FIFA 22 Discussion (Console Versions)

On the one hand, the image looks so lifelike it's spooky. Looks fantastic.

On the other hand... It's obviously broken. Check out the projected goals figure.

FUCKING SIGH. Another new feature, broken on release...

 
Chris Davies said:
On the one hand, the image looks so lifelike it's spooky. Looks fantastic.

On the other hand... It's obviously broken. Check out the projected goals figure.

FUCKING SIGH. Another new feature, broken on release...

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Well, the date is 12/09/2021 and he's scored 11 goals in 5 matches? haha. The projection is fine, but it could be even worse: it could be telling us something about the state of the defending. 😅
 
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remjohn said:
I think it's brilliant that there are communities like this one that put pressure on devs to create more realistic games and continue to ask for and demand the things we all want in terms of more sim-like gameplay. I'm glad you people are around because I'm too lazy and wouldn't know where to start.

However, don't deny yourselves fun. I picked up FIFA 21 for Series X last year as there was no next gen PES and I had a pretty good time. I often pick up FIFA later on when it's cheap and I'm bored of PES. This year there'll be no 'proper' PES so it's going to be FIFA again and I'm not too worried.

Yes, it has its issues and will have plenty again this year - I'm not making apologies for it, but try to enjoy it too. There's lots that's amazing about modern football games - I played the first ever FIFA on the Mega Drive and when I think about where things are now I'm more than satisfied.

I get how annoying all the little things are because they seem so easy to fix if they just wanted to, but look at the bright side too and enjoy smashing the ball into those nets, which do look nice. There's a simple fun to be had if you just let yourself from time to time.

Carry on with all the campaigning because it's important and makes for better games for all of us, but enjoy what's there too. It's pretty good.
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It’s great you are enjoying it pal but fun is also relative.

Most in here don’t cut off their nose to spite their FIFA face.

If you play PES 5 again, it’s hardly close to the real thing but it definitely is “Fun” for the majority of us, as it provided emotional elements and experiences of what it’s like to play, watch and be a supporter of football.

If you watched a video of PES 5 and FIFA 21, you would have to be mental to think Fifa didn’t look superior or like real football ( within reason ) but when you hold the controller and play it, for me and others, there is a complete disconnect in terms of mechanics, difficulty but most of all the feeling, which translates to fun.
 
manmachine said:
Well, the date is 12/09/2021 and he's scored 11 goals in 5 matches? haha. The projection is fine, but it could be even worse: it could be telling us something about the state of the defending. 😅
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Yeah it'll just be goals + goals per game x fixtures remaining.

Hope they weren't playing on Legendary.
 
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It's an algorithm that works out goal average per games played. Clearly it'll be relative to how you choose to play and the difficulty level you want to play at. I assume that person is playing on the easiest difficulty. Still, a strange choice for a promo shot.

Reminds me of a classic Konami gaff, when they used promo shots of the master league which showed that Liverpool had sold all their best players in the first window.
 
He could be playing on the easiest difficulty but "world class" defending in 21 is also like "amateur" defending in Fifa 17, so no one can rule out he's playing on a higher difficulty either. That's the problem with their dumb AI defending.
 
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Mathgamer said:
In beta the defence was something very difficult to break, however the laterals were quite easy to exploit with wingers.
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All I wonder now is whether there are more people complaining in the beta forums about the exploit, or about how "difficult" it is to break down the rest of the defence. 😅
 
Watching Blackburn v Swansea and knowing that regardless what €A or €football release this year (and the past 5-6 years) it's never going to replicate the physicality and toughness of game of football.
That's pretty sad.
 
we know that either fifa or pes will never be simulation football games. from the videos I saw, especially next gen stuff like hypermotion it looks very promising to me, also the stuff about postioning looks much more improved over fifa 21. I don't want to keep my hopes too high but I really like what I see until now, that carrer mode stuff could keep me playing through the year. can't remember when was last time I was this much eager to play football game.
 
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Inside the match that will change FIFA forever​

Under the floodlights of Seville’s 60,000-seater La Cartuja stadium, two Andalusian sides take to the pitch for the latest chapter in their fierce local rivalry. It’s perhaps the biggest game of their lives – and it soon shows. Moments after kick-off, crunching slide tackles fly in and opposing players barge each other for the ball. One late challenge lights the touch paper and both teams square up to one another, arms outstretched, chests puffed up as they wave imaginary yellow cards at the referee.

As the fouls tally up, so do the goals. Atlético Sanluqueño go 3-1 up. In the second half, CD Gerena, chasing the comeback, abandon their patient, possession-based play. Pacy wingers and powerful forwards are subbed on, long balls are cannoned into the box, wave after wave of attack is repelled by heroic leaps from Sanluqueño’s centre-backs. But there’s only so much that the backs-to-wall defending can absorb; Gerena pull a goal back.
With minutes remaining, and desperation sapping already weary legs and minds, Sanluqueño launch a devastating breakaway – they win 4-2. As the players wheel away in celebration, the Gerena team slump down on their haunches. Some shake their heads, others look to the heavens. They know how much this match means – it will go down in history as one of the most influential 90 minutes of football ever played. Yet it won’t ever be found in the record books.

For rather than club colours, each side is sporting Xsens motion capture suits. On the touchline, crews are hunching over laptops. Short-range signalling devices, tracking players’ motion to the millimetre, sit in the stands alongside production staff studying tablets displaying live metrics. Thousands of miles away, an animation director is carefully watching proceedings unfold on Zoom. But this isn’t the work of a space age scouting team, nor the latest coaching innovation.

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These are the makers of FIFA 22. For the first time, EA motion-captured a live 90-minute football match, tracking players’ movements to a granular level which could then be added to its animation database. The gaming publisher looked for the big details down to the minutiae: from how a full-back strikes the ball with their laces, to how a playmaker instinctively glances over their shoulder before receiving a pass. “Ultimately, realism equals a better game,” says Gareth Eaves, senior animation director at EA who led the session remotely. “We wanted to do it for years but the technology just hadn’t been there.”


Typically, EA uses optical capture, actors and the odd superstar footballer, like Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi, to write new animations. But it involves a small space with one or two players at a time – making it hard to attack the ball at pace or ping passes from one wing to the other. Restricted passages of motion-captured play, like keepie-uppies or one-on-one dribbles, have to be adapted by FIFA animators into free-flowing movements which ape eleven-a-side matches.

But now, the cameras have been ditched. The motion capture stage has been abandoned. Only the Xsens suits remain. “One of the problems had been drift – we’d know where players’ joints were in relation to each other, but not relative to a point in space,” Eaves explains. In virtual terms, it meant players running around would return ten metres away from their starting spot. EA’s game changer has been a local positioning system. Rather than GPS satellites, LPS beacons were dotted around the stadium, with motion sensors strapped to players’ chests.


It meant high-quality data could finally be captured in a real football match. “We picked these two teams from Spain’s third tier because they have an historic rivalry,” Eaves says. “They’re both well-coached, professional sides with amazing technique. They play possession-based football with control and finesse – great for a video game because we want it to be fast and fun.”

EA’s direction was minimal beyond briefing the players and coaching staff that it was a “must-win match.” Not that the game needed an extra edge. “Just like in a real game, players were subbed on and off, we could capture tired defenders and fresh forwards as the game opened up," recalls Eaves. "You could feel the animosity. There were so many fouls in the first five minutes – it was exactly what we wanted.”

Those off-the-ball movements – shouting, pointing, posturing – were priceless for EA in capturing the physicality and intensity of a real-life game. “If a stuntman slide tackles someone in a motion capture space they pop back up, it doesn’t match the aggression of a real challenge,” explains Eaves. “In this game, the physicality is real. The player gets up and is angry, we take all of that intensity and put it in our game.”

It was only by capturing 22 players over 90 minutes that EA could generate enough animation, 8.75 million frames, to power its new ‘HyperMotion’ technology. Machine learning then kicks in. “Previously, when a player approaches the ball to perform the next action – a shot, pass or dribble – we’ve picked an animation from our database,” Eaves explains. “But it doesn’t know the context. All this data trains the network and helps blend animations.”

But how could the strive for realism impact a game which, ultimately, compresses 90 minutes of professional football into ten minutes or so of gameplay? “It’s a positive,” says FIFA YouTuber and streamer Chris Wood, aka Chesnoid Gaming. “The whole idea of sport video games is to replicate what you see in real life every weekend. So it brings the game to life even more. Rather than five-minute halves of a video game, it becomes closer to five-minute halves of a real football match.”

The aim is that the dashes, feints and micro-movements captured in southern Spain will help inform how some of the best players in the world move in FIFA 22. Take, for example, Mo Salah: the nuances as he traps the ball, the delicate touches as he accelerates, skips past lunging defenders, bears down on goal and slots it home.


Their movements were immortalised that night. They'll soon be experienced by upwards of 30 million gamers worldwide. It’s why it mattered so much to both sides. “One of the goalkeepers faced a hard shot right at him and the ball slipped through his fingers,” remembers Eaves. “He was absolutely devastated – the emotion was real. I couldn’t help but think he probably didn’t want us to put that animation in the game.”

Source: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/fifa-22-hypermotion
 
Mathgamer said:

Inside the match that will change FIFA forever​

Under the floodlights of Seville’s 60,000-seater La Cartuja stadium, two Andalusian sides take to the pitch for the latest chapter in their fierce local rivalry. It’s perhaps the biggest game of their lives – and it soon shows. Moments after kick-off, crunching slide tackles fly in and opposing players barge each other for the ball. One late challenge lights the touch paper and both teams square up to one another, arms outstretched, chests puffed up as they wave imaginary yellow cards at the referee.

As the fouls tally up, so do the goals. Atlético Sanluqueño go 3-1 up. In the second half, CD Gerena, chasing the comeback, abandon their patient, possession-based play. Pacy wingers and powerful forwards are subbed on, long balls are cannoned into the box, wave after wave of attack is repelled by heroic leaps from Sanluqueño’s centre-backs. But there’s only so much that the backs-to-wall defending can absorb; Gerena pull a goal back.
With minutes remaining, and desperation sapping already weary legs and minds, Sanluqueño launch a devastating breakaway – they win 4-2. As the players wheel away in celebration, the Gerena team slump down on their haunches. Some shake their heads, others look to the heavens. They know how much this match means – it will go down in history as one of the most influential 90 minutes of football ever played. Yet it won’t ever be found in the record books.

For rather than club colours, each side is sporting Xsens motion capture suits. On the touchline, crews are hunching over laptops. Short-range signalling devices, tracking players’ motion to the millimetre, sit in the stands alongside production staff studying tablets displaying live metrics. Thousands of miles away, an animation director is carefully watching proceedings unfold on Zoom. But this isn’t the work of a space age scouting team, nor the latest coaching innovation.

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These are the makers of FIFA 22. For the first time, EA motion-captured a live 90-minute football match, tracking players’ movements to a granular level which could then be added to its animation database. The gaming publisher looked for the big details down to the minutiae: from how a full-back strikes the ball with their laces, to how a playmaker instinctively glances over their shoulder before receiving a pass. “Ultimately, realism equals a better game,” says Gareth Eaves, senior animation director at EA who led the session remotely. “We wanted to do it for years but the technology just hadn’t been there.”


Typically, EA uses optical capture, actors and the odd superstar footballer, like Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi, to write new animations. But it involves a small space with one or two players at a time – making it hard to attack the ball at pace or ping passes from one wing to the other. Restricted passages of motion-captured play, like keepie-uppies or one-on-one dribbles, have to be adapted by FIFA animators into free-flowing movements which ape eleven-a-side matches.

But now, the cameras have been ditched. The motion capture stage has been abandoned. Only the Xsens suits remain. “One of the problems had been drift – we’d know where players’ joints were in relation to each other, but not relative to a point in space,” Eaves explains. In virtual terms, it meant players running around would return ten metres away from their starting spot. EA’s game changer has been a local positioning system. Rather than GPS satellites, LPS beacons were dotted around the stadium, with motion sensors strapped to players’ chests.


It meant high-quality data could finally be captured in a real football match. “We picked these two teams from Spain’s third tier because they have an historic rivalry,” Eaves says. “They’re both well-coached, professional sides with amazing technique. They play possession-based football with control and finesse – great for a video game because we want it to be fast and fun.”

EA’s direction was minimal beyond briefing the players and coaching staff that it was a “must-win match.” Not that the game needed an extra edge. “Just like in a real game, players were subbed on and off, we could capture tired defenders and fresh forwards as the game opened up," recalls Eaves. "You could feel the animosity. There were so many fouls in the first five minutes – it was exactly what we wanted.”

Those off-the-ball movements – shouting, pointing, posturing – were priceless for EA in capturing the physicality and intensity of a real-life game. “If a stuntman slide tackles someone in a motion capture space they pop back up, it doesn’t match the aggression of a real challenge,” explains Eaves. “In this game, the physicality is real. The player gets up and is angry, we take all of that intensity and put it in our game.”

It was only by capturing 22 players over 90 minutes that EA could generate enough animation, 8.75 million frames, to power its new ‘HyperMotion’ technology. Machine learning then kicks in. “Previously, when a player approaches the ball to perform the next action – a shot, pass or dribble – we’ve picked an animation from our database,” Eaves explains. “But it doesn’t know the context. All this data trains the network and helps blend animations.”

But how could the strive for realism impact a game which, ultimately, compresses 90 minutes of professional football into ten minutes or so of gameplay? “It’s a positive,” says FIFA YouTuber and streamer Chris Wood, aka Chesnoid Gaming. “The whole idea of sport video games is to replicate what you see in real life every weekend. So it brings the game to life even more. Rather than five-minute halves of a video game, it becomes closer to five-minute halves of a real football match.”

The aim is that the dashes, feints and micro-movements captured in southern Spain will help inform how some of the best players in the world move in FIFA 22. Take, for example, Mo Salah: the nuances as he traps the ball, the delicate touches as he accelerates, skips past lunging defenders, bears down on goal and slots it home.


Their movements were immortalised that night. They'll soon be experienced by upwards of 30 million gamers worldwide. It’s why it mattered so much to both sides. “One of the goalkeepers faced a hard shot right at him and the ball slipped through his fingers,” remembers Eaves. “He was absolutely devastated – the emotion was real. I couldn’t help but think he probably didn’t want us to put that animation in the game.”

Source: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/fifa-22-hypermotion
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i want that but it reads to good to be true, isnt it!? :THINK:
 
Mathgamer said:
EA’s direction was minimal beyond briefing the players and coaching staff that it was a "must-win match". Not that the game needed an extra edge, "There were so many fouls in the first five minutes – it was exactly what we wanted".
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Heard a rumour that due to a glitch in the matrix, all motion capture data related to fouls was lost and there won't be any in the full game vs the AI.

(But since the private beta is underway, feel free to confirm or deny that rumour). 😅
 
From this FIFA Infinity article:

"There is only one way to be assured a FIFA 22 Closed Beta code and that is if you are a certified FIFA Ultimate Team Champions player. In other words, you managed to accomplish at least 26 wins during a single Weekend League competition in FIFA 21. These gamers will be sent codes first, if not yet already."

Well doesn't that just explain everything about why the gameplay turns to shit from beta to release, every single year?
 
Chris Davies said:
From this FIFA Infinity article:

"There is only one way to be assured a FIFA 22 Closed Beta code and that is if you are a certified FIFA Ultimate Team Champions player. In other words, you managed to accomplish at least 26 wins during a single Weekend League competition in FIFA 21. These gamers will be sent codes first, if not yet already."

Well doesn't that just explain everything about why the gameplay turns to shit from beta to release, every single year?
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Me too 😅
 
Mathgamer said:

Inside the match that will change FIFA forever​

Under the floodlights of Seville’s 60,000-seater La Cartuja stadium, two Andalusian sides take to the pitch for the latest chapter in their fierce local rivalry. It’s perhaps the biggest game of their lives – and it soon shows. Moments after kick-off, crunching slide tackles fly in and opposing players barge each other for the ball. One late challenge lights the touch paper and both teams square up to one another, arms outstretched, chests puffed up as they wave imaginary yellow cards at the referee.

As the fouls tally up, so do the goals. Atlético Sanluqueño go 3-1 up. In the second half, CD Gerena, chasing the comeback, abandon their patient, possession-based play. Pacy wingers and powerful forwards are subbed on, long balls are cannoned into the box, wave after wave of attack is repelled by heroic leaps from Sanluqueño’s centre-backs. But there’s only so much that the backs-to-wall defending can absorb; Gerena pull a goal back.
With minutes remaining, and desperation sapping already weary legs and minds, Sanluqueño launch a devastating breakaway – they win 4-2. As the players wheel away in celebration, the Gerena team slump down on their haunches. Some shake their heads, others look to the heavens. They know how much this match means – it will go down in history as one of the most influential 90 minutes of football ever played. Yet it won’t ever be found in the record books.

For rather than club colours, each side is sporting Xsens motion capture suits. On the touchline, crews are hunching over laptops. Short-range signalling devices, tracking players’ motion to the millimetre, sit in the stands alongside production staff studying tablets displaying live metrics. Thousands of miles away, an animation director is carefully watching proceedings unfold on Zoom. But this isn’t the work of a space age scouting team, nor the latest coaching innovation.

View attachment 114387

These are the makers of FIFA 22. For the first time, EA motion-captured a live 90-minute football match, tracking players’ movements to a granular level which could then be added to its animation database. The gaming publisher looked for the big details down to the minutiae: from how a full-back strikes the ball with their laces, to how a playmaker instinctively glances over their shoulder before receiving a pass. “Ultimately, realism equals a better game,” says Gareth Eaves, senior animation director at EA who led the session remotely. “We wanted to do it for years but the technology just hadn’t been there.”


Typically, EA uses optical capture, actors and the odd superstar footballer, like Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi, to write new animations. But it involves a small space with one or two players at a time – making it hard to attack the ball at pace or ping passes from one wing to the other. Restricted passages of motion-captured play, like keepie-uppies or one-on-one dribbles, have to be adapted by FIFA animators into free-flowing movements which ape eleven-a-side matches.

But now, the cameras have been ditched. The motion capture stage has been abandoned. Only the Xsens suits remain. “One of the problems had been drift – we’d know where players’ joints were in relation to each other, but not relative to a point in space,” Eaves explains. In virtual terms, it meant players running around would return ten metres away from their starting spot. EA’s game changer has been a local positioning system. Rather than GPS satellites, LPS beacons were dotted around the stadium, with motion sensors strapped to players’ chests.


It meant high-quality data could finally be captured in a real football match. “We picked these two teams from Spain’s third tier because they have an historic rivalry,” Eaves says. “They’re both well-coached, professional sides with amazing technique. They play possession-based football with control and finesse – great for a video game because we want it to be fast and fun.”

EA’s direction was minimal beyond briefing the players and coaching staff that it was a “must-win match.” Not that the game needed an extra edge. “Just like in a real game, players were subbed on and off, we could capture tired defenders and fresh forwards as the game opened up," recalls Eaves. "You could feel the animosity. There were so many fouls in the first five minutes – it was exactly what we wanted.”

Those off-the-ball movements – shouting, pointing, posturing – were priceless for EA in capturing the physicality and intensity of a real-life game. “If a stuntman slide tackles someone in a motion capture space they pop back up, it doesn’t match the aggression of a real challenge,” explains Eaves. “In this game, the physicality is real. The player gets up and is angry, we take all of that intensity and put it in our game.”

It was only by capturing 22 players over 90 minutes that EA could generate enough animation, 8.75 million frames, to power its new ‘HyperMotion’ technology. Machine learning then kicks in. “Previously, when a player approaches the ball to perform the next action – a shot, pass or dribble – we’ve picked an animation from our database,” Eaves explains. “But it doesn’t know the context. All this data trains the network and helps blend animations.”

But how could the strive for realism impact a game which, ultimately, compresses 90 minutes of professional football into ten minutes or so of gameplay? “It’s a positive,” says FIFA YouTuber and streamer Chris Wood, aka Chesnoid Gaming. “The whole idea of sport video games is to replicate what you see in real life every weekend. So it brings the game to life even more. Rather than five-minute halves of a video game, it becomes closer to five-minute halves of a real football match.”

The aim is that the dashes, feints and micro-movements captured in southern Spain will help inform how some of the best players in the world move in FIFA 22. Take, for example, Mo Salah: the nuances as he traps the ball, the delicate touches as he accelerates, skips past lunging defenders, bears down on goal and slots it home.


Their movements were immortalised that night. They'll soon be experienced by upwards of 30 million gamers worldwide. It’s why it mattered so much to both sides. “One of the goalkeepers faced a hard shot right at him and the ball slipped through his fingers,” remembers Eaves. “He was absolutely devastated – the emotion was real. I couldn’t help but think he probably didn’t want us to put that animation in the game.”

Source: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/fifa-22-hypermotion
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All this effort and this big words about realism and they'll just make midfielders and defenders cones if (when) that's the demand.

Sad
 
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Same thing as last year, they chose it that way and it will be that way until the end, not least because the UT community would talk "very automatic defense".

It's a design choice, not a bug 😕

As was the case last year, the Defensive Awareness Attribute continues to be the most important in determining the effectiveness of these behaviors.
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Mathgamer said:
Same thing as last year, they chose it that way and it will be that way until the end, not least because the UT community would talk "very automatic defense".

It's a design choice, not a bug 😕



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let`s see when we actually play the game. that hypermotion thing looks promising, even from the videos defence look completly different than fifa 21. we`ll see how midfielders will move but I am sure that can`t be bad as fifa 21. even in fifa 21 there are ways to make them stay on midfield, but they will not auto defence like in previous titles. that makes game more challenging, not better but rewarding when you master how to defend.
 
I love the sound of that HyperMotion stuff, in theory it really does sound brilliant, but then you see it in practice in the gameplay clips and players are still crab walking all over the place. One of the very things it seems perfect for solving and it doesn't... Look at the guy at the top near the half way line in the last 8 second clip posted.
 
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