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mathewsss said:
I never thought I would say this.....but we are regretting having let
go of Rafa....I was not a fan of Rafa after last season...
but Roy has made this club worse....
Somehow I just can't see it improve by much....

To me if fans can see the glaring defencies in this squad
- lack of cover for Torres
- no wingers
- no proper fullbacks

and the management goes and signs a bunch of central players
(Cole, Poulsen, Meireles)

For a moment, seeing Houllier is doing well at Aston Villa
I thought to myself....our 2 best managers in the last 20 years
are managing at other clubs...
Although both Rafa and Houllier did well and finally got burnt
out .....but going for Hodgson....and seeing his lack of motivation
and lowering of targets......just does not make sense.
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Rafa would not last long imo, even if the team played well...dont want to say he did not have funds for new players, just we had to wait for biger spenders and then there was our turn..if you think about it Rafa mostly bought players to the club who in first place wanted to join LFC...this was case of many including Torres..who had much MUCH better deals from other clubs like United or Milan etc..I still dont think for example that Keane was Rafas buy, especialy in the season we played well the 433 formation and that was not working with Torres + Keane... i think Keane as Joe Cole are the buys of Purslow... nothing can chainge my mind...even Roy dont know where to play Cole and he sacirfices Gerrards top spot on field as player behind striker and playes him much to deep...

then there is Aquilani, many say he was benitez mistake, i dont think, he was mistake when we bought him...just Rafa or someone in the board buy him to replace Xabi Alonso...wich he could not...Aquilani playes the same thing as Gerrard..he is to god to play as CM... the other thing is his attitude or will to figt..

dont want to repeat we are in trouble now...but saying that Rafa did bad..becouse he is bad manager...is plain stupid, even if you like how we play or not..we were much better than we are now.. not to mention Rafa is foreign and what he achieved, with no matter who said is amazing imo...he made us in 3 years with his players serious Title contenders...the season he was off...was mostly shit becouse of the injury to Torres and more players...to many games with thin squad relatively and lack of funds even if we sold Alonso..

I see this season if we dont improve as fight for staing in premier league...i pray that the current owners will sell the club to someone who has the funds to take us where we belong...otherwise we might as well end up like Leeds... Afterall..it is the players who play on field who make points and the importance of this club to english and european football and our fanbase will not chainge anything on the situation...we have to start making points, we have to start again belive in ourselfs..

Afterall it is almost 2011..in ideal life we were with Rafa, playng on Stanley park a year now with attendance 60 000 fans, with money to build around Torres and Gerrard with top players...plaing in CL and in big 4 of PL... :BYE:
 
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2 things.

United didn't bid for Torres, Fergie didn't think he was up to the demands of the Premier League.

You don't 'belong' anywhere. No team does.
 
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That does not sums it up at all.
IMO that is a very stupid article, especially when he says that Hodgson won only 6 games with both Blackburn and Liverpool. There are years between both periods. He simply "forgets" the splendid job Hodgson did with Fullham.
Liverpool's problem is not Roy Hodgson. The problem are the players (or some players). Get rid of household names like Carragher or Gerrard. No player is bigger than a club.
Liverpool need more players with the spirit of Dirk Kuyt. Kuyt isn't the most talented player in the world, but he always gives 100%. That's what a club like Liverpool need now: fighting spirit.
When seeing the Liverpool matches on MOTD (and i know these aren't full matches) i have also the impression that you guys (fans) are dramatsing. It wasn't that bad against Blackpool and don't forget that Blackpool currently are in a state of grace.

I think Benitez was a great tactician but not so good in his transfers. Players like Glen Johnson (what a stupid penalty, conceding penalties like that is lacking football intelligence) and Jovanovic are simply not good enough for Liverpool. I also don't understand why you have players like Lucas, Poulsen and Meireles in your squad an no creative midfielders (unless one considers Joe Cole as a creative midfielder, but IMO he is not good enough).
I sincerely hope things will get better (and they will, i'm pretty sure of that) because a club like Liverpool belong in the top of the table and not where they are now.

But i think it is unfair to blame Hodgson...
 
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I agree the players deserve a lot of stick....
You are right....drop Poulsen, Johnson, Carragher...
Gerrard provides goals...so it will be absurd dropping him.
but Hodgson and the board should have known that we desperately
needed cover for Torres.....
and we have zero wingers...and yet went and signed Cole, Poulsen
and Meireles...
why on earth did we re-sign Aurelio.....and then send Aquilani
on loan.....so baffling....
All these decisions are backfiring big time...
Even the common fan can see the stupidity of these decisions..
Why could'nt Hodgson and Purslow not ?

Hodgson is out of his depth, one season with Fulham does not mean
anything....Look at Steve McClaren as comparison...he took Boro
to the UEFA final...and was a joke with England...

... I would not want Rafa back either.
I don't think Dalglish is the solution either.....

We need new owners for the situation to change....
to get a gutsy manager who will drop the big time charlies
and sign players who are hungry to play for Liverpool.
 
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It's too early to judge Hodgson.

And about Mc Laren, i read a column last week (the Guardian) that Mc Laren is making a stong case for himself to be the successor of Capello. Managers are judged way too soon both in a positive and in a negative way...
Look at a so-called wizard like Mourinho: i would like to see him while managing Blackpool or Newcastle...(same goes for one of my heroes: Cruijff, he only managed at the top...let him mange Levante or Real Sociedad...i wonder if he would be considered a special coach...).
 
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gerd said:
It's too early to judge Hodgson.

And about Mc Laren, i read a column last week (the Guardian) that Mc Laren is making a stong case for himself to be the successor of Capello. Managers are judged way too soon both in a positive and in a negative way...
Look at a so-called wizard like Mourinho: i would like to see him while managing Blackpool or Newcastle...(same goes for one of my heroes: Cruijff, he only managed at the top...let him mange Levante or Real Sociedad...i wonder if he would be considered a special coach...).
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He managed União de Leiria, a mid/low level team and, when he left to Porto, Leiria were 4th...

Same goes to Hodgson (Fulham), Allegri (Cagliari) or someone else. You just need to be good in what you do, no matter if it is in a low, mid or big enterprise.

It's hard to blame Hodgson. Pool's problems come from the past. And please guys, don't be fool. You are Liverpool Football Club, a winning and prestigious club, you shouldn't even mention the word "relegation", it isn't part of you vocabulary.

Better days will come. :))
 
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I really don't think Hodgson is immune from blame here, the man is tactically inept. When things aren't working and we're playing badly he won't make a change, he waits til the 80th minute before making one and only one substitute. He has no plan B and plan A isn't working, he doesn't seem to know how to fix the problems on the pitch, i'm not talking about the off-the-pitch problems, he has stopped us playing football entirely and turned us into a completely negative outfit.

I know there are people who say Benitez was negative, but his stats prove otherwise, Hodgson's stats prove that he is completely negative. Yes he had one good season with Fulham in the Europa League, but their Premier League form left a lot to be desired, they only won 1 away game all season (and even that was only against Portsmouth) finishing below Birmingham, Blackburn and Stoke with a goal difference of -7 after scoring just 39 goals all season. Liverpool on the other hand had a "disaster" of a season, winning the same amount of games as Man City and having the same goal difference as Tottenham, two teams who had great seasons by their standards.
 
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:LOL: You lost 19 games under Rafa last season. 19!?!

That's enough to qualify for a disaster, if not, the league position should hammer it home.
 
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not in the league we didn't. The point I was making was that yes we had a bad season, but if Fulham hadn't made it through the Europa League nobody would have even mentioned Hodgson because he was shit in the league.
 
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But he got them into the Europa League by finishing 7th the year before. They didn't do so well in the league last year as they were in the EL til the final and have a paper thin squad. I think you're only in Europe this season because Portsmouth couldn't get a UEFA license, if they had that'd make Benitez final season even worse.

To put it in perspective, at the start of last season Rafa sold Alonso and Arebeloa and then with the proceeds bought Kyrgiakos, Aquilani and Johnson for almost £40m.

Hodgson was able to buy Damien Duff and Bjorn Helge Riise for about £5m.

They finished 17 points behind you (you finished 23 behind Chelsea), got further in the FA Cup and got further in the EL with a harder route to the final.

The reason he's got a good reputation is because he took a small Fulham team facing relegation and got them into Europe in one and half seasons. Rafa made you all think you'd win the league then finished 7th, and that could easily have been 8th.
 
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Again, Johnson didn't cost us over £10m because Portsmouth still owed us money for the Crouch deal, so that was written off.

I'll probably have to repeat that again in a month or two, I should bookmark this post.

Does one bad season in the league make you such a bad manager then? Really? His previous seasons don't come into it at all, nor his La Liga success?

Edit: So after typing this, I go and update my Twitter and see this:

JamesHorncastle

Inter have made their worst start in five years under new boss Rafa Benitez
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:LMAO:
 
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Jumbo_ said:
But he got them into the Europa League by finishing 7th the year before. They didn't do so well in the league last year as they were in the EL til the final and have a paper thin squad. I think you're only in Europe this season because Portsmouth couldn't get a UEFA license, if they had that'd make Benitez final season even worse.

To put it in perspective, at the start of last season Rafa sold Alonso and Arebeloa and then with the proceeds bought Kyrgiakos, Aquilani and Johnson for almost £40m.

Hodgson was able to buy Damien Duff and Bjorn Helge Riise for about £5m.

They finished 17 points behind you (you finished 23 behind Chelsea), got further in the FA Cup and got further in the EL with a harder route to the final.

The reason he's got a good reputation is because he took a small Fulham team facing relegation and got them into Europe in one and half seasons. Rafa made you all think you'd win the league then finished 7th, and that could easily have been 8th.
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Completely agree, not bad for a Man United fan...
 
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DagsJT said:
Again, Johnson didn't cost us over £10m because Portsmouth still owed us money for the Crouch deal, so that was written off.

I'll probably have to repeat that again in a month or two, I should bookmark this post.

Does one bad season in the league make you such a bad manager then? Really? His previous seasons don't come into it at all, nor his La Liga success?

Edit: So after typing this, I go and update my Twitter and see this:



:LMAO:
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Well, it was obvius that this season wasnt going to be easy for Inter. They now got competition for the Serie A, something they didnt know what was for the last seasons.
 
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Thanks Gerd :LOL:

DagsJT said:
Again, Johnson didn't cost us over £10m because Portsmouth still owed us money for the Crouch deal, so that was written off.

I'll probably have to repeat that again in a month or two, I should bookmark this post.

Does one bad season in the league make you such a bad manager then? Really? His previous seasons don't come into it at all, nor his La Liga success?
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We're not talking about that though, we are just saying things aren't much worse than they were last season and it's unfair to put all the blame on Hodgson. It's also unfair to disregard his successes at Fulham, I used the transfers to give some perspective. Even if Johnson was only £10m that's still more than Fulham spent just on his own.
 
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Jumbo_ said:
Thanks Gerd :LOL:



We're not talking about that though, we are just saying things aren't much worse than they were last season and it's unfair to put all the blame on Hodgson. It's also unfair to disregard his successes at Fulham, I used the transfers to give some perspective. Even if Johnson was only £10m that's still more than Fulham spent just on his own.
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I didn't disregard his success at Fulham, i was simply using stats to prove that he's a negative manager, much much moreso than Benitez.
 
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Hodgson was a success at Fulham....
No question....
but that is not good enough for taking Liverpool back to the top 4.

Hodgson got hired because of 2 good seasons with Fulham.
Hodgson won the league in Denmark 10 years ago...

But that cannot be compared to Rafa making Liverpool a top 4
team for 4 seasons, and one of top 8 teams in Europe.
Rafa won La Liga in Spain twice beating Real and Barca...

They are not the same scale of achievement.
Rafa's achievements are far better than Hodgson.

We have to admit....the Board made a bad mistake in hiring Hodgson...
Rafa was right...they don't have a clue about football....all
they saw was the Media hype and the LMA award...which was rightly
deserved for Hodgson....but they did not replace Rafa with a better
or even comparable manager.

Rafa made many mistakes .... but at this point we can't afford
to have Hodgson repeat the same mistakes and worse....
We needed someone who would take Liverpool forward....not backward.
Our football is terrible....the formations...the selections reek of incompetence..
It's not like we are unlucky....we are getting outplayed by Blackpool, Sunderland, Northampton...

And that is why the fans are right in calling for his sacking.
The board is looking silly now...with the safe pair of hands that was
needed for steadying the ship.......the fact is he is sinking the ship.
 
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mathewsss said:
Hodgson was a success at Fulham....
No question....
but that is not good enough for taking Liverpool back to the top 4.

Hodgson got hired because of 2 good seasons with Fulham.
Hodgson won the league in Denmark 10 years ago...

But that cannot be compared to Rafa making Liverpool a top 4
team for 4 seasons, and one of the best teams in Europe.
Rafa won La Liga in Spain twice beating Real and Barca...

They are not the same scale of achievement.

We have to admit....the Board made a bad mistake in hiring Hodgson...
Rafa was right...they don't have a clue about football....all
they saw was the Media hype and the LMA award...which was rightly
deserved for Hodgson....but they did not replace Rafa with a better
or even comparable manager.

Rafa made many mistakes .... but at this point we can't afford
to have Hodgson repeat the same mistakes and worse....
We needed someone who would take Liverpool forward....not backward.
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Great post.
 
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Forget what the fans want....even Dalglish offered his own candidacy
when he saw the list of candidates being considered by the Board.

Dalglish clearly felt he was the better choice than Hodgson....
Now he may not be the best choice...

But you can't imagine Dalglish stepping forward if we were
getting someone like Mourinho or Guardiola.

He could see the board was making a mistake.
 
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Fucking hell, talk about a soap opera!

If Hicks & Gillette weren't already despised enough...

#LFC news - two bids - 1 asian, 1 US - discussed by the LFC board and another attempt by US owners Hicks and Gillett to refinance blocked.

@tariqpanja Hearing NE Sports Venture deal for #LFC accepted by board. Owners trying to block it. Possibility another statement tonight.
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Interesting how that statement is on the official website, the way it's worded ... it's getting really messy now.

YouTube - Dear Mr Hicks (HD)
 
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I can't understand why these clowns are trying all these stunts...
did'nt Broughton say earlier that the Board has the right to
sell without the owner's agreement...

If they stall....then RBS will have to take over.....
What's the point of stalling ?
I hope we dont get the points deduction.....man I can't wait
till this torture ends.......
 
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G&H can't sack Purslow & Ayre unless the chairman gives permission, and looking at the statement it looks like Broughton is siding against G&H anyway. RBS are going to be looking at the behaviour of Hicks here (especially after his statement just released) and will surely see that he's got no intention of selling the club to clear the debt and just wants a profit for himself. They've got no option but to call the debt in.

As I understand it, we wouldn't get a point deduction as the administration order wouldn't be against Liverpool FC but against Kop Holdings itself, the club isn't in financial problems in that it's making a profit each month and is able to finance itself with its turnover each month.

Hicks is panicking, clearly. He's got nothing left to lose now and is clinging on to whatever he can to try and stay in control.

One of the bidders is the owner of the Red Sox baseball team. The other is from China. Whoever gets the club, we HAVE to do PROPER checks and make sure that they actually do have the money to buy the club and wont use loans like G&H have done.
 
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Deal has been agreed with New England Sports Ventures, subject to legal dispute. To be announced by Liverpool shortly.

Edit: http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/board-agree-proposed-sale

Hard to get excited, G&H said all the rights things when they arrived so I'm very wary. Of course it's brilliant news to get G&H out of the way, but really don't want G&H version 2.

Any American's here know much about this guy then? How are the Red Sox run?
 
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