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YoungGun_UK said:
It shouldn't happen!

LvG is moving us into the modern game with style of play and tactics, he might not be the one to get us the finished product but people will be lauding LvG for laying the foundations here in 3-4 years time.
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Yes. That is exactly how he is seen in Munich now.
 
LVG starting a verbal row with legend Scholes: not the most intelligent thing he could do.

He needs a very convincing win, one like against Spurs last season...
 
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Pipa, that rivalry it must affect you terribly as a Scouser...OOPS...no you are a Slovakian....

I really hate these rivalries and it's even worse for foreign fans...
 
lol you are overreacting as always on my part, don´t know why to be honest...

i posted it because i find this interesting and surpising, i´m not one of those fans who hate United more than they love LFC.. you got me wrong.... again.
 
They have no right to be involved in rivalry! Can you imagine Astronomers, love everything about space (astrophysics),but since they don't fly to the moon n such. They should slow their intent and leave it to the astronauts. Once you choose a club whether it was a generation bonding ( those bless to have a family lineage) that was passed on. That , club that made you feel part of and you made a emotional vow to commit to it. You sense a belonging to everything about that choice you made. When , I hear ppl say I used to support that club once and now, I support this one. That is foreign to me ...that is saying I can detach all ties like nothing. I say , you never felt that sense of belonging or you just enjoy the sport .

You probably never felt gutted , or over the moon from a result. I say to that bloke, LUCKY you! They were times I went to sleep not wanting to listen , see or think about that result. When , I was younger 6 yrs back I would get shit face drunk! Now, that I'm older and wiser I'm more calm about the result. I don't get that upset , but Boy! I sure f$&k the shit out of my wife when we win! Convincingly!
 
not even local fans can support their own clubs in their own towns because of high ticket prices... support isn´t just about going to matches, it isn´t like that for years now... of course i support my local team, i go to every home match that i can... because it costs 5-7 euros... i support the real way though my local hockey team... but i support LFC for reasons that i was watching Liverpool matches in youth with people who loved the club in 80´s... because they were winning... obviously, Liverpool back then was at top of English football... But to say that rivalry affects me, i have nothing against United, imo for every jing there has to be a jang in life...Liverpool need United the same way they need us... obviously i like if Liverpool wins, but for me the club has other emotional bonds build by myself for 15 years now not going to the matches, but watching everything and every match i can in tv... if clubs don´t intend to reach to everyone and everywhere in world for their support, there would be no TV cameras on stadiums....

according to your view Gerd, only Liverpool people are real fans of their local team? only people who get their family member to teach them about the club? what about the X fans in other towns who simply are supporting the team because they like their play, visions, players etc... ?

even United fans or majority of today´s fans don´t know where the rivalry started.. of course match going fans feel great if their team wins, i know that feeling myself, everyone who supports their local club knows the feeling....but that doesn´t mean i can´t have a sympathy to other teams in other towns for any kind of reasons... if i was living in Liverpool, i wouldn´t probably have the money to see the matches anyway.... would i be not allowed to call myself a supporter? tell it to the people who are in this situation, that they can´t pay 50+ pounds for a football match of their local team...
 
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I support Spurs myself.
I have nothing against foreign fans.

Maybe i'm exagerating but i really don't like these rivalries.

I realise that it's mostly harmless banter, but for some strange reason i think it's absurd.
If you decide to love club a, you should also hate club b.

And then it becomes completely absurd if someone from Nepal who supportd Man Utd is provoking somebody from Argentina who supports Liverpool.

As a Belgian Spurs fan, i'm supposed to hate Arsenal for something that happened more than 100 years ago and this while i always admired Arsenal's football...to me this is uiterlijk absurd and ridiculous.

Should'nt have reacted to pipa's post. He is a very nice guy. I apologize.
 
The concept of supporting clubs is weird.
My son has no favourite team apart from our local team.
He supports players.

His favourite players are Kevin De Bruyne and Courtois. When City plays Chelsea, he hopes both play a good match and that he seems a good match.

A question.

You are a Slovakian Liverpool fan, Pipa (or others).
You have a son who is exceptionally good at football.
He can play for Manchester United. How do you react?
 
Were so close, replacing Rooney in this current team with a world class forward and we'd be hammering teams.
 
gerd said:
The concept of supporting clubs is weird.
My son has no favourite team apart from our local team.
He supports players.

His favourite players are Kevin De Bruyne and Courtois. When City plays Chelsea, he hopes both play a good match and that he seems a good match.

A question.

You are a Slovakian Liverpool fan, Pipa (or others).
You have a son who is exceptionally good at football.
He can play for Manchester United. How do you react?
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I would love him to be best he can be of course at anything he does, except murdering people :D just kidding... i wouldn´t stop supporting the club i grew up supporting, but at the time my son would play for United, i would wish him only the best obviously.

But i repeat, maybe when i was younger i supported football more as a passion type of fan, but now i look more in to the sport, the game itself, what coaches have to do etc... i look on the educational part of the game, how it is to improve already skillful players and make them better..i look more in to tactics than before

But don´t get me wrong, i think at the same time that rivalry´s are very important in sport, for the fans there is nothing better than beating their main rivals etc... at any sport... i know that feeling as a hockey supporter of my second tier local club here in SVK. I follow them during playoff on all away matches and the moments we as fans experienced will stay with me forever...

So all in all fans are why footblall is popular around the world, they are the reason n.1... the game is simple, but without fans the game would be nothing... without having urge to beat someone, what would be the point? i mean the game should be ballanced, there shoudl be rivalry, but not hate....more like respect to your oponent... i respect United as a club, i don´t hate their fans etc..but knowing hisotrically what it means to LFC supporters if the club beat them, i feel happy if they do, more than anyone...except Everton as well..but Untied are the ultimate club to beat for LFC and it won´t change for long time..
 
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YoungGun_UK said:
Were so close, replacing Rooney in this current team with a world class forward and we'd be hammering teams.
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the problem is, he won´t go... who would being payed 300k a week, untill 2019? if i´m right...that just explains in one eveything what is wrong with today´s football...
 
So I am starting to lose patience but mainly because I don't know the situation, if for arguments sake its 100% on Van Gaal that Rooney is starting every game up front then yes I have no idea what he's playing at and needs to sort it out.

if hes actually got one arm tied behind him regarding that and its not so easy to drop the most marketable player or whatever then its difficult to blame him.

our style of play is pretty boring based on the fact IMO our attacking play is the missing link, that's down to individuals IMO
 
Utd fans making a bit of scapegoat out of Rooney. It's not like he's missing chances. Utd just aren't creating anything. It's not Rooney's fault the team makes so many backwards and sideways passes. It's not Rooney's fault that you're not even shooting, let alone shooting on target.

He might well be coming to the end but that's no excuse, plenty of other teams still manage to score goals with a forward who's no better than Rooney. Why aren't the other players scoring?
 
There are two sides to that argument.

Martial does seem to score when played up front, and he certainly creates and has more shots.

But you're right, LVG has us playing the least attacking football I've ever seen a United team play. Then again, I've only had access to see us since SAF was manager, and to be fair to Moyes he tried to attack (cross cross cross). Scholes it the latest to say it's not Rooney's fault - no one is giving him the ball in threatening positions.

But, watch the man, he barely moves now. Plus he can't accelerate away from a defender anymore, so a ball has to be absolutely perfect for there to be any threat. It's the opposite of Aguero - who will always create a yard of space in an instant because of his agility. Or Rooney of 10 years ago.

I posted a month or so back that I'm kind of happy with what LVG has done for us in terms of squad clean out, building up some excellent young talent and bringing our 'prestige' back, but am also very much ready for him to head off to retirement. I see nothing in his 'philosophy' ON the pitch that warrants his reputation. We create virtually nothing each match, I no long enjoy watching us at all. Not because we're losing - that's fine - but because nothing happens to entertain me. Only get a couple hours a week 'off' to do something for myself, and this United is not something worth investing 2 hours to...
 
IMO, and this is in no way a disrespect to LVG, but I think we're better off giving him a position to manage our youth teams. Youth teams director or whatever. That way he can lay foundations, bring in and nurture all kinds of talent so our 1st team would always have an abundance of great players. Pay him heftily as he's so worth it. But I know he wouldn't accept anyway.

It's either Klopp or Simone for me. Klopp's gone so..
 
Recently read Pep Confidential (again) and it's interesting to read towards the beginning of the book that the Bayern higher ups had the same issue with LVG - toothless football. He was creating an identity (possession, possession, possession) but the side was barely exciting the crowd.

It's been said by Cruyff that LVG is far too rigid, and I think that's the issue with United. It's as if the players go out with a set of instructions each and they aren't allowed the freedom to attempt anything other than what they're told. When I think back to my favourite United side, probably when Ronaldo/Tevez/Rooney all played as forwards, they were so dangerous cause they had the freedom to move and interact as they saw fit in order to create. It's all lacking that edge for United at the minute.
 
Great players make any system work sometimes though, taking nothing away from SAF but i'd be really surpised if we had Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney from that time period in this current team and not blowing teams away occasionally like we did then.

I do agree though, the football isn't good enough. thing is do we have long term strategy of where we are going with it? I seriously hope were on red alert when it comes to Pep because hes the obvious transition from LVG but otherwise a manager might come in and rip up everything hes done and we'll be square one again.
 
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If I have some time I'll go check, but surely we've not had many 4 game spells with no goals in recent history? That's crazy for a United team imo.

I'd keep LVG as Director of Football or whatever, and get in a coach known for getting the most out of what he has. This team could be really strong with a couple tiny tweaks, but it's just not happening on the pitch, and LVG has now had 18 months to sort something out.

He's basically surviving off an excellent month last March/April, and the fact that we sneaked 4th.
 
LVG will never want to be director of football and if he would accept, rest assured that he will boycot the manager, ask Ronald Koeman what happened at Ajax.

I think the only solution is to sack him, but the board will not do that.

With a more offensive set-up, Utd can win the title this year, pretty sure of that...use Martial as a CF and Memphis out wide where Martial plays now...and then a midfield with Herrera, Mata, Schweinsteiger and Carrick.

Should be a great team...

PS: and why not try Fellaini as a CB?
 
Mutd supporters were very confident a few weeks back. I thought it was prematurely ...Every good run sooner or later is followed by a few bad ones. I think Rooney has loads to offer , although the rebel in him is gone he's become a business team player sort. It's called ' maturity' lol
 
beachryan said:
If I have some time I'll go check, but surely we've not had many 4 game spells with no goals in recent history? That's crazy for a United team imo.

I'd keep LVG as Director of Football or whatever, and get in a coach known for getting the most out of what he has. This team could be really strong with a couple tiny tweaks, but it's just not happening on the pitch, and LVG has now had 18 months to sort something out.

He's basically surviving off an excellent month last March/April, and the fact that we sneaked 4th.
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Commentator mentioned it was 2005 or 2007 or 2009, I can't remember, since Utd last failed to score in 3 consecutive games
 
There is this persistent rumour that Marco Reus has signed a precontract for United (all over the press in Belgium and Holland).
 
Huh, I hadn't heard that. Excellent player, but not really what we need surely?

Isn't he really similar to Mata, and thrives most in a counter-attacking setup? That's always been my impressions seeing him at BVB.
 
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