FIFA/FC vs PES/eFootball

[Marlon Anthony]

Remember this guy?

Just noticed his current game, and he's playing against himself. Or with a friend. And winning 9-0, this time.

What the fuck is the point? Seriously?

That's both pathetic and hilarious. But i know what your saying, There's people with different tastes and different approaches to how they experience and enjoy things in life.

Me and you might enjoy foreign cinema or a character study with heavy dialogue and the next person would scoff at it for having subtitles how they'd "have to work to even enjoy the film" and they just want Die Hard on crack or Fast and Furious 22.

Of course the former is more associated with a higher form of sophistication but not everyone on earth can be smart and their argument would be, "Who are we to tell them how to enjoy something?"

Problem is when more people are dumber and then smart and that's the demographic they're making a game for to keep them hooked, We must suffer.

 

[Madmac79]

I can only imagine is something down the line of God Mode. When on GTA or other games sometimes people used to switch some immortality cheat and just walk around demolishing everything.. thats the only way I can "understand" this..

But if you use God mode in a game like GTA (or in any other game with some emergent gameplay elements) at least you still have the environment react to your actions and potentially cause fun, random stuff to happen..

I can't imagine any appeal in playing against an unmoving team.. it isn't even in the same league of watching a trash movie vs a classy one, it's more like I don't know, buy a cinema ticket to eat it out or something..

 

[rockstrongo]

Form arrows (both on FIFA and Pes ) should be better implemented.
If I have a 25 man squad and I'm not playing 3-5 players for 7-10 games,they should be in really poor form,simply because they haven't played a game in a few months (also some sort of mood meter,not necessarily player whining but being off because of a shitty mood)

I think having players constantly having a dialogue with the manager (like on NHL ) is so annoying,and very hard to get right in a football game.

 

[Dr. Cornel West]

Not sure how this passed me by, but... The UK government has confirmed it doesn't see loot boxes as gambling, so there goes that fantasy of FUT / myClub dying overnight and gameplay being the big new game-seller.

BBC NEWS: FIFA Packs & Loot Boxes "Not Gambling in UK"

It was brought to my attention via this excellent article on GTA's newly added casino area...

Eurogamer: GTA's Casino Isn't The Worst Of Gambling In Games, But It Puts It In Perspective

A truly terrible decision by our government. No question.

I personally don't have any real objections to these modes in theory. It is them in practice that is the issue.

That said, I am inclined to give Konami a begrudging pass of sorts. Since the Belgium ruling they changed things up ever so slightly. I believe that every week since they have given away multiple agents and trainers (think one week it gave me four goes on a special agent - 12 players which have a use one way or another)

I also think that PES Lite, although a delayed release, is at least a bit more consumer friendly/best of a bad world thing, in that its micro-transaction mode isn't stuck behind a purchase of the game exclusively. Many other free-to-play games have micro-transactions and exist with little fuss and indeed have large player bases. I think the issue therefore for PES (using it as the example as they currently are the only of the two offering a free-to-play version) is that there is a lack of carry over from one iteration to the next, unlike other free-to-play products out there. If they were to address that somehow then it would seem a bit more palatable. Maybe even make the mode more attractive to a much wider base.

Putting the games aside, EA are just horrid. That Andrew Whathisname dude looks like a cookie-cutter corporate sociopath.

Our hope for change lies with other nations on this one. The US and the UK might be all good with this nonsense but thankfully aren't the entire market, so if more nations governments pass rulings that ban the gambling with real money aspect of these games, the publishers will have to adapt accordingly.

One can hope.

 

[slamsoze]

Yes, that´s how it should be! I agree.
But it wasn´t properly implemented, as as you say...the youngsters were acting up already.
I think that was in PES too, but I don´t remember at what release.






Alright^^

It was in pes2012, i am re-playing it these days. Of course it was broken and limited to annoying level, almost every newcomer demanded an apology if you don't use him. The 3 predetermined possible answers produce always the same result to everyone, the 1) makes the player happy the other 2)&3) neutral or unhappy etc,etc. There are also bugs where you use a player that demanded playtime and the game doesn't recognise it, leaving him pissed off as he didn't play, or bad implementation like when you play him in other positions, he asks you why and when you reply him that you wamt him to learn a new position, he replies with some broken English "i don't know what to thing about it" and he gets pissed off!!!!!

But in PES excuse, 2012 was the first year of the dialogue/interaction/happines-form system. And after that they removed it, until pes2020 at least. So i think it is logical that it would be buggy the first year. Even in Fifa that it functions so many versions, it has some flaws like Chris mentioned, youngsters demanding to be starting-11 every bloody secomd game!

Extra info on pes2012: i was amazed starting a ML and saw Stein being Red Cross injured since the beginning and during the first momth i had 4 injured players , 2 red cross and 2 yellow cross after friendly. I don't remember having 4 injuries in a whole season in 16-18-19.

 

[rockstrongo]

It was in pes2012, i am re-playing it these days. Of course it was broken and limited to annoying level, almost every newcomer demanded an apology if you don't use him. The 3 predetermined possible answers produce always the same result to everyone, the 1) makes the player happy the other 2)&3) neutral or unhappy etc,etc. There are also bugs where you use a player that demanded playtime and the game doesn't recognise it, leaving him pissed off as he didn't play, or bad implementation like when you play him in other positions, he asks you why and when you reply him that you wamt him to learn a new position, he replies with some broken English "i don't know what to thing about it" and he gets pissed off!!!!!

But in PES excuse, 2012 was the first year of the dialogue/interaction/happines-form system. And after that they removed it, until pes2020 at least. So i think it is logical that it would be buggy the first year. Even in Fifa that it functions so many versions, it has some flaws like Chris mentioned, youngsters demanding to be starting-11 every bloody secomd game!

Extra info on pes2012: i was amazed starting a ML and saw Stein being Red Cross injured since the beginning and during the first momth i had 4 injured players , 2 red cross and 2 yellow cross after friendly. I don't remember having 4 injuries in a whole season in 16-18-19.

It's nice seeing more people realising how good Pes 12 was,just like people started to discover how good Pes 17 is.
I have a few seasons in Pes 12,didn't buy it on release,bought it two years ago,really good,and yes the dialogue isn't a good thing then,and isn't really great now either.
Having a morale meter instead,that affects the players form/stats would be better (if done right)

 

[flokiman]

i am a keen PES fan.
Since Pes 2013 till today, i think PES represents the real sport better.
Back in 2011, FIFA 11 was a revelation for me. I think it was my top game i fell in love in my gaming history.
The day i tried FIFA 11 demo (it was night tbh) i couldn't stop playing. Everything seemed too perfect, smooth, solid, and next gen for me (coming after the stale and obsolete PES 2010). I can recall that i played 14 consecutive seasons.
FIFA 12 killed some of the smoothness, Fifa 13 was ok with the free ball spining and unscripted controlling, but PES 2013 demo was better for me for some reason. PES 2014 was the most anticipated game and a huge let down after trying it, FIFA 14 was ok with some fidel doctor mods (soccer gaming modder).
Any way for me PES 16, 17, 18, 19 was a must buy, not giving a real chance to FIFA's as i was dissapointed from the jerky animations. I skipped tottaly FIFA 18, as i was astonished by the smooth PES 2018 (but boring somehow).
PES 2019 is a very good game for me, highly playable, so PES 2020 is well anticipated.
But.....
5 days ago i tried FIFA 18, with 2 mods (fidel doctor agpe gameplay mod, and Lod Fix that makes level of detail in game much higher, and animation quality also).
I think this is the best soccer simulation i ever played.

The reasons why FIFA 18 felt better and why PES 2019 felt cheap and very off-gen are below:


-footplanting : The best till today. Fifa 19 was a little worse in order to become more responsive
-shot variety: Shots differ a lot, with many misskicks, and variable trajectories.
-cpu fouls/penalties: Cpu does commit fouls and penalties (In PES 19 thats a major problem)
-stats matter more: Stats like speed agility and strength are noticable in field
-marking and midfield play: I love the fact that cpu marking makes me to follow a more build up style of play, i use my body and inertia to protect the ball, i have to think the next pass etc. PES is more end to end with a lot less midfield play
-collisions: Better but not the best ever, good body and ball interaction, shouldering and minimal clipping
-more than 2 players jump for headers. In pes only 2 players jump, sadly...
-graphics: compared to vanilla PES 19 graphics i think FIFA 18 has better lighting and more realistic turf.
-content : not much to comment here
-skills do work: Skills are effective with right timing, whereas in PES 19 a lot of skills are a sure loss of possesion no matter how
-misskicking: i ve seen it a lot in shooting and in passing, pes 19 is more forgiving.
-tactical defending: makes you sit on the edge of your chair, with very focused defending and well timed standing tackle. PES 2019 makes you pushing cross plus square the most of the time, making defending less immersive
-atmosphere: Stadiums, crowd, intros, chants, effects are much more well worked than PES 19.
-pass and shoot target lock: you can change the direction of your kick just before the player kicks the ball. In pes the target locks just after you press the button, which is very restricting and leadingo to dumb pass misplacing
-commentary: That is the state for many years now. PEs is repetitive and somehow staged.
-no rails : the rail feel (players stucked to a certain path) of PES 19 is not present in FIFA 18.
-better visuals :Like crowd animation, waving kits and hair, shirt pull, and much more weather effects.
-cpu do dribble the ball and is not constantly passing like in pes 19
-handball: no such thing in PES
-better net physics: In pes every time the ball hits the net it travels towards the center of the net mesh, no matter the direction or the power.
-better modern menus
-overall much better presentation

Being an offline player, FIFA 18/19 is a joy to play

My biggest FIFA 18/19 gripes are:
-Ball feels too linear, and does not follow curved trajectories in passing. Also it does not bouncy realistically even in a heavily worn pitch
-Some animations are executed too rapidly. That happens mainly in cpu passing.
-Some animations are a little bit cartoonish
-Ball size is somehow a bit small. Fifa 19 fixed that.


So i really can't wait for FIFA 20!
One week earlier i thought PES 2020 would be the way to go.

 

[Chris Davies]

Sometimes I think I understand gaming, but. There's this one guy I know, who turns on his PlayStation every night, plays FIFA 19 - specifically Career Mode - and his scorelines are broadcast via the "Friends" menu.

Every game he plays (as Everton), he wins by ridiculous scorelines:

But he comes back and plays every single night, and wins 7, 8, 9 nil - then tells everyone how great the game is.

Isn't it incredibly boring?

And how as a company do you keep gamers like him happy, and gamers like us happy, with one game? (Well, I guess he can just keep playing on Amateur or whatever but... Seriously... I don't get it!)

Remember this guy?

Just noticed his current game, and he's playing against himself. Or with a friend. And winning 9-0, this time.

What the fuck is the point? Seriously?

So, clearly I'm obsessed with this guy, but.

I've just put the PS4 on, and there he is.

It's 0-10 as I type.

All I'm saying is.

Are you not bored to death?

 

[Chuny]

Do you want to talk about it Chris?
We're here for you homie.

 

[el niche]

So, clearly I'm obsessed with this guy, but.

It's 0-10 as I type.

All I'm saying is.

Are you not bored to death?

LOL different strokes for different folks. I have a friend that has played over 8 seasons in FIFA career and he has not lost more than 4 games or something like that. He loves it. took a division 3 team all the way to champions league glory. I wonder if he is bored, but he talks about his career mode with such passion, I guess we all look for different things in a game.

 

[*aLe]

LOL different strokes for different folks. I have a friend that has played over 8 seasons in FIFA career and he has not lost more than 4 games or something like that. He loves it. took a division 3 team all the way to champions league glory. I wonder if he is bored, but he talks about his career mode with such passion, I guess we all look for different things in a game.

Yeah, several people I know are also like this.
When I suggest them to try manual, they usually respond with "What? I'll lose and not have fun anymore then" and there's no way for me to convince them that the real fun (or the satisfaction at least) doesn't come from winning 5-0 all the time but by scraping a 1-0 win knowing that that shot at the top corner wasn't "laser giuded" but was genuinely yours (and maybe you've been also assisted with a little luck, why not?).

 

[real022]

I am currently playing FIFA 19 career mode, World Class level.

What do you say about that AI compared to PES 2020 demo? (have not tried yet, steam version is not out atm.)

I am very pleased with every single game so far in Fifa. Every game is somehow different. Fun.
There is clearly that AI is trying to attack or defend on many ways, and according to current result.

What I am comparing now, is pes 2019 ML games, which is just unplayable how boring and shallow it is.
There is just that ball physics in Pes which is better, without anything else. Like some tech demo to show what is possible to do...and there is almost no real game behind that.

 

[Chris Davies]

Hm, I've just played a few games of FIFA 16 online, then immediately afterwards played PES 2020 online, and... I'm surprised, I came off the back of disliking FIFA because it was a bit too back-and-forth and manic (despite playing on "slow" - it was a custom match where you can choose your game speed), and I was looking forward to playing PES again.

But it felt so, so, so laggy in comparison (the connection was great - it's the responsiveness I'm talking about). I felt like I was having to wrestle my players around like guiding sumo wrestlers, not athletes.

So many times I walked into players (let alone ran), largely because it's still SUPER easy to press for 90 minutes online and NOT easy to escape the attention because your input is so laggy.

I had a couple of online players on PES (both of whom I'm glad to say I beat regardless) just constantly pressing and ping-ponging. It wasn't fun. I didn't win and punch the sky - I just felt mildly satisfied that their "sweaty" tactics didn't work for them.

FIFA 20's Ultimate Team gameplay looks like a slower 19 and that's a start - and there's a greater emphasis on build-up play from the looks of it (but really, this was 2v2 gameplay so who knows).

I really want to get my hands on FIFA now. I want to see if all the stuff that's been promised (attributes meaning a lot more etc.) is in there - hiding behind the dodgy, shuffling defensive animations and the random player jerks in motion that never seem to go away.

 

[TroyDeeneyScoredAPenal!]

@Chris Davies I want to believe that FIFA 20 will be slower than 19... I really do. But something tells me the FUT kids (sorry to generalize) will say its too slow if EA do that.

Why they can't have different game speeds for their "Arcadey Fantasy" Modes and a more realistic speed for all other game modes is beyond me.... give the FUT crowd the fast paced BS if that is what they want but give the rest of us a game which runs at a realistic pace.

I just don't trust EA after so many years of the game appearing to be slower or people promising us its slower and then we get our hands on it and its STILL 200MPH football at its WORST!

As for PES 2020 Demo, played this online, won 2-0 against a guy who chose Barca and he just kept trying to sprint at me. I was using United and defended him easily and hit him on the counter twice. Both goals I scored felt meh.

 

[PRO_TOO]

It is in contrast to today’s PES and FIFA. And i compare it to them both.


How much passion gone into this. It’s crazy.

 

[Suechtelnranger]

@Chris DaviesI was using United and defended him easily and hit him on the counter twice. Both goals I scored felt meh.

My biggest gripe with PES since years is that goal scoring isn’t satisfying. It’s so fundamental for me. It’s got probably lost when PES moved to the PS3.
At FIFA 19 it is pure joy. Especially you are able to place the ball at the bottom corner with 1mph. At PES every shot is a rocket.
I will probably buy both, but will get my fix of gaming this year with the new COD in October and RDR2. ;-)

 

[Madmac79]

It is in contrast to today’s PES and FIFA. And i compare it to them both.


How much passion gone into this. It’s crazy.

Watched the whole thing. Wow! I'm speechless. And really fascinated. I do not follow American Football at all, yet this guy kept me super hooked with the review and I can easily see why this title was truly something else.

To think a game of this incredible depth existed in the Ps2 era it's mind blowing. Look at the animations, the gameplay, the game modes..

Now keep in mind that as I said I do not follow american football, so maybe the game is easier to simulate than our own soccer, but it still leaves me to think that maybe WE/Pes, for how good and incredibly magic it was, still wasn't the absolute best that could have existed at the times like more or less all of us thought. I mean look at the very least at that career.. we never had anything remotely comparable in both Fifa or Pes..

14 years ago. Unbelievable.

 

[PRO_TOO]

Watched the whole thing. Wow! I'm speechless. And really fascinated. I do not follow American Football at all, yet this guy kept me super hooked with the review and I can easily see why this title was truly something else.

To think a game of this incredible depth existed in the Ps2 era it's mind blowing. Look at the animations, the gameplay, the game modes..

Now keep in mind that as I said I do not follow american football, so maybe the game is easier to simulate than our own soccer, but it still leaves me to think that maybe WE/Pes, for how good and incredibly magic it was, still wasn't the absolute best that could have existed at the times like more or less all of us thought. I mean look at the very least at that career.. we never had anything remotely comparable in both Fifa or Pes..

14 years ago. Unbelievable.

It was a joy to play back then!

 

[rockstrongo]

It was a joy to play back then!

And 99% of people are still pissed off that EA got hold off the NFL franchise,just like I'm pissed off at EA for being the only ones having NHL when NHL 2k were a hundred times better (like 2k vs NBA live )

 

[OBH]

i am a keen PES fan.
Since Pes 2013 till today, i think PES represents the real sport better.
Back in 2011, FIFA 11 was a revelation for me. I think it was my top game i fell in love in my gaming history.
The day i tried FIFA 11 demo (it was night tbh) i couldn't stop playing. Everything seemed too perfect, smooth, solid, and next gen for me (coming after the stale and obsolete PES 2010). I can recall that i played 14 consecutive seasons.
FIFA 12 killed some of the smoothness, Fifa 13 was ok with the free ball spining and unscripted controlling, but PES 2013 demo was better for me for some reason. PES 2014 was the most anticipated game and a huge let down after trying it, FIFA 14 was ok with some fidel doctor mods (soccer gaming modder).
Any way for me PES 16, 17, 18, 19 was a must buy, not giving a real chance to FIFA's as i was dissapointed from the jerky animations. I skipped tottaly FIFA 18, as i was astonished by the smooth PES 2018 (but boring somehow).
PES 2019 is a very good game for me, highly playable, so PES 2020 is well anticipated.
But.....
5 days ago i tried FIFA 18, with 2 mods (fidel doctor agpe gameplay mod, and Lod Fix that makes level of detail in game much higher, and animation quality also).
I think this is the best soccer simulation i ever played.

The reasons why FIFA 18 felt better and why PES 2019 felt cheap and very off-gen are below:


-footplanting and player weight: The best till today. Fifa 19 was a little worse in order to become more responsive
-shot variety: Shots differ a lot, with many misskicks, and variable trajectories.
-cpu fouls/penalties: Cpu does commit fouls and penalties (In PES 19 thats a major problem)
-stats matter more: Stats like speed agility and strength are noticable in field
-marking and midfield play: I love the fact that cpu marking makes me to follow a more build up style of play, i use my body and inertia to protect the ball, i have to think the next pass etc. PES is more end to end with a lot less midfield play
-collisions: Better but not the best ever, good body and ball interaction, shouldering and minimal clipping
-more than 2 players jump for headers. In pes only 2 players jump, sadly...
-graphics: compared to vanilla PES 19 graphics i think FIFA 18 has better lighting and more realistic turf.
-content : not much to comment here
-skills do work: Skills are effective with right timing, whereas in PES 19 a lot of skills are a sure loss of possesion no matter how
-misskicking: i ve seen it a lot in shooting and in passing, pes 19 is more forgiving.
-tactical defending: makes you sit on the edge of your chair, with very focused defending and well timed standing tackle. PES 2019 makes you pushing cross plus square the most of the time, making defending less immersive
-atmosphere: Stadiums, crowd, intros, chants, effects are much more well worked than PES 19.
-pass and shoot target lock: you can change the direction of your kick just before the player kicks the ball. In pes the target locks just after you press the button, which is very restricting and leadingo to dumb pass misplacing
-commentary: That is the state for many years now. PEs is repetitive and somehow staged.
-no rails : the rail feel (players stucked to a certain path) of PES 19 is not present in FIFA 18.
-better visuals :Like crowd animation, waving kits and hair, shirt pull, and much more weather effects.
-cpu do dribble the ball and is not constantly passing like in pes 19
-handball: no such thing in PES
-better net physics: In pes every time the ball hits the net it travels towards the center of the net mesh, no matter the direction or the power.
-better modern menus
-overall much better presentation

Being an offline player, FIFA 18/19 is a joy to play

My biggest FIFA 18/19 gripes are:
-Ball feels too linear, and does not follow curved trajectories in passing. Also it does not bouncy realistically even in a heavily worn pitch
-Some animations are executed too rapidly. That happens mainly in cpu passing.
-Some animations are a little bit cartoonish
-Ball size is somehow a bit small. Fifa 19 fixed that.


So i really can't wait for FIFA 20!
One week earlier i thought PES 2020 would be the way to go.

These are my favourite kind of comments when discussing football games, as they show just how different an experience players are looking for.

At first I agreed completely, Fifa 10 & 11 were fantastic, the games that pulled me away from PES completely for a number of years.

But then the differences..... to me, Fifa 19 is the WORST football game ever made.... by MILES!
Of course I’m not saying your wrong in your own opinion at all, as I said, everyone’s looking for something different, but my own personal taste when judging a football game is that I couldn’t care less about handballs, net physics, foot planting, commentary or even content if the gameplay is so fundamentally broken and easy to exploit. Gks simply cannot save at the near post, finesse shots from certain angles go in every single time, players move faster doing certain skills then when sprinting, timed finishing is so overpowered it’s ridiculous, and the the bugs.... THE BUGS. My god, I’ve seen everything from collisions turning into dragon ball z and players flying half way across the pitch, to shots going out for a corner but a goal is given(!?), to 21 players on the pitch all freezing and my opponent selected his gk cos he was the only player either of us could control, ran the length of the pitch, collected the ball and scored.

My mate has so many hilarious bugs recorded on x box live.

On a side note I’ve never liked how Fifa has no appreciation for lower league players. PES acknowledges that some lower league players have fantastic free kicks or penalties, Fifa makes Ackinfenwa 99 strength every year and that’s literally it.

 

[real022]

As an Pes online player I am to conclusion that Fifa is much more closed for exploits than Pes?

Like the game mechanic is what prevents players to do certain things which consider spamming.
(or ridiculous formations for example).

 

[mfmaxpower]

As an Pes online player I am to conclusion that Fifa is much more closed for exploits than Pes?

Like the game mechanic is what prevents players to do certain things which consider spamming.
(or ridiculous formations for example).

FIFA 19 was a disaster online, full of bad gameplay, bugs, and yes, exploits. So far the early word is that FIFA 20 is better online but we'll have to wait and see.

 

[goalgerd]

Watched the whole thing. Wow! I'm speechless. And really fascinated. I do not follow American Football at all, yet this guy kept me super hooked with the review and I can easily see why this title was truly something else.

To think a game of this incredible depth existed in the Ps2 era it's mind blowing. Look at the animations, the gameplay, the game modes..

Now keep in mind that as I said I do not follow american football, so maybe the game is easier to simulate than our own soccer, but it still leaves me to think that maybe WE/Pes, for how good and incredibly magic it was, still wasn't the absolute best that could have existed at the times like more or less all of us thought. I mean look at the very least at that career.. we never had anything remotely comparable in both Fifa or Pes..

14 years ago. Unbelievable.

it was the same for pes 5/6 and gran turismo 4 on the ps2, still yet to be beaten in terms of gameplay

 

[ballsinwater]

nfl 2k5 was truly ahead of its time. Visual concepts did actually make another football game without the nfl licence called All pro football 2k8 which (IMO) is the gold standard of (american) football gaming to this day. Still a much better representation of the sport than Madden 20.

 

[FootieGamer]

Quick test if you have Fifa 20 Beta and PES 20 Demo

• Put on all the assistance you can, PA3 on PES and all assistance to on in Fifa
• Take any defender and, under no pressure, try and pass the ball off the field.

In PES, it will literally change the pass to aim to someone possibly 130 degrees angle different to where you are aiming. Fifa will let you pass out of play unless someone is within a smaller angle of vision from your player.

PES players would argue that if you want to pass the ball out of play, push the manual pass modifier button to ensure it but that's not the point. The point is that in the pressure of a tight game, people make mistakes with their controls. If the game is compensating for mis-press of a button or the wrong angle being used by the controller in order to make something look good then it's no longer mostly about the user controlling the game.

It's for this reason, Fifa wins for me from a user experience. It is less on rails and anything can happen. PES won't allow things to happen unless you turn off assistance or use the manual pass modifier button.

 

[OBH]

Quick test if you have Fifa 20 Beta and PES 20 Demo

• 
  Put on all the assistance you can, PA3 on PES and all assistance to on in Fifa
  Take any defender and, under no pressure, try and pass the ball off the field.

In PES, it will literally change the pass to aim to someone possibly 130 degrees angle different to where you are aiming. Fifa will let you pass out of play unless someone is within a smaller angle of vision from your player.

PES players would argue that if you want to pass the ball out of play, push the manual pass modifier button to ensure it but that's not the point. The point is that in the pressure of a tight game, people make mistakes with their controls. If the game is compensating for mis-press of a button or the wrong angle being used by the controller in order to make something look good then it's no longer mostly about the user controlling the game.

It's for this reason, Fifa wins for me from a user experience. It is less on rails and anything can happen. PES won't allow things to happen unless you turn off assistance or use the manual pass modifier button.

This doesn't work because you're judging your entire argument vs PA3.

I'm not doubting how ridiculous PA3 is, but you can't simply disregard the fact that there are 3 other PA settings.

 

[FootieGamer]

This doesn't work because you're judging your entire argument vs PA3.

I'm not doubting how ridiculous PA3 is, but you can't simply disregard the fact that there are 3 other PA settings.

The argument is that when you play online, you can't tell what options your opponent will be playing at. If they use the most assisted mode there is, then they get this compensation of user error. In Fifa, I have most settings to assisted but it will not stop me hitting the ball out of play if i mistakenly mash my controller in a panic.

Against CPU, i'd agree with you - you will change your assistance to something that won't help you too much like PA1 or PA2 possibly.

 

[Bingham67]

Granted I still have to play the Fifa 20 demo but I cant say it going to sway me Im thinking of investing in a new PC for PES this year totally hooked on the demo.

Fifa is abit like Call of Duty stagnated for a very long time but needs a refresh just like it has this year COD looks amazing.The main players in PES just like the old days stick out far better then what Fifa creates it a joy to play with players like Pogba and Dybala, Messi and Ronaldo etc.

Sadly the die hard Fifa fans wont vote with there wallet and EA cash cow UT will continue whilst rest of the game left behind.

 

[mfmaxpower]

Quick test if you have Fifa 20 Beta and PES 20 Demo

• 
  Put on all the assistance you can, PA3 on PES and all assistance to on in Fifa
  Take any defender and, under no pressure, try and pass the ball off the field.

In PES, it will literally change the pass to aim to someone possibly 130 degrees angle different to where you are aiming. Fifa will let you pass out of play unless someone is within a smaller angle of vision from your player.

PES players would argue that if you want to pass the ball out of play, push the manual pass modifier button to ensure it but that's not the point. The point is that in the pressure of a tight game, people make mistakes with their controls. If the game is compensating for mis-press of a button or the wrong angle being used by the controller in order to make something look good then it's no longer mostly about the user controlling the game.

It's for this reason, Fifa wins for me from a user experience. It is less on rails and anything can happen. PES won't allow things to happen unless you turn off assistance or use the manual pass modifier button.

I'm with you. It's probably my biggest issue with the game - it's incredibly assisted, and also quite restrictive. It does result in a far more realistic visual experience on screen, and a more smoother one, but for me it's not quite ticking the boxes I look for in a gaming experience.

I'm excited for the full release, but once again - despite its brilliance, and there's tons to praise about it - I seriously doubt it's going to last long again for me.

 

[Dennis_87]

The argument is that when you play online, you can't tell what options your opponent will be playing at.

Yes you can.There are filters.You can put it to play only against PA1 for example if you play on PA1 as well.I always do that.PA3 is ridiculous we all know that.People who play for money like the so called ''pros'' and others who only care about winning at all costs,yes they will use it.People who want a more realistic gameplay won't use it.

The default setting is PA1 and Assisted in Fifa.And PA1 especially in 20 demo is more realistic than Fifa's Assisted.More free and more error.In Fifa you can pass from ridiculous angles and still be succesfull.You really have to try to make a wrong pass or just be really bad at the game.It's ridiculously assisted.Not the case with Pes this year.

Also in Pes there are filters for team strength.So if you have a 2 or 3 star team you can play only against similar opponents if you want.In Fifa you can't so it's clearly pay to win.You are forced to spend if you wanna have a chance against all the all star teams that you face.

The thing is that players who are so used to Fifa's gameplay and it's super responsive controls and frantic animations,come to Pes and say it's delayed or on rails or whatever.Pes,especially 20,has logic and physics in it's animations.Weight and inertia.You can't expect the player to do what you want him to do the exact same nanosecond you pressed the button even if it doesn't make any sense physics wise like you can in twitchy Fifa.It will do what is more logical and realistic to be done and give the animation it's time to complete it's cycle normally like it should do.Some people like this approach,some don't.
I prefer this approach because i find it more pleasant and realistic to the eye and feel on the controller.Others find it frustrating because they want their inputs to transform in a nanosecond to the screen even if it means chopped weightless animations.