played good, im not sure what game you watched, but it wasnt arsenal vs manu...

Boy i dont know what game you were watchin either because ronaldo done some stupid stuff. It wasnt his worst game but with all the possession he did have, he didnt make much use of it. It was only until late in the game he started delivering some decent crosses. First half he was just trigger happy.

 

[Alucard]

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:lmao:

Nothing left to say huh?

PS.thanks for editing out stupid comment

 

[Clockender]

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Well last season rooneys penalty was blatant :lol: so i guess you were saying it was blatant. Campbell made no contact with the ball

He also made no contact with Rooney! No pen!

I repeat what I said earlier, Fergie should have retired in 2002 when he had the chance.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Okay, so I'm looking at players we're linked to: Evra, Vidic, Ribery, Simao (I would have thought we'd of learned our lesson portugese wingers...just kidding!) - Am I the only one who thinks Fergie's still got his 'our centre of midfield is not a problem' tinted glasses on? The only thing I can think of is that he's either:
a) Going to introduce a revolutionary formation which has no one in the centre of the park, and all football is played amongst our 4 wingers
b) Going to try and get a big time signing come summer time

IMO, what Sir Alex is probably thinking is that we can score goals but let in too many compared to last season. So the perfect remedy would be to get some defenders. (imagine we get all the defenders you mentioned above and Heinze is back

Which to be fair, could probably work. Unlike last season, we arent getting 0-0 draws. We're drawing games cuz we're conceeding as many as we score. If we cut that out, we should be winning games atleast 2-0 on average. Thats what logic would tell you anyway.

 

[gomito#10]

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Boy i dont know what game you were watchin either because ronaldo done some stupid stuff. It wasnt his worst game but with all the possession he did have, he didnt make much use of it. It was only until late in the game he started delivering some decent crosses. First half he was just trigger happy.

well man you cant slag off the free kicks and corners he won, can you? those create chances, i.e. makes ronaldo dangerous, so for the couple of times he lost possesion he certainly made up for it in set kicks, corners, and his three good balls into the box, thats all im saying, you said he played horrible, i tottaly disagree...

 

[Clockender]

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Is that all you got to say for yourself after making ridiculous comments?

FFS they are only ridiculous comments to you. Its all about opinions isn't it? Just because I don't agree with you don't mean I am right. Don't mean I am wrong either.

In any case I was answering your ridiculous comment. Can you not keep on topic which is Man Utd's team and the fact they aren't the team they once were.

 

[matherto]

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neither are Arsenal....

 

[matherto]

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Patrice Evra's on strike until we buy him.....haha

 

[Alucard]

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FFS they are only ridiculous comments to you. Its all about opinions isn't it? Just because I don't agree with you don't mean I am right. Don't mean I am wrong either.

In any case I was answering your ridiculous comment. Can you not keep on topic which is Man Utd's team and the fact they aren't the team they once were.

You come here saying man utd arnt same team blah blah blah, which is obvious and slack off our performance which i think was good and you expect me not to question the things you say? If you came here and offered realistic anaylsis of the match i could talk football with you. But you want to talk about man utd history and teams of the past and say dumb things like our manager cant build another great team but wenger can but we are in 2nd positon and you are where?

You cant disagree with my posts you just defend yourself hopelessly. You should just admit you were wrong.

 

[Clockender]

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Alucard, fair comments indeed. You seem like a chap who knows his stuff about United buts thats about it. There is no way that we could ever have a conversation about about football, after 2 posts you would turn it into a slanging match.

I felt that last night United didn't play to their strengths at all, I mean come on, even you must admit that you can play better football than that? Hooking hopeful balls up to RVN is not the United way is it? This seemed to me to be your main tactic for 75 mins. In the last 15 you were on top no question and could have nicked it with better finishing. We could have nicked as well, I have seen pens given for a lot less.

My thoughts about Fergsuon stem from the time was said he was retiring and then he changed his mind. Fair play but what has changed since then, he's 4 years older and must be in his late 60's now. The nose is getting redder (must be the drink) and his judgement has got to suffer at that age. If he had retired in 2002 then he would have gone down as possibly the greatest manager in English football ever. The longer he goes on without winning anything tarnishes that. He should have retired at the top.

Oh and about you being so far ahead of us. Well lets wait until the end of the season shall we and see where we all are then. At least we need our passports again this season ha ha.

 

[RuneEdge]

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My thoughts about Fergsuon stem from the time was said he was retiring and then he changed his mind. Fair play but what has changed since then, he's 4 years older and must be in his late 60's now. The nose is getting redder (must be the drink) and his judgement has got to suffer at that age. If he had retired in 2002 then he would have gone down as possibly the greatest manager in English football ever. The longer he goes on without winning anything tarnishes that. He should have retired at the top.

Couldnt agree more. Whats sad is that the younger generation is not gonna remember him for his past achievements but instead as an average manager.

 

[Alucard]

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Alucard, fair comments indeed. You seem like a chap who knows his stuff about United buts thats about it. There is no way that we could ever have a conversation about about football, after 2 posts you would turn it into a slanging match.

I felt that last night United didn't play to their strengths at all, I mean come on, even you must admit that you can play better football than that? Hooking hopeful balls up to RVN is not the United way is it? This seemed to me to be your main tactic for 75 mins. In the last 15 you were on top no question and could have nicked it with better finishing. We could have nicked as well, I have seen pens given for a lot less.

My thoughts about Fergsuon stem from the time was said he was retiring and then he changed his mind. Fair play but what has changed since then, he's 4 years older and must be in his late 60's now. The nose is getting redder (must be the drink) and his judgement has got to suffer at that age. If he had retired in 2002 then he would have gone down as possibly the greatest manager in English football ever. The longer he goes on without winning anything tarnishes that. He should have retired at the top.

Oh and about you being so far ahead of us. Well lets wait until the end of the season shall we and see where we all are then. At least we need our passports again this season ha ha.

I think we could defintley have conversation about football probably not about arsenal or man utd though lol.

As i said before playing against opposition with 5 the middle is difficult to break down since it gets so crowded in the middle of park and its difficult to play along the ground since players are close together. I admit for that peroid it was frustrating to watch as we did have to resort to some long balls early on but that isnt our main game. United usually play on the ground football a bit like arsenal but use the wings more. Unfortunatly when our wingers got hold of position last night eg ronaldo, we didnt make the most of it. only in last 15 mins as you mentioned did we make something of our possesion. Arsenal didnt seem to do much neither except pass it around our box trying to pass or walk it in the net which was never gonna materialise. I never did disagree that a draw was fair result. Second half we went out there to win it and played decent football, i mean arsebal didnt exactly put out a weak team so i think the side we played done well as good as last years side just the finishing let us down.

As for Fergie he has indeed had very bad period and made stupid decisions in transfer market. But the important thing is he realises them which i think he has and does all he can to fix them. He went through long period of trying out different formation because he thought that would work for us better in europe and in premiership but after so long he found out it didnt work now he has gone back to original formation which has worked for this club best over the years. Those flop signings he made he has sold them off.
I dont blame him one second for not retiring, because had he retired he would have questions flooding his mind on whether he should of continued or not. Had someone else took over club back then and we were struggling, people would be calling for Fergie to come back so it works both ways.

Your right about waiting until end of season no doubt but we are no way doing badly for ourselves in the league and only need a few additions to our squad.

 

[gomito#10]

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Alucard, fair comments indeed. You seem like a chap who knows his stuff about United buts thats about it. There is no way that we could ever have a conversation about about football, after 2 posts you would turn it into a slanging match.

I felt that last night United didn't play to their strengths at all, I mean come on, even you must admit that you can play better football than that? Hooking hopeful balls up to RVN is not the United way is it? This seemed to me to be your main tactic for 75 mins. In the last 15 you were on top no question and could have nicked it with better finishing. We could have nicked as well, I have seen pens given for a lot less.

My thoughts about Fergsuon stem from the time was said he was retiring and then he changed his mind. Fair play but what has changed since then, he's 4 years older and must be in his late 60's now. The nose is getting redder (must be the drink) and his judgement has got to suffer at that age. If he had retired in 2002 then he would have gone down as possibly the greatest manager in English football ever. The longer he goes on without winning anything tarnishes that. He should have retired at the top.

Oh and about you being so far ahead of us. Well lets wait until the end of the season shall we and see where we all are then. At least we need our passports again this season ha ha.

i think alucards point is this, why arent you saying the same about wegner? you guys barely put up a fight, your young players aint that good, rooney is possibly one of the best players in the world at the moment, who has wegner brought in with that talent? Ronaldo is inconsistent, but when in form is a far better choice then Reyes... Fletcher vs fabegras? not much difference except fletch is a full international who starts most games for scotland... his chance of developing are far greater... Heinze, you have forgotten him havent you, Heinze is a world class defender, can you say the same for cygan, and sederos, or clichy, or any young defender wegner has brought it(heinze could play any of there positions and then some)? no way.... so if it's fair to say sir alex should go, then its sure as hell fair to say arsene should go, my point is this United have far better young talent and players then arsenal does, so i would look in your own club instead of critizing ours, and once henry goes to barca, your going to be looking up to us alot more...

 

[gomito#10]

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Couldnt agree more. Whats sad is that the younger generation is not gonna remember him for his past achievements but instead as an average manager.

and for bringin in rooney, possibly the best english talent since, man maybe ever...

 

[RuneEdge]

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and for bringin in rooney, possibly the best english talent since, man maybe ever...

I wouldnt really call signing a player as much of an achievement. Its the player himself people will be impressed with.

 

[hutch]

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I don't think Ronaldo played that badly last night. It was just a poor end product as it often is with him. At least he was actually beating his man quite a bit last night, which I haven't seen him do for ages. Always looked one of our most threatening players too. Fucking frustrating player though.
O'Shea and Fletcher did a good job last night. O'Shea is pretty underrated as a back up midfielder IMO. I'd have him in there above Smith personally.
Wes Brown was immense last night as well, as he has been all this season. I'd have him in the side in front of Silvestre everytime.
Disappointed we didn't win the game, looking at the chances we had 2nd half. Arsenal played well first half without really threatening I felt, but at least we made a few opportunities. Was encouraging to see the urgency in the likes of Fletcher in the last 5 minutes to try and get the victory too, I was pleased with our performance.

 

[Alucard]

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Yep i hope brown can keep his place he has been playing really well. That run he made towards the end from his own half and crossed it in was first class.

Oshea has looked solid in midfield. Maybe he really is our new keane in disguise and we just dont know it yet!

 

[hutch]

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Also, to Clockender who suggests the likes of O'Shea, Fletcher, Park etc aren't good enough for United. I do tend to agree, though when you look back at previous United sides, we've often had a load of very average players in our squad, when going on to win major trophies. The likes of Phil Neville and Butt were never world beaters yet were always adequate cover for our strong first X1. I do believe we still have a very strong first X1 when everyone's fully fit. Of course, Chelsea's dominance has now suggested that we should have 22 great players which is just ludicrous in my book. As Ferguson said, any other season pre Abramovich, and we'd be well in the title race, we've only lost 2 games all season ffs, yet even drawing games is a disaster these days.
I also feel that Arsenal will eventually come back to form and be not too far off United looking at the quality youth you're bringing through, but neither of us can simply compete with Chelsea, they're more consistent than a cheat team on Champ Man.

 

[Clockender]

i think alucards point is this, why arent you saying the same about wegner? you guys barely put up a fight, your young players aint that good, rooney is possibly one of the best players in the world at the moment, who has wegner brought in with that talent? Ronaldo is inconsistent, but when in form is a far better choice then Reyes... Fletcher vs fabegras? not much difference except fletch is a full international who starts most games for scotland... his chance of developing are far greater... Heinze, you have forgotten him havent you, Heinze is a world class defender, can you say the same for cygan, and sederos, or clichy, or any young defender wegner has brought it(heinze could play any of there positions and then some)? no way.... so if it's fair to say sir alex should go, then its sure as hell fair to say arsene should go, my point is this United have far better young talent and players then arsenal does, so i would look in your own club instead of critizing ours, and once henry goes to barca, your going to be looking up to us alot more...

Well we are not talking about Arsenal as this is the Man Utd thread, why would I be talking about us in here. But anyway....

Ronaldo v Reyes.... I like Jose but would prefer Ronaldo in my side. Needs to improve hs crossing though. Reyes is more versatile though, can play up front or down the wing.

Fletch v Fabregas ... You must be having a laugh. Fabulous is now in the Spanish squad, people forget he is still only 18. In 5 years time he will be one of the best midfielders in the world. You will never be able to say that about Fletcher.

Heinze v Ashley Cole....remember him? Yeah, possibly the best left back in the world pisses over Heinze. His understudy Clichy is class too, just a shame he is behind Cole in the pecking order.

We also have Van Persie, Flamini, Hleb (he will come good), Lupoli and Bendtner (goal machines).

Its unfair for you to talk about Rooney as a great young talent, he should be he cost £30m!! Compare him with our best young talent (Van Persie-£2.5m) and there is the difference. Utd have\had the resources to go and spend that kind of money on a player, we don't. Wenger's job is not under threat, why should it? He is a genius in the transfer market. He is bringing on some of the best young players in the club's history, he's taking us into the best stadium in England next season. His contract is until 2008 and he will be with us until then, hopefully beyond.

 

[matherto]

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let's see,

Reyes us a cheating moaner
Draw between Fletch and Fabregas, theyre both crap
Ashley Cole is a great player, but he's not brilliant defensively. Heinze is

Van Persie - hasn't done much
Flamini - very, very useless
Hleb - meh, Henry seems to get pissed off with him at the moment
Lupoli - hasn't done anythng yet, can't judge him
Bendtner - same as Lupoli

 

[Alucard]

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Ronaldo v Reyes.... Both players need to work on their game. Ronaldo needs end product and reyes needs know what areas on pitch when to do his skills and when not to try super passes all the time.

Fletch v Fabregas ... Hard one fletcher is only 21, im guilty of thinking he was older but the guy is good prospect so its hard to say how he be in 5years. Fabregas is good aswell and has got bright potential but wether he will keep improving isanother matter

Heinze v Ashley Cole: Wrong heinze pisses all over cole. The guy knows how to defend. Tough tackling,gets forward and plays his heart out for the full the 90minutes without sulking.

 

[Milanista]

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Cant compare Heinze and Cole, Cole is more attacking, where as Heinze is meant to be an actual defender.

Disagree with Mathertho that Van Persie hasnt done much... this year hes blooming.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Ronaldo v Reyes.... Both players need to work on their game. Ronaldo needs end product and reyes needs know what areas on pitch when to do his skills and when not to try super passes all the time.

Fletch v Fabregas ... Hard one fletcher is only 21, im guilty of thinking he was older but the guy is good prospect so its hard to say how he be in 5years. Fabregas is good aswell and has got bright potential but wether he will keep improving isanother matter

Heinze v Ashley Cole: Wrong heinze pisses all over cole. The guy knows how to defend. Tough tackling,gets forward and plays his heart out for the full the 90minutes without sulking.

You beat me to it. Basically what I would have said. And about Heinze, he's in fact a CB so comparing him with Cole is dumb anyway.

 

[Alucard]

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You beat me to it. Basically what I would have said. And about Heinze, he's in fact a CB so comparing him with Cole is dumb anyway.

Yeah but they both play on the left and Fergie never seems to use heinze in the centre.

 

[hutch]

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Ashley Cole is a great left back, people who say he can't defend tend to be idiots.

 

[matherto]

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I didn't say he couldn't defend, I merely meant not a good as Heinze....which he isn't, He is a great left back

 

[gomito#10]

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Well we are not talking about Arsenal as this is the Man Utd thread, why would I be talking about us in here. But anyway....

Ronaldo v Reyes.... I like Jose but would prefer Ronaldo in my side. Needs to improve hs crossing though. Reyes is more versatile though, can play up front or down the wing.

Fletch v Fabregas ... You must be having a laugh. Fabulous is now in the Spanish squad, people forget he is still only 18. In 5 years time he will be one of the best midfielders in the world. You will never be able to say that about Fletcher.

Heinze v Ashley Cole....remember him? Yeah, possibly the best left back in the world pisses over Heinze. His understudy Clichy is class too, just a shame he is behind Cole in the pecking order.

We also have Van Persie, Flamini, Hleb (he will come good), Lupoli and Bendtner (goal machines).

Its unfair for you to talk about Rooney as a great young talent, he should be he cost £30m!! Compare him with our best young talent (Van Persie-£2.5m) and there is the difference. Utd have\had the resources to go and spend that kind of money on a player, we don't. Wenger's job is not under threat, why should it? He is a genius in the transfer market. He is bringing on some of the best young players in the club's history, he's taking us into the best stadium in England next season. His contract is until 2008 and he will be with us until then, hopefully beyond.

whoa whoa, your comparing van perise to rooney, HAHAHHAHAHH, yeah rooney cost 30 millionm and he is fucking worth it, remind me where does van persie sit in the dutch squad?Thats the point United do have those funds, if we had signend van persie instead of rooney, for $28 million less then yeah I would be PISSED. I would rather see the money go to rooney, cause he is WORTH IT. A far better talent then van persie, united are un-defeated when rooney scores.... I call that worth it Which mid-field position on spain does fabraverage play in?!??!?!?, calling ashley cole the best left back in the world!!!!! YOur credibility has been shot all to hell with that one, maldini, nesta, HEINZE, just to name a few. I mean serioulsy cole pisses on heinze, cole is good defensvley in a few games, then goes awol, Heinze is always solid in the back... saying cole pisses on heinze is a joke, your the one who brought arsenal into this thread not me... seriously what in the hell has frabeaverage done to get "will be one of the best mid-fielders in the world in 5 years" statement, what has he shown, that he can pass the ball back and forth, that he can miss the goal quite alot, not a great tackler, why dont you just take alan smith from us, he can do the same.

 

[RuneEdge]

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Lets keep the topic here with Man Utd and all teams above 4th place. Anything below that isnt worth it.