Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

I still find it almost impossible to score against the CPU. What i'm missing most is that you can't beat a defender with a fast player and win some space. Most of the time even if you beat him there will be a second one right in front of you. Sometimes it feels like you are playing against 13 and not 11.

Speed Advantage is deadly in the real Game but in FIFA it is not. Look at my Avatar. These two guys are lightning fast and i see week in and week out (unfortunately not this season because both are missing due to injury) how they beat players with both speed an technique. In FIFA11 you may beat one defender with speed (not with trickstick just with speed advantage) but in no way you get the space to beat a next one except you are on a rare counter attack).

I think they make scoring way to difficult playing against the CPU / AI. Almost every game feels like you are playing against super brilliant defenders and defending. Almost every game end with sky high ball possession and very few shots on goal.

Maybe it is my playing style but i can't enjoy this game at the moment. With a little bit more space it would be miles better. Maybe EA should call it "We are everywhere" instead of "We are eleven".

Trouble with Fifa 11 is im automatically still trying to play it like Fifa 10 and you cant. Fifa 10 was such an end to end speed fest. You try playing like that in this and you just get the ball taken off you.
 
I don't think this is my problem. I can hold the ball (usually 65-70 possession every game) and i play it with patience. It is just that i can't beat a defender 1one1 and win some space. If i beat him the next one is there in a second. There are always 8-9 defenders around the box and it seems they never loose position. The help defense is unbelievable fast and you always fight against at least two defenders as soon as you are in their half.

I feel i'm playing against a wall of defenders in every fucking game against any opponent (remember i'm talking about playing against CPU not against mates in Multiplayer. It is a different game then).
 
quick question i always wondered but never asked (and never played the game to that stage)

if you get promoted from the championship to the premier league, do your kit badges and backnumbers change or not? that's something konami is doing for years now and i can't recall seeing in FIFA (different badges for different leagues etc.)

instead of beating you heads in you could have just tried and answered my question guys :SMUG::COOL:
 
I still find it almost impossible to score against the CPU. What i'm missing most is that you can't beat a defender with a fast player and win some space. Most of the time even if you beat him there will be a second one right in front of you. Sometimes it feels like you are playing against 13 and not 11.

Speed Advantage is deadly in the real Game but in FIFA it is not. Look at my Avatar. These two guys are lightning fast and i see week in and week out (unfortunately not this season because both are missing due to injury) how they beat players with both speed an technique. In FIFA11 you may beat one defender with speed (not with trickstick just with speed advantage) but in no way you get the space to beat a next one except you are on a rare counter attack).

I think they make scoring way to difficult playing against the CPU / AI. Almost every game feels like you are playing against super brilliant defenders and defending. Almost every game end with sky high ball possession and very few shots on goal.

Maybe it is my playing style but i can't enjoy this game at the moment. With a little bit more space it would be miles better. Maybe EA should call it "We are everywhere" instead of "We are eleven".

This exactly how I'm finding it. 5 games last night and I didn't score once. If I drop the difficulty then the AI are just too pants and it's boring.
 
I don't think this is my problem. I can hold the ball (usually 65-70 possession every game) and i play it with patience. It is just that i can't beat a defender 1one1 and win some space. If i beat him the next one is there in a second. There are always 8-9 defenders around the box and it seems they never loose position. The help defense is unbelievable fast and you always fight against at least two defenders as soon as you are in their half.

I feel i'm playing against a wall of defenders in every fucking game against any opponent (remember i'm talking about playing against CPU not against mates in Multiplayer. It is a different game then).

And don't forget to add that when they win possession, they can play perfectly up the pitch, their strikers are normally unmarked and your team is absolutely unable to defend the same way your opponent does, no matter the teams. So, your teammate AI is, again, in a lower level than your opponent.

As CPU only goes forward, at the end, it's so predictable to play possession attacks, because when you end up your possession, no matter what, CPU is always able to create a counter. If the CPU has 9 players in the box, the clearances and loose balls should favor my team. Their lonely attackers should be close markeb by my 3 defenders and shouldn't let him mount the break most of the times. As it is right now, there's no penalization for the CPU for putting all the team behind the ball. THAT is the tactical flaw of the game that annoys me the most. You end up playnig the same match over and over and over.
 
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Yes, it is so drekkard. Really you are exactly right and it is so annoying. It almost make me scream every time they make this perfect clearance right to the feet of the one and only striker with my defenders standing around and talking about the weather. It is predictable and it is boring because you see it a million times before. You know what's coming.

You know it is just laziness. I shouldn't be a problem for them; just make clearance random. That is all. But if they do so how will this AI score against human? They give them every advantage that is possible (clearance, response time, refs etc) just to make them score. But that is just the lazy way of doing it. Put some more effort into a AI that can play this game. Let them just play football.

Right now i'm disappointed. This game is really good against mates. But against CPU it is really, boring. It is exhausting, unsatisfying and boring.

Maybe i need some more time an maybe i need to change my style of playing this game. But at this moment i don't think it will be a lot of fun.
 
I don't think this is my problem. I can hold the ball (usually 65-70 possession every game) and i play it with patience. It is just that i can't beat a defender 1one1 and win some space. If i beat him the next one is there in a second. There are always 8-9 defenders around the box and it seems they never loose position. The help defense is unbelievable fast and you always fight against at least two defenders as soon as you are in their half.

I feel i'm playing against a wall of defenders in every fucking game against any opponent (remember i'm talking about playing against CPU not against mates in Multiplayer. It is a different game then).


Again, ditto. I don't think the balance is quite right. I too have lots of possession. I'm yet to score 3 goals in a match and I've only got a brace 2 maybe 3 times. I'm playing world class 8 min halves. But ai on professional is dire.

Those who have adjusted custom tactics and changed teams shooting frequency, can you notice a difference. Still not seen the AI score a long ranger against me.
 
Just wanted to report a couple of things I am seeing :))

I had a game against spurs the other day and saw one of the best goals the CPU has ever scored against me. It was very similar to the Bergkamp goal (against leicester i think? classed as his best ever goal...arguably). Long cross into the far post Modric controled it in one go with one foot, knocked it away from the defender with the other and then place a shot into the corner.

It really was a lovely goal.

I am finding the faster players have been done ok. It is hard to get past people, but when you do, you need to use the knock on to gain a bit of speed and to get away from them. Unlike Fifa 10 when you could just hold down sprint. It makes it harder which I think is a great thing, but fast players still have their strength in speed.

Also with the dribbling, it is very hard and difficult to get past players. I have never been great at dribbling in footy games, but I have been trying to get better. If you use the right players and practice, you can pull of some nice moves and get through players and defences. These are few and far between in a single match, but I think that is true to real life aswell. Even the most skillful players don't skin people everytime they attempt to take somebody on. I think it would probably be around 60% of the time they will succeed (just a guess :)) ) fifa reduces this percentage, but i feel if you practice alot, you can get the success rate up.

Also with players control. I have seen lots of instances when I play with rubbish teams or players where they miscontrol it etc. I think more can be done, but not every player can control it perfectly, like I have heard been mentioned?

So I really think that it is hard to call one game a sim and the other less of a sim etc. Because people have different ideas of what a sim is, or how a game plays.

I think this years Fifa is hard, I play on World class. Things aren't easy and when you do pull off a nice dribble and get through a couple of players you feel more rewarded. When you score a long range shot on manual it feels great (even though alot of Pes people say you can't get that feeling on Fifa, which I totally disagree with).

It's very weird as I can understand what people are talking about with some things. But with other complaints it is like I am playing another game.

The only thing that is silly is the passing with lower teams. They have put in a system where their passes are soft, this is ridiculous. But hopefully they patch this and sort it out.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts :))
 
I don't think this is my problem. I can hold the ball (usually 65-70 possession every game) and i play it with patience. It is just that i can't beat a defender 1one1 and win some space. If i beat him the next one is there in a second. There are always 8-9 defenders around the box and it seems they never loose position. The help defense is unbelievable fast and you always fight against at least two defenders as soon as you are in their half.

I feel i'm playing against a wall of defenders in every fucking game against any opponent (remember i'm talking about playing against CPU not against mates in Multiplayer. It is a different game then).

Tried adjusting tactics?

I feel the defence is like Fifa 08 - i enjoyed trying to break teams down in that.
 
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I play world class and 10 minutes halves, so we are brothers in crime it seems. It is nice to know that i'm not the only one who is desperately trying to score.

Not sure how long i can stand this game. At the end gaming is all about fun.
 
Its strange i find the cpu plays a lot of mis cleared passes against me and when they are hacking it away when ihave them under pressure its usually out of play or into my empty half and picked up by my defenders. Thats on professional though, 4 minute halves and full manual with custom tactics sorted for different teams.
 
I'm in the same boat too and also in my 2vAI CM, it's so hard to break teams down and the fact EA seem to have given in completely to the whiners online who just want every player to have the same pace is forcing every team to play like Arsenal and pass the ball around for 90 Min's, every game..
I have posted my comments to EA and will be down at their HQ at the end of the month to give my feedback...
 
Its strange i find the cpu plays a lot of mis cleared passes against me and when they are hacking it away when ihave them under pressure its usually out of play or into my empty half and picked up by my defenders. Thats on professional though, 4 minute halves and full manual with custom tactics sorted for different teams.

Yeah I noticed alot of clearances getting hoofed out of play aswell by the cpu. I play on world class.

I haven't really noticed the perfect clearance thing, where it goes straight to their strikers....but I haven't been looking out for it. I will pay more attention and see what I find out.
 
Tried adjusting tactics?

I feel the defence is like Fifa 08 - i enjoyed trying to break teams down in that.

I try to play different formations. 1 Striker, 5 midfielder, 4-4-2, yesterday i try a 4-3-3 but at the end i still struggle to find a good shot on goal. Only crosses an headers are working right now but that is not enough to have fun.
 
Yeah I noticed alot of clearances getting hoofed out of play aswell by the cpu. I play on world class.

I haven't really noticed the perfect clearance thing, where it goes straight to their strikers....but I haven't been looking out for it. I will pay more attention and see what I find out.

Please do it and count! how much time a clearance hit a teammate and how much time not. I really think it is ridiculous and it was the first thing that get on my nerves.
 
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I play world class and 10 minutes halves, so we are brothers in crime it seems. It is nice to know that i'm not the only one who is desperately trying to score.

Not sure how long i can stand this game. At the end gaming is all about fun.

OK to people struggling to score, heres a good tactic. Try keep an eye on your map for what you forwards do.

Then try and get it in to their feet/chest as early as you can. Not long ball as i do this from midfielders, so not back to front.

A tapped long ball into a striker that can hold it up brings all sorts of attention from the CM's CB's etc. The trick is to be able to hold onto posession long enough for your players to make runs.

If you just pass short then go back and forth from defence to midfield to defence, it'll never open them up, they keep their shape incredibly well.

It doesn't work every time but i notice when i mix the length of passing up to the forwards things start to happen.

Its a shame the pressure seems the same for nearly every team i've played. Also its a full pitch press. What happened to some forwards being lasy (Berba etc)?
 
I try to play different formations. 1 Striker, 5 midfielder, 4-4-2, yesterday i try a 4-3-3 but at the end i still struggle to find a good shot on goal. Only crosses an headers are working right now but that is not enough to have fun.

Im not sure how relevant this is but i played Oberhausen with Munich in three matches and found it extremely difficult to break them down. I lost 1-0, won 1-0 (with a Robben deflected free kick) and drew 0-0 with hardly any chances being created and that was using Robben and Muller on the flanks with Olic and klose up top.

But when i played them with Liverpool i had more success. i won 1-0 with a Torres header, but i created more openings using Cole and Gerrard and Torres. Torres particularly seemed a good tool to open up their backline with. maybe its a feature of personality plus? I had less impact with Robben and Klose than Cole and Torres.
 
But you should be able to break down Oberhausens (it is my hometown btw :) ) defense with Robben and Muller the same like you do it with Torres. Because there is a huge difference between the quality of Oberhausen players and Munich and Liverpool players. Of course it should be a little bit easier for you if you are familiar with controlling an knowing liverpool but in no way it should be so damn hard to do it with any other word class team.

I mean we are talking about a second Division team and a team that almost won the CL last year. Of Course on a good and bad day Oberhausen could survive and even make a sensational win but most of the time they will loose by 3-4 goals difference. In FIFA it seems they are always on the best day ever and that is the problem.
 
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But you should be able to break down Oberhausens (it is my hometown btw :) ) defense with Robben and Muller the same like you do it with Torres. Because there is a huge difference between the quality of Oberhausen players and Munich and Liverpool players. Of course it should be a little bit easier for you if you are familiar with controlling an knowing liverpool but in no way it should be so damn hard to do it with any other word class team.

I mean we are talking about a second Division team and a team that almost won the CL last year. Of Course on a good and bad day Oberhausen could survive and even make a sensational win but most of the time they will loose by 3-4 goals difference. I FIFA it seems they are always on there best day ever and that is the problem.

Ah but ive customised tactics so their team to be quite defensive, not open. Obviously i have lots of possesion as you would expect but they really stand tehir ground and make it difficult.

Not sure if thats how they play in real life mind.
 
Has anyone got any opinions on the game with and without the Patch ? anyone done any testing or such.

I deleted the cache last night and did some comparisons, I play on Slow, World Class, Passing Assist Off, Semi shooting & 7 min halves.

I found the game to be a LOT easier WITHOUT the patch installed.

It seemed a good bit slower.

CPU pressure was a LOT less, I could keep possession easier in all areas of the pitch.

I seemed to win the ball back without hardly trying, could just barge in and get it whenever I wanted more or less.

I seemed to have things all my own way more, just easier in general to get behind defence and score with things that were failing with the patched version.

I played as Arsenal in my VP Player career playing as the whole team and beat Everton 4-1 & wolves 4-0 before in my first 2 games without the patch, before that I was never scoring 2 in a game let alone 4 and as I say I was not overly trying just experimenting.

CPU seemed a lot less effective, I was defending easily and CPU were not worrying me or giving me any scares at all.

Animations for barging, collisions seemed different (for the worse, players magnetising to the ball and man) and in general it was easier for the Arsenal midgets to hang onto the ball, not get barged off it.

Noticed that down the wings I was given a lot more time and was not hurried as much to get a cross in.

I just found the game to be more tainted with freedom in how you play, but at the same time it was easier so the goals did not feel rewarding as they do in the post patch version where getting behind a defence takes real work.

The Arena is not as smooth in pre patch, it's like the framerate isnt as high as it is after the patch, things dont look and feel as silky smooth with your VP one on one with the goalie.

Anyway I think I prefer the PATCHED version at the moment, it has too much pressure and is too quick but it feels like a challenge and as the 1.0 version is nice in a lot of ways (Freedom, time on ball) it just feels easy and like I'm not having to work for my goals, almost like I can score at will and chances are much higher in the end game stats also.

I re installed the patch and played Wolves again with same team/settings and this time I went 1-0 up with goal from my VP in 5 mins and thought "Uh Oh whats going on here" but normality was resumed when the Arsenal defence slept on their marking and Wolves banged in 2 crosses and a corner to score 3 lovely headed goals before half time.

So 1-3 at HT to Wolves in the 2nd half I had to work my socks off and managed to pull one back with Walcott before my VP played a nice give and go with Fabregas and he split the defence and my VP scored his 2nd with a neat angled slot past the onrushing keeper.

3-3 and it went to ET and I threw the kitchen sink at them with subs and they were tired but still deadly at crosses and in the air, my VP got a 3rd (his firs Hat trick) and Chamakh put the game to bed with 115 mins played.

Final score 5-3 but I fought damn hard to claw it back from 1-3, So whilst the patched version is not perfect and I would gladly swap a few things over from 1.0 FIFA 11, it remains the best challenge of the 2 and I enjoy the work in scoring and the feeling of scoring in the PATCHED version.

Thanks for reading my long ramble guys, please share your own opinions if you have tried both without and without the Patch, or if not give it a try and see what YOU make of it.

cheers
 
re: PES animations... Klash, look at the Alonso shot at 1:54 in your video. The shot animation doesn't match the trajectory of the ball at all, the Japanese #4 does a gay little skip and headbutts a Spaniard in the shoulder, and the Japanese #5 does some strange little circular hop. I mean, we're nitpicking unimportant cosmetic stuff here now, but it is perhaps an example that highlights why some of us think some PES animations can look awkward and unnatural, not 'subtle and contextual'.

You mean the second Alonso goal? or the first, the first one could have had better animations yes but the second one was fine! In fact that first goal actually had one of those broken leg bugs :LOL:

As for the defender doing a 'gay' hop, that's actually very contextual, you remember that Martin Keown esque 'defender stick a leg out' animation in FIFA, the number 4 Tulio is trying to do that! But his moment going forward causes him to stumble forward off balance and crash into the Spanish player. He was trying to block the ball but was unbalanced. Pretty nice when you analyze it :)

As for the circular hop, i just think you didn't like that animation, it really dosen't bother me tat, maybe just looked ugly in your eyes. Like i said football is not pretty 100% of the time so its ok.
 
By far my biggest problem is that CPU does not SHOOT and pass around enough, even in world class. Every game turns out around 10-13 vs 3-5 shots at the end, even against big, equal teams like Chelsea. It seems like whenever their forwards have a defender positioned in front of them they REFUSE to do anything but do pointless dribbling in their 2-3 yard radius that leads nowhere for 3-5 seconds, before they pass it off to the side or back. They're not adventurous enough to shoot or pass forward if there is little room, basically... as if they're only ever looking for a perfect shooting opportunity. Pushing their shooting tendency in custom tactics up to 80-90 solves this, but I shouldn't have to, really... I feel that while it was a good idea that they made AI attempt dribbles more this year, they sort of overkilled it and killed AI creativity in passing/shooting department (the little that it ever had). I simply don't feel challenged when defending CPU attacks in WC. Sure, spiking it up to Legendary increases their shot total, but this is only because the aforementioned dribbling gets even more frequent and actually start to work in ridiculously getting by my defenders (Maurice Edu turns into a Messi, as an example), creating spaces ahead of them... it seems like that and counters are the only way they can ever create space to shoot, never by creative passing.
 
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Your right in the sense of this here what you have said observed from the demos yes :) . Even though i hate the physical play in FIFA with a passion, the fact it has 360 fight for possession etc.. compared when you played the PES demo and there was hardly any barging whatsoever (Too many fouls).

Nothing wrong about what you said there, In the full game (PES 2011) the fouls are reduced to bring out a new element of the physical play element! Just letting you know if you play the full PES game, you will see physical play, it's very good :) more concise! not a WWE match like in FIFA, but there are other who love that over the top physical play thing in fifa so it might come down to a matter of tastes!

BTW There's an issue which makes the professional AI so they aren't quite aggressive enough consistently aswell.

Should have said on that point that I don't necessarily think Fifa does holding off players better than PES (PES has always done this well) but I had to give kudos to Fifa for really sorting this out this year - this had always been one of my biggest problems with the game and they obviously did a lot of work on it.

Sorry Placebo you can wake up now, the thread will be about Fifa again, though I would contend that the decision this year for many Fifa players between this and PES is going to be a hard one, and the comparisons are relevant for some. Plus, while comparing the games you can also point out areas where Fifa can improve which is completely relevant. Just my opinion anyway, carry on :)
 
Im not sure how relevant this is but i played Oberhausen with Munich in three matches and found it extremely difficult to break them down. I lost 1-0, won 1-0 (with a Robben deflected free kick) and drew 0-0 with hardly any chances being created and that was using Robben and Muller on the flanks with Olic and klose up top.

But when i played them with Liverpool i had more success. i won 1-0 with a Torres header, but i created more openings using Cole and Gerrard and Torres. Torres particularly seemed a good tool to open up their backline with. maybe its a feature of personality plus? I had less impact with Robben and Klose than Cole and Torres.

I'd say it's probably because a pacey strong striker in the game is more effective than good wingers now - because with good wingers you have to use pace and change of direction to beat fullbacks which is all but impossible against the CPU now. Tackling for the most part is far too effective, and as Robbery said pace has been toned down to the point where teams like the one he mentioned don't get beat for pace by the likes of Robben as much as they should.
 
Playing with Lincoln City in the 4th division I'm having the same frustrations many of you have mentioned. Some say it's because the game is now more "sim" but I see it as just being hard, unrealistically so. The match results of almost everyone of my matches are the same: I dominate possession; have 80+ passing accuracy (on manual); my opponent has 2-3 shots; and I don't score. While I have the top ranked defense in the league at the moment, I have the worst offense.

The game is great but it's really out of whack, and the reasons others have already mentioned (slow passing, inability to dribble effectively, great CPU defenses, etc) are even worse in the 4th division of English football where my players can barely dribble and seem too weak to make a 10 yard pass at times!

This is not meant to start a flame war but one of the biggest reasons I enjoy PES is because it to me gets the overall balance right - most importantly, I score some goals, the CPU scores some goals. In FIFA defense is just too overpowered, whether it be the CPU defense against me or my defense against the CPU. If it was a simple problem of playing on too high a difficulty, that would be different, but I'm playing on WC mostly and CPU rarely scores on me as it is... my problem isn't that I'm losing games as much as I'm not winning any. And I'm not winning despite dominating the run of play.

Best thing I found was to push your midfield up and drop your strikers down, this closes the gap between them and allows your midfield to aid and join attacks faster...

How are you dropping your strikers down? Do you mean converting your LS/RS/ST --> LF/RF/CF?
 
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I am finding the faster players have been done ok. It is hard to get past people, but when you do, you need to use the knock on to gain a bit of speed and to get away from them. Unlike Fifa 10 when you could just hold down sprint. It makes it harder which I think is a great thing, but fast players still have their strength in speed.

Also with the dribbling, it is very hard and difficult to get past players. I have never been great at dribbling in footy games, but I have been trying to get better. If you use the right players and practice, you can pull of some nice moves and get through players and defences. These are few and far between in a single match, but I think that is true to real life aswell. Even the most skillful players don't skin people everytime they attempt to take somebody on. I think it would probably be around 60% of the time they will succeed (just a guess :)) ) fifa reduces this percentage, but i feel if you practice alot, you can get the success rate up.

Also with players control. I have seen lots of instances when I play with rubbish teams or players where they miscontrol it etc. I think more can be done, but not every player can control it perfectly, like I have heard been mentioned?

So I really think that it is hard to call one game a sim and the other less of a sim etc. Because people have different ideas of what a sim is, or how a game plays.

I think this years Fifa is hard, I play on World class. Things aren't easy and when you do pull off a nice dribble and get through a couple of players you feel more rewarded. When you score a long range shot on manual it feels great (even though alot of Pes people say you can't get that feeling on Fifa, which I totally disagree with).

It's very weird as I can understand what people are talking about with some things. But with other complaints it is like I am playing another game.

The only thing that is silly is the passing with lower teams. They have put in a system where their passes are soft, this is ridiculous. But hopefully they patch this and sort it out.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts :))

+1

My tips for the guys struggling:

- Use every player at their strength and use them in the correct matches. f.e. big striker up front to hold the ball for upcoming players or a good passing midfielder behind two fast and skillfull forwards, etc...find the weakness of your opponent (slow right back, small central defender, or even lure an aggressive player to foul you when you have a strict ref. Just like real life really.

- Keep off the run button and even off the left stick (or push slowly), this will give you more time on the ball because the CPU won't rush you so much

- Let the CPU run while you spray the ball around and bring fresh players in with full stamina bars in the second half. These really make a difference unlike previous FIFA's.

- If you're having trouble defending, stand off the CPU and don't bash the tackle button. The CPU will just leave you standing because they know you're coming, instead wait for the right time to try the tackle.

- If you find your CPU teammates not running into space enough, press L1 (PS3) to trigger their runs.
 
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Am I missing something - is it not possible for your VP to be a CF or LW/RW? I can only seem to get my guy to be a ST or LM/RM.

No biggee but just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
 
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