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Aboutreika18
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- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Trying to get himself in the frame for the job after Dalglish leaves.
Trying to get himself in the frame for the job after Dalglish leaves.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Rumour is that Glen Johnson will be given a go on right midfield (a position he's far more suited to) and Danny Wilson at left-back. Wilson's quite promising and it's good to see he's getting a chance under Kenny.
Really love that Kenny is giving the likes of Wilson and Shelvey more time and responsibility. Can't wait for tonight
Rumour is that Glen Johnson will be given a go on right midfield (a position he's far more suited to) and Danny Wilson at left-back. Wilson's quite promising and it's good to see he's getting a chance under Kenny.
Really love that Kenny is giving the likes of Wilson and Shelvey more time and responsibility. Can't wait for tonight
TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Was hoping he would put Johnson on the right (just to see if it works) as Kuyt will likely take up Gerrard's position and I would rather have Johnson at rw then Babel. But maybe Maxi will move there and Bundi starts on the left...
Was hoping he would put Johnson on the right (just to see if it works) as Kuyt will likely take up Gerrard's position and I would rather have Johnson at rw then Babel. But maybe Maxi will move there and Bundi starts on the left...
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Maxi on the left if the rumoured team is to be believed, Kuyt behind Torres.
Maxi on the left if the rumoured team is to be believed, Kuyt behind Torres.
PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
The thing is Dalglish was never away and will never be away from the club either..he was always there...just he is the manager now.. so i would say after he will be replaced by other manager
Dalglish year ago on LFC azia tour
rumours about lineup tonight:
------------------- Pepe
Kelly --- Skrtel ---- Agger --- Wilson (Flat and solid back four)
Johnson --- Lucas --- Raul----- Maxi (Midfield 4 with Johnson as a direct pacey wing-man and Maxi tucked in supporting Lucas and Raul but slightly ahead of them)
----------------- Kuyt --------------(Kuyt just behind Torres in the hole, supporting midfield of Lucas, Raul and may be Maxi at times)
----------------- Torres -------------- (Torres playing on the shoulders of their center-backs, occasionally pressing)
Trying to get himself in the frame for the job after Dalglish leaves.
The thing is Dalglish was never away and will never be away from the club either..he was always there...just he is the manager now.. so i would say after he will be replaced by other manager
Dalglish year ago on LFC azia tour
rumours about lineup tonight:
------------------- Pepe
Kelly --- Skrtel ---- Agger --- Wilson (Flat and solid back four)
Johnson --- Lucas --- Raul----- Maxi (Midfield 4 with Johnson as a direct pacey wing-man and Maxi tucked in supporting Lucas and Raul but slightly ahead of them)
----------------- Kuyt --------------(Kuyt just behind Torres in the hole, supporting midfield of Lucas, Raul and may be Maxi at times)
----------------- Torres -------------- (Torres playing on the shoulders of their center-backs, occasionally pressing)
PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
btw try this http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/page/the-kop.html?as=173471
btw try this http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/page/the-kop.html?as=173471
YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
so out of curiosity say if your form stays the same or gets even worse, how long before you want Dalglish out?
so out of curiosity say if your form stays the same or gets even worse, how long before you want Dalglish out?
PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Dalglish has his contract untill the end of season...no matter how he does, if he will be worse, i stand by him.. he is someone i can be proud to say he is manager...and he wont be worse than Hodgson imo.
Dalglish has his contract untill the end of season...no matter how he does, if he will be worse, i stand by him.. he is someone i can be proud to say he is manager...and he wont be worse than Hodgson imo.
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DagsJT
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Exactly. United fans thinking we've suddenly become these fickle supporters because we didn't let Hodgson relegate us
Kenny, unlike some, has a proven track record of winning trophies in England. If he can't get the team to play, then you look at the players.
Exactly. United fans thinking we've suddenly become these fickle supporters because we didn't let Hodgson relegate us
Kenny, unlike some, has a proven track record of winning trophies in England. If he can't get the team to play, then you look at the players.
YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
so basically if your in the relegation zone come March or April time you won't call for change.
so basically if your in the relegation zone come March or April time you won't call for change.
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DagsJT
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Why would we? If we are, does that mean that it's Kenny's fault? Or is it Roy's fault for getting us so close to relegation in January to begin with?
Surely if two managers have a go and the situation doesn't change, you can't then blame both managers?
It wasn't long ago that we were being accused of blind loyalty for still believing in Rafa. Roy clearly does a shit job, we want him out before it gets worse and now we're gone from blind loyalty to being Newcastle fans all of a sudden?
Hodgson had Blackburn in the relegation zone in December, he was sacked and Brian Kidd took over. Despite Kidd doing better, the damage had already been done and Kidd was fighting a losing battle. It's not the first time Roy's made a balls-up of a club and Liverpool fans aren't expecting us to win the league this season. We're realistic to know that he's left us in a shit position and we're likely to finish mid-table I'd imagine.
Why would we? If we are, does that mean that it's Kenny's fault? Or is it Roy's fault for getting us so close to relegation in January to begin with?
Surely if two managers have a go and the situation doesn't change, you can't then blame both managers?
It wasn't long ago that we were being accused of blind loyalty for still believing in Rafa. Roy clearly does a shit job, we want him out before it gets worse and now we're gone from blind loyalty to being Newcastle fans all of a sudden?
Hodgson had Blackburn in the relegation zone in December, he was sacked and Brian Kidd took over. Despite Kidd doing better, the damage had already been done and Kidd was fighting a losing battle. It's not the first time Roy's made a balls-up of a club and Liverpool fans aren't expecting us to win the league this season. We're realistic to know that he's left us in a shit position and we're likely to finish mid-table I'd imagine.
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PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
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this would be to late then anyway....chainge just happend and i belive a chainge for good...
beside apointing Kenny is not the only chainge that happend this week...
and to answer your question: no
this would be to late then anyway....chainge just happend and i belive a chainge for good...
beside apointing Kenny is not the only chainge that happend this week...
and to answer your question: no
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DagsJT
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When Ferguson retires, how long before United fans call for the new managers head if the new guy takes time to settle in? Not long at all I imagine. I've said for years that United fans sit there mocking other teams, fans, managers. But they've not known anything different to Ferguson, and he's not the kind of manager who comes along every year.
I'm going to take a punt and say that United will lose a LOT, an awful lot, of fans when the new manager comes in and isn't as successful as Ferguson (because the chances of getting another Ferguson are ridiculously slim). And then Man City will have an influx of new fans
If I was a United fan, I'd make the most of Ferguson being there and having a manager of his calibre in charge. Because once he's gone, it could go horribly wrong. You'll still have the name etc, same as we had when we were so successful in the 80's. But once the manager has gone who made it all tick, you're taking a big gamble and they don't often pay off where you get a manager who's of a similar level.
Like I said, look at Liverpool in the 80's. Look at Chelsea since Mourinho left. Likely countless other clubs around too, who were successful and then had a manager change and it went downhill.
So when Ferguson goes and Man Utd fail to hold the same level that fans are used to, I hope that these threads are saved so we can look back on the fans gloating so much because they expect success if a given and it's always going to be there. And I don't think most United fans are even thinking about post-Ferguson, they'll have a big shock coming in my opinion.
Dalglish has changed the club already. He's united the fans together for the first time in years. You could hear the effect at Old Trafford where we outsung the United fans for large parts of the game despite only having 9000 fans there. Anfield is going to be rocking on Sunday. The effect that having the crowd behind the team on a matchday shouldn't be underestimated and can provide a huge catalyst for us.
On top of that, we've brought in a proven coach in Steve Clarke (who Mourinho has been quoted saying he'd be a better manager than most current managers) and the players will have immediate respect for a man who's won so much both as a player and manager, a legend in the game and not just at our club. If the players don't get a boost from that ... well, they don't deserve to even play football frankly.
(It's a quiet day in work)
When Ferguson retires, how long before United fans call for the new managers head if the new guy takes time to settle in? Not long at all I imagine. I've said for years that United fans sit there mocking other teams, fans, managers. But they've not known anything different to Ferguson, and he's not the kind of manager who comes along every year.
I'm going to take a punt and say that United will lose a LOT, an awful lot, of fans when the new manager comes in and isn't as successful as Ferguson (because the chances of getting another Ferguson are ridiculously slim). And then Man City will have an influx of new fans
If I was a United fan, I'd make the most of Ferguson being there and having a manager of his calibre in charge. Because once he's gone, it could go horribly wrong. You'll still have the name etc, same as we had when we were so successful in the 80's. But once the manager has gone who made it all tick, you're taking a big gamble and they don't often pay off where you get a manager who's of a similar level.
Like I said, look at Liverpool in the 80's. Look at Chelsea since Mourinho left. Likely countless other clubs around too, who were successful and then had a manager change and it went downhill.
So when Ferguson goes and Man Utd fail to hold the same level that fans are used to, I hope that these threads are saved so we can look back on the fans gloating so much because they expect success if a given and it's always going to be there. And I don't think most United fans are even thinking about post-Ferguson, they'll have a big shock coming in my opinion.
Dalglish has changed the club already. He's united the fans together for the first time in years. You could hear the effect at Old Trafford where we outsung the United fans for large parts of the game despite only having 9000 fans there. Anfield is going to be rocking on Sunday. The effect that having the crowd behind the team on a matchday shouldn't be underestimated and can provide a huge catalyst for us.
On top of that, we've brought in a proven coach in Steve Clarke (who Mourinho has been quoted saying he'd be a better manager than most current managers) and the players will have immediate respect for a man who's won so much both as a player and manager, a legend in the game and not just at our club. If the players don't get a boost from that ... well, they don't deserve to even play football frankly.
(It's a quiet day in work)
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PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
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mate i would not say Ferguson is that special, he was going to be sacked his first seasons for United but he got the chance to stay...
more than making him the reason - only reason - i would say United comparing to us or other teams in PL have or had amazing young academy that Ferguson could pick always good players...then also asistent coach and great board...United are big becouse of important wins, important wins came becouse good players picked...but good players came becouse a lot money - a lot money came becouse an amazing marketing... and so on...
working with this kind of people or managment is easy for Ferguson, i respect him as manager personaly..but less as a person, i think he became to much hypocratic since as i see him in his first years..
For example in Aberdeen, he has been more coach i liked than now...now he seems to me to much arogant..but he is champion no doubt.
mate i would not say Ferguson is that special, he was going to be sacked his first seasons for United but he got the chance to stay...
more than making him the reason - only reason - i would say United comparing to us or other teams in PL have or had amazing young academy that Ferguson could pick always good players...then also asistent coach and great board...United are big becouse of important wins, important wins came becouse good players picked...but good players came becouse a lot money - a lot money came becouse an amazing marketing... and so on...
working with this kind of people or managment is easy for Ferguson, i respect him as manager personaly..but less as a person, i think he became to much hypocratic since as i see him in his first years..
For example in Aberdeen, he has been more coach i liked than now...now he seems to me to much arogant..but he is champion no doubt.
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Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Yeah, I can see exactly where you're coming from, Dags and it's one of the things I'm almost resigned to expecting when SAF calls it a day. The pressure on whoever succeeds him will be ridiculous and we could have history repeat itself, as we went through several managers after Busby and went 26 years without a league title.
Tbh though, it would also be refreshing after all the success we've had to go through a period where this generation of Man Utd fans sees the "other side" of football, many of whom know no better than SAF and consistent success.
We'll inevitably go through a period of decline, as with any football club. But it might weed out the Glory Hunters and make it a bit easier to get tickets.
Yeah, I can see exactly where you're coming from, Dags and it's one of the things I'm almost resigned to expecting when SAF calls it a day. The pressure on whoever succeeds him will be ridiculous and we could have history repeat itself, as we went through several managers after Busby and went 26 years without a league title.
Tbh though, it would also be refreshing after all the success we've had to go through a period where this generation of Man Utd fans sees the "other side" of football, many of whom know no better than SAF and consistent success.
We'll inevitably go through a period of decline, as with any football club. But it might weed out the Glory Hunters and make it a bit easier to get tickets.
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DagsJT
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TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I say we go for Hanson...or a Lawro Lawro Lawrenson.
I say we go for Hanson...or a Lawro Lawro Lawrenson.
RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
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- Manchester United
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I wouldnt mind that. Im sure we've all seen more than a handful of United fans that we've been ashamed to be associated with...We'll inevitably go through a period of decline, as with any football club. But it might weed out the Glory Hunters and make it a bit easier to get tickets.
PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
great free to watch video there about Kenny http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/video/Features/Behind-the-scen-23727.php3
great free to watch video there about Kenny http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/video/Features/Behind-the-scen-23727.php3
YoungGun_UK
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I do agree with that Dags but I think SAF will leave the next manager a great team, I think once that team fades I'll start to worry (also when we lose or draw a game and everyone shouts SACK!)
I do agree with that Dags but I think SAF will leave the next manager a great team, I think once that team fades I'll start to worry (also when we lose or draw a game and everyone shouts SACK!)
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
I've read somewhere that might happen tonight.
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DagsJT
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See even if he leaves a great team, it's having a manager to make the most of them. You've not always had great teams but Ferguson gets them working well together as a team.
See even if he leaves a great team, it's having a manager to make the most of them. You've not always had great teams but Ferguson gets them working well together as a team.
PIPA23
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- 21 June 2007
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and that´s the thing he is best at...that´s why this season IF Liverpool would be the same of 2008-09 would win it..
even if poor team, Ferguson does the best of it.. this is most remarkable on him..
and that´s the thing he is best at...that´s why this season IF Liverpool would be the same of 2008-09 would win it..
even if poor team, Ferguson does the best of it.. this is most remarkable on him..
gerd
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Exactly...and if Ferguson wants to leave his successor a good team, he has to change quite a lot because the current crop is not that good.
We'll inevitably go through a period of decline, as with any football club. But it might weed out the Glory Hunters and make it a bit easier to get tickets.
Exactly...and if Ferguson wants to leave his successor a good team, he has to change quite a lot because the current crop is not that good.
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TikTikTikTikTik
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- 7 August 2004
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I think Fergie's quality isn't so much creating the "best" team but the mentality he instills. Everyone, including themselves expects Utd to win, always. These days the opposition has some of that mentality aswell so it's not totally one sided, but he did create that with the succes they have had.
I think the test for the next manager will be how to continue that mentality, instead of continuing a good/great team. Once the opposition smells blood a large part of Utd's strength will diminish, look at Chelsea this season, that will only get worse and with their ageing squad will be very tough for them imo.
Same with Liverpool, I remember an opposition manager commentating that they couldn't get AT Liverpool with Alonso as he was too quick in both directions for them to close him down and press Liverpool high up. The moment he left teams got on top of Liverpool and they have been struggling since. That's actually more a tactical/skill issue, but the mentality has also changed because of that. Teams feel equal to them now, never used to be like that, and that can be enough.
I think Fergie's quality isn't so much creating the "best" team but the mentality he instills. Everyone, including themselves expects Utd to win, always. These days the opposition has some of that mentality aswell so it's not totally one sided, but he did create that with the succes they have had.
I think the test for the next manager will be how to continue that mentality, instead of continuing a good/great team. Once the opposition smells blood a large part of Utd's strength will diminish, look at Chelsea this season, that will only get worse and with their ageing squad will be very tough for them imo.
Same with Liverpool, I remember an opposition manager commentating that they couldn't get AT Liverpool with Alonso as he was too quick in both directions for them to close him down and press Liverpool high up. The moment he left teams got on top of Liverpool and they have been struggling since. That's actually more a tactical/skill issue, but the mentality has also changed because of that. Teams feel equal to them now, never used to be like that, and that can be enough.
mathewsss
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Brilliant post....Fergie is a great motivator...
we have suffered immensely with the loss of Alonso
and it broke our midfield....and once you don't have a good midfield
everything else falls apart...
what we are seeing now is the long-lasting effects.....
I wish we could get Alonso back....he is not too old and can play
for atleast 3-4 years more I would think...
Meireles is not in the same class....and we really need a world-class
central midfielder.....
Schweinsteiger is one I can think of...but he'll never come here
unless we are in the CL.
Aquilani is good...but not the same type as Alonso...
Regarding confidence...if anyone can improve that with the given
squad....Dalglish is the one....he will get us buzzing again
and put that fire back in the belly....and the winning mentality.
Add a few more signings and we could get back into the top 4 soon.
Brilliant post....Fergie is a great motivator...
we have suffered immensely with the loss of Alonso
and it broke our midfield....and once you don't have a good midfield
everything else falls apart...
what we are seeing now is the long-lasting effects.....
I wish we could get Alonso back....he is not too old and can play
for atleast 3-4 years more I would think...
Meireles is not in the same class....and we really need a world-class
central midfielder.....
Schweinsteiger is one I can think of...but he'll never come here
unless we are in the CL.
Aquilani is good...but not the same type as Alonso...
Regarding confidence...if anyone can improve that with the given
squad....Dalglish is the one....he will get us buzzing again
and put that fire back in the belly....and the winning mentality.
Add a few more signings and we could get back into the top 4 soon.
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DagsJT
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Re: Liverpool Thread(King Kenny!!)
Rumoured team is way off.
Jovanovic and Poulsen both start.
Poulsen
SACK KENNY!
Rumoured team is way off.
Jovanovic and Poulsen both start.
Poulsen
SACK KENNY!
gerd
Retired Footballer
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Give Pulsen a chance, he used tgo be brilliant for Sevilla when they were a fantastic team...at the time he was their most important player.
I agree that Alonso was Liverpool"s most influential and important player, but Aquilani is very good too...on hte other hand it is too early to judge Meireles.
Give Pulsen a chance, he used tgo be brilliant for Sevilla when they were a fantastic team...at the time he was their most important player.
I agree that Alonso was Liverpool"s most influential and important player, but Aquilani is very good too...on hte other hand it is too early to judge Meireles.