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What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.
 
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Carra article number two:

Sitting on the England coach as it prepared to drive us away from the World Cup in Germany, I received a text message.
"F*** it! It's only England". I'd just missed a penalty in the quarter-final shoot-out against Portugal. Around me were the tear-stained faces of under-performing superstars.

England's so-called golden generation had failed. Again.

An eerie depression escorted us on the short trip back to the hotel, but as I stared at my phone and considered the implications of the comforting note, I didn't feel the same emptiness I sensed in others.

There's no such concept as 'only England' to most footballers, including many of my best friends.

Representing your country is the ultimate honour, especially in the World Cup.

Not to me. Did I care we'd gone out of the tournament? Of course I did. Passionately.

Did I feel upset about my part in the defeat? Yes. I was devastated to miss a penalty of such importance. Had I really given my all for my country? Without question.

I've never given less than 100 per cent in any game.

Despite this, whenever I returned home from disappointing England experiences one unshakeable, overriding thought pushed itself to the forefront of my mind, no matter how much the rest of the nation mourned. "At least it wasn't Liverpool," I'd repeat to myself, over and over.

The text messages of consolation I received on the coach included one from Kenny Dalglish. "I would rather miss for England than LFC," I wrote back.

I confess: defeats wearing an England shirt never hurt me in the same way as losing with my club. I wasn't uncaring or indifferent, I simply didn't put England's fortunes at the top of my priority list. Losing felt like a disappointment rather than a calamity.

The Liver Bird mauled the Three Lions in the fight for my loyalties. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, it's just how it is. You can't make yourself feel more passionate if the feelings aren't there. That doesn't make me feel guilty.

If people want to condemn me and say I'm unpatriotic, so be it.

Playing for Liverpool has been a full-time commitment. What followed with England was an extra honour, but not the be-all and end all of my purpose in the game.

We all hear about the importance of 1966 to the country, but for my family the most important event at Wembley that year was Everton winning the FA Cup. Liverpudlians feel the same way about the season as Bill Shankly won his second league title at Anfield.

Our nation is divided, not only in terms of prosperity, but by different regional outlooks. For some of us, civic pride overpowers nationality.

When Diego Maradona knocked England out of the 1986 World Cup in Mexico, 10 minutes later I was outside playing with my mates copying the handball goal.

If it had been Everton losing an FA Cup quarter-final, I wouldn't have wanted to speak to anyone for the rest of the day.

Wembley might have been the stadium we went to for cup finals, but it still seemed a distant, foreign place, inhabited by a different type of supporter. I discovered this to be correct when I started playing for England.

There's always a slightly sinister edge and you know the mood can shift from euphoric to vicious in the space of a few minutes.

England internationals are a magnet for fans who are a bit inexperienced, dare I say clueless, when it comes to top class football.

The Liverpool crowd has been credited with dragging us across the winning line.

I've never heard the same said of England fans at Wembley, who are more likely to help the opposition by turning on their own.

A superiority complex has also developed. It's presumed England should go close to winning every World Cup and European Championship. Failure to live up to this inevitably generates more criticism. But there's no historical justification for this and our overall record places England in the third tier of world football.

I was never in love with playing for England in the first place. By the time I stopped, I felt a huge weight lifting.

I took criticism for my decision, but when I look over my international record, I believe I was more sinned against than sinner. I never ducked out of a call-up and never pulled out with a slight twinge. For a while, I held the record for Under-21 caps.

Despite being continually seen as a deputy for others, I never complained.

Whenever Sven Goran Eriksson or Steve McClaren asked me to play, I stepped up with no fuss.

I was never sure if Eriksson was an international manager or international playboy. I know what he was best at. The longer he spent in the job, the worse his status became as a football coach and the better he became a Casanova.

Before one of his early World Cup qualifiers, a story broke about girls finding their way into the team hotel to provide some of the players with pre-match 'entertainment'.

Eriksson summoned us for what we expected to be a stern warning. Instead we received some fatherly advice.

"There's no need to have girls in the team hotel," Sven told us. "If you see someone you like, just get her phone number and arrange to go to her house after the game. Then we will have no problems."

Eriksson took the blame when we lost to Portugal in the World Cup, but for a while the investigation even focused on me. Eriksson's assistant Tord Grip highlighted my penalty miss as a chief factor in our demise.

When asked why I was one of those involved in the shootout, he explained that I took one really well in the Champions League Final.

I've watched our penalty shoot-out win in Istanbul a thousand times since 2005 and I still can't recall taking a penalty.

It's frightening to think England's assistant manager could be so ill-informed.

:LOL: Tord Grip doesn't come across as the wisest person in the world there.
 
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LIVERPOOL resisted a late move from Arsenal to sign Xabi Alonso before the transfer deadline on Monday night.

The Gunners made contact with Anfield officials to enquire about the availability of the Spain international.

But before any talk of a possible bid could be begin, the Londoners were told the midfielder was not for sale.

Arsenal manager Arsenal Wenger had targeted Alonso to bolster his midfield after both Mathieu Flamini and Aleksandr Hleb departed the Emirates in the summer.

Alonso’s international team-mate Cesc Fabregas had urged the Liverpool man to make the move south, but Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez had no intention of weakening his midfield without any reinforcement lined up.

Alonso is currently with the Spain squad preparing for their forthcoming World Cup qualifiers against Bosnia and Armenia.
 
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i hate rafa benitez, he's spanish fan.Rafa isn't enough being a champion..:((
 
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What's the point in moving into a multi-storey mansion if you don't even use all the rooms in your current bungalow? That, perhaps, is the question potential creditors asked Liverpool when the Reds recently came looking for a mortgage for their notional new stadium. By way of answer, Liverpool presumably sat in confused silence, drool slowly seeping from their mouths.

The solution is obvious - which is perhaps why Rafa Benitez refuses to recognise it.

The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway. They could also shorten the pitch by 11 metres, thereby giving an even greater role to one of their most creative players, Pepe Reina.

Not only would this condensed pitch suit Benitez's guileless brand of football, but extra seating could be erected on the rezoned metres, adding thousands to Anfield's capacity, almost rendering a new stadium redundant, and freeing up more money for Benitez to spend on strikers whose lack of pace makes them ideal for conversion into ineffective wingers. If ever one decides to emulate Ryan Babel by saving the side from costly Champions League humiliation with a wonderful cross from near the touchline in the 27th minute of extra-time against Belgian hicks, he can be dropped for the next match so that Robbie Keane can again totter fruitlessly down the channels.

If Fernando Torres then gets injured chasing yet another over-hit pass, Keane can be left marooned on the left while a cut-price import from PSG reserves lurches around up front instead of the £20m striker. His confidence duly shattered, Keane will be ready for redeployment in his preferred position, where, when a punt over the top lands in his path in the 72nd minute, he will dither uncharacteristically and allow someone such as Nigel Reo-Coker to hurtle back and cut him down with an embarrassing last-ditch tackle. Then Keane can be withdrawn – taking the value of the strikers who've left the pitch in the course of the 0-0 draw with a team beaten by Stoke the previous weekend to £50m – and replaced by Yossi Benayoun, who no longer knows where his best position is but is sure that if he does excel he will be benched for the next match.

:lmao:
 
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The Anfield pitch is 101 metres long and 68 metres wide. What a waste! The minimum permitted dimensions are 90mx45m. That means Liverpool could narrow their pitch by over 11 metres on each side, ie remove the flanks that they've long left fallow anyway

That explains the distance in FIFA. I always thought the anfield pitch was one of the smalller ones.
 
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Mate, don't shit stir, it's obvious their team is improved.

Keane, Riera, Dossena are all very good players and then there's the younger players they've signed and they've got rid of deadwood like Kewell, Voronin and Riise.
 
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Mate, don't shit stir, it's obvious their team is improved.

Keane, Riera, Dossena are all very good players and then there's the younger players they've signed and they've got rid of deadwood like Kewell, Voronin and Riise.

:applaud:
 
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Ha, not really. I'm mentally prepared for another jammy goal and a 1-0 loss.
 
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I'm probably going to watch AFC Liverpool instead, and maybe listen to the Utd match on the radio.

For the same reasons Abhi gave.
 
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We'll get an absolute drubbing by United. Don't get your hopes up for this one .. bad bad feeling about this.
 
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No, FC United was set up as a protest club against the Glazers.

So are you claiming that you’ll be the REAL Liverpool now?

Absolutely not. The real Liverpool play at Anfield. We are AFC Liverpool, which is a non league club, run and owned as a cooperative society by Liverpool supporters. It is aimed at people who love the real Liverpool but can no longer afford to go and watch them.

Is this all about Hicks & Gillett then?

No. It’s about bringing families back to football who have been priced out. Whoever is in charge is irrelevant. Top flight football is simply very expensive these days. AFC Liverpool is for those priced out who want to go to football again with fellow Reds, and to initiate their children in the Liverpool way.


Why Not Support An Existing Local Non League Team?

If you do, then we encourage you to go and watch them. But we don’t. We want them to do well of course, but we can’t magic support from thin air. By creating a team with an explicit LFC identity, it gives us a club that we can collectively own and have a reason to support.

What about the reserves?

Maybe once upon a time. Reserve football is now pretty haphazard in terms of fixtures and it takes place in Warrington (previously Wrexham!), normally mid week at around 7pm. It’s hardly easy for people to get to. Besides, who watches a reserve game with genuine passion? Most Reds watch the ressies like a scout rather than a fan.

What does it mean to be a member?

The club will be a co-op. That means that every member owns the club collectively, and each member has equal voting rights at the club’s AGM to every other member. It is a fan run and fan owned club, and all profits are ploughed back into AFC Liverpool.

Do I renew my membership annually?

Yes. Membership is simply renewed every year.

Can I join the club even if I don’t live in Liverpool?

Yes of course. You can join the club even if you don’t live in the UK.

We play in the Vodkat Div 2, I think FC United were in that division at one point?

We're getting a fair bit of press in Liverpool, mentioned in the local newspapers after the weekends games, and word is getting around quite quickly.

Average home attendance for teams in this league is something like 50 people, AFCL got around 450 people for their first game. We've also taken around 180 people to the three away league games played so far (Ashton Town at their ground on Saturday had approx 22 home supporters and 180 AFCL fans!). Second home game is this Saturday against Wigan Robin Park, we're hoping for a good attendance considering no Premier League games are on.
 
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No, FC United was set up as a protest club against the Glazers.



We play in the Vodkat Div 2, I think FC United were in that division at one point?

We're getting a fair bit of press in Liverpool, mentioned in the local newspapers after the weekends games, and word is getting around quite quickly.

Average home attendance for teams in this league is something like 50 people, AFCL got around 450 people for their first game. We've also taken around 180 people to the three away league games played so far (Ashton Town at their ground on Saturday had approx 22 home supporters and 180 AFCL fans!). Second home game is this Saturday against Wigan Robin Park, we're hoping for a good attendance considering no Premier League games are on.

The section you highlighted is pretty much the same as FC Uniteds stance.

But fairplay, I know alot of people that enjoy following FC United (and still keep an eye on United) and I wish them well...

personally I tried, but couldnt get attached to it the same way...

felt like I was cheating on the missus!

but goodluck to AFC also....
 
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:TU:

Cheers mate. If you've seen the thread about football being ruined, I posted that while also thinking about AFCL.
 
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AFC Liverpool manager Derek Goulding has won the Vodkat Manager of the Month Award for the month of August.
Goulding has been rewarded for a perfect start to the season which has seen his side win all four of their opening games, quickly gaining a reputation for attacking, flowing football along the way.

AFC Liverpool have played at home just once, but have still managed to power to the top of Vodkat League Division One, scoring sixteen goals in the process.

"It's pleasing. I'd sooner win the league obviously. But it's a first step and a bit of recognition for the excellent start we have made," said a delighted Goulding.

"We have a good base to build on, and the award is something that all of the backroom staff and the team can take credit for."

The Reds will be hoping for another victory on Saturday when they play at home to Wigan Robin Park at Valerie Park, the home of Prescot Cables FC. Kick off is 3pm. Entry is from £2 and is pay on the gate.

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N161166080904-0942.htm

Nice to see the official Liverpool site promoting AFCL :DD
 
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Was expecting that TBH. It was either him or Ngog, and it had to be Ngog, as Pennant could enter in the 8 home grown list.
 
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