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DagsJT said:
But the manager wont get anywhere near £100m of that to actually spend on players. I'd be surprised if they got £10m.

The money from sales will go straight to the owners or the debt. Rafa was told this in a meeting, he wanted assurances that player sales will go into a transfer pot and they couldn't give him that assurance.
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Fuck me Dag's at this rate i can see us all doing a wimbledon and just following AFC Liverpool :CONFUSE:
 
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DagsJT said:
Surely, you'd think? Right?

They don't care. They want to sell up and leave with as much profit as they can, they don't give a shit about potential or the team. Just their pockets.

As I said, we are fucked. Newcastle style.
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I totally agree about that the only thing they care is about their pockets. And for that reason I cant imagine our best players being sold this summer because if they sell Gerrard and Torres, who the hell is going to buy our club ? I think we are going to sell Mascherano though, but I dont neither Gerrard or Torres, leaving. I hope Im right.
 
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Within 4 seasons AFC will be probably be higher in the leagues.....:(

If the club is going to go the way I think it is, i.e. down the drain with the yanks making millions I think I won't even bother following football anymore. And before the gloryhunter accusations come my way, I grew up with Liverpool in the 90-ties. So it's not about succes, it's the fact that the game has gone.....clubs/fans are being f@$#ed left, right and centre and there is nothing to do about it.
 
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Gosh that was sudden but not unexpected. Mixed feelings about this, and yes the future is screwed. Rafa abandoned ship but who would blame him with this mess we're in?
 
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raffa lasted as long as he could i think

i don't blame him for leaving, wish him all the best

his job was made as difficult as a job could of been, with the owners he had. he was a genius gone mad with some of his decisions but with a full backing and money to spend things would of been different imo

we are fked now, no decent manager is going to come in , they are in a losing situation if they join

until new owners come in who can handle the debt and give a manager the money he needs to build the club how "he" wants, we are screwed
 
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Fucking Rick Parry! :BRICK:

Indeed, even though it was a couple of years on, Rafa was still angry that young players like Walcott, Ramsey and Pato had all been approached well before they ended up moving to other big clubs, and that the two British teenagers had even been in his office for transfer talks. But much to Benítez’s chagrin, Rick Parry felt there were better players already at the Academy, and refused to sanction a bid of just £1.5m for Ramsey. A manager is judged on his transfer record, but time and time again Benítez wanted a top player (Simao, Alves), but had to make do with a cheap alternative (Pennant, Arbeloa). Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn’t.
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http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/06/conversations-with-a-european-champion/

This is also a very good read:

http://timesonline.typepad.com/thegame/2010/06/benitez-finally-worn-down-by-all-the-infighting.html
 
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Mixed feelings....
Sad to see Rafa's statement..
It is always sad to see a manager leave ... but the good thing for him
is that he is wanted across Europe where he would do better.

Who are we going to get as manager ?
I am not sure Dalglish should return ... it has been too long ...
and if he fails he would blight his reputation...
Not sure about any of the ex players returning .... like Rush or Barnes
they were good players...not necessarily what we need now.

We need someone with experience who can steady the ship and build
from here ...someone who can focus on getting a good attacking line up.

This is such a crucial point in the club's history.
I pray that God will help us rise once again as a major force....
 
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Get one bought. You know it makes sense.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=258885.0
 
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Yeh i've always liked Brian Reade. He's always stuck up for Liverpool in the press, without going to the level Tony Barrett does. :LOL:
 
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DagsJT said:
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opi...ist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html

Brilliant article.
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Post taken from another forum but sums up my viewpoint on the article and Rafa in general:

I have to say that I agree with much of that. One of the problems is that some Liverpool fans have been so eager and, to a point, desperate, to shift any blame from Benitez to other factors that it has naturally caused both pundits, as well as fans of other clubs and even many Liverpool fans, themselves, to become suspicious. Some of it has been truly cringe-worthy, and that has rightly spawned many of the threads both on here and elsewhere mocking what became for some a cult of personality (which, by the way, is almost certainly influenced by the other problems at the club).

But re-writing history works both ways. Just as it's not honest to pretend that Benitez is a legend on a par with Shankly and Paisely, or that he could not have done more to improve the team and their standing, despite the number of players (without mentioning money, because that's contested) that came and went in such a short period of time, so too is it equally wrong to claim that he was an unmitigated disaster for Liverpool. As much hilarity as Liverpool often provided for United fans, it would be mendacious to pretend that there weren't points at which many of us genuinely feared that Liverpool were close to challenging our supremacy. Of course, part of the hilarity was caused precisely because of the improvement and then the eventual fall from grace, but it's only fair that we admit to that.

The main problem for Benitez, in my opinion, was that he did some things so well, but only rarely, in truth, that it magnified the failure to such an extent that it was hard to believe that it was the same team and manager in control of both. At times, the brilliance and the incompetence appeared within one week of each other, and for no apparent reason. And apart from the one season where Liverpool genuinely found the momentum to challenge for the league title, much of the rest of his five year spell, in the Premier League, specifically, was defined by poor results and performances against sides that Liverpool should have beaten, regardless of whether they were challenging for the league title. 5th and 7th place finishes for Liverpool in five seasons simply isn't good enough, and any excuses trotted out as reasons for that failure ring hollow, particularly when compared to how impressive Liverpool were either at certain points in each season, and in the Champions League, in general.

But I defy anyone to say that the way in which Liverpool more often than not set-up for European games was anything other than impressive, even if you didn't much appreciate the style (or lack thereof). I used to watch the games in Europe and think to myself that, while the football was hardly buccaneering, the position of each player in the defence and midfield would squeeze the opposition to the point where there were no easy options to anyone in advanced positions. That simply doesn't happen by accident, which is evidenced by the numerous scalps that Liverpool took during his time in charge against much better opposition on paper. And I have no doubt that it is something that our own manager learned from, particularly as our own improvement in Europe, and the change to a similarly pragmatic approach, came off the back of the arrivals of Benitez and Mourinho to this country.

All in all, then, I would suggest that what made Benitez so difficult to understand as a manager was that there was so little consistency to both his own and his teams performances. Awful and turgid defeats in the league, followed by fantastic performances in Europe, and then a genuine title challenge where Liverpool were by some distance better than United in the final part of the season, followed by one of their poorest seasons in living memory. But overall, it would be hard to argue that there wasn't a consistent, if not quite as uniform or spectacular as some would claim, improvement with time.

When you look at some of the candidates who have been linked with the position, I'd personally rather have Benitez in charge of United than many who have been mentioned. And that really highlights the dichotomy that many Liverpool fans have faced, because despite recognizing that Benitez had made numerous and spectacular blunders, when you genuinely assess who is available, it''s not entirely clear that any of them are actually that much more accomplished.
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No one here trusts Kenny to do the best thing for the club? He's still there, and I just can't see us selling Gerrard/Torres with him around.

We've got a good squad, with good players. We just need a manager to steady the ship.
 
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Kenny is just an employee, who's he to put a block on players sold?

Don't like it, Kenny? Fine, here's your P45, been nice having you at the club. Remember it was Rafa who wanted Kenny back, not the owners.
 
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I heard every pool player returns at july 1st to liverpool, even András Simon and Krisztian Németh. Do you think any of them could make it at least to the bench or better to play on loan again?
 
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I think it's more likely they'll feature for our first team this season rather than go on loan. Players like Riera and Mascherano will leave, and we don't have money to replace them so the reserves will be brought in I reckon.
 
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DagsJT said:
I think it's more likely they'll feature for our first team this season rather than go on loan. Players like Riera and Mascherano will leave, and we don't have money to replace them so the reserves will be brought in I reckon.
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hhmmmm, i wanna see a very good, competitive lpool next year...even they are not i the CL...but with these youngsters do they have the chance?...maybe so...by the way i wanna see either hungarians in the EPL of course
 
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I haven't seen Nemeth much but he looked a bit raw from the bits I saw. I think the main critisisms are that he lacks pace and strength, which count for a lot on the Premier League. On the other hand, he's a good finisher so if he builds up his strength, he could be a similar player to Fowler?

Not seen Simons at all and haven't heard much about him either.
 
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can't see Nemeth ever making it in the Premier League tbh, the kid's got potential but he'd be better suited to somewhere like France, he's small and pretty slow for a forward. His vision is pretty good and his all-around team play is decent so he's better behind the main striker, but to play that position in the Premier League you need to be either strong or tall and he's neither.
 
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For someone like Nemeth, it really depends on what system the new manager plays. If he's looking at 4-4-2, I think Nemeth could play a big part.
 
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I thought Nemeth was meant to be the real deal? That's the impression i got from some of the comments in this thread, is he not all that?
 
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Jumbo_ said:
I thought Nemeth was meant to be the real deal? That's the impression i got from some of the comments in this thread, is he not all that?
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Nah, you know what it's like, if a reserve/youth player has a couple of good games he's the next big thing, look at Macheda for example.

Nemeth could be a good player, i've heard he's lazy though.
 
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UJSupanova said:
Nah, you know what it's like, if a reserve/youth player has a couple of good games he's the next big thing, look at Macheda for example.

Nemeth could be a good player, i've heard he's lazy though.
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check out some footage about him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NLI84k3Mcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9YP5qAkdKs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVYSxhdGO7s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUz8bFmDjpc&feature=related

Not some magic goals, but hes does whats needs to be done.
 
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UJSupanova said:
Nah, you know what it's like, if a reserve/youth player has a couple of good games he's the next big thing, look at Macheda for example.

Nemeth could be a good player, i've heard he's lazy though.
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Ahh right. To be fair to Macheda looks a class above when he plays for the reserves and he's got 3 goals for the first team in just a handful of appearances so maybe that was a bad example but i know exactly what you mean.

It could be that Nemeth is just a late bloomer. There's an expectation now that every player should be brilliant at 18 and they all get hyped before anyone's really seen them. Then when the player is inevitably not quite as good as everyone was told they were, people say he's crap and will never make it! As much as i love it i think Football Manager is partly to blame.

How old is Nemeth, 19 or something? Still plenty of time to improve. Maybe he'll never make it at a top club (if he's naturally lazy and doesn't have that drive it'll be hard to change him) but by the time he's 25 he might have settled as a decent striker in one of the better leagues, who knows?
 
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