Re: Liverpool Thread
Surely Rafa's success in the CL also comes down to the fact that he wasn't competing for the league at the time? It was the same when Milan won in 06/07 - they were able to focus completely on the CL knockout games, at the expense of the league, because they didn't care about the league.
His European record has never been questioned. Liverpool fans should (imo) shut up and let him get on with it. I personally don't think he's the right guy to win the league, or to play nice football, but he'll always be great at knockout european football. If that's all Pool want, then fine, he's great, roll with it.
As for the linked 'hypothetical' that's such apologist, revisionary crap. It's supposed to say oh boohoo Rafa had insurmountable odds and never had a hope in hell of winning the league, so stop denigrating him for not winning it. If he was so hamstrung he had no chance, why even bother?
The evolution of the Liverpool excuse seems to go:
1. We've got the team, just need that one final cog (insert Robbie Keane) - now we're ready to take the league.
2. We're not playing well, but sneaking results while you're not playing to your full potential is the sign of champions.
3. We're still not playing well, but we've just had some bad refereeing decisions which have hurt us, otherwise we'd be winning.
4. We're still not playing well, and have had some very serious injuries to our most important players, otherwise we'd be winning.
5. We're still not playing well, and you know what our squad just isn't good enough, clearly Rafa hasn't spent nearly as much money as those jammy mancs, so he can't be expected to compete.
6. We're still not playing well, and someone just proved to me that Rafa has actually spent a f*ck load of cash, but he can't be judged yet, because Fergie had 7 years in charge without winning a cup, and Rafa hasn't had that time yet.
7. We're still not playing well, and we're actually dropping down the table, but what can you expect poor Rafa to do? He wasn't given the exact same situation as Alex Fergusun 3 decades ago, and given all things aren't the same, we can't possibly be doing better than we are.
I'm waiting for the next step, in 2 years time (still no league titles)
8. You can't judge Rafa just on the time he's been here, and the money he's spent, and the way he plays football, and his youth policy - you've got to appreciate where he's taking us as a club. It's a new frontier from the dark days of Houllier.
(sorry, just so bored of these arguments)