FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

[PRO_TOO]

Been mentioned previously. It's a bug that was present from the first beta. Not sure why they haven't fixed it yet...

i just had a read on what that feature actually does!

indeed, thats a nice feature to have. perfect for guys like me, playing the AI on professional. so stars would stand out even more... lovely. i will keep an eye on that!

 

[el niche]

A little tip for those who is thinking about getting the stadia version. If you buy FIFA you get a Stadia Premier Editition for free, which includes a chromecast ultra and a Stadia controller. That's a no brainer for me, if you want to play next gen and don't have a PS5.

It seems just for a few countries unfortunately. But for ze germans for evo web. No USA

 

[Flipper the Priest]

i just had a read on what that feature actually does!

indeed, thats a nice fearture to have. perfect for guys like me, playing the AI on professional. so stars would stand out even more... lovely. i will keep an eye on that!

First time I've read about it in any detail too. Shouldn't that just be the standard? 🤔

 

[Anderson_PES]

It seems just for a few countries unfortunately. But for ze germans for evo web. No USA

Thanks for the clarification! Wasn't aware of that.

 

[Matt10]

i just had a read on what that feature actually does!

indeed, thats a nice fearture to have. perfect for guys like me, playing the AI on professional. so stars would stand out even more... lovely. i will keep an eye on that!

I'm still not sure about how I feel about the feature. On one hand, it definitely makes players stand out. It also allows defenders to stick out when they're the star player too. On the other hand, it makes the chosen star mid/attackers act like Mbappe with their dribbling. Seen it all too often where they choose to pull off a bunch of useless skill moves right in front of goal rather than shoot or pass. However, there are times when they pull off the most amazing moves in the middle of the pitch. It's a love-hate relationship at the moment.

 

[Chris Davies]

First time I've read about it in any detail too. Shouldn't that just be the standard? 🤔

With the feature off, they will still play to the best of their ability - but limited to the "maximum" AI of the difficulty level.

So on Professional, strikers miss the target often because of the difficulty level, even though the best strikers will miss the target slightly less. With Player Based Difficulty on, they'll be World Class strikers and have less of a limitation - but you still get the passive nature of Professional in midfield.

I like the idea, but it's too simplistic I think. But then, my ideal is way too complicated.

For example... The Legendary midfield is tough to get through, and I love that. It's even better (defensively) with Competitor Mode on. But Professional's midfielders actually misplace passes, and mistime tackles, so I want that - and Competitor Mode makes certain attacking players into twitchy ninjas, so I DON'T want that.

I wish all of the AI areas were sliders, or on/off options. We know this is how the AI is split between difficulties:

...so why not let us mix and match?

Give me World Class's "attacking intelligence", Professional's "reaction speed" and Legendary's "defensive intelligence".

Plus Professional's "the AI makes mistakes sometimes".

And better goalkeepers. And fouls.

 

[PRO_TOO]

I'm still not sure about how I feel about the feature. On one hand, it definitely makes players stand out. It also allows defenders to stick out when they're the star player too. On the other hand, it makes the chosen star mid/attackers act like Mbappe with their dribbling. Seen it all too often where they choose to pull off a bunch of useless skill moves right in front of goal rather than shoot or pass. However, there are times when they pull off the most amazing moves in the middle of the pitch. It's a love-hate relationship at the moment.

got ya!
i see it as an aditional option in the end! we can tinker with this like we do with sliders. same for the competitor mode en- or disabled. all options we can take to enhance our game! lets combine them, try mixes...
everything that is optional is good imo!

 

[drekkard]

I tried it last night and had a big let down with the game. In Professional difficulty I win my matches 5-1 or 7-2 easily, there is no challenge even if the AI shots at goal as many times as I do, and that's the big problem: how on earth are you supposed to defend in this game???
- Midfielders just ignore anyone around
- Your teammates mostly ignore any oncoming attacker
- AI can dribble disregarding any physics law and can pass with pinpoint accuracy even on 180º passes

On professional they miss quite a lot so I win comfortably but on World Class suddenly they are pingponging the ball with no option at all to stop it and then shoot to the corner. Any player, from any decent club. The game seems absolutely unbalanced at first sight and defending is the worse I've seen in any team sport game and there's a high amount of cheating like making deflections go straight to the AI players and all this kind of "balancing stuff" they put to try to seem competent playing the game.

Also, midfield is completely unexistant when the AI attack. If they have opsesion, I found it is almost imposible to force errors or interrupt their attacks, they bloody easily get to the area in no time and effortlessly. When I attack, sometimes I need to elaborate a bit but if I want, I just get to the area and shoot in 2-3 passes. It is as if there si nothing in the game that can be done to contain the opponent.

The game has a lot of nice touches and a lot of technology in it, and probably I have to get used to a lot of things as my last Fifa was 18, but the AI of your teammates seems to be in complete shambles, I really can't understand how this game has been released like this. The AI just passes the ball around without any opposition at a speed that is higher than your abbility to change player and get near them. If you contain, your teammates will leave anyone unattended, if you press they pass or simply dribble like maradona. Am I missing something very crucial? I'm not talking about sliders and all that... just the vanilla version of the game as it comes, how the hell are we supposed to

 

[Emroth]

I did see a lot of comments here asking
"How the hell do you defend in this game?"
The answer is - manually, with a sprinkle of patience.
I am NOT, by any means, a great player on Fifa, never claimed to be, but Fifa16 taught me a lot. AI was so good and sneaky that I had to re-learn whole defensive approach.
I dont use any contain bollox, or second man press. I cover passing lanes, trying to predict the receiver and when passing options are cut off - Im applying pressure by slowly closing them down, jockeying and waiting for the moment to tackle.
Defending is actually really rewarding when you take the foot off the gas and try to be sneaky yourself.

 

[Chris Davies]

I did see a lot of comments here asking
"How the hell do you defend in this game?"
The answer is - manually, with a sprinkle of patience.
I am by no means a great player on Fifa, never claimed to be, but Fifa16 taught me a lot. AI was so good and sneaky that I had to re-learn whole defensive approach.
I dont use any contain bollox, or second man press. I cover passing lanes, trying to predict the receiver and when passing options are cut off - Im applying pressure by slowly closing them down, jockeying and waiting for the moment to tackle.
Defending is actually really rewarding when you take the foot off the gas and try to be sneaky yourself.

Having played previous FIFA's against you, it pisses me off how you block half my passes. You'd be great online, if you could bring yourself to play ping-pong passing.

 

[Emroth]

Having played previous FIFA's against you, it pisses me off how you block half my passes. You'd be great online, if you could bring yourself to play ping-pong passing.

Thats the nicest thing you ever said to me!
Unfortunately the magic usually ends when I get the ball back.
You wanna see how I tried to chip shot the keeper earlier.. AI got a throw-in out of that..

 

[romagnoli]

Has anybody worked out how to stop one of your CBs running back into the penalty area with a striker while the rest of the team is 20 yards further up the pitch?

And how do we stop teams just merrily passing to their CBs deeper and deeper into your area when you’re meant to be in a low block and stopping exactly that sort of thing?

I don’t play much FIFA so I don’t know how much of this is just me, but I feel that thing I tend to when I play FIFA which is that none of my teammates will actually help me defend, and I’m having to fight the cursor and try to Weekend At Bernie’s them into not being completely passive, rather than work as part of a unit. It’s not as bad as in FIFA 21 but it’s something that makes me wary of buying the game once the 10 hour trial is up. I hope sliders help massively but I also hope there’s a particular tactical instruction that just needs to be set for the back line because otherwise the game’s a bit broken.

 

[Madmac79]

Is this Player Based Difficulty Next Gen only?

 

[Isslander]

Now to see if they mess this up with a day one patch, if not it's time to get spendin'

 

[Emroth]

Is this Player Based Difficulty Next Gen only?

I dont... think so...?
Only hypermotion animations are not on old gen I think.
I like the feature, but its entirely dependant on how you play. If you play on world class or something - this thing will ramp AI star players to Shaolin Soccer Level.
But if you play on Professional, like myself, then its a nice touch. Coz they are standing out from the crowd, without being superheroes.
Just this fucking indicator has to be fixed. I dont want to know who they are. And with me playing on minimal HUD interference - these arrows are driving me insane.

Oh and I do like the new default camera. Something between Pes Stadium and Broadcast. Its dynamic in a nice and subtle way, without making it awkward (I never use broadcast due to its awkwardness in controls)

 

[el niche]

I did see a lot of comments here asking
"How the hell do you defend in this game?"
The answer is - manually, with a sprinkle of patience.

That's totally me, I remember I learned to defend in tactical in FIFA 16 and was pretty good because it was the only way online. Then, after 16, I just went to legacy. But now little by little, starting in professional I'm learning to close lanes, like you said no team-mate pressure or contain mumbo jumbo. Just jockey, and have been getting better. Now I am in world class and it is nice to pick off passes (I do feel once they get to your box its pretty hard to get the ball back).
Patience.... and re-learn defending. Legacy this year for me is totally useless.

 

[thelinnen]

My method of defending on Fifa is unconventional, but it's worked for me for years now. Since tactical defending became a thing anyway.

Only press the tackle button when it's a sure thing that you'll get the ball. Otherwise you should be holding L2 and jockeying constantly. Just run in to the player with the ball whilst jockeying and you'll get it back most of the time.

This comes unstuck sometimes against the skill move sweats in online seasons, but players who just hold R2 with Mbappe should be handled easily. Then again this is the least pro friendly game in years, so maybe this method of defending will become the meta.

 

[Sami 1999]

@vialli82 You were on to something regarding the defense system. I read your message, switched back to Tactical Defending and it felt better. I had never used TD before. I think you were right, EA have done something to Legacy Defending to make it less effective and it feels weird. The AI would ridicule me when I defended like that and now I got much better all of a sudden just by using TD.

So thanks.

When they introduced tactical defending, I immediately switched to it.
Cause to me, Tactical defending is the Legacy defending.

Been playing fifa since rtwc 98 and the "hold button to defend" wasn't a thing until fifa 2005 and I never liked that change. So fifa 12 reintroducing the old style of defending system was a blessing for me.

 

[Emroth]

like you said no team-mate pressure or contain mumbo jumbo

I actually think contain and Legacy pressure are "broken" anyway. By design.
They will never close them down properly. I remember in F21 there was an invisible barrier around players, so applying pressure on Legacy Defending was only going to get you to a point and then you couldnt get any closer.
Tactical, although difficult, works.
Also - remember that even tackle itself is power sensitive. The longer you press - the harder the tackle. But its a risk-reward, as its more difficult to recover if you over-commit.
L2 for physical battles as well, not only shielding while you are on the ball.. there's a lot of stuff to get used to.
Im talking here like I know it all, but im still learning myself..

 

[PRO_TOO]

edit: i will call this smiley Kylian from now on!

edit: btw: i'll be live streaming later. if anyone is interested to see some certain fixture... visit the chat and your wish may be granted!

Prolicious Gamer on YouTube

 

[vialli82]

Just a quick question, if someone has checked in Edit mode:
As every player where greyed, except stats if you wanted to change... But not Height/Weight, facebuilds etc.
I suppose no one have checked, but just asking in case...

I ordered the game, will probably receive it in two or three day.
Was not a hard decision, i'll take the game as it is, no comparison or whatever. I gotted a big Amazon reduction and i checked every game i got interest in : those games won't be out before 2022 like March so and i already got all the games i need so...

Hope i will enjoy it. I play both online and offline, and whatever i will try at least "slow" in pace, not too much sliders or i will stick in the 5th division forever (as i always at least reached the 2nd division without any "buy 3 points" games help online, didn't even know it was possible before FIFA 19, no joke or i would have won 1st division many time)

 

[PRO_TOO]

nerd infos incoming!

the trail version:


clean install from disc:


game installing, update loading:


as I see it, game comes with version 000 and the 1GB update makes it the trail version 001.
I will surely give the triple zero version a try first.

 

[MishkiN]

I've been playing the trial, really wanting to get into it, but that spark isn't there. Just feels like a completely shallow experience and void of any magic. Who would have predicted that football gaming would've wound up being this bleak.

 

[PRO_TOO]

I’m live.

 

[HyperSports]

nerd infos incoming!

the trail version:
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clean install from disc:
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game installing, update loading:
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as I see it, game comes with version 000 and the 1GB update makes it the trail version 001.
I will surely give the triple zero version a try first.

Thanks pro_too..Info that’s important as I’m toying with pressing the button on the ultimate edition right now so I can atleast turn my auto updates off and enjoy version 001 tonight digitally.Without the horror of buying a disc and the day one patch(if there is one)only allowing me to update the lastest version not version 001.I just really like the gameplay of the trial and don’t want ea to stuff it up or turn it into a sped fest..

I know ea of old and I’m still playing 16 unpatched via the disc on my series X.Don’t get me wrong,a patch may bring in some quality improvements.But you know..

 

[PRO_TOO]

I’m live.

Sorry. Couldn’t stand 000 without the sliders. Had dinner. Applied the beta set and will be back at 7:45 pm CET.

The mic somehow didn’t work. Gotta fix that.

mic ain’t working but I’m live with sliders.

 

[FShas]

Sorry. Couldn’t stand 000 without the sliders. Had dinner. Applied the beta set and will be back at 7:45 pm CET.

The mic somehow didn’t work. Gotta fix that.

mic ain’t working but I’m live with sliders.

It's so weird hearing your voice! I just always assumed you'd sound like Doug! I always read your posts in his voice!!

How are you finding the two versions? Any damage done by the first update?

 

[vialli82]

Too fast/easy to turn or doing difficult thing IRL from my taste. Needs to try and put it on slow, i hope it doesn't mess up with little things IG as i've readed from Saturator (who played more than anyone here) Low Passing, well it's Fifa, very flat and direct. I like long ball and crossing in counterpart.

The first goal i saw... Well no choice, i'll got to do with it on PS5.
Or i'll play my last year season from the other game (as i did very few matchs in the last 2 years and liked it a lot)
But graphically, i found it superb.

 

[PRO_TOO]

It's so weird hearing your voice! I just always assumed you'd sound like Doug! I always read your posts in his voice!!

How are you finding the two versions? Any damage done by the first update?

Man, I wish I sounded better! for you! 😂 I can’t hear myself like you do But I imagine myself as dough.
i really enjoy the 001 with beta 2 slider set. Man I’m having fun on slow, prof., 10 min halves! Reminders me so much of FIFA16. Really. Only in fresh and all polished. If only the collision system and ref + foul system was better, aka the FIFA16 one…

anyway, i want to play more.

Another live stream later tonight? I’ll be up long time. So if there is a wish for a fixture… let me know.

by the way, was I am making fun of Kylian Mbappé today? Because my last match just ended Mbappé 4, Bayern 0!

 

[FShas]

Man, I wish I sounded better! for you! 😂 I can’t hear myself like you do But I imagine myself as dough.
i really enjoy the 001 with beta 2 slider set. Man I’m having fun on slow, prof., 10 min halves! Reminders me so much of FIFA16. Really. Only in fresh and all polished. If only the collision system and ref + foul system was better, aka the FIFA16 one…

anyway, i want to play more.

Another live stream later tonight? I’ll be up long time. So if there is a wish for a fixture… let me know.

by the way, was I am making fun of Kylian Mbappé today? Because my last match just ended Mbappé 4, Bayern 0!

Haha! Your voice is cool, perfect for relaxed football footage. I watched a lot of King of Queens in my late teens during the summer holidays so you have a massive amount of goodwill and positive association in my eyes anyway!

Great to hear the update did no damage. It looked fine in the updated footage.