Fifa 12 Career Mode Discussions

Placebo said:
Hmm well in my first CM Neymar didn't move anywhere but can't say for certain if I saw any non EU players move, will try to keep an eye out :)
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Wouldn't be at all surprised if this turns out to be true knowing EA!

Anyway I'd like to share a pretty decent bargain player I've found by the name of Abdou Razack Traore (http://sofifa.com/en/player/178323)

He is 22 years old, 71 OVR (grows to around 76/78) but with speedster and acrobat shields and available from Lechia Gdańsk for between £2M-£2.5M. One of those players that seems better than his overall rating, he's always been a beast for me this year playing on the right forward of a 4-3-3 cutting in on his left foot.
 
Junaid18 said:
Does anyone else suffer from over- adventurous full backs?! In my CM, Evra is always going forward (too much) and requires the left winger to slot in for him. Not sure if its to do with my sliders, since it seems excessive.
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Unfortunately, the subject of attacking fullback tactical/formation instructions in FIFA 12 is not simple nor brief. I can tell you that with a lot of trial and error, you can really get players at any position to play the way you want, although you still have to account for a player's personality.

What I've found, is that a lot of factors contribute to how/where your players go on the pitch. Their starting point is going to be where you put them in your formation. The space available to them depends on where you put other players in your formation... and where the other teams' players are in their formation. "Space available" is where I'd start to try and get your players to play the way you want.

The easiest way to get a FB to stop attacking so high is to put a teammate in front of him (and even better, wider than him). If Evra is at LB and you have an outside LWF high up the pitch, there's not going to be any space past the LWF for Evra to overlap into. If you play a LMF in front of Evra, especially one that cuts inside, there will occasionally be lots of space for Evra to bomb into, and considering his personality, he'll probably take it most of the time.

Sorry to be brief in my explanation, but I hope that helps.
 
And of course don't forget about your 'sliders' if you've tweaked them from the default.

There is a FB overlapping tendency which I for one for example have moved up to 55 from default 50 and means full-backs get a little more forward than usual. But of course at one point I had this at 60 and it was too much as my full-backs were running as far up as my strikers and getting caught out! same with AI's full-back, even ones who are more defensive.

So I would say the same thing others have said, except the FIRST place you should check is to see what your sliders are like, THEN if it's the default, look for why that's happening which may be due to tactics which you can change (Telling him to do it less for example or defend more) or individual personality which you can't and makes the game fun.

Keep in mind not only is there a particular slider for just Full-backs you can tweak, there's also 'Player/Team-mate Run Frequency' which also impacts how many forward runs ALL players make including the full-back. I have that set to 60 since the first day I got the game because I just didn't think players move into open spaces and make as many runs on their own as they should. You might have that same setting or 'higher' which maybe causing that.

Hope this helps.
 
PLF said:
And of course don't forget about your 'sliders' if you've tweaked them from the default.

There is a FB overlapping tendency which I for one for example have moved up to 55 from default 50 and means full-backs get a little more forward than usual. But of course at one point I had this at 60 and it was too much as my full-backs were running as far up as my strikers and getting caught out! same with AI's full-back, even ones who are more defensive.

So I would say the same thing others have said, except the FIRST place you should check is to see what your sliders are like, THEN if it's the default, look for why that's happening which may be due to tactics which you can change (Telling him to do it less for example or defend more) or individual personality which you can't and makes the game fun.

Keep in mind not only is there a particular slider for just Full-backs you can tweak, there's also 'Player/Team-mate Run Frequency' which also impacts how many forward runs ALL players make including the full-back. I have that set to 60 since the first day I got the game because I just didn't think players move into open spaces and make as many runs on their own as they should. You might have that same setting or 'higher' which maybe causing that.

Hope this helps.
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Agree.

Keep in mind that wingbacks don't seem to count as fullbacks in that slider setting, meaning that FBs will generally get much higher up the pitch than WBs if you adjust that slider.

But I'd still say start with formation first, because with identical sliders/tactics/arrows/players I've seen 2 completely different behaviors out of my FBs depending on seemingly minor tweaks in formations. If you change from a 4-3-3 (with wide/deep wingers) to a 4-2-3-1 (with a narrow-ish midfield LMF-AMF-RMF trio) you will suddenly see your FBs bombing into the open space down the sideline, when they wouldn't in the 4-3-3.

Just something to keep in mind.

And I actually like that it's sort of hard to get your players to do what you want... I like the trial and error of working it out. Sometimes the solution is a tactical one, other times I just need to get a player with different attributes. Sometimes I play someone out of position and discover how great they are at it. Sort of what being a manager is all about.
 
EatonTJ said:
Unfortunately, the subject of attacking fullback tactical/formation instructions in FIFA 12 is not simple nor brief. I can tell you that with a lot of trial and error, you can really get players at any position to play the way you want, although you still have to account for a player's personality.

What I've found, is that a lot of factors contribute to how/where your players go on the pitch. Their starting point is going to be where you put them in your formation. The space available to them depends on where you put other players in your formation... and where the other teams' players are in their formation. "Space available" is where I'd start to try and get your players to play the way you want.

The easiest way to get a FB to stop attacking so high is to put a teammate in front of him (and even better, wider than him). If Evra is at LB and you have an outside LWF high up the pitch, there's not going to be any space past the LWF for Evra to overlap into. If you play a LMF in front of Evra, especially one that cuts inside, there will occasionally be lots of space for Evra to bomb into, and considering his personality, he'll probably take it most of the time.

Sorry to be brief in my explanation, but I hope that helps.
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Thanks this helped alot!
 
PLF said:
And of course don't forget about your 'sliders' if you've tweaked them from the default.

There is a FB overlapping tendency which I for one for example have moved up to 55 from default 50 and means full-backs get a little more forward than usual. But of course at one point I had this at 60 and it was too much as my full-backs were running as far up as my strikers and getting caught out! same with AI's full-back, even ones who are more defensive.

So I would say the same thing others have said, except the FIRST place you should check is to see what your sliders are like, THEN if it's the default, look for why that's happening which may be due to tactics which you can change (Telling him to do it less for example or defend more) or individual personality which you can't and makes the game fun.

Keep in mind not only is there a particular slider for just Full-backs you can tweak, there's also 'Player/Team-mate Run Frequency' which also impacts how many forward runs ALL players make including the full-back. I have that set to 60 since the first day I got the game because I just didn't think players move into open spaces and make as many runs on their own as they should. You might have that same setting or 'higher' which maybe causing that.

Hope this helps.
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Great help! what is this slider called? or is it full back positioning?
 
It's full-back positioning and the higher it is, the higher up the field full-backs will push.

@Eaton, I agree about the trial and error and all of that being part of real 'management'. It's what makes it fun. :)

I also love the fact that sometimes, for some reason (Perhaps individual attributes perhaps form, etc.) You have a player who plays far better than he should given his ratings.

Best example of this is my right-back Cheick Gueye. The Senegalese defender is rated as 62 overall and one of the poorest even in my 2nd division squad! He was supposed to be a fringe player and at best provide cover at the back when needed because of injuries, etc. Nonetheless, he got his chance to impress on the first day of season by starting and since then he's never looked back! In fact at this point with only 5 games remaining till the season is over, he's along with my GK the player with most appearances this season and has featured in all but one and started 95% of the time.

Similarly I had one of my better CB's put in a few error-prone shifts so I put him on the bench the next game and put in a 21 year old RB who actually seems MUCH more suited to playing CB in my opinion. This kid is rated 61 and doesn't even seem to be growing much despite huge playing time, nonetheless, it doesn't even matter because he's been performing admirably and actually got himself a starting 11 spot much to the dismay of my 68 rated bigger/better (theoretically) French CB.

It's touches like this that make CM so fun and realistic.
 
PLF said:
It's touches like this that make CM so fun and realistic.
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It's very true! I definitely think this years CM is stable and solid enough that you can really reap the benefits if you get really involved with the intricacies of your team. Nothing like taking a chance on a promising youngster and seeing him take his chance with aplomb regardless of apparent inferior rating!

Anyway with the new squads out I decided to start a new CM with Hertha BSC for no real reason apart from that they are recently promoted side with the potential to be giants and have an awesome stadium (that looks beautiful in game) with a team featuring some promising youngsters.

My pre season has featured some crazy results including this hilarious tackle by my marauding right back - makes De Jong in the world cup final look positively tame!

YouTube - FIFA 12 violence
 
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Ouch!! Straight red-card and 5 match suspension!! :P

Hertha Berlin definitely is a very good choice. A struggling club from the capital that has potential to be much bigger! I like that idea.
 
PLF said:
Ouch!! Straight red-card and 5 match suspension!! :P

Hertha Berlin definitely is a very good choice. A struggling club from the capital that has potential to be much bigger! I like that idea.
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Thanks, I'm quite excited to get going after work today! Have to say the lighting in the Olympiastadion as you take a goal kick looking towards the monolith is stunning. This guy starting up front with strength sheild at 19 looks to be a total beast: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Michel_Lasogga

After investing in the youth academy I imagine I'll have around £8M to invest in the team. I play a 4-2-3-1 formation and would very much to buy a creative deep lying midfielder, who can also tackle, in the Xavi Alonso/Yohan Cabaye kind of mould..

any suggestions anyone?
 
With my new CM I've decided that I'm under instructions from the chairman that every £1 I spend has to be matched by £1 going into the academy, so I am basically trying to save up the £27m? To get 3x 5* scouts as quickly as possible! :) Even with 1* scouts now that I know what I'm doing with scouting I have a 14 year old Mexican keeper worth £1.6m and two other players worth £1.1m, not bad for only 5 months scouting from a League1 start :)
 
Placebo said:
With my new CM I've decided that I'm under instructions from the chairman that every £1 I spend has to be matched by £1 going into the academy, so I am basically trying to save up the £27m? To get 3x 5* scouts as quickly as possible! :) Even with 1* scouts now that I know what I'm doing with scouting I have a 14 year old Mexican keeper worth £1.6m and two other players worth £1.1m, not bad for only 5 months scouting from a League1 start :)
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Hey, no fair! :P

I have a 16 year old English striker who Martin Tyler has already dubbed the 'next Wayne Rooney' during a match, who's stats are now between a potential range of 85-94 (he's currently on 55), and who has a Europa League goal under his belt already, and he's only valued at £600,000!
 
PLF said:
Have you seen Lasogga play in real life? He's pretty good and has the eye in Bundesliga this year!
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I haven't but I was reading about him earlier and he has a pretty impressive goalscoring tally!

Had a play with Hertha BSC but actually found it a tad too easy (they have quite a decent squad) even on full manual/world class. Now that there are no new updates to wait for I want a really long, challenging career so am contemplating actually starting afresh with F.C. Hansa Rostock in the second German tier.

Just read that "A study published in 2007 by Sportfive reported Hansa's fanbase to be the seventh largest in Germany, involving up to two million supporters" so theres definitely potential to turn the club into a giant over 15 years!

Enjoyed a previous CM I did with Dynamo Dresden so off to Rostock I go!
 
Maybe keep playing as Hertha but move up to Legendary?

Yeah I've seen Lasogga play a few times this year in Bundi and he's quite impressive. He's a dangerous forward who can hurt you in a number of ways and he's still very young.

I'm doing Dynamo Dresden right now. :)

p.s. If you want a really long challenging career, why not start in England in League 1 or League 2 or something? Just a thought.
 
I don't like to manage in England because there are so many retarded transfers this year I like to manage in abroad and then I don't have to be as aware when Man City buy Wilshere, Vermaelen and Sagna two days into my manager mode. Plus I just think other leagues are a bit more colourful and interesting than slugging it out in league 1 and playing at 'town park' over and over again!

Whenever I go up to legendary I come running straight back, just seems like world class and manual is a really nice level for me!

Dreseden - awesome, how far in are you and how are you doing? Had a little recce with Hansa and I think I'm gonna go for it, their squad is pretty bare bones and terrible with very little money so it will be a real challenge...
 
jamxo said:
It's very true! I definitely think this years CM is stable and solid enough that you can really reap the benefits if you get really involved with the intricacies of your team. Nothing like taking a chance on a promising youngster and seeing him take his chance with aplomb regardless of apparent inferior rating!

Anyway with the new squads out I decided to start a new CM with Hertha BSC for no real reason apart from that they are recently promoted side with the potential to be giants and have an awesome stadium (that looks beautiful in game) with a team featuring some promising youngsters.

My pre season has featured some crazy results including this hilarious tackle by my marauding right back - makes De Jong in the world cup final look positively tame!

YouTube - FIFA 12 violence
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lol I think he killed him!! Looks like flying shin to the face. Must be Muay Thai 4 star martial arts skil move.
 
Whats with scouting youngetsrs then moving clubs as a manager do all your scouted youth players and scouts remain at your old club or move with you?

What about your virtual pro does he mve clubs also I guees?
 
The scouted players and the youth squad remain with the club of course as they should. You may have discovered them as the manager, but they're on the club's books and part of their staff, so if you move they don't move with you and they shouldn't.

@jamxo, I see.

Hansa should be a good challenge. Nice team from Eastern Germany who's played Bundesliga football as little as 4 years ago but now find themselves among the very worst in the 2nd division!

In my current Dynamo Dresden CM which I'm now 2 games from finishing 1st season of, I've topped the league and have already been named Champions and promoted to Bundi while Hansa are rock bottom with only 2 wins from 32 matches so far! We were both supposed to finish around the same places. What a huge difference!

Next year will be a HUGE challenge for me in Bundesliga as the club has no money, and the best players in my squad that were a big part us unexpectedly gaining promotion were 'on loan' players who'll go back to parent clubs such as Zlatko Dedic, Mortiz Leitner, Marvin Knoll and Magaye Gueye.

I'd do well to avoid relegation next year!
 
PLF said:
I'd do well to avoid relegation next year!
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Well I wish you luck - keep us updated! Moritz Leitner is a legend, I think I've had him on every CM so far - great dribbling skills!

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So I went with Hansa Rostok and realised what I was in for straight away when given a little over £1M to spend and a league prediction of 18th!

Invested my starting budget into a 3*/3* scout and ordered him to look locally for 9 months for any type of player that catches the eye.

By selling off the deadwood in my squad I was able to raise a further £1.5M which was spent on the following transfers:

Loans
CAM - Moritz Leitner (http://sofifa.com/en/player/200857)
CM - Miguel Gonzalez (http://sofifa.com/en/player/178189)
RB - Joe Riley (http://sofifa.com/en/player/203048)

Transfers
ST - Patrick Burger (http://sofifa.com/en/player/168583) - 550K
CM - Adigun Salami (http://sofifa.com/en/player/179643) - 400K
CB - Marvell Wynee (http://sofifa.com/en/player/176240) - 450K

I'm playing a 3-4-2-1 Napoli-esque counter attacking formation which has been very effective so far! After losing my first game of the season 2-0 away to recently relagated St. Pauli (fair enough) I have racked up 3 straight wins with my new signings impressing! Currently in 3rd position although obviously it's early days!

P.s. My one promising youngster, a 19 year old defensive midfielder called Kevin Pannewitz (potential of ~76) suffered a broken fibula in training!
 
ive only ever played 442 i wonder what other formations are like.

Every time I went to a back 3 I got beat. I tried a 433 a few times but I prefer to have 2 stirkers in the middle.
 
StayingPower said:
Personally I can't play without a holding mid. 3-4-3 has been excellent for me. You could try a 4-3-1-2 with no wingers?
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yeh i might do that as for me wide players have been pretty useless. I never seem to make them effective all my attacks seem to come thorugh the middle or the forwards cutting in from slightly wide. But most ofen I dotn use my wide players.

What you all think about a back 3 versus a back 4 or even a back 5?

Ive never tried back 5 thats pretty defensive unless attacking wing backs?
 
I love three at the back, it really seems to work in this game. I don't even play with wingbacks. My formation has a DM, two defensive CMs, an AM, and a front three.

Also, I can't imagine playing without those wing forwards. In my Everton CM Drenthe has about 7 or 8 assists in the first 8 games. A speedy winger is deadly if you play a counter attacking strategy.
 
StayingPower said:
I love three at the back, it really seems to work in this game. I don't even play with wingbacks. My formation has a DM, two defensive CMs, an AM, and a front three.

Also, I can't imagine playing without those wing forwards. In my Everton CM Drenthe has about 7 or 8 assists in the first 8 games. A speedy winger is deadly if you play a counter attacking strategy.
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Speedy winger attackers certainly are more useful than wide mifeilers.

I often play with porto online and they are 3-4-3 or 4-3-3?

I think I will try 3-4-3 out and play like 1 defensive mid, 1 attacking mid and then 2 central midfilers.

Or I may try 4-3-3 with 3 central midfilders, 1 set to be desfensive, 1 set to be attacking 1 normal.

Or finally i will test out 4-3-1-2. 1 attacking mid, 1 defesive mid, 2 central mids and 2 forwards.
 
I guess most people name themselves in their CM? Personally I don't as I find it a bit silly to keep saying my name as manager of the club, so I always use the real manager's name, which works great except when he's sacked out of the blue as he was last night! So I have to start a new CM now, once the new manager is named :)
 
Lol dont take it too serious buddy!

Plus I like to think of myself as a real life manager. This is my chance! :D

So yeah I name it after myself.
 
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