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FIFA 10 360/PS3 Demo Feedback + Videos

One thing I must top my hat to PES for, goal replays, half time/full time highlights, piss on Fifa from a very great height, goal replays show loads of the build up which is really nice, half time/full time highlights show the goals with full buildup, then the celebration, then a quick glimpse again of the final shot/header that was the goal, really nice, Fifa still has that nasty habit of ignoring all of your 50 yard freekicks that shatter the crossbar and instead show you two dribble crosses the keeper easily catches.......
 
PES has better graphics, replays, celebrations and cut scenes. Fifa is better at everything else.

I see PES 2010 as a transitional year, I think 2011 will be a lot better. I may get PES 2010 second hand, but that's it though.
 
Slobber said:
PES has better graphics, replays, celebrations and cut scenes. Fifa is better at everything else.

I see PES 2010 as a transitional year, I think 2011 will be a lot better. I may get PES 2010 second hand, but that's it though.
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2008 and 2009 have both been called 'transitional' - cannot carry on like this, sooner or later we have to accept that this is their next-gen attempt and its getting worse.

Hoping the full game improves a bit from the demo, that is all that can save PES from a FIFA whitewash IMO.
 
To very briefly sum up my feeling about PES v FIFA this year.

PES > FIFA in:
Player switching
Celebrations
Cutscenes
Keepers (maybe if they are patched in FIFA this will change)
Assisted passing (still too easy in FIFA)
Long range shooting
Headers/volleys in the box

FIFA > PES in:
Everything else.
 
Still like 1-touch play in PES5, it does what it's supposed to do which is speed up the passage of play. It's weird in 2010 because the pace of the game doesn't seem to pick up much when you try to initiate.
 
I agree with Rob, but I would also add the following things that for me are still better in PES:

1. Player models - they are all in proper proportion and the faces/hair are very realistic. At present the FIFA players look a little stretched and stilty from a distance (Henry looks as tall as Crouch for example and that aeroplane celebration with the dislocated elbows you can do by holding down on the right analogue stick turns my stomach every time along with the hands and scary faces).
2. Shirts that's don't distort including the numbers (not the shorts though, good God NO!!)
3. The feel of the weight of the ball and the 'oomph' in the shooting.
4. Tactical side of PES and player individuality/team chemistry which really adds to the overall feel of teams and players.

FIFA realistically wins hands-down in every other area. FIFA is getting better at 3 and 4, but I feel 1 and 2 won't see a drastic change in the future purely because of the way the animations are implemented and tied in to the current player models.
 
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FIFA has never gotten the kits or faces quite right.

BTW, have I figured out the dribbling? Messi, Iniesta, and Henry can move at sharp angles with just LT, and I sprint out with RT. With Zlatan and Xavi, I use the skilled dribble and RT and that is enough to give me the space I need.

Also I can defend just fine with running jockey, assuming I'm not out of position.
 
tc811 said:
Still like 1-touch play in PES5, it does what it's supposed to do which is speed up the passage of play. It's weird in 2010 because the pace of the game doesn't seem to pick up much when you try to initiate.
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One touch passing in PES5 was great... it would speed up the play but wasn't really easy to do as the ball would start bouncing around and get harder and harder to pass/control accurately so you had to wait until your players were in good positions rather than just being able to mash the pass button like you could in FIFA 09.
In FIFA 10 it's more difficult, but I can still see it being an overly effective tactic online (as well as double sprint-pressuring).

mjsmith2k said:
I agree with Rob, but I would also add the following things that for me are still better in PES:

1. Player models - they are all in proper proportion and the faces/hair are very realistic. At present the FIFA players look a little stretched and stilty from a distance (Henry looks as tall as Crouch for example and that aeroplane celebration with the dislocated elbows you can do by holding down on the right analogue stick turns my stomach every time along with the hands and scary faces).
2. Shirts that's don't distort including the numbers (not the shorts though, good God NO!!)
3. The feel of the weight of the ball and the 'oomph' in the shooting.
4. Tactical side of PES and player individuality/team chemistry which really adds to the overall feel of teams and players.

FIFA realistically wins hands-down in every other area. FIFA is getting better at 3 and 4, but I feel 1 and 2 won't see a drastic change in the future purely because of the way the animations are implemented and tied in to the current player models.
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Yeah those as well, forgot to mention them :).

I hardly ever notice 1 and 2 though in-game, but the player models are very accurate in PES. I agree that the shorts look ridiculous (way too long and don't move).

Number 3 is one of the main things about PES I like, that's sort of what I meant when I said long range shooting, you really feel as if the player has smacked it sometimes in PES... On FIFA all the shots seem to be similar in power, it's just the trajectory that decides whether it goes in.

The tactical slider things in PES are very well done and I hope this sort of depth is achieved in FIFA in the near future... The individuality of players seems to have been dumbed down though, most players seem to control the ball the same way, but when you're Gerrard almost every through ball creates a chance and every shot gets parried...
 
Simply put I'm loving Fifa this year, I think they have improved the gameplay a lot - in a funny kind of way it's gotten more PES-like, in other words it's a lot more playable/responsive now and nowhere near as frustrating as it was...this is going to be controversial for sure but it's actually playable this year - had I only played the PC version of PES this year I'd have said PES has gone the opposite direction to Fifa, but the PS3 version of PES is much better than it's PC counterpart.

Fifa's great this year though. And it does help as a full time Fifa beginner, to have found a difficulty level that's perfect for me regarding optimal challenge/fun ratio.
 
Jamisco23 said:
check this cracker out i scored earlier today.

http://www.easportsfootball.co.uk/media/play/video/9395557
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No disrespect (it's a nice goal) but this and the other vids posted here (and what I've seen in the demo) are what still deep down somehow bother me about the FIFA engine - seems like 90 percent of goals are that same diagonal run + medium-range finish in a corner. There is still a sense of "sameness" to FIFA that I don't feel in PES, even in the horribly-flawed next-gen versions.
 
mjsmith2k said:
I agree with Rob, but I would also add the following things that for me are still better in PES:

1. Player models - they are all in proper proportion and the faces/hair are very realistic. At present the FIFA players look a little stretched and stilty from a distance (Henry looks as tall as Crouch for example and that aeroplane celebration with the dislocated elbows you can do by holding down on the right analogue stick turns my stomach every time along with the hands and scary faces).
2. Shirts that's don't distort including the numbers (not the shorts though, good God NO!!)
3. The feel of the weight of the ball and the 'oomph' in the shooting.
4. Tactical side of PES and player individuality/team chemistry which really adds to the overall feel of teams and players.

FIFA realistically wins hands-down in every other area. FIFA is getting better at 3 and 4, but I feel 1 and 2 won't see a drastic change in the future purely because of the way the animations are implemented and tied in to the current player models.
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Agree completely with your points all points, but have to add my old (admittedly minor) beef of generic keeper kits and name fonts in FIFA.
 
So has anyone defined what 'soul' means in relation to football games and why some say PES has so much of it and Fifa has none, because I really don't understand that concept.
 
Someone a few days ago ripped into Rutter saying Messi never uses his rightfoot and before that it was Van Persie who couldnt shoot with his right foot. I wish people would not do that. Messi scored tonight with a sweet strike with his right foot.
 
Dr Force said:
Bloody hell I'm confused.

Played the demo and thought meh when it first came out, but I'm really warming to it now.

I'm just getting use to pulling in both triggers and using it to take a defender on. It's a bit hit and miss TBH but that's more my skill than the game. I've also found adjusting the camera to my personal taste actually improves the pace of the ball, broadcast V2 with the camera zoomed out slightly and up a tad really gives a realistic experience.

I have the passing on semi because i cannot find the time needed to master manual, but it still feels free. i mentioned earlier that i cannot find how the passes have increased in pace, but having hit a few thumping crossfield balls i can see its got about an extra 10% of pace.

The heading lets it down, but if you time the defenders jump right you can get some distance and power.

The positional sense is very good, often too good for me as i would love to drop a through ball over the defenders head for a chance, but i can only seem to create a chance by intricate pass movements:CONFUSE:

Anyway, i've applied a bit more patience, with more passing from left to right and right to left, going back to go forward and its become quite joy.

I still hate (with a passion) the cut scenes, the way the camera snaps to the shit celebratation mode and the corners are a bit non descript.

I'd love to see some real power on headers from crosses, downward headers where they bounce up over the keeper are so rare, infact i have only scored one in all the FIFA's and they genearlly do not leap with any power and you get this standing jump that loops rather than drives into the net.

Nets are a bit average but this usually changes on the full game, graphics are not improved but i like the crowd reactions.

Penalties are nailed in this game and so is the overall footballing atmosphere, but it still lacks that something (IMO) that I cannot quite indentify.

Anyway I am slowly getting to grips with the potential depth and enjoyment of this game.
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Jamezinho said:
That's exactly how I feel. I'm enjoying both this and the PES demo, but the things I love about Fifa are the things I dislike about PES and vice versa, which is quite frustrating.

The silky smooth and free passing and shooting is definitely this game's strongest point for me. Even on semi-manual, which is what I always use, there is still plenty of scope to misplace passes and mess up shots.
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It missing something but I can't put the finger on it. LMAO.
Come on we all know what you really want to say.

Maybe it's these points..

*Soulless
*Individuality
*Magic
*That feeling
*Lack of control

LOL. What ever that means. ;)
 
I agree with mjsmith's points except that I don't prefer the weight of the ball in PES. FIFA still feels marginally light, yes, but it does get things spot on occasionally. Long balls feel utterly glorious, dipping volleys move perfectly and a lot of the close range passing is just right for me (especially the casually toe poked 5 yard passes, which are so satisfying). The swerve is a bit much on crosses (long passes with swerve are perfect so I don't see whee the disparity came from) but I think the general progress from 09 is very pleasing. Indeed the deflections are jaw dropping.

PES's ball physics are an odd one. You feel more heft in the ball and in each pass, which is probably why people enjoy screamers more - a heavier ball implies more power in a fast shot. However for me the weight of the ball is now ridiculous. The ball feels less like a leather outer encasing a rubber bag of air, and more like a metal outer encasing a leather bag of bricks.

Footballs are now very flighty with fewer stitched panels increasing the movement and speed of the ball through the air. Shots should skew wide when scuffed or float away due to backspin or swerve violently when hit at an angle. FIFA is really getting close to real life in this respect. The swerve and movement of the ball in PES is muted by comparison, less susceptible to the nuances of fluid physics due to it's exaggerated weight.

I do see benefits in making the ball slightly heavier than real life and making sure every touch of the ball has some sound associated with it, but for me PES has taken those ideas too far and it only adds to the general immobility of the game. I do hope EA happened to fit in a few more grams of weight in their footballs for the full release, but from the demos my lasting impressions of the ball physics was that one was far closer to 21st century reality than the other, which was rather set in the Bobby Charlton days.
 
vondave said:
One thing IMO the other game has right is celebrations.

I hate after scoring a peach on FIFA a split second later its you controllnig a celebration. Much rather have a second or two of Euphoria then the players actual celebration, in game or cut-scene, with maybea a couple of variances, and one for a last minute winner/equalizer, or getting the ball back for kick-off etc

So does anyone actually give a damn about these controlled celebrations? After scoring a goal, I want to relax and savour it, not run about like a dick, then do a robot by accident.
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Hell yeah I care about them. Playing online and using those celebrations as a wind up to those people that use dream teams is awesome. What I want them to add is group celebrations (ie. Score a late winner and your teammates in BAP will run down the length of the pitch to mob you.) and the goal celebration cutscenes to be in game like PES so that Bojan and Iniesta don't appear the same size as Ibrahimovic.
 
Slobber said:
PES has better graphics, replays, celebrations and cut scenes. Fifa is better at everything else.
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Graphics: Not by much. Kit's, Stadium,Lighting.Yes. Faces. No. Grass. Both are meh.

The other stuff yeah.

I see PES 2010 as a transitional year, I think 2011 will be a lot better. I may get PES 2010 second hand, but that's it though.
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How can PES get any better? It's still using a PS2 engine for fuck's sake. That's why year after year you've seen not much new gameplay wise. Konami are done this generation if they continue to keep the outdated engine. And then even if they want to make a new engine the first year of it will be shit just like FIFA 07 was. Either way Konami are screwed for not thinking ahead like EA when they made a new engine for this generation. Or maybe Konami doesn't have the money to do so. I don't know.
 
Disqo said:
So has anyone defined what 'soul' means in relation to football games and why some say PES has so much of it and Fifa has none, because I really don't understand that concept.
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It's just another one of those words PES fans say when they really don't have anything concrete to say about FIFA.
 
BonDage, re: your post about pes you posted in this and the other thread...I agree with you 150%. Exactly how I feel. IMO, it should be called "pro regression evolution".
 
I think 'soul' is used when people struggle to come to terms with this not being PES. It has evolved from a different family tree and those PES players don't have that affinity with the FIFA series that they do with PES. I think they are confusing their familiarity with PES and the controls to achieve certain ends, as opposed to FIFA which hasn't had the benefit of years of their playtime and understanding of how to achieve what, with soul. Much like the individualism argument, if the player doesn't know how to get the most out of the gameplay then he or she won't be able tobring the soul out of the game .
 
romagnoli said:
I think 'soul' is used when people struggle to come to terms with this not being PES. It has evolved from a different family tree and those PES players don't have that affinity with the FIFA series that they do with PES. I think they are confusing their familiarity with PES and the controls to achieve certain ends, as opposed to FIFA which hasn't had the benefit of years of their playtime and understanding of how to achieve what, with soul. Much like the individualism argument, if the player doesn't know how to get the most out of the gameplay then he or she won't be able tobring the soul out of the game .
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So FIFA in the end is way to complex for PES fans. Which is why they go on and on about individuality because they want the player to perform moves automatically.
 
You aren't going to change their minds by psycho-analysing them. If they prefer PES, they prefer PES, for whatever reason. Good for them. In the circumstances maybe this thread should try to act a little better?
 
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