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Re: It's not our club anymore!! F*ck Glazier!! MUFC RIP 2005

As a former fan i feel sorry for Man Utd...i hope they won't be the victim of their own success...if Busby had known this.
Well this proves that football as bifg businees is bad news for football in the long term.Many big clubs sold their soul to the devil but are not aware of it till it's too late...recently read a fantastic book about that: "the beautifull game" by David Conn...a must read.
 
Re: It's not our club anymore!! F*ck Glazier!! MUFC RIP 2005

Man Utd have his and the club's signatures proving that he signed for us. No one really knows if its about money. Maybe he's just being forced to join Chelsea or else...
 
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Stan said:
As a former fan i feel sorry for Man Utd...
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WTF is a former fan?!?!?!?
You support a team for life. Not just for a few seasons.:roll:
 
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Re: It's not our club anymore!! F*ck Glazier!! MUFC RIP 2005

united forever!!
 
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I have to agree! One supports a team forever no matter what... even if they go down u must support them always so that he can get back up again!
 
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I am a United fan gave never been 2 a game but consider myself a true fan!

People might not agree but i love this club and will support them no matter what

This crap scares me tho!

Our best players might go but lets hope Glazer does leave it tor SAF or whoever
 
Re: It's not our club anymore!! F*ck Glazier!! MUFC RIP 2005

For those of you who dont study business and dont know whats going on, heres the situation.
Glazer right now owns 74.8% of the shares. Once he gets 75% he will get control of United but that doesnt mean that he can do whatever he wants. But he can however make big decisions on the board for example sacking Sir Alex. At this point, he could make his offer of £780million for the club which if the board approve, they would recommend to the remaining shareholders to sell their shares to Glazer. But if Glazer buys them himself, he can make a hostile takeover. Either way, once he takes over, Glazer will take Man Utd off the stock market and privatise the company which means that ONLY he owns it and now no one can buy shares in the company ever again (well not ever again but thats not relavent). So basically, the fans (the shareholders) used to own the club but now one man does and he would have the power to do what he wants cuz he's the boss.
Some of my mates asked me why is this bad and I'm sure some of you might be thinking the same thing. Glazer has "promised" an EXTRA £20million transfer budget thats guaranteed for each season which does sound pretty nice since we would get enough from that. He also says that he'll keep all the current staff like the Chief Executive David Gill, Sir Alex, etc all stay so no one worries about sacking.
The bad news is that first of all, all of his debt can be transfered onto the club meaning that we'll be in debt of about £500million. Although that sounds HUGE, for a club of our size, we can manage to pay that over the years. But that means Glazer is gonna have to raise money. One way is to sell some star players. He knows selling guys like Ruud and Rio would get him quite a bit of money. Another way is to rename Old Trafford by selling the rights to a sponsor just like how Bolton have the Reebok Stadium. That wouldnt be too popular with the fans.
Another way is to raise ticket prices and people in the US say he likes doing that.
Now imagine what our team would look like in a few years if our star players were sold, and then players like Giggs, Keane, Scholes retired, and Old Trafford was called something like the Vodafone Stadium, and our stadium were empty during games cuz no one could afford to watch.

Get ready! We're about to stoop as low as the teams in the bottom half of the Premiership.
But dont worry. We got through the tragedy of the Munich air crash and we'll get through this tough time just like we did then. C'mon United.
 
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Surely Glazer must be thinking he cant lose out on this one, if he needs to pay of his debts by transfering them onto Man Utd then surely he needs to have the club at its finest, whever this be players, stadium (extension), ticket prices, there own TV rights.

Its the debt that worries me and what the things may happen for Glazer to pay them off
 
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Glazer would do anything really. If you can use a company as big as Man Utd, why wouldnt you use them to pay for the debts?
 
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I wouldn't like it either, but that's what happens when you make a team a public company. They are bitching about the buyer, but what about the sellers, especially Magnier, Dobson and McManus, who made a nice chunk of change on their shares? Share prices rose on the exchange, they didn't fall. ManU already has sold it's merchandizing rights to Nike without any help from Glazer.

They argue that if he gets his share up to 75 percent, he'll have enough leverage to push his stake high enough to be able to take the club private. So what? Perhaps, it should have remained private in the first place. They can't have it both ways.

They say that he will raise ticket prices and so that's a reason to boycott by not showing up for games. It might be more sensible to wait until he does so first. He has done a great deal to improve the Tampa Bay Bucs franchise.

As I said, if I was a ManU fan, I probably wouldn't like it, but I hope I would be honest enough to admit the real reason.
 
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Tamba Bay in the NFL arent as good as Man Utd are (atleast supposed to be) in the Football world.
Since I dont own a season ticket, that doesnt really affect me but one of things that worry me is that if he wants to pay off his debts, he might even sell some of our star players. Unlike all the other emotional reasons, sell off our players is a BIG problem.

One good thing that might come out of it is that ALL the fans would welcome the selling of Miller, Bellion, Kleberson, etc. :lol:
 
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Tamba Bay actually won the superbowl a few years back, but now have fallen to mediocrity, although part of that is just the way the NFL salary cap is set up. It's hard to predict just who will be good and even harder to continue for a few years. The patriots doing well teh past 4 is seriously impressive. Just pointing its hard to use the Bucs as a comparison.

Read that Bellion broke his ankle, that's a downer. I really think he might have a future, he's young and has a fair amount of experience. Where was Henry when he was 21? Also that Rossi scored two amazing goals, but know its hard to find any replays without MUTV.

If Chelsea do get Mikel, can't we charge them a hefty transfer fee? If so, I say let him go, and use the money wisely. If he's this much against playing for United (even if forced to say so) he'll never succeed anyway.
 
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lol. again, i still dont get how a guy who is 500 in debt can buy all those shares. i mean, why dont i go to the bank now, ask for a 1,2 miljard loan to buy Ajax(who's on the stockmarket too) and then make it a club debt instead of a personal one.

thats what i mean with 'there should be a law against this'.

so RuneEdgde, thanks for the explanation, but could you(or someone else) also make this point clear to me, cause proberly it isnt as simply as im putting it.
 
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PESV said:
lol. again, i still dont get how a guy who is 500 in debt can buy all those shares. i mean, why dont i go to the bank now, ask for a 1,2 miljard loan to buy Ajax(who's on the stockmarket too) and then make it a club debt instead of a personal one.

thats what i mean with 'there should be a law against this'.

so RuneEdgde, thanks for the explanation, but could you(or someone else) also make this point clear to me, cause proberly it isnt as simply as im putting it.
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If you just go to the bank and say I want a loan, they wont give you one. But if you go and explain how you are going to repay it back, only then the bank would give you a loan cuz they need to be convinced that you can pay it off. So Glazer might have gone to the bank and explained that he plans on raising ticket prices, maybe sell a few players and seeing how successful this team is, he'd make a quite a bit of money every year so he can use that to pay the loan over a couple of years. Of course that means we'd have to pay interest so the debt woud get slightly bigger every year if its not paid. But he'd still be able to pay the loan.

The problem here is that we dont really know what Glazer would do pay this loan cuz he might destroy Man Utd in the process. There are already rumours that he wants to sell Giggs and Ronaldo.
 
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Some good comments by Jimmy Greaves in todays The Sun about the Glazer takeover, and did anyone see the spoof MG letter in the same paper, some quality shit.
 
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There are some fans that are considering helping Glazer now.
The thing is, if we all boycott all Man Utd merchandising and matches, Glazer isnt gonna make any money so then he would have problems paying his debt.
So if Man Utd fans are loyal enough, which I think they are, we al shold stick by Glazer and hope we can get through the debt period and hopefully make this club even more successful.

Another news is that a few managers including Mourinho have supported Sir Alex and are hoping he stays on instead of leaving.
 
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he only needs to get to %75.1 to take the club off the market! Im looking at it this way 20m a season is nothing for a club like you, take this season you want a midfielder, keeper and possible another wing player, for a start with 20m you can forget ballack and your looking at least 16m for essien it just really doesnt look good and as for the debt its like 5 times as much as leeds had alls it would take is a couple of trophyless seasons and.....!
 
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he only needs to get to %75.1 to take the club off the market! Im looking at it this way 20m a season is nothing for a club like you, take this season you want a midfielder, keeper and possible another wing player, for a start with 20m you can forget ballack and your looking at least 16m for essien it just really doesnt look good and as for the debt its like 5 times as much as leeds had alls it would take is a couple of trophyless seasons and.....!
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Thats true but unlike Leeds, we have loads of ways of making money. Last year we did a tour of the US which brought in money. This season we're going to Asia for another tour. Plus the money we'd get from sell our merchandise is great too.
So although our debt is much larger than Leeds' debt, we're in a better position to handle it (that doesnt mean that we definately will).
The question is how will Glazer finance the debt. The NFL are already investigating where he's getting his money from cuz its rumoured that he's taking it out of Tampa Bay.
You're right about our transfer budget. £20million isnt enough for our standards but I'm sure Sir Alex wouldnt need a lot of money to build a complete squad. I mean if you look at Chelsea, they just need a Striker and they'd be happy for another 2 years.

Obviously this whole Glazer story isnt good but the way I'm starting to look at it is that Glazer wouldnt be buying Man Utd if he's not gonna get anything out of it. There are a lot of other (easier to get) teams that Glazer could just transfer his debts to but he'd only pick Man Utd if he thinks he can make it into an even greater business. Which would only help the footballing side of things.
If fans want to really help the club, I suggest you continue to support the team cuz Glazer is gonna buy the team no matter what. He has too much power and money. Now once he gains control, if we boycott Man Utd, he's not gonna make money which means he's gonna have to destroy the team to pay for it.
Its his way or no way. So we might as well stick with him and hope for te best.
 
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Thats true but unlike Leeds, we have loads of ways of making money. Last year we did a tour of the US which brought in money. This season we're going to Asia for another tour. Plus the money we'd get from sell our merchandise is great too.
So although our debt is much larger than Leeds' debt, we're in a better position to handle it (that doesnt mean that we definately will).
The question is how will Glazer finance the debt. The NFL are already investigating where he's getting his money from cuz its rumoured that he's taking it out of Tampa Bay.
You're right about our transfer budget. £20million isnt enough for our standards but I'm sure Sir Alex wouldnt need a lot of money to build a complete squad. I mean if you look at Chelsea, they just need a Striker and they'd be happy for another 2 years.

Obviously this whole Glazer story isnt good but the way I'm starting to look at it is that Glazer wouldnt be buying Man Utd if he's not gonna get anything out of it. There are a lot of other (easier to get) teams that Glazer could just transfer his debts to but he'd only pick Man Utd if he thinks he can make it into an even greater business. Which would only help the footballing side of things.
If fans want to really help the club, I suggest you continue to support the team cuz Glazer is gonna buy the team no matter what. He has too much power and money. Now once he gains control, if we boycott Man Utd, he's not gonna make money which means he's gonna have to destroy the team to pay for it.
Its his way or no way. So we might as well stick with him and hope for te best.
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Long post but i agree with you!

We just gotta get on with it!
 
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I dont see whats wrong with someone taking over the club, for example Chelsea?..maybe he can "buy Man UTD the title" as the jealous people say.

What do people think he is going to do?..spend a ton of money on a club and then destroy it?..doubt it.

Business men dont do that, he is going to buy the club and make it work, just like Roman at Chelsea.
 
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I dont see whats wrong with someone taking over the club, for example Chelsea?..maybe he can "buy Man UTD the title" as the jealous people say.

What do people think he is going to do?..spend a ton of money on a club and then destroy it?..doubt it.

Business men dont do that, he is going to buy the club and make it work, just like Roman at Chelsea.
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Think its the debt thats worrying

I do agree tho why destroy the club as he will lose all of his money!
 
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Glazer cant buys loads of players like Abramovich can and theres a simple reason for this. Glazer is spending nearly £800million just to buy the club. And he cant even afford THAT which is why he's taking a loan. SO what are the chances of us recieving any transfer money?

But when Abramovich bought Chelsea, it only cost him £150million to buy. Which is why he has so much money left over to purchase players. The total amount of money that Abramovich has spent (including transfers, wages, etc) over nearly 3 years is about £650million which is still less than what Glazer is spending JUST to buy the club, let alone the spending he might do afterwards.
 
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Glazer cant buys loads of players like Abramovich can and theres a simple reason for this. Glazer is spending nearly £800million just to buy the club. And he cant even afford THAT which is why he's taking a loan. SO what are the chances of us recieving any transfer money?

But when Abramovich bought Chelsea, it only cost him £150million to buy. Which is why he has so much money left over to purchase players. The total amount of money that Abramovich has spent (including transfers, wages, etc) over nearly 3 years is about £650million which is still less than what Glazer is spending JUST to buy the club, let alone the spending he might do afterwards.
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If the club was not run bey greedy bastards(not supporters) then yjis never would of happened!

Shame on the share holders!
 
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Dead Man said:
If the club was not run bey greedy bastards(not supporters) then yjis never would of happened!

Shame on the share holders!
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I dont understand. What does how Man Utd was run got to do with this?
 
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RuneEdge said:
I dont understand. What does how Man Utd was run got to do with this?
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That Magnier and McManus were only i it for the money and not for anything else!

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Its my opinion
 
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they always said they were in it for investment purposes only, they are believed to of made 100m now whos to turn that down? As for Glazier getting something out of the club thats whats so strange all the finaicial experts say that the price of the club will never exceed what he has paid therefore they are all puzzled into why he has actully bought it! I heard a worrying rumour that he will split from Sky tv for the rights and sell them himself therefore making more money but surley this would mean the downfall of alot of smaller clubs who wouldnt have the support to sell there own tv rights?
 
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they always said they were in it for investment purposes only, they are believed to of made 100m now whos to turn that down? As for Glazier getting something out of the club thats whats so strange all the finaicial experts say that the price of the club will never exceed what he has paid therefore they are all puzzled into why he has actully bought it! I heard a worrying rumour that he will split from Sky tv for the rights and sell them himself therefore making more money but surley this would mean the downfall of alot of smaller clubs who wouldnt have the support to sell there own tv rights?
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Heard that 2!

Football is gonna implode over time
 
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Dead Man said:
That Magnier and McManus were only i it for the money and not for anything else!

(spelling on names?)

Its my opinion
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Oh. Forgot about those f*ckers. Its their fault this whole thing happened in the first place.

As for the TV rights thing, IMO its only the begining of things to come. Glazer is probably gonna use every dirty trick in the book to raise cash.
I heard you get loads of money if you sell the rights of naming Old Trafford.
 
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