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His general attitude has been awful for a couple of seasons. If things don't go his way, he throws strops and sulks, refusing to chase balls and has a go at other players when they don't cover his mistakes.

When he steps his game up and actually plays like he cares, he's brilliant. Those days are few and far between, he spends 75% of his games doing the former and it's a wasted space in the team when the chances are higher that he's going to be the moody Gerrard than the world class Gerrard.
 
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DagsJT said:
I'd take that :)
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You can´t be serious, Gerrard is Gerrard, for me he will always be my heroe and will always be Mr Liverpool. For me, this season he wasnt awful, he didnt nowhere near his best, but that´s because this season Liverpool had made it very difficult for him and Torres, just throwing the ball to them and pray they can manage to score. Liverpool lost the transition between defense and attack and thats not Gerrard fault.
I also dont agree that he is a mediocre CM. Actually I think that is his best position and I ´d prefer Aquilani playing behind Torres rather than him.
 
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Liverbird said:
You can´t be serious, Gerrard is Gerrard, for me he will always be my heroe and will always be Mr Liverpool. For me, this season he wasnt awful, he didnt nowhere near his best, but that´s because this season Liverpool had made it very difficult for him and Torres, just throwing the ball to them and pray they can manage to score. Liverpool lost the transition between defense and attack and thats not Gerrard fault.
I also dont agree that he is a mediocre CM. Actually I think that is his best position and I ´d prefer Aquilani playing behind Torres rather than him.
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agree with you there.. ;)
 
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Glad to see Maxi starting but would rather Aquilani played instead of Gerrard. Should be a good game I think.

Edit: I was wrong about the good game, it's dire :YAWN:
 
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Can't remember seeing the ball in the air for so long. At times it's more like vollyball........

And do Wolves fans even have any chants?! All I hear is cries for handballs at every opportunity, or it's booing Liverpool possesion, fans for singing.

And now Gerrard's back we've gone back into shitty quickpass forward crap. Just keep f#$king possesion!!!!
 
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Is it a coincidence that we've gone back to shit football now Gerrard is back in the team?

I don't think there's a more small-time set of supporters than Wolves fans. Constantly cheering every Liverpool mistake like they're supporting a Conference team, booing Reina at every opportunity, booing and calling for fouls at the slighest hope (ala Everton), and singing anti-Liverpool songs.

Don't these teams have songs for their own team that they should be singing?

Edit: Nice one Rafa. Gerrard is playing shit, but you bring off our best player in Riera :APPLAUD:
 
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DagsJT, Gerrard is not playing shit. Dude, Gerrard can´t play alone. The team sucks, they throw the ball to Gerrard hoping he can do everything. But when he gets the ball, he has 4 players with him and none red to pass the ball. How can he play like this ?
I think that Benitez era should be over. It is clear that this season he has no idea about what his doing. It is also incredible that he prefers to play Lucas (who again played horrible, just like the match with Spurs) rather than Aquilani, who is our second best midifielder after Gerrard.
 
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The problem though is that with Gerrard in the team the rest of the players don't play. Gerrard can't do anything either with the utter shite that are the passes to him, but at the same time he "forces" the players to do that, or Rafa does. Either way the team is worse with Gerrard atm.

It's one, or both of them that have f#$ked up the balance in the team and something has to change. And when Torres get's back it will get even worse :(. If Rafa can't get the team to string more then 3 passes together he's doing something seriously wrong.
 
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I honestly can't see how anyone can say Gerrard hasn't been shit this season, unless you're his greatest fan and he can't do no wrong. And I'm not the only one thinking this if you check other Liverpool forums either.

I've had a sleep and time to think. I honestly wouldn't be bothered if Rafa went now. The man is a class act but his tactics are woeful at times and his sub decisions are crazy and he goes against common sense far too often.

That and Rafa being happy for us to play long ball passes to nobody in particular, when we don't have the players to support that system, and we're completely missing out a quality midfield. You have to wonder how many goals Torres would score if he spent more time running onto ground passes and jinking passed defenders rather than being elbowed/headbutted/shoved while trying to control yet another high ball.

His tactics are just completely wrong and this promise of fourth place is looking like wishful thinking with each game. Last night everyone could see that we weren't creating chances (did we even really test their keeper once?), yet Rafa said after the game that he didn't want to bring in players like Aquilani (who can actually create a chance) because he was happy with how the team were doing and wanted us to play on the counter attack. He WANTED us to play long balls! :CURSE:

"During the game it was very physical and the ball was always in the air. It would have been difficult to bring on a player for 15-20 minutes and keep the ball on the ground. We preferred to continue with the players we had because we were defending well and were a threat on the counter attack."
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Oh and the game was too physical for Aquilani. Right, so you spend £20m on a player but you're scared he might get hit a bit. That'd be fine if there were only two physical teams in the league but most of the Premier League are scrapping teams, even the ones that aren't still play physically compared to other countries. So we should expect to see Aquilani maybe start five more games for the rest of the season then I reckon.

Rubbish, Rafa. Sorry but this "style" of football isn't working, your protection of players is costing us points, your crazy subs are costing us points, your team selections are costing us points.

When will we see Pacheco play? Everyone who's saw him can testify he's got bags of skill and both create and score goals. And we're severely lacking a player like that at the moment, so why aren't we using him? Or are the games too physical for him? :ROLL:
 
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there are some rumours in italy about juventus and rafa, although the timing of the operation isn't clear yet; right now (very unlikely imo) or in the summer. are there any matching speculations in liverpool aswell?

and how do u feel liverpool fans would react to such a situation? i'm not asking your personal opinion here (not that i'm not interested in it :)) ), but what u think would be the reaction of the majority of the "reds community" as a whole?

and has someone already being mentioned as a possible successor of rafa?... i mean, there were some very good options available on the market till a few months ago (spalletti and mancini, just to name the 2 most interesting), but they're all gone somewhere else now... so who could possibly take the job? just a curiosity :))
 
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lo zio said:
there are some rumours in italy about juventus and rafa, although the timing of the operation isn't clear yet; right now (very unlikely imo) or in the summer. are there any matching speculations in liverpool aswell?

and how do u feel liverpool fans would react to such a situation? i'm not asking your personal opinion here (not that i'm not interested in it :)) ), but what u think would be the reaction of the majority of the "reds community" as a whole?

and has someone already being mentioned as a possible successor of rafa?... i mean, there were some very good options available on the market till a few months ago (spalletti and mancini, just to name the 2 most interesting), but they're all gone somewhere else now... so who could possibly take the job? just a curiosity :))
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The more the season goes on, the more people are losing confidence in Rafa. He's still got his hardcore bunch of supporters but each game there's more people who lose their faith in him.

It depends on who we got as a replacement for him with regards to the reaction to Rafa leaving. I don't watch any European football really as I don't have Sky or ESPN so I'm not sure what managers are available. Hiddinck keeps being mentioned, as does Mourinho. In the same breath, so have people like Alex McLeish and Roy Hodgson :(

Personally? If we got a manager in who is a motivator, talks to players on a personal level, gets us to play attacking attractive football on the ground like we should be, and gives youth players more of a chance like Pacheco, Darby, Nemeth, Kelly, then I'd be happy.
 
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DagsJT said:
Personally? If we got a manager in who is a motivator, talks to players on a personal level, gets us to play attacking attractive football on the ground like we should be, and gives youth players more of a chance like Pacheco, Darby, Nemeth, Kelly, then I'd be happy.
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so it should be a coach with great comunitating skills, great ability to hold the dressing room and handle the players individually, who can have u playing some great attacking football (wich means not only that he has to be a great tactician, but also that he must have the ability to teach his football ideas and impress them on the team)...
Dags, u just described sacchi (and, in a slighter measure, ancelotti)! of course u would be happy with that! anyone would be! :P
that's pretty much like saying "i don't have such a selective taste when it comes to women.... just give me beyonce or monica bellucci and i'd be happy with that" :D

anyhow, i don't know about hiddink, as his situation with russia seems to be quite complicated. as for mourinho he's not gonna move right now.... but this summer... who knows?
however in such a situation, u really don't wanna give the team to mourinho. apart for the "great motivator bit" he's nothing like your "ideal coach description". :))

oh and thanks for the feedback, mate ;)
 
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:LOL:

Apparantly Hiddinck doesn't want to sign up for any long term projects, he wants short term deals. Mourinho is rumoured to be available in the summer but would he want to come to us? Would our fans want him? He's got some history with us and I'm not sure if that would affect it all.

Maybe it'd be hard to get all of those qualities in a manager but if they at least tried to do the things I suggested, I'm sure they'd do a good job.

The bit about attractive, attacking football is my main requirement. We're capable of doing that under Benitez when he lets the players off the leash. The back end of last season showed that. But Rafa just doesn't let that happen, he's still too defensive minded. We went to Wolves and played with one man up front.

Gerrard has apparantly been on Radio Merseyside saying that we went to Wolves with the intention of "nicking a 1-0 win" ..... WTF?! We go to a relegation candidate and play counter attacking football in the hope we might score?!

That's the difference between us and the other teams in the top 5-6 places. They go into games with the mentality to win for the most part. We go in to not lose.

Just saw this post on RAWK:

Last 24 Games.......7 wins.....7 draws.....10 loses......tick, tick, tick
Just to show our progress....
Aug 2wins, 0 draws 2 losses
Sep 5 wins 0 draws 1 loss
Oct 1 win 0 draws 5 losses
Nov 2 wins 3 draws 0 losses
Dec 3 wins 1 draw 3 losses
Jan 1 win 3 draws 1 loss
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Not good enough for a club like Liverpool, not good enough for any team wanting a European place nevermind one who had aspirations of winning the league at the start of the season.
 
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DagsJT said:
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Apparantly Hiddinck doesn't want to sign up for any long term projects, he wants short term deals.
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i see. so he's a "quickie" kinda guy :P
We're capable of doing that under Benitez when he lets the players off the leash.
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yup that seems to be the biggest issue to me aswell. but i don't think it's about being defensive minded. it's more about "balance".
rafa is obsessed with control. now that's not necessarily a bad thing, as long as the players are backing u and as long as u're really good at shaping plays on the blackboard.
but u also got to respect the nature of english game. sure every coach as his own "tactical recipe", his very personal tactical ideas... but u also got to adapt those recipes to the context you're working in.
u can't just pretend to cook the same dish regardless where u're at.
i'm not saying he should deny his tactical beliefs (that would be a shame, as he's a damn good tactician), but at least show some flexibility and give some players a bit more freedom.

i mean, afterall i know just one "control freak" coach who still managed to become a world class coach; that is capello... but then again, capello is one of a kind.
 
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I always thought Gerrard was overrated, but i think that you guys are way too harsh for him now...Gerrard almost singlehandedly won that final against Milan...(i know that this is an exageration, but i think you get my point) and last season he was massive.

I think Rafa is a splendid coach, but i'm not sure he's a splendid manager English-style...he has done some stupid things on the transfermarket.
I don't understand why i wanted to get rid of Bellamy and Crouch and instead of that bought Voronin and Babel...or N'Gog.
I also think Jovanovic is a good player but certainly not better than Riera or Benayoun (and what the hell has happened to Riera, he hardly plays...).

Rafa going to Juventus would be a bad move for Rafa.
 
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Guess it's down to Rafa then that we play so crap, thought it aswell but Gerrard being in the team seems to increase it.

That's shocking though, going to Wolves to try and nick a 1-0?! Sums Rafa up though for his time in England. At the beginning of last season we weren't playing particulary well but those 10men wins gave a good start to continue. Then we had our usual crap form in the winter again playing defensive and it looked like we had blown it after playing conservative football to consolidate 1st place. After that the team had a "let's go for it" mentality and blew most teams away.

This season we had a similar mentality but with the defense being in the state it was we dropped loads of points. So now we are back at the start again just trying to not lose and then hopefully get a win from a lucky break. As long as we don't lose it's all good! :(

I find it strange that a manager that's known for wanting to control the game finds it acceptable to instruct players to constantly concede possesion and hope 2 or 3 players can combine to score a goal from hoofs. It basicly means he doesn't trust the team to be able to keep possesion!

As for him going, I'm not sure really. Wenger and Fergie have their succes from a continued presence and rebuilding teams. On the otherhand, if he still thinks that you can win a league by being conservative (which is his nature) then he's mistaken. The Prem doesn't work like that, you have to bully the lesser teams and for the big matches you can go tactical. Would depend on who you could replace him with, I would love Hiddink to become manager but if he only wants shortterm contracts (2-3 years) it might not be the way forward.
 
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DagsJT said:
I think Hiddinck wants short-term as in no more than one year.
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Good to me. Hiddink is a massive coach. I would fire Rafa and bring Hiddink in a minute, because Juventus is behind Rafa, so we wouldnt have to pay to him the 20 m.
 
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Well i'm not that convinced that Hiddink is such a massive coach...his biggest successes were with national teams in WC (i know he won a CL with PSV).
In a WC you are speaking of only 7 matches...i'm not sure if he's that good...

About Rafa, i already mentioned Voronin and Babel, i don't understand why he bought that Greek CB (sorry i don't remember his name)...he's no player for Liverpool...

I also think most fans are too harsh with Aquilani, with a litle bit of patient he can become a big player (I think he can become better than Gerard, but what do i know ???)
 
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Kyrgiakos has been one of the better players of the last few games, he was pretty good last night too really.

I think people are starting to realise Aquilani's talent, pretty much everyone wanted Aquilani to start ahead of Gerrard last night. And especially to come on as a sub when we were struggling last night. Seems Rafa doesn't rate him as much though I guess.
 
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Seems like liverpool might be getting like Arsenal was in the last couple of seasons with Henry.

Everything had to be played through Henry and it was stifling the other players.

As soon as Henry left, our team started to play like a team again.

Sometimes no matter who the player is and how much of a legend they are, they need to go. The team needs to evolve and progress without them.
 
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BobbyBox said:
Seems like liverpool might be getting like Arsenal was in the last couple of seasons with Henry.

Everything had to be played through Henry and it was stifling the other players.

As soon as Henry left, our team started to play like a team again.

Sometimes no matter who the player is and how much of a legend they are, they need to go. The team needs to evolve and progress without them.
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Exactly.
 
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