Manchester United Thread

Also am really beginning to dislike that young ref. It seems he's only comfortable making small decisions. A few very big 'no calls' in the match today. Seems happy enough to do his job when it's easy, but they were a good deal of fouls in important stages of play not given. It probably only looked one sided because United had most of the ball. Don't think he's biased, just cowardly.

Also, Carrick and RvP were different class. Best I've seen from the former this season, which will go unnoticed. And Van Persie is just so much more consistently good than Rooney...who did one of his relatively rare 2/10 performances to go alongside a pretty good run of 8s.
 
Start of the game i would have taken a point but after the second half where we dominated, we should have won comfortable but we were awfully wasteful and the goal we conceded, pundits kept pointing out evra but if you watch again, its evans who comes out and leaves the gap in the first place and never really gets back in position, can't wait til we drop him.
Fair played swansea, stuck in there, also was amusing when williams smacked the ball off rvp :LOL:
 
That's ridiculous from Fergie. Sigh. Disappointing.

It was a cheap shot though, and very deliberate. Williams is lucky (and I guess we are too) that RVP tripped when he went after him. Williams deserved a punch to the face imo.

People rightly questionning the whole rule about 'raising hands' though. You see some of the things players have been red carded for (Aliadiere?!, Reina?!) and then it's perfectly 'legal' to belt a player lying on the ground, after the whistle, in the back of the head. I see the oddness of that.

I just lost some respect from Williams, who I've always liked.
 
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Look at his face, knows exactly what he's doing. I see that, and just wonder how he feels about himself. Coward.

Roy Keane would have made sure Williams knew what he'd done, later in the match.
 
yea doesn't look good, does it!

would of hurt too, and quite arrogant the way he did it, as if he didn't acknowledge it

deserved to get slapped, maybe fergie will do it
 
Is this the same Fergie who booted Beckham in the head with a football boot? Pot kettle black, sorry Fergie but you're talking rot saying our Ash could have killed RVP. Had to have a chuckle at Man U fans on various sites calling for the FA to ban Williams, don't they know they got no power due to jurisdiction. Fools!

As for the game, think we rode our luck a bit though and after we went 1-0 I thought we were possibly on for another repeat of the Everton game but we dug in, Michu got the equaliser and we held on, rather proud to have taken a point off Man U its almost like a win.
 
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Whatever Fergie says, if someone did that to you on a pitch you'd be pissed off. Obviously it couldn't have killed him, that's just Fergie being a d*ck, but it's interesting that football fans have more ire about something Fergie said than Wiliam's cowardice.

Also, for 'the most attractive team in the league who play the right way' - good to see a lot of the darker arts in that game from Swansea. If they want to stay up (and I hope they do) they need to be willing to do that.
 
bebo said:
, well he call the ref young like if he doesn't qualify . Mutd don't deserve the win calling the ref out for his age is a disgrace.
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Did you watch the game? No.

Did you read the headlines? Yes.

If you'd watch, you'd know exactly what Fergie is saying. Every 'hard' decision, Oliver chickened out. Williams deliberately booted RVP, and more importantly RVP raised his hands to Williams. Both should probabyl have had red, he gave nothing. There were numerous other times (such as in the lead up to the Swans' goal) when there were clear fouls, but because it would affect something big, he didn't give it.

It's the same as when Fergie accused Wiley of being out of shape. The media flew into a rage, but I watched that game with a FIFA ref, and he agreed the ref looked like he couldn't keep up with play. And lo and behold he then retired a few months later.

Fergie is annoying arrogant pr*ck, but it doesn't mean he's wrong. Oliver behaved like a young, unconfident ref swayed by the home crowd today. Happens. I hope we get more of him at Old Trafford :)
 
beachryan said:
Did you watch the game? No.

Did you read the headlines? Yes.

If you'd watch, you'd know exactly what Fergie is saying. Every 'hard' decision, Oliver chickened out. Williams deliberately booted RVP, and more importantly RVP raised his hands to Williams. Both should probabyl have had red, he gave nothing. There were numerous other times (such as in the lead up to the Swans' goal) when there were clear fouls, but because it would affect something big, he didn't give it.

It's the same as when Fergie accused Wiley of being out of shape. The media flew into a rage, but I watched that game with a FIFA ref, and he agreed the ref looked like he couldn't keep up with play. And lo and behold he then retired a few months later.

Fergie is annoying arrogant pr*ck, but it doesn't mean he's wrong. Oliver behaved like a young, unconfident ref swayed by the home crowd today. Happens. I hope we get more of him at Old Trafford :)
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:LOL: that made my afternoon... your funny Ryan!
I`m just commentating on Fergie`s post match ,not the game. The only bit about the match antics that was funny was Evra vs Routeledge :LOL:

RVP is always causing avoidable conflicts on the pitch from elbow flying to trash talking. Did he deserve it? yes! he`s a dirty wum on the pitch. Williams is not known for Pepetic ,you have to assume he was pushed to the edge by a very clever frustrated finisher Robin the disloyalist Persie
 
@ Bebo - That's my point. Fergie and the media have now provided the narrative, regardless of what actually happened. And people will form opinions based on that, not reality. Like yourself.
 
Wonder how many times rvp has hit the post so far this season lol.
Also funny to see that rvp can still get pissed off.. Was almost beginning to worry about the fact he's been so calm this season.

Disappointing result but hell the premier is one big entertaining mess so far this season. It's scary to see how United can totally dominate at times yet fail to capitalize on it. Getting tired of the conceding a goal to get em fired up. We seem to lack someone w the instinct of a pitbull atm. Even Rooney doesn't seem to be very motivated at times. And lastly... Dammit Evra... You're a freaking defender.
 
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@kitman_swans: Ferguson v Beckham (just a bruise) Cantona v fan (slight overreaction) Keane v Haaland (innocent mistake) Williams v RvP (attempted murder)
 
Ferguson's hilarious :LOL:

One thing i have to add, to people who say it was deliberate and he knew what he was doing, and especially to people who say the whistle had gone and it was needless, has anyone seen it again at full speed with sound or just gifs and slow-motion videos? Because if you watch it at normal speed it's pretty obvious the whistle goes as he's in mid-swing, not before it at all

YouTube - Ashley Williams Kicks the ball at Robin van Persie's head! (Swansea Vs Manchester United 1-1)

See?

IMO Fergie needs to apologise for this outburst, he's essentially calling Ashley William's an attempted murderer :LOL:
 
UJSupanova said:
Ferguson's hilarious :LOL:

One thing i have to add, to people who say it was deliberate and he knew what he was doing, and especially to people who say the whistle had gone and it was needless, has anyone seen it again at full speed with sound or just gifs and slow-motion videos? Because if you watch it at normal speed it's pretty obvious the whistle goes as he's in mid-swing, not before it at all

YouTube - Ashley Williams Kicks the ball at Robin van Persie's head! (Swansea Vs Manchester United 1-1)

See?

IMO Fergie needs to apologise for this outburst, he's essentially calling Ashley William's an attempted murderer :LOL:
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What SAF said was out of line indeed, but I don't buy for a second that what Williams did wasnt deliberate. You can't tell me a professional footballer would do something that dumb regardless of when the whistle goes. Also take the taking down shortlybefore that moment into account. IMHO his facial expression says enough. You could say I'm crying wolf here but if it had happened involving a player of your own favorite team I'd wager some folks would look at it differently. The daily mail article bringing forth past incidents caused by united players or those saying similarly "yeah but remember when cantona, Keane, player xyz did this?" Is just ridiculous on numerous levels. But hey its the season to be jolly..we've played one of the toughest schedules in the league thus far and were siting fairly pretty so I'm not complaining.

Oh and yes indeed; Merry Christmas everyone!
 
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dplane said:
What SAF said was out of line indeed, but I don't buy for a second that what Williams did wasnt deliberate. You can't tell me a professional footballer would do something that dumb regardless of when the whistle goes. Also take the taking down shortlybefore that moment into account. IMHO his facial expression says enough. You could say I'm crying wolf here but if it had happened involving a player of your own favorite team I'd wager some folks would look at it differently. The daily mail article bringing forth past incidents caused by united players or those saying similarly "yeah but remember when cantona, Keane, player xyz did this?" Is just ridiculous on numerous levels. But hey its the season to be jolly..we've played one of the toughest schedules in the league thus far and were siting fairly pretty so I'm not complaining.

Oh and yes indeed; Merry Christmas everyone!
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Nah i'm not buying it. You find it surprising that a defender would want to hit the ball as hard as he can out of the area? van Persie fell in front of him at the same time, that's not really his fault. Does anyone really think he'd be that stupid to put his team in danger by deliberately hitting it at an opponent on the edge of the box and meaning it could deflect anywhere? As you can see on the video the ref hadn't blown when he swung so as far as he knows the ball is still in play.

As for facial expressions, that's pretty irrelevent imo, he's looking at van Persie because as he's trying to clear the ball van Persie is falling in front of him, he looks like that because he's worried he's going to gift United an opportunity if it bounces back into the box.


Anyway, merry christmas mancs :D
 
it looked deliberate but i don't think he could of been died though.. remember when bernard got knocked out by robert?
 
Dazzlà said:
it looked deliberate but i don't think he could of been died though.. remember when bernard got knocked out by robert?
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Think about it though, the whistle didn't go until he was kicking the ball, why would a professional player deliberately kick the ball at an opponent on the edge of their own box knowing it could bounce anywhere? It would literally make no sense at all.
 
UJSupanova said:
Think about it though, the whistle didn't go until he was kicking the ball, why would a professional player deliberately kick the ball at an opponent on the edge of their own box knowing it could bounce anywhere? It would literally make no sense at all.
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He knew it was a foul, look at his face he winds up knowing RVP is ripe for the kicking.. Baffled how people can see
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