Fifa 11 Xbox 360/PS3

The problem is that if rushed attacks are still effective, which we so no evidence to contradict, nothing is solved. you can play slowly in FIFA 10, the problem is there is no point.

Passing still seems so fast, so crisp, so accurate. I think that's the bit I dislike most. Someone on the FIFA forums has postulated that for the Barca player, Pro Passing user componetent is off. AND IT IS.

"Oh look, here's probably our second biggest gameplay innovation. No we don't need our first substantial gameplay videos to show it off".

*face -> <- wall*

Having said that, even then, the RM player's passes are still just so crisp, so fast, and so accurate generally. Sometimes they'll have bad passes, admittedly, but usually it's dead on.
 
Everyone's overreacting to one vid again, jesus. If there are a bunch of others like that then I'll worry. TBH I'll only really care about the speed of the game when I play it for myself. Right now we're viewing vides off of screens that have been compressed and uploaded.

BTW This is why Rutter should be playing the game vs a staff memeber on stage. Only then will we get an idea of whether the defense has improved. Right now we have some guys who just wanna win or just wanna try new dribbles out etc.

Be A Keeper isn't my favourite mode but laughing at the mode for using the stick to time when you jump in either direction before actually playing the game is foolish. How do you know how hard it is to play in goal against those clinical strikers in FIFA11? And I remember Rutter mentioning you can play Assisted, Semi or full manual for keepers. I'm SURE that indicateds how much stick direction effects saves. So if you want to have full control and get owned on every shot online, then knock yourself out on manual. As it is now the show floor demo will have everything on fully assisted.

edit: if Pro Passing is off, then theres your reason for the fast speed and ping pong. you can turn it off for offline. EA should really lock the demo to ON. Sometimes they're so clueless. At the moment I have no clue of the settings so I'll wait before I jump to conclusions.
 
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gameklip said:
Everyone's overreacting to one vid again, jesus. If there are a bunch of others like that then I'll worry. TBH I'll only really care about the speed of the game when I play it for myself. Right now we're viewing vides off of screens that have been compressed and uploaded.

BTW This is why Rutter should be playing the game vs a staff memeber on stage. Only then will we get an idea of whether the defense has improved. Right now we have some guys who just wanna win or just wanna try new dribbles out etc.

Be A Keeper isn't my favourite mode but laughing at the mode for using the stick to time when you jump in either direction before actually playing the game is foolish. How do you know how hard it is to play in goal against those clinical strikers in FIFA11? And I remember Rutter mentioning you can play Assisted, Semi or full manual for keepers. I'm SURE that indicateds how much stick direction effects saves. So if you want to have full control and get owned on every shot online, then knock yourself out on manual. As it is now the show floor demo will have everything on fully assisted.

edit: if Pro Passing is off, then theres your reason for the fast speed and ping pong. you can turn it off for offline. EA should really lock the demo to ON. Sometimes they're so clueless. At the moment I have no clue of the settings so I'll wait before I jump to conclusions.
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Pro Passing being off for one player really isn't enough of a reason. Even with the one who has got it on is too good. Of course, this could be the realisation of one of the main fears about Personality+, that it makes good teams SO much better than everyone else. The passing in these videos is the primary issue, it's SO fast, it's like zap, zap, zap.
 
Somebody please, please Choob that slower vid. I want to see slow smudges!

One thing I will say is that the passing in PES 2011 is pretty accurate too. Actually the vids I've seen of that all look faster than it feels to play.
 
I dont think that italian clip is that much slower. when they pick up the ping pong it looks just as fast... its around 2:45 when it really shows.

Also 3:40 fullback for no reason plays a striker onside. Got to be number 1 annoyance from 10 still there.

Gameklip, last year i saw loads of things wrong with 10 in the videos before release and said that VPs in clubs would be a mess. ALL of those things were still there on release day and have been exploited and Clubs is a mess. Feedback from these videos maybe could make it in time for release...Waiting till you have the game in hand and being disappointed with your purchase is too late to give feedback.

It has so much potential (animations etc) but they are not making progress in the right direction. These videos do not show thr game they have been describing, or a game i want to play for a long time until they 'say' they'll sort things out for Fifa 12.

I'll be dead before EA sort speed + ping pong passing out.
 
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That other video does look better in tempo, however since it is not using that new camera angle it looks very similar to how I remember the WC game. I'll be playing with that new sexy angle for sure, made it look so much more realistic.
 
I'm seeing plenty of technical players getting brushed off the ball as they were leaves.
Too many perfect controls and passes.Really disappointed right now but it's my current mood.
 
Just looked at the clip again (Gamersyde) real madrid v barca has a lot of nippy players capable of fast and accurate passes and good running off the ball. This is not the best way to show off how slow and methodical your game is. Man Utd vs Chelsea would be better. Also if PP is off it's even faster and easier to find people with passes.

am i crazy for thinking that?

Edit: I don't know guys. there are a lot of variables. The second vid is a bit better but it's Barca v Chelsea and on a different cam. NEed some impression from the showfloor. If they're saying it's mad fast over there then EA are in for a world of hurt.

(i'm getting both games this year by the way so no fanboyism going on!)
edit2: in that 2nd vid the guy is selecting defenders and not moving with them. That's call being "bad at the game" and is nothing to do with the game itself.

Also I appreciate that many were burned by what happened with the game last year (bait n' switch) but you can hardly just the entire game off 1 or 2 vids from a showfloor demo. I'm struggling as it is and i'm a pretty good analyst when it comes to these things. One thing that does sadden me about the two vids is the lack of INITATIVE from the defense. The CPU needs to help you out by closing gaps with defenders that are rated to be good enough to do so but at times they just dawdle into position like braindead zombies.

Better get writing your posts for "improvements to FIFA12" then eh? lol This is a 90% done game.
 
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PP is off just for Barca in every video I've seen so far. The worry I have is that, OK, say this is just for teams like Barca, Real - then we're going to have an even worse form of the problem online that we have already. It's going to be almost unplayable not being these teams. They are SO much better.

The Barca player seems to consistently be an utter twat, he pressures constantly, and he's beign effective in doing so. He ping pongs, and he's being effective in doing so. Does it seem to affect his players by tiring them? Not even remotely. The whole problem is that although you can play more realistically - and the Chelsea player tends to, it's not as effective - and that is shown by the fact the Chelsea player is getting pasted in most of the videos.

There are plenty of positives in this video, some definite improvements in lots of areas - shots seem to be dipping so much more believably, for instance, but it won't matter if it's still most effective to be a Barca Abusing, pressure abusing, ping pong abusing, assisted abusing little whore.

I see quite literally no difference when it comes to stamina/pressuring really.
 
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True dat.

It is much slower paced than the other videos. Same shitty human players, though. It would actually be nice to see AI vs AI for a change, just to show off a little bit of that rather than rushed attacks and ping pong nothingness.
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much slower but does nothing positive to show anything has changed. the way that game was played doesnt resemble how the game is generally played.
 
adelante said:
Well we know there's gonna be at least this much :/

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You just know this will be posted next year in one of those look how far EA have come in just a year clips, I can't believe EA have this at the premier showcase event, it looks like a 90's game screen or is it just me?...
 
The pace in the gamersyde clip looked ok to me tbh. What I don't like from the vid is the lack of first touch again and how quick/easy all players move like there's no momentum. I hate that in Fifa. These things are fundamental.
 
Rodelero said:
PP is off just for Barca in every video I've seen so far. The worry I have is that, OK, say this is just for teams like Barca, Real - then we're going to have an even worse form of the problem online that we have already. It's going to be almost unplayable not being these teams. They are SO much better.

The Barca player seems to consistently be an utter twat, he pressures constantly, and he's beign effective in doing so. He ping pongs, and he's being effective in doing so. Does it seem to affect his players by tiring them? Not even remotely. The whole problem is that although you can play more realistically - and the Chelsea player tends to, it's not as effective - and that is shown by the fact the Chelsea player is getting pasted in most of the videos.
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As far as I can tell it's only off in the beginning, the PP mark is showing up the rest of the game for him too.

But since he seems to have changed the settings, maybe it's not to far off that he might have changed game speed to fast too.
 
The pressuring in this game looks as bad now as it did in 10, I literally can't tell the difference. EA's complete lack of guts to deal with this problem strikes again.
 
@ Nick,

Not to mention the fact that there would be murder if Liverpool win the league and they have a sodding BLUE RIBBON ON THE F*&ING TROPHY!!!

See, it's things like that which really make you wonder if they GET football.

As for the video's, putting them on full screen makes the tempo look better. However the speed with which Messi can turn with the ball when recieving a pass is ridiculous, you can barely see the animation its so fast.

If they really wanted to show od the game, they should have picked teams that have a good balance of skill and cloggers, Liverpool are one team, Bayern are probably another, Inter Milan, maybe Athletico. Barca especially are a team of very similar players.

You would, and something I'm expecting, is that P+ just doesn't come across in video's, in the same way it doesn't in PES.
 
Gab_ said:
As far as I can tell it's only off in the beginning, the PP mark is showing up the rest of the game for him too.

But since he seems to have changed the settings, maybe it's not to far off that he might have changed game speed to fast too.
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Not for me. The Italiatopgames video has no PP marker at any point for me, for the Barca player, at the end, beginning, or middle.
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
@ Nick,

Not to mention the fact that there would be murder if Liverpool win the league and they have a sodding BLUE RIBBON ON THE F*&ING TROPHY!!!

See, it's things like that which really make you wonder if they GET football.
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:P Yep, that would go down well...

Is it just me or does the ball look flat all the time, there seems little bounce or reaction to the pitch, it's all billiard table top again?...
 
PC version is actually presented behind close doors but is on showfloor
according to Rutter and Ian Jarvis is also at Gamescom to present the
PC Version. If there is any new news about it, I will definitly post it
in the PC thread ;)
 
TikTikTikTikTik said:
@ Nick,

Not to mention the fact that there would be murder if Liverpool win the league and they have a sodding BLUE RIBBON ON THE F*&ING TROPHY!!!

See, it's things like that which really make you wonder if they GET football.

As for the video's, putting them on full screen makes the tempo look better. However the speed with which Messi can turn with the ball when recieving a pass is ridiculous, you can barely see the animation its so fast.

If they really wanted to show od the game, they should have picked teams that have a good balance of skill and cloggers, Liverpool are one team, Bayern are probably another, Inter Milan, maybe Athletico. Barca especially are a team of very similar players.

You would, and something I'm expecting, is that P+ just doesn't come across in video's, in the same way it doesn't in PES.
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I agree fully there.

Hopefully we get some better vids (and more of them) trickling in. Looks like they're playing the demo that we will get on the 16th..

EA really need to buck up their ideas. Konami have been pasting them all year and that game (while still behind visually) looks like it plays a very good game of footy. Right now I'd love to see what Konami would do with the license.

With regard to defenders and pressuring. It's not rocket science. PES has been doing it right for years. Even the shite ones. Just have the defenders shimmy into space to cover gaps once the player has de-selected them. Make the better defenders better at intercepting and that way you get more interceptions and deflected throughballs to the the keeper. You then have no need for defenders to come screaming out of position ruining the shape of the team. Overall though EA's AI for defenders react very slowly to danger and when they do react they rarely go goalside of the attacker leading to many 1 v 1s. If I can see that surely someone @ EA can?

On the flipside the attackers should be desperately trying to fins space between the lines. Opposition midfield should not have vaccum tackles and clairvoyance.
 
Adam confirmed via twitter apparently that EA have sped up the game again since he last played it (when it was perfectly paced). He also says the player face textures aren't too good on (playing the Playstation version).

Meanwhile PES is launching before FIFA11 I hear. EA are in for a world of hurt this year. Worst marketing for a game ever? It won't effect EA's wallets but i'm pretty sure they'll lose plenty of mindshare with the fans for basically hiding the game for months, touting Pro Passing and -then on the big reveal- we see attacks being built from 3 passes and players running around like benny hill. Wow.

Get onto the producers Romag! We need answers! Where's pro passing?
 
adam twit:
best part of FIFA 11 was the way R2 button shields the ball in various way depending on pressure, and how skillful your player is..

So FIFA 11 at 50% was super slow compared to Gamescom code. Also, PS3 version looked horrid compared to 360 (as always)..

To reiterate, FIFA 11 code on the show floor felt familiar to WC. Some nice improvements on that, but let down by game speed and pressure..
 
game over: http://yfrog.com/g0yaij

:lol:

Seriously though, epic fail if Pro Passing has no effect with top teams. May as well have spent the year on holiday and had the art team just photoscan every player in the world.
 
For God's sake EA. What the fuck are they doing. I simply cannot believe what I'm seeing/hearing. I could (well I couldn't) cry. They seem so backwards. So fucking backwards.

Why would they fucking speed the game up? EVERY SINGLE time. They claimed that when the people played it in Vancouver they asked for a show of hands for people who thought the speed was OK, and everyone said it was, SO WHY THE FUCKING HELL WOULD THEY DO THIS.

So livid. If this game plays like those videos on the 23rd....

Meanwhile PES is launching before FIFA11 I hear. EA are in for a world of hurt this year. Worst marketing for a game ever? It won't effect EA's wallets but i'm pretty sure they'll lose plenty of mindshare with the fans for basically hiding the game for months, touting Pro Passing and -then on the big reveal- we see attacks being built from 3 passes and players running around like benny hill. Wow.
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It's not bad marketing, it's bad development. If this game looked great now, Konami would be the ones in for the hurt - this marketing would work if the game was looking as it should. It's that simple. Pro Passing and Personality+ were, on the face of it, just what this game needed. They have time to solve this. If they don't, EA -will- be in a world of hurt.
 
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