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Not sure about the US bid tbh. It just looks like a somewhat more financially strong H/G. I wouldn't expect these companies to accept the nonsense going on at City and would expect the business dealings of the club to be very financially sound with them looking to get some profit out of it.

That's what worries me with these people, they aren't bidding to make the club the biggest in the world with no limitations like Chelsea and City, they are businesses that will want to make money out of their investment. And we all know clubs can barely make decent profits, with a couple (Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool) having enough commercial draw to make maybe 10-30mil a year. That's 1 or 2 players a season. And then they can only stay at the top with 2 of the best managers in the world, Liverpool were trying to keep their head above water without the extra investment and you can see what's happened with a poorer manager in charge* (albiet in very negative circumstances). The club would need 100mil of player investment, 300mil stadium invetsment, a new top class manager and having all the income generated to be used for squad development the next few years before the new owners could even think about getting some profit! I can't see them doing that tbh.

* There really is no point in comparing which manager is better, just look at their careers. And if you really want to use Fulham as an example.......Then you can consider Peter Reid a great manager aswell seeing as he got Sunderland promoted and had them finish in the top 6 two seasons running. I think we can all agree we don't consider him a top manager.
 
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The danger with owners coming in with no limitations is that they'll get bored at some point and want to leave, and then you're left with players on huge wages and no money to improve the squad.

If NESV intend to strengthen the squad and then run a tight ship and run us properly, I'd be happy with that.

Purslow and Broughton are experienced in financial matters, surely if anyone is going to put in enough due dilligence into NESV, it has to be those two. Right? :JAY:

NESV haven't said anything either, whether they do intend to invest in the squad, whether a new stadium is in the plans, whether there's going to be a fan representative on board. Purslow has said all along that the new owners must agree to significant funds towards buying players and committing to a stadium and that no deal would be agreed if these weren't met. So you'd THINK that NESV have met this criteria...

Jay McKenna from SoS was on Sky Sports News earlier, and the way he spoke was that SoS haven't spoken to NESV at all. A bit worrying.

Edit: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/08/mlb.owners/index.html
 
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I don't know a ton about the red sox, but they seem to always bring in the talent necessary to win. It seems like their team is full of established players though. Not a lot of youngsters, but that could be more of a baseball thing.
It's hard to say if any positives or negatives are a direct result of the owners though. I've never heard how involved they are with anything.
They missed the playoffs this year but i believe they had a ton of injuries. I get the impression that once they're done with you, that's it, you're out.

I should state that I absolutely hate baseball and don't really watch it. So I'm not the best to comment, these are just my observations.
 
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DagsJT said:
Jay McKenna from SoS was on Sky Sports News earlier, and the way he spoke was that SoS haven't spoken to NESV at all. A bit worrying.

Edit: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/baseball/mlb/05/08/mlb.owners/index.html
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Why?

I don't think it's worrying at all, why would they speak to some fans before they've made a bid to buy the club and risk the story being leaked to the press before it's even happened? I think SOS are a being a bit naive here. I'm glad NESV have gone about it in a professional way rather than doing what DIC, Huang, Kirdi etc. have done in the past by talking a big game but not following through. NESV did everything on the quiet with the club officials and only the club officials, the way it should be done.
 
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UJSupanova said:
Why?

I don't think it's worrying at all, why would they speak to some fans before they've made a bid to buy the club and risk the story being leaked to the press before it's even happened? I think SOS are a being a bit naive here. I'm glad NESV have gone about it in a professional way rather than doing what DIC, Huang, Kirdi etc. have done in the past by talking a big game but not following through. NESV did everything on the quiet with the club officials and only the club officials, the way it should be done.
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Good point actually, still hope that talks can place about having a fan rep though. I saw someone mention that the Red Sox have a fan rep and that they meet with the board each month, sounds pretty good to me.
 
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DagsJT said:
Good point actually, still hope that talks can place about having a fan rep though. I saw someone mention that the Red Sox have a fan rep and that they meet with the board each month, sounds pretty good to me.
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Yeh i'm all for having a fan rep, what i'm not all for is SOS dictating how things should be done.

Sometimes they appear to have the clubs best interests at heart, other times they seem to be agenda driven idiots hellbent on getting what they want. They've spread an awful lot of lies about Hicks and Gillett and have sensationalised a lot of the problems we've had in order to garner more support, and for that reason i'm out. :SMUG:
 
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UJSupanova said:
Yeh i'm all for having a fan rep, what i'm not all for is SOS dictating how things should be done.

Sometimes they appear to have the clubs best interests at heart, other times they seem to be agenda driven idiots hellbent on getting what they want. They've spread an awful lot of lies about Hicks and Gillett and have sensationalised a lot of the problems we've had in order to garner more support, and for that reason i'm out. :SMUG:
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:LOL:

I've always wondered what SoS will do once the club has changed hands. Kinda like they're a bit TOO obsessed and happy to have something to do but I think they'll be a bit lost once we're taken over.

In saying that, they've done a lot to publicise how badly run the club is and highlight G&H.
 
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I agree with that too, surely there's better representatives that SOS though?

EDIT: 3 posts since I started wrote that :LOL: You know what I meant.
 
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DagsJT said:
:LOL:

I've always wondered what SoS will do once the club has changed hands. Kinda like they're a bit TOO obsessed and happy to have something to do but I think they'll be a bit lost once we're taken over.

In saying that, they've done a lot to publicise how badly run the club is and highlight G&H.
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They'll probably continue with the pipe dream that is fan ownership tbh.
 
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DagsJT said:
The danger with owners coming in with no limitations is that they'll get bored at some point and want to leave, and then you're left with players on huge wages and no money to improve the squad.
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When has this ever happened? It's always mooted as a stick to beat a club with, god knows it's happened at City. But I've yet to ever see a change of ownership of a club happen because someone was 'bored'.
It usually comes down to financial restrictions forcing someone to sell up. The 'unlimited' pots from the likes of Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour show no signs of becoming bored and leaving.

Personally, I think anyone who says 'what happens when the rich bloke gets bored' is merely highlighting how little they know about the business side of football.

I say good luck to Liverpool, and anyone who happens upon rich ownership. If it makes the league more competitive and breaks up the status quo of the top 2/3/4, without risk of those who don't receive CL money leaving because they can't afford it, I'm all for it.
 
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the new UEFA rules will put a stop to the Man City model of spending ridiculous amounts on money on players who are worth less than half of what was paid. That's why i'm glad we haven't got some daft oil baron in spending shitloads of money on prima donnas which could get us disqualified from UEFA competitions.
 
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DagsJT said:
Abramovich and Mansour can't last forever tho, that's the worry.
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Well, yes, they can.


UJSupanova said:
the new UEFA rules will put a stop to the Man City model of spending ridiculous amounts on money on players who are worth less than half of what was paid. That's why i'm glad we haven't got some daft oil baron in spending shitloads of money on prima donnas which could get us disqualified from UEFA competitions.
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Despite what the press would have you believe, the UEFA regulations will not stop any Prem club from competing in Europe (even £800 million in debt Man Yoo), aside from anything else, UEFA are hugely fearful of any disqualifications of the 'big clubs' leading to the formation of a different league. One where the clubs see more of the money than UEFA themselves.
 
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quiet_riot said:
Well, yes, they can.
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quiet_riot said:
Despite what the press would have you believe, the UEFA regulations will not stop any Prem club from competing in Europe (even £800 million in debt Man Yoo), aside from anything else, UEFA are hugely fearful of any disqualifications of the 'big clubs' leading to the formation of a different league. One where the clubs see more of the money than UEFA themselves.
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:ROLL:

The Glazer's debt is irrelevant. We make a profit and fall inside UEFA's rules. At he moment you don't and given that the transfer fees are amortized over the duration of the players contract, there's a possibility that when it comes to the crunch in 2012, you won't then either.

Saying that, I agree with you that nothing will happen. City will have either found a way around it or UEFA will back down and give special dispensation of sorts.
 
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As part of the deal with NESV - Liverpool FC will, indirectly, be part-owned by the World's richest man, Carlos Slim, $55billion.
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If that's true, then :SHOCK:
 
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quiet_riot said:
Well, yes, they can.




Despite what the press would have you believe, the UEFA regulations will not stop any Prem club from competing in Europe (even £800 million in debt Man Yoo), aside from anything else, UEFA are hugely fearful of any disqualifications of the 'big clubs' leading to the formation of a different league. One where the clubs see more of the money than UEFA themselves.
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It's not about debt levels it's about operating at a loss. You aren't allowed into UEFA competitions if you've had a loss for 3 consecutive seasons (i think that's the rule, or something like that) and at the minute city are operating at a big loss consistently.

Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea are all making profits.
 
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quiet_riot said:
When has this ever happened? It's always mooted as a stick to beat a club with, god knows it's happened at City. But I've yet to ever see a change of ownership of a club happen because someone was 'bored'.
It usually comes down to financial restrictions forcing someone to sell up. The 'unlimited' pots from the likes of Abramovich and Sheikh Mansour show no signs of becoming bored and leaving.

Personally, I think anyone who says 'what happens when the rich bloke gets bored' is merely highlighting how little they know about the business side of football.
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Dream on my friend...it happens all the time in lower league football.
It happened with Tapie and Marseille in France, it happened with Racing Matra in France.
It happened twice in Belgium: with my favourite club (RWDM) who had a rich owner and who walked away...the club does not exist anymore.

It happened wit KV Mechelen who had a rich owner in the '80's. Mechelen came out of the blue, went on to win the ECII (against Ajax), became champions and the the guy left...Anderlecht bought their best players, they relegated and are since two years once again in the Jupiler League.

I know that you can't compare those two Belgian clubs with Man City and Chelsea, but that was another era.

Racing Matra can easily be compared with both English clubs (come to think of it there used to be a similar French club, i think it was Cannes...Cantona played one season for them).

Oh and didn't it happened to a lesser degree with Elton John and Watford?

There must be plenty of other examples.
 
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Hey, at least if it all goes wrong you'll be able to reuse the 'Yanks Out' flags and banners. Saves forking out for 'Bugger off Arabs' or whatever.
 
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UJSupanova said:
It's not about debt levels it's about operating at a loss. You aren't allowed into UEFA competitions if you've had a loss for 3 consecutive seasons (i think that's the rule, or something like that) and at the minute city are operating at a big loss consistently.

Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea are all making profits.
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No wishing to turn this into a City thread, how is one season's announced loss "consistently?"
We made a loss because we paid transfer fees in one payment, not staggered like many do. Last year, all 'loss' was tunred into equity and therefore we did not make an official loss.
I'm at a loss how you came to that conclusion?
 
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Jumbo_ said:
Last season your total turnover was £125m, and you spent £133m on wages alone.
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Listen, the Ferrostaal, Etihad, Etisalat and Aabar deals bring in nearly £100m over the year, so wherever you made your numbers up from is way out.


Not that you're bothered about likkle Citeh or Liverpool of course. ;)
 
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