Manchester United Thread

Is it only me or does anyone else see what the fuss is about Luke shaw? Would expect by now to have seen a little spark of the talent he supposedly had. Miss Evra more each day
 
Like LVG's honesty and his pedigree but if he persists in the 352 I'd like him to take all that and go retire. How he can possibly think we're better with this abomination of 'tactics' I'll never know.

We're conceding chances, stupid goals all without having enough players forward to create anything ourselves. We've literally had 1 good match with 3-5-2 since he took over, and yet he persists.

1 shot on target in an entire match of football, combined (!), we've truly reached sh*t on a stick levels of 'tactical nous'.

Sort of credit to Southampton, but they were incredibly lucky to win that match, deserved a draw and played with 0 ambition and some ridiculous time wasting. Would wager a large amount on Forster having the most possession of any player in the 2nd half.

Possession football is dead. Boring teams to death like Barca did for 3 years only worked because they had the best player in history who could literally create something out of nothing. To win at the highest level you need a direct threat, an option that teams have to fear committing forward.

This United team should be fine and functional, but LVG is neutering it. I just don't understand. Di Maria is best in a deeper role, stick him up top. Rooney is better up top, move him deep. RVP can't lead a line alone, so ask him to.

Back 4. Midfield 3 of Carrick, Herrera and Fellaini (you know, the midfielders in the team). 3 of RVP, Rooney, Di Maria, Falcao, Janujaz or Mata. Jobs done.

I think LVG is trying to prove he's smarter than everyone else, and it appears he isn't.
 
Why do so many people call Januzaj 'Janujaz'? Did you make a typo? Because for some reason I see a lot of people calling him that.
 
Man Utd came up against the best defence in the league yesterday and to be fair, Southampton got lucky with their goal. Should have been a draw.

I would worry about the 352 if I was ManU supporter though, its a terrible system for English football.
 
Fray Bentos said:
Man Utd came up against the best defence in the league yesterday and to be fair, Southampton got lucky with their goal. Should have been a draw.

I would worry about the 352 if I was ManU supporter though, its a terrible system for English football.
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Agreed, doesn't help that we are playing with completely defensively absent wing backs in Valencia (who is a shadow of the pre-ankle injury Tony) and Luke Shaw (who was always going to be a £30m mistake imo.

Good to see RvP finally got subbed off yesterday, he's the most wasteful player on the pitch most games and yet doesn't get called up on it by LvG.
 
I don't understand LVG's choices but I honestly think he's so blinded by his stubbornness that he doesn't either.

We switched to four at the back and a diamond and immediately started playing much better too. 3-5-2 needs to fuck off.
 
Far too stubborn for his own good. We should have been closer to the top two rather than fourth and fifth right now.
People may criticise Falcao but playing two weeks after your last game is definitely gonna take a knock on match sharpness. Still love his style of play. His persistence to try and win the ball and get into those dangerous positions makes him a must for me personally.
 
Falcao was better today I thought but he should've scored (more than once).

His hold up play, strength and first touch were all much better than they have been in the past few weeks, looked a bit quicker too.

Initially thought it was a horrible miss when Wilson slid the ball across but Caulker got a vital, fantastic touch on the ball to divert it's course enough to put Falcao off.
 
I don't even want Bale, I'd still take Ronaldo back though but not even Ronaldo for De Gea being apart of a deal at this point let alone Bale.
 
Bale's good, but £120m good? Pretty sure he had a history of hamstring trouble in the Premier League too.
But then again we do like an injury prone player - in which case, Reus would be a better option as he's apparently available for £20-25m.
Which would also mean no more talk of DDG leaving...
 
Jamesy said:
Bale's good, but £120m good? Pretty sure he had a history of hamstring trouble in the Premier League too.
But then again we do like an injury prone player - in which case, Reus would be a better option as he's apparently available for £20-25m.
Which would also mean no more talk of DDG leaving...
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Bale's playstyle literally injures him, his muscles aren't built to withstand his high intensity sprinting. It sounds crazy to say it, since he does it - but it's true.

I would love Reus, please.
 
Mehtab said:
Going for some $50 million and De Gea for Bale. Oh dear.
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The newspapers are making up stories, it's Silly Season when transfer window is open - surely you don't believe everything read on Twitter?!

Apparently we signed Gundogan on Friday! Of course, again, its rubbish - Wenger wont go after good players, he will sign some no-mark from France who is 14 years of age.

"The 10 year plan."
 
Fray Bentos said:
The newspapers are making up stories, it's Silly Season when transfer window is open - surely you don't believe everything read on Twitter?!

Apparently we signed Gundogan on Friday! Of course, again, its rubbish - Wenger wont go after good players, he will sign some no-mark from France who is 14 years of age.

"The 10 year plan."
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I've only just met you, since I just returned, but it seems you forget Arsenal signed Sanchez already and Wenger has started signing players for big money.

I don't think Arsene is where the future lies for Arsenal, but at the same time there isn't anyone better for you.

Arsenal fans who want to shit down his neck don't seem to understand that, he hasn't got full financial backing from the board regardless of what is said, so he needs to buy cheap and hope that his prospects turn out - I personally don't see where you're going to find another manager who will be capable of doing that and consistently finish at least 4th. Frankly Arsene has done the best job he can, and Arsenal fans need to accept that the Premier League is a different prospect bow that teams are able to spend millions on players as they please while Arsene still has his hands tied by the board, until FFP is taken seriously that's not going to change.
 
Wenger never anticipated such deep pockets like Chelsea and ManCity. The deep pockets in a whole has brought the asking price so high we are taking average players w/ top outrageous price tags.This FFP is just a slow down ...its the fairplay tampon ! curve the bleeding to look effective. Wenger is protecting the board from the truth or the tampon will work. Either way his mission is a suicidal one.:BRMM:
 
Deep pockets? That's a polite way of putting it. They are an Oligarch's play-thing, simple as that.

Man City would still be a midtable club without the oil barons. It could have happened to anyone, Everton or Spurs or Newcastle. It just so happens that the Shieks threw money at the club in Manchester.

City and Chelsea didn't get where they are now because they earned it. They got where they are because they got lucky. Same goes for PSG.

If you consider how much money Man City have spent since the owners invested, they haven't exactly dominate the league and have been awful in Europe. This is the 2nd time that City are having real trouble defending their league title.

No disrespect to Godotelli btw, seems a good person and is good fun here.
 
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There isn't a single club out there that has 'earned' what they have got. Football is a history of rich benefactors. Arsenal wouldn't even exist without one and their success in the late 90's early 00's was down in no small part to a rich bloke.

As for City not dominating (we've been the best team for the last 4 or so years), most of the spending was to get from 10th. It's not quite as simple as large amounts of money = domination. Chelsea spent a lot in the post Mourinho days and have 1 title in 8/9 years. Arsenal have spent over 100m in the last 18 months and haven't improved. Utd have spent nearly 250m in the last 18 months and aren't yet title contenders.
We defended the title first time around poorly because we didn't kick on in terms of the squad. This time around we may not defend it because we weren't allowed to. I'm sure one of Fabregas, Sanchez or Di Maria would be at City now if not for UEFA.
History has shown it's difficult to defend the title anyway. Arsenal didn't manage it, not even the 'Invincibles'.
 
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Godotelli said:
zzzzz

There isn't a single club out there that has 'earned' what they have got. Football is a history of rich benefactors. Arsenal wouldn't even exist without one and their success in the late 90's early 00's was down in no small part to a rich bloke.

As for City not dominating (we've been the best team for the last 4 or so years), most of the spending was to get from 10th. It's not quite as simple as large amounts of money = domination. Chelsea spent a lot in the post Mourinho days and have 1 title in 8/9 years. Arsenal have spent over 100m in the last 18 months and haven't improved. Utd have spent nearly 250m in the last 18 months and aren't yet title contenders.
We defended the title first time around poorly because we didn't kick on in terms of the squad. This time around we may not defend it because we weren't allowed to. I'm sure one of Fabregas, Sanchez or Di Maria would be at City now if not for UEFA.
History has shown it's difficult to defend the title anyway. Arsenal didn't manage it, not even the 'Invincibles'.
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Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool created their own wealth. They didn't have a mega rich oil baron buy them and OVER NIGHT turn them from a midtable club to Champions and Champions League contenders.

Ferguson, Wenger and Paisley/Shakly sweated blood getting their clubs to what they're known as today. You simply had a wealthy family enter an amount on their computer and press "Send" on Internet Banking.
 
Fray Bentos said:
Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool created their own wealth. They didn't have a mega rich oil baron buy them and OVER NIGHT turn them from a midtable club to Champions and Champions League contenders.

Ferguson, Wenger and Paisley/Shakly sweated blood getting their clubs to what they're known as today. You simply had a wealthy family enter an amount on their computer and press "Send" on Internet Banking.
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That is not true.
Man Utd had a rich benefactor in the fifties. The amount of money he spend is absolutely ridiculous, but at the time it was crucial.

On top of that the traditional big clubs have only themselves to blame for the emergence of the sugar daddies, but i've been writing this dozens of times now. Will stop boring people with this.


Sorry.
 
gerd said:
That is not true.
Man Utd had a rich benefactor in the fifties. The amount of money he spend is absolutely ridiculous, but at the time it was crucial.

On top of that the traditional big clubs have only themselves to blame for the emergence of the sugar daddies, but i've been writing this dozens of times now. Will stop boring people with this.


Sorry.
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Could you elaborate that ? Seems like an interesting opinion/fact to read.
 
Fray Bentos said:
Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool created their own wealth. They didn't have a mega rich oil baron buy them and OVER NIGHT turn them from a midtable club to Champions and Champions League contenders.

Ferguson, Wenger and Paisley/Shakly sweated blood getting their clubs to what they're known as today. You simply had a wealthy family enter an amount on their computer and press "Send" on Internet Banking.
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Untrue. Read Pay as you Play by Paul Tomkins.
 
Paul Tomkins is a deluded knobjockey, no offence.

The simple fact is, City and Chelsea bought their league titles in recent times.
 
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